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What new brews have you been trying? I just had my first Sinebrychoff (Koff) Porter IV, a Finnish beer, and my first taste of Scandinavian darks. It's quite nice, remarkably smooth and drinkable for a dark with 7.2% alc content. Almost a dark chocolate flavour but not in a chocolate stout way and not with any lingering bitterness.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 01:00 (twelve years ago) link

Last night I drank a Widmeyer Hefeweizen, which I found meh, and a Maresdous 8, which was very tasty in the tradition of tasty Belgian strong ales. A bit on the sweeter side of what I like but not over the line.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, I'll keep an eye out for that. I've been meaning to start exploring Belgian beers. I was putting it off till I'd tried every English stout but I should probably start sooner.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:25 (twelve years ago) link

It's almost summer! Time to put the stouts away!

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah, I had something called Sunset Wheat the other night which tasted like orange and was surprisingly good considering that fact.

Hurting 2, Monday, 28 May 2007 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

nooooooooooooooooo!!!

(I'm assuming you're talking about Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat, which I declared a vendetta against because it is the single least-pleasant beer I have ever had)

bernard snowy, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:04 (twelve years ago) link

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

sundar iirc you are in OTT or MTL? where are you getting these amazing beers from in whichever of those two cities you're in?

if you are from neither of those places i apologize, i just remember you saying it once or something. i may be making it up.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

I'm from Ottawa (and lived in Mtl 2001-2002) but I've been living in Buffalo NY for almost 2 years now.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

When I was in Belgium last week I totally was rocking all the kriek. But not the Hoegaarden (because that's utterly disgusting). I also had a Trappist (Chimay Bleu) which was pretty intense at 9% ABV

Where exactly?

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

BTW if near West Flanders: Should have tried the Brugse Zot!

nathalie, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

(I would imagine that at least Mtl should have good places for this? I couldn't help you though. I drank Colt 45 from the dep when I lived there. Ah, callow youth.)

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

To be fair, I haven't really looked past my local deps, but the few bars I've found that have bigger selections were pretty disappointing... one place that was recommended highly as a place with a bunch of beers had that greek beer whose name I forget as the rarest one. mythos?

i'll have to check ch0whound or something.

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

Let me know if you find (or have had) Dieu du Ciel Aphrodisiaque. The ratebeer.com folks rank it as the best sweet stout on earth but I haven't found any around here.

Sundar, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

yes. mythos. it's not bad!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

I think I am going to drop by Dieu du Ciel tonight, actually. Everything they have is actually to a pretty high standard... the reason you probably haven't found it is because they aren't actually bottling any of their brews yet. Apparently they're opening another brewery north of the city though, and they're going to start bottling there! I can't remember where I heard that. I read it today after doing a bit of ch0whound research. I will see if I can talk to the owners or something tonight (I'm going early so hopefully the place will be near empty, I'm not much of one for the crowd there). I've not had the aphrodisiaque, don't know if it's "in season" (they only brew most things a couple times a year), but if they have it I'll give you a review!

Will M., Monday, 28 May 2007 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

Where exactly?

Brussels. and Paris, but that's obviously not in Belgium. May I also suggest that if you do go to France and decide to try the local brews, Kronenbourg tastes like piss. stay away.

Stevie D, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

I've developed a fondness for Zywiec lately - I don't even usually like lagers much but it's so smooth and tasty. Perfect warm weather beer.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

it is. and that red-temperature indicator on the back is key!

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

König Ludwig Weissbier is majorly tasty, if a bit pricey.

I recently tried this weird Belgian beer, "La Chouffe." Unpasteurized, 8% and quite good. (Although the floaty yeast cultures were somewhat of a turn-off)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah, I've had La Chouffe - very nice. There are so many good belgian beers it's amazing.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

I just remembered I have a beer question:

In Mexico I tried Bohemia (regular, not dark) and it was fantastic - at the moment I thought it was one of the best beers I'd ever tried.

Recently I tried some Bohemia in a U.S. Mexican place and it was meh. Is it possible I was getting a different "export" version, or that the transit did something to the beer?

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

Man...I have had so much "skunky" imported beer, could that be it?

On a related note, what do you do when your beer is obviously off and you've already drank a couple? Can you take the rest back to the store.?

