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What new brews have you been trying? I just had my first Sinebrychoff (Koff) Porter IV, a Finnish beer, and my first taste of Scandinavian darks. It's quite nice, remarkably smooth and drinkable for a dark with 7.2% alc content. Almost a dark chocolate flavour but not in a chocolate stout way and not with any lingering bitterness.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 01:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Last night I drank a Widmeyer Hefeweizen, which I found meh, and a Maresdous 8, which was very tasty in the tradition of tasty Belgian strong ales. A bit on the sweeter side of what I like but not over the line.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'll keep an eye out for that. I've been meaning to start exploring Belgian beers. I was putting it off till I'd tried every English stout but I should probably start sooner.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's almost summer! Time to put the stouts away!

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I had something called Sunset Wheat the other night which tasted like orange and was surprisingly good considering that fact.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

nooooooooooooooooo!!!

(I'm assuming you're talking about Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat, which I declared a vendetta against because it is the single least-pleasant beer I have ever had)

bernard snowy, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

sundar iirc you are in OTT or MTL? where are you getting these amazing beers from in whichever of those two cities you're in?

if you are from neither of those places i apologize, i just remember you saying it once or something. i may be making it up.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm from Ottawa (and lived in Mtl 2001-2002) but I've been living in Buffalo NY for almost 2 years now.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Where exactly?

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

BTW if near West Flanders: Should have tried the Brugse Zot!

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

(I would imagine that at least Mtl should have good places for this? I couldn't help you though. I drank Colt 45 from the dep when I lived there. Ah, callow youth.)

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

To be fair, I haven't really looked past my local deps, but the few bars I've found that have bigger selections were pretty disappointing... one place that was recommended highly as a place with a bunch of beers had that greek beer whose name I forget as the rarest one. mythos?

i'll have to check ch0whound or something.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Let me know if you find (or have had) Dieu du Ciel Aphrodisiaque. The ratebeer.com folks rank it as the best sweet stout on earth but I haven't found any around here.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

yes. mythos. it's not bad!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

I think I am going to drop by Dieu du Ciel tonight, actually. Everything they have is actually to a pretty high standard... the reason you probably haven't found it is because they aren't actually bottling any of their brews yet. Apparently they're opening another brewery north of the city though, and they're going to start bottling there! I can't remember where I heard that. I read it today after doing a bit of ch0whound research. I will see if I can talk to the owners or something tonight (I'm going early so hopefully the place will be near empty, I'm not much of one for the crowd there). I've not had the aphrodisiaque, don't know if it's "in season" (they only brew most things a couple times a year), but if they have it I'll give you a review!

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 18:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

Where exactly?

Brussels. and Paris, but that's obviously not in Belgium. May I also suggest that if you do go to France and decide to try the local brews, Kronenbourg tastes like piss. stay away.

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've developed a fondness for Zywiec lately - I don't even usually like lagers much but it's so smooth and tasty. Perfect warm weather beer.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 00:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

it is. and that red-temperature indicator on the back is key!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 01:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

König Ludwig Weissbier is majorly tasty, if a bit pricey.

I recently tried this weird Belgian beer, "La Chouffe." Unpasteurized, 8% and quite good. (Although the floaty yeast cultures were somewhat of a turn-off)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I've had La Chouffe - very nice. There are so many good belgian beers it's amazing.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

I just remembered I have a beer question:

In Mexico I tried Bohemia (regular, not dark) and it was fantastic - at the moment I thought it was one of the best beers I'd ever tried.

Recently I tried some Bohemia in a U.S. Mexican place and it was meh. Is it possible I was getting a different "export" version, or that the transit did something to the beer?

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

Man...I have had so much "skunky" imported beer, could that be it?

On a related note, what do you do when your beer is obviously off and you've already drank a couple? Can you take the rest back to the store.?

;)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Oh yeah, I went back to Dieu, but no Aphro... was available. I didn't get a chance to ask when/if it was coming back... next time! Maybe I'll go tonight, I would like to dig into my new book and my house smells like cat piss and I am not currently poor.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh man! I didn't see that you guys were talking about Biere D'Achouffe. I thought it was a Quebecois beer for so long! True story. Apparently the first place they started exporting to was Quebec! It is very delicious. I don't remember finding any little floaters, though...

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 19:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Response from Dieu du Ciel to two questions I asked via e-mail:

Hello Will,

Thanks you for your comments. It is much appreciated.

1-) We brew the Aphrodisiaque only 2 or 3 times a year. The next batch
will probably be avaible something like next september.

2-) Yes, it's true, we are in the process of building up a bottling
plant in St-Jérôme. There will also be a pub there. We hope to be able
to sell our first bottles at the end of July.

Cheers!
[dude's name removed by me]

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 21:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

currently - harviestoun Butter and Twisted is amazinhg, but we've just come back from North East France (ie very near the Belgian border and lots of Flemish beer-making tradition) and have been loving L'angelus which is beer's swankiest bottle I fear, gold foil and everything. Also Maredsous, Amadeus (lemon flavoured, should be wrong but oh so right) and god's own beer - Orval.

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

erm that's bitter and twisted of course

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

When alcohol content is shown on U.S. beer, it is often labelled by weight. Since alcohol is lighter than water, this can leave the mistaken impression that U.S. beer has much less alcohol, on average, than Canadian beer. A 3.2% beer in the U.S. (by weight) would be equivalent to a 4% beer in Canada (by volume).

Wikipedia I LOVE YOU. Did anyone know this? It boggles the mind! WHY?!

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

let's have a sesh

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

link?

dan m, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

my girl friend brought me a 6 pack of Hitachino Nest White Ale. Pretty good stuff. nice floral aromas ,perfect for a hot summer day. i think it's kind of pricey though

carne asada, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

link, sorry: Canadian Beer

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Apparently they have Aphrodisiaque in now. And I'm destitute poor and going away for the weekend! NOOOOO!

Will M., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:50 (ten years ago) Permalink

Recommend some beer. Not too heavy, not too wheaty, crisp and refreshing in the style of Tsing Tsao or similar.

Also recommend some beers like Paulaner or the white Kronenberg with the fruity taste whose name escapes me.

I am in the mood for trying different beers.

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

Dude, Zywiec

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

(re: light, crisp, refreshing, not wheaty)

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

I was at the nashville beer fest and the best thing there was a homebrewed bock that they ran out of by my second go-round. After a while though all you care about is that the beer is cold, because it's nearly august, and you're outdoors in nashville.

I think I might have talked my dad into getting a 30-gallon kit from Boot Lager. (ha ha, "boot lager")

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

I also finally made myself a michelada with a little kosher salt on top of a can of tecate with a lime in it. not half bad, if you don't mind a bit of foamy foam foam.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

Sundar, have you tried Flying Bison? I can't quite remember which bars serve it (I think the Ulrich's, but they have closed, I think). I miss it dearly.

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

I swore by Aviator Red (which you can get at Wegman's) for a while. I still think it's good but have gone off it a bit. Are there other good FB beers?

I wanted to make it to Dieu du Ciel when I visited Mtl earlier in the month but couldn't make it. Drank a lot of St-Ambroise (and some nice micro wheats) instead.

Sundar, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:49 (ten years ago) Permalink

They have seasonal beers (which I can remember the name of), that friends would bring me in growlers. I never managed to locate the brewery, which apparently is on the West Side (on Niagara, maybe?). Anyway, I remember enjoying the summer and winter ales quite a bit.

Available in Wegmans!? Ahh! This was not so when I lived there! I love you, Wegmans!

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Dude, Zywiec"

One of the benefits of my area of London filling up with large numbers of young eastern Europeans is the availablity in the cornershops of excellent Polish beers at ridiculously cheap prices.

Zywiec is one of the better ones, at about £1 a bottle. The dark lagers especailly are a revelation.

bham, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

Saku from Estonia is pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

Saku or Saku Kuld, anyway. The dark variety has that soy saucey aftertaste I can't get with.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

is this a joke? heh...I don't get it if so. is it that unusual that I ask about trying new beers?

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

I had a Saku Porter that had a weird aftertaste, that was probably the same one.

Wheats: Last night I was drinking Sprecher Hefe Weiss, which was all right.
Non-Wheats: Last night I was also drinking New Holland Mad Hatter, which was goddamn awesome.

dan m, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

I guess I am in the dark :/ I thought you were still teetotalling because of your stuffed-upedness-in-the-cabesa.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

we have flats of Pseudo Sue at Costco here

mh, Thursday, 5 October 2017 22:04 (one month ago) Permalink

The problem with Psuedo Sue is that a cannery in Florida contract brews it and then the cans get stuck in distribution centers for weeks and the beer is good but totally inferior to the bombers available at the brewery or around Iowa (did a side by side earlier this year).

Two Hearted has this amazing balance of floral bouquet on the nose and bitter hops and sticky maltiness on the finish.

Jai Alai is not worth the effort of tracking down for me, feel like a hundred breweries make that same beer, as fine as it is.

All Day is whatever. Probably best drank as a flavorful substitute when nothing else is available except adjunct lagers.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 5 October 2017 22:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Somewhere way the fuck upthread is me extolling the greatness of Two Hearted. Still my favorite beer even though I don't buy it a lot anymore.

Picked up Indeed's Fresh Hop PA last night on the way home. It was canned in the morning and in my fridge by 6. Very good but it could have used a little more booze imho (4.9%).