;)

Michael Servetus, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:23 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Oh yeah, I went back to Dieu, but no Aphro... was available. I didn't get a chance to ask when/if it was coming back... next time! Maybe I'll go tonight, I would like to dig into my new book and my house smells like cat piss and I am not currently poor.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

Oh man! I didn't see that you guys were talking about Biere D'Achouffe. I thought it was a Quebecois beer for so long! True story. Apparently the first place they started exporting to was Quebec! It is very delicious. I don't remember finding any little floaters, though...

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

Response from Dieu du Ciel to two questions I asked via e-mail:

Hello Will,

Thanks you for your comments. It is much appreciated.

1-) We brew the Aphrodisiaque only 2 or 3 times a year. The next batch
will probably be avaible something like next september.

2-) Yes, it's true, we are in the process of building up a bottling
plant in St-Jérôme. There will also be a pub there. We hope to be able
to sell our first bottles at the end of July.

Cheers!
[dude's name removed by me]

Will M., Friday, 15 June 2007 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

currently - harviestoun Butter and Twisted is amazinhg, but we've just come back from North East France (ie very near the Belgian border and lots of Flemish beer-making tradition) and have been loving L'angelus which is beer's swankiest bottle I fear, gold foil and everything. Also Maredsous, Amadeus (lemon flavoured, should be wrong but oh so right) and god's own beer - Orval.

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

erm that's bitter and twisted of course

Porkpie, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

When alcohol content is shown on U.S. beer, it is often labelled by weight. Since alcohol is lighter than water, this can leave the mistaken impression that U.S. beer has much less alcohol, on average, than Canadian beer. A 3.2% beer in the U.S. (by weight) would be equivalent to a 4% beer in Canada (by volume).

Wikipedia I LOVE YOU. Did anyone know this? It boggles the mind! WHY?!

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

let's have a sesh

hstencil, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

link?

dan m, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

my girl friend brought me a 6 pack of Hitachino Nest White Ale. Pretty good stuff. nice floral aromas ,perfect for a hot summer day. i think it's kind of pricey though

carne asada, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/409121525_01915ec7ca.jpg

carne asada, Friday, 22 June 2007 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

link, sorry: Canadian Beer

Will M., Friday, 22 June 2007 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Apparently they have Aphrodisiaque in now. And I'm destitute poor and going away for the weekend! NOOOOO!

Will M., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

Recommend some beer. Not too heavy, not too wheaty, crisp and refreshing in the style of Tsing Tsao or similar.

Also recommend some beers like Paulaner or the white Kronenberg with the fruity taste whose name escapes me.

I am in the mood for trying different beers.

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

Dude, Zywiec

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

(re: light, crisp, refreshing, not wheaty)

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

I was at the nashville beer fest and the best thing there was a homebrewed bock that they ran out of by my second go-round. After a while though all you care about is that the beer is cold, because it's nearly august, and you're outdoors in nashville.

I think I might have talked my dad into getting a 30-gallon kit from Boot Lager. (ha ha, "boot lager")

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

I also finally made myself a michelada with a little kosher salt on top of a can of tecate with a lime in it. not half bad, if you don't mind a bit of foamy foam foam.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:04 (twelve years ago) link

Sundar, have you tried Flying Bison? I can't quite remember which bars serve it (I think the Ulrich's, but they have closed, I think). I miss it dearly.

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

I swore by Aviator Red (which you can get at Wegman's) for a while. I still think it's good but have gone off it a bit. Are there other good FB beers?

I wanted to make it to Dieu du Ciel when I visited Mtl earlier in the month but couldn't make it. Drank a lot of St-Ambroise (and some nice micro wheats) instead.

Sundar, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

They have seasonal beers (which I can remember the name of), that friends would bring me in growlers. I never managed to locate the brewery, which apparently is on the West Side (on Niagara, maybe?). Anyway, I remember enjoying the summer and winter ales quite a bit.

Available in Wegmans!? Ahh! This was not so when I lived there! I love you, Wegmans!

molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

"Dude, Zywiec"

One of the benefits of my area of London filling up with large numbers of young eastern Europeans is the availablity in the cornershops of excellent Polish beers at ridiculously cheap prices.

Zywiec is one of the better ones, at about £1 a bottle. The dark lagers especailly are a revelation.

bham, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

Saku from Estonia is pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

Saku or Saku Kuld, anyway. The dark variety has that soy saucey aftertaste I can't get with.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

Ronan WTF?? This is truly a new era for you!

is this a joke? heh...I don't get it if so. is it that unusual that I ask about trying new beers?

Ronan, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

I had a Saku Porter that had a weird aftertaste, that was probably the same one.