I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:50 (one month ago) Permalink

i saw that on the shelf just now but the light body put me off. got a 4 pack of surly wet instead, quite delicious

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:58 (one month ago) Permalink

we couldn't get Bells down here in the Confederacy until a few years ago.

Must admit I am a bit let down by Jai Alai but it's the best beer from Florida.

Gotta admit that the IPA thing is kind of out of control, there are way too many but the upside is that the localization makes it fun to do taste tests when traveling.

Why is it that double IPAs usually disappoint?

Randall Jarrell (dandydonweiner), Friday, 6 October 2017 01:59 (one month ago) Permalink

two hearted would join the extremely short list of shelf ipas i bother with if it were distributed here.

call all destroyer, Friday, 6 October 2017 03:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Sierra Northern Hemisphere is very nice

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 21:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Darkness Day was surprisingly laid back! No hassle to get in, quickly moving lines for food and drink, and I bought a couple of bottles and could have had more if I had felt like dropping the cash. After the hell stories I've heard about Dark Lord Day and the like, it was positively refreshing.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 22 October 2017 19:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

just found out my neighborhood bar/restaurant has a tuesday special: 20oz of Bell’s Two Hearted for $5

mh, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 23:49 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Greenpoint ‘how austere’
Sick to death of these kinds of names, but this is a cross between a stout and a sour. You can kind of taste whichever you’d like but the other one finishes.

calstars, Sunday, 29 October 2017 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Celebration Ale is out! And snagged some Backwoods Bastard, just cracked one. good chilly sunday beer roster

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 29 October 2017 19:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

love Celebration Ale !

i would totally try this https://twitter.com/Gansettbeer/status/926109148651061248

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 2 November 2017 15:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

fuck treehouse is great, bit of hyperbole but i feel like why ever buy other beer eh?

johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 November 2017 03:48 (one week ago) Permalink

welcome to my world dude. i live abt 30 minutes away now and my beer stock is never less than 80% treehouse.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 9 November 2017 04:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Hate both of you tbqh

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 9 November 2017 05:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I've only had Green and Haze, a couple of years ago. Would like to try more. I couldn't imagine just buying on breweries beer all the time tho, just isn't one that would provide me everything I need around here.

Jeff, Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:38 (one week ago) Permalink

yea im 45 min away, contemplating an xtra fridge

johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:31 (one week ago) Permalink

November around here is beer insane. Festival of Barrel Aged Beer this weekend, Revolution releasing Deth’s Tar/Cafe Deth/ Deth by Cherries (13% barrel aged beer in 12 ounce cans), Abraxas release, bourbon county release, Half Acre Benthic release, etc. Wallet takes quite the hit.

Jeff, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Intended to buy fries but got the sour instead

calstars, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Out of nowhere I got two bottles of Black Note on the way home this afternoon, enjoying one now and saving the other for a special occasion. I've been drinking Bell's products for 20 years and this is the first time I've had it. It's basically the most balanced BBA stout I've tasted, not as balls out as BCBS but definitely a more barrel/bourbon flavor present than say Dragon's Milk. Great body too. I wish there were more than two bottles left at my local! Gonna have to lurk and see if they put out any more…

I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 10 November 2017 23:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Love Black Note.

Jeff, Friday, 10 November 2017 23:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Black Note's been a tough one to find.

I have a ton of stuff I've collectedhoardedaccumulated, and now I don't know what to do with it. That's the downside of these huge beers. I just can't seem to make a dent.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:19 (one week ago) Permalink

I've loved everything I've had from 18th Street and Noon Whistle these days. I keep drinking that stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I have a ton of stuff I've collectedhoardedaccumulated, and now I don't know what to do with it. That's the downside of these huge beers. I just can't seem to make a dent.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, November 10, 2017 8:19 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am really limiting my purchase of ageable beers these days b/c i never really find the occasion to drink them.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:12 (one week ago) Permalink

I've made a huge dent in my beer, didn't buy anything unless I was going to drink it within a few days. Pulling vintages every week for no reason at all. Probably down to 30 to 40 bottles? BCBS will up that a little bit, but that is always worth it.

Jeff, Saturday, 11 November 2017 11:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Peak Evergreen anyone?

calstars, Saturday, 11 November 2017 20:45 (one week ago) Permalink

This thread should probably be segregated into east coast / Midwest / west coast
Not that Ilx has that many posters thoうgh

calstars, Saturday, 11 November 2017 21:12 (one week ago) Permalink

I've made a dent in my little beer collection. Moving helped, I basically drank/shared all the large format bottles before packing. I do have 4 year verticals of KBS and Backwoods Bastard, and I've got 2 year verticals going of Central Waters' BBA stout, barleywine, quad, and scotch ale. I might drink the Founders during Tgiving and/or Xmastime, but I'm tempted to keep them going for one more year. I'll probably keep the CW going for a while.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:37 (six days ago) Permalink

Peak Evergreen IPA

calstars, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:41 (six days ago) Permalink

Dan that sounds like a plan
Favorite pastime while drinking?

calstars, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:42 (six days ago) Permalink

I did FOBAB all wrong last night, drank way too much. Most everything was awesome, but it all blends together once you’ve sampled 40 different beers.