Wheats: Last night I was drinking Sprecher Hefe Weiss, which was all right.
Non-Wheats: Last night I was also drinking New Holland Mad Hatter, which was goddamn awesome.

dan m, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

I guess I am in the dark :/ I thought you were still teetotalling because of your stuffed-upedness-in-the-cabesa.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

Central Waters has several big beers to gladly fill that niche... (although I don't think Backwoods Bastard is a stout, more an old ale/wee heavy?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:40 (three months ago) link

Scotch ale?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:41 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I just guessed at stout.

I'm not sure CW is around here (L.A.). I've liked Boulevard's barrel aged beers, hope they're not racist.

nickn, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:42 (three months ago) link

Their website says Scotch Ale.

nickn, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:44 (three months ago) link

oh if you're in LA try Alesmith's Wee Heavy. Not sure it comes in smaller formats (yet).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:45 (three months ago) link

I just did an impromptu one man show of the excerpt from that deposition. It's amazing.

Yerac, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:46 (three months ago) link

xp: http://alesmith.com/beers/barrel-aged-wee-heavy/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:46 (three months ago) link

xp: lol

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:46 (three months ago) link

There's a glut of barrel aged stouts etc right now, just one of a few reasons (plus price, plus increased production) that KBS sits around.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:49 (three months ago) link

Their lawyers response to the press doesn't seem to help much either

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHarOaYXYAANxSj.png

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 20:50 (three months ago) link

the Michigan beer scene is so bad about this, remember this whole shitshow? https://www.metrotimes.com/table-and-bar/archives/2019/02/13/great-lakes-brewing-news-sexist-parody-starts-brouhaha

probably all beer scenes tbh smh

I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 21:36 (three months ago) link

Lolled hard here

I can't wait for the upcoming release of Founders' I Don't Know If It's Black Ale

— cmitown ... but spooky 👻 (@cmitown) October 22, 2019

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:18 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Was in the store and came across Revolution's latest annual fruity barrel aged stout, Deth by Plums. I'm sure it's good, but I think it was $36 for a 4-pack of 12oz cans, and I just couldn't do it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:10 (three months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Yo, Twin Citians: Pryes' Miraculum IPA w/ Blood Orange is my new favorite beer of the season, just right for Christmastime.

A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:53 (two months ago) link

Anyone else see that Ballast Point, which literally sold for a billion dollars a few years back, just got bought by a tiny Chicago hobby brewery for what I assume was a pittance?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:08 (two months ago) link

excited to try some 3 Floyds Alpha Klaus my buddy is bring me this weekend

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:08 (two months ago) link

Alpha Klaus is one of my favorite porters ever.

I haven't had any Pyres besides their dry stout, which is nice. Will keep an eye out for the blood orange. If it's on draft at my local, even better.

Lately I've been hooked on Central Waters' brut pilsner, and not only because it's on mega sale at my favorite store for what seems like forever.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 23:48 (two months ago) link

Anyone else see that Ballast Point, which literally sold for a billion dollars a few years back, just got bought by a tiny Chicago hobby brewery for what I assume was a pittance?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 11, 2019 5:08 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

supposedly $50-$80M. there's wine money behind it.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 December 2019 00:03 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I read that, and there is bigger money behind it. When I read that Kings and Convicts brewery had an annual output in the hundreds of barrels (iirc), before knowing anything else, I was totally o_O.

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/ballast-point-sold-kings-convicts-wine-group

nickn, Thursday, 12 December 2019 00:22 (two months ago) link

I bought a bottle of Pliny the Elder; I remember walking miles across San Francisco years ago to the one place that had it on tap, and buying a bottle once in Portland because you were limited to only one at a time. But there was a ton of it at a shitty strip mall liquor store in San Diego today. Also there seem to be a ton of 22s here which for some reason isn’t a thing I ever see in Michigan and I have no idea why.

What’s good in San Diego? I know Stone and whatever Ballast Point is now are here but there seem to be a lot of other brewers around as well.

joygoat, Thursday, 12 December 2019 00:50 (two months ago) link

Modern Times is a good place that does many styles of beer very well.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:15 (two months ago) link

A guy at my local liquor shop told me Russian River Brewing expanded their distribution this year. I saw a bunch of their beers including Pliny at a popular local (east bay area) grocery store the other day. It's nice to see it around. It's surprisingly inexpensive for the reputation it has and it is a pretty delicious beer imho.

beard papa, Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:17 (two months ago) link

If you ever get up to Windsor (Sonoma County), you can see why/how they've been able to increase their distribution. Good food and great location as well.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:11 (two months ago) link

90%+ loss of valuation in 4 years pretty much tells you all you need to know. Insane.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 December 2019 02:36 (two months ago) link

re: San Diego, have been wanting to pilgrimage for Stone and Black Plague, so might check the latter. Always curious re: the most known versus the lesser hidden gems in each region. Like for Seattle, would recommend Holy Mountain, Reubens, Dirty Couch, Urban Family, Cloudburst in addition to the more obvious ones.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 13 December 2019 03:24 (two months ago) link

i'm very interested in what happens to ballast point from here. the guys who bought it do not seem like idiots but this industry makes smart people dumb and every common-sense bone in my body says this is not the time to try to figure out a national craft beer brand with a fading reputation.

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2019 04:00 (two months ago) link

Thread of gold

Stay tuned for this up and coming brewery pic.twitter.com/Pt3x6XKGzG

— Worst Beer Blog (@WorstBeerBlog) December 15, 2019

I want to change my display name (dan m), Monday, 16 December 2019 19:51 (two months ago) link

The logo of this place is perfectly awful

I want to change my display name (dan m), Monday, 16 December 2019 19:51 (two months ago) link

Don't need to click on that to realize that finally, we're get an aggressively right wing, overtly racist brewery. 'Bout time, right? Make beer great again!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 December 2019 20:05 (two months ago) link

So Founders is adjusting their PR take?

nickn, Monday, 16 December 2019 21:10 (two months ago) link

Big flight delay --> stuck in SF --> beers at Toronado

I want to change my display name (dan m), Saturday, 21 December 2019 20:55 (two months ago) link

I've heard about that place, any good?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 22 December 2019 00:13 (one month ago) link

Mikkeller in SF is great. So is Cellarmaker if you like IPAs.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, 22 December 2019 00:20 (one month ago) link

Xp yes, cool place with plenty of stuff to try including a crazy rare beer list. Cash only though.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 22 December 2019 02:03 (one month ago) link

That’s the place I walked miles to get a Pliny at

joygoat, Sunday, 22 December 2019 02:09 (one month ago) link

re Pliny, better distro makes sense, my local pub has it on tap rn and I was initially surprised

sleeve, Sunday, 22 December 2019 02:31 (one month ago) link

'sometimes when i'm drinking narragansett, I feel like it has a little too much flavor'
WHAT DAT?

calstars, Friday, 3 January 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

Someone who'd really rather be drinking Bud?

nickn, Friday, 3 January 2020 19:44 (one month ago) link

Toronado was great. Went there when I was in SF specifically to get Pliny on tap since a trip to Russian River wasn't going to be in the cards. Tons of other great stuff to be had and the vibe was nowhere near as tech-broey as some of the other bars we hit up.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 January 2020 20:57 (one month ago) link

Someone who'd really rather be drinking Bud?

SAY NOW?

calstars, Friday, 3 January 2020 21:26 (one month ago) link

"Bud"? Is that one of those new THC infused IPAs?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 January 2020 21:46 (one month ago) link

Is CBS the fastest "white whale" to "clearance aisle at Target" beer we've seen? What a world we live in.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 3 January 2020 22:38 (one month ago) link

Just back from two-ish weeks in New Zealand (see flight delays post above). Pretty vibrant craft scene there, favorites were Emerson's, Good George and Panhead.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:02 (one month ago) link

Seeing months old Founders and Lagunitas IPAs on the store shelves there was pretty lol.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:03 (one month ago) link

i knew a woman who literally followed a delivery truck around cambridge mass c. 2013 so she could buy as much as possible of the annual release of KBS (not even CBS!), a beer that is now available year-round in my whole foods.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:29 (one month ago) link

Wasn't (and isn't) KBS rarer than CBS?

nickn, Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:52 (one month ago) link

never was around here....we got KBS once a year (in march iirc) and went years in between seeing CBS outside of a few draft accounts.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 4 January 2020 01:57 (one month ago) link

Hmm, I thought CBS was just a coffee stout, googling shows it's Canadian whiskey/maple syrup barrel aged. Seems like I've been seeing CBS on the shelves in large quantities for a few years now.

nickn, Saturday, 4 January 2020 02:16 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

I think they must have upped KBS and CBS production significantly, because they linger. There's also a coffee KBS now, I saw.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 26 January 2020 00:28 (three weeks ago) link


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