Jeff, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:42 (six days ago) Permalink

That was my feeling a year or two ago, especially with those beers.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:44 (six days ago) Permalink

xp Did you get to try Upper Hand? Their BA stuff is draft only and I've never been able to find it.

My favorite drinking pastime is thinking about drinking more.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 12 November 2017 20:45 (six days ago) Permalink

my craft beer consumption has gone up lately and i've been noticing how shit most of them are

so now i mix it up with non-NA macrobrewed beers that i've never had. quite pleased by german and belgian beers

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 13 November 2017 03:07 (five days ago) Permalink

Had my second Death By Coconut (Oskar Blues) this weekend, having been blown away by it two years ago. First sip, couldn’t tell if it was cartoonishly intense, and then it won me over.

Had another coconut stout in Milwaukee a few weeks ago (Good City), and I think I just really dig this style.

... (Eazy), Monday, 13 November 2017 03:37 (five days ago) Permalink

I like it a lot, too. It and Stone's Xocoveza are my two go-to easy drinking seasonal dessert-y porters/stouts.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 November 2017 13:56 (five days ago) Permalink

(And by easy drinking, I mean easier than some barrel aged monsters with significantly higher ABV).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 November 2017 13:56 (five days ago) Permalink

had some beers from Great Divide. they were ok.

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 14:52 (five days ago) Permalink

For holiday beers, Puyallup River's Mexican Milkshake is delicious. Has a nice body, and the ghost pepper heat pleasantly balances with the Mexican chocolate spices. Unfortunately, no brewery/pub presence to visit. Tried some at multi-tap Beer Star.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:39 (five days ago) Permalink

bell's winter white ale is really good. nice to have a holiday/winter ale that isn't gross syrupy nutmeg/cinnamon/vanilla dreck

marcos, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:41 (five days ago) Permalink

going to go out on a limb and feel free to judge me for crowdsourcing my beer request, but of the beers on tap here, is there anything in particular that's not missable? this place rotates taps often:
http://elbaitshop.com/beer-menu/

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:42 (five days ago) Permalink

damn 212 taps? overwhelming

marcos, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:43 (five days ago) Permalink

there's another restaurant with 118 beers on tap that is _only_ Iowa beers, it's ridiculous

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:50 (five days ago) Permalink

Quick 2 minute list:
Anchorage Nelson Sauvin Saison
Bell's Expedition Stout
Bell's Two Hearted Ale
Boon Oude Kriek
Firestone Walker Pivo Hoppy Pils
Founders Breakfast Stout
Left Hand Milk Stout Nitro (never had this variant of it either but would be tempted: Left Hand Bittersweet Imperial Coffee Milk Stout Nitro)
Libertine Summer Breeze
Mikkeller Hallo Ich Bin Berliner Weisse Raspberry
North Coast Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout
Oud Beersel Oude Geuze
Pulpit Rock/Single Speed Coconut Migration
Sierra Nevada Celebration IPA
Stillwater Gose Gone Hopped
Surly Abrasive
Surly Todd The Axe Man
Toppling Goliath Pseudo Sue

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 November 2017 18:57 (five days ago) Permalink

much obliged

I've had about half of those, will consider the others

mh, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:58 (five days ago) Permalink

Of the stuff I’ve had, I would get the Avery Amicitia, CW BB Scotch ale, Breakfast stout. Of the stuff I haven’t had, I’d probably start with the Crooked Stave stuff, I’ve liked a lot by them and can’t get them frequently. Other than that, I’d just pick random locals.

Jeff, Monday, 13 November 2017 18:58 (five days ago) Permalink

They are an untappd verified venue, so I would take the app, look at their whole menu and sort by rating. Just go down and get what I haven’t had.

Jeff, Monday, 13 November 2017 19:00 (five days ago) Permalink

Twin Cities beer scene seems to be blowing up for Fair State Spirit Foul and Insight Terror Bear tonight. Only had the former, it's good, but prices are kinda out of whack with reality.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 16 November 2017 02:48 (two days ago) Permalink

When in Georgia, it's worth picking up a sixer of Terrapin's Golden Ale. That stuff was good.

earlnash, Thursday, 16 November 2017 04:48 (two days ago) Permalink


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