Irish politics discussion thread

If you compare the rise of Sinn Féin to Trump or Brexit and don't mention that a high profile TD made an impassioned defence of migration and asylum, and got his car burnt out by racists for his trouble, you're a hack. Sorry, thems the rules

— Jack Sheehan (@YuleGoat) February 10, 2020

Stealing both a living and oxygen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQaRLlJX0AAf44p?format=jpg&name=large

Had to google that headline to see if that was real. Of course it is.

papers can find any opinion they want out there- we can, for our part, choose to focus on those they do or not! fuck em, theres actual interesting matters of substance going on imo why give em the radge.

RoI has "succumbed to populism" according to old man Simpson of the BBC!

― calzino, Monday, 10 February 2020 12:05 (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

arguably

well im arguing it

aside from the list above that michael thinks is "all of above" (the question being yes but to what extent for each, and to what extent will it stick beyond "sick of the other two") obviously having an element of populism

- how else does an opposition offer an alternative to the issues that the govt is failing on ffs?-

its not us "succumbing" to it, its us returning to it. ff were and are an unabashedly populist party and sf have just stolen it from their penitent corpse.

theres worse types of populism than "we'll fix housing" like

i can make head nor tail of what the jack sheehan tweet is saying tbh

is it "trump and nationalism are bad, and racists burning cars out is bad, but this isnt that?"

appreciate a steer!

The latter two are driven by racism, you can argue a lot of things against SF but that’s not what motivates their voters. That fella was elected with a booming majority on the first count btw.

Like there’s a lot of morons going on about how this is (lol) anglophobic or wha, which disregards the much messier reality of the situation.

Wouldn't 'republican' be a better descriptor instead of nationalist? (media here have been using the same word btw)

The former is a term with comes with some baggage, not only in Ireland but in the UK.

Picturing Sammy Wilson's face turning a delightful shade of puce at the electoral success of sinnfeinira.

the correct baggage tho?

thks for clarifying, im a bit lost still but not unhappy

RIP Paul Gogarty not getting elected in Dublin mid west

https://youtu.be/ugailEn8U5o

Deputy Stagg not elected in Kildare either

shurely someone can liveblog the counts lads im dying here

Which ones?


Roscommon-Galway Final Result:

Michael Fitzmaurice (Ind)
Denis Naughten (Ind)
Claire Kerrane (SF)

For the first time since the foundation of the state, Sinn Féin have a TD in Roscommon, and neither Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil are represented in the Dáil. #GE2020

Businessman Peter Casey has been eliminated after the third count in Donegal.

He polled 1,143 first preferences (1.7%) and had accumulated 2,132 votes.

Talliers are saying it is hard to predict where he votes will go and they may scatter across all 8 remaining candidates

There are three seats remaining with four outgoing TD's in contention. It is not expected that any will reach the quota.

the one in Dublin was a "protest" run

losing!

NN how goes it

Well

Laois Offaly has completed a fifth count in the counting of ballots, with just Brian Stanley of Sinn Fein so far returned to the next Dail.

But the distribution of Sol PPP's Stephen Tynan's 2273 votes has given a clear indicaton of the destination of the remaining four seats.

Fianna Fail's Sean Fleming and Barry Cowen are each still just over 2400 votes shy of the 11571 quota, but willl be elected. As will Charlie Flanagan of Fine Gael. The outgoing justice minister is on 7821 votes, after the fifth count.

And the final seat now seems almost certainly to be heading Carol Nolan's direction. The Independent candidate is now 2140 clear of Marcella Corcoran Kennedy - a margin that would appear to be too great to be overhauled, considering the politics of those left in the fight.

Counting is set to continue late in to the day, but it is expected the count will be completed today.

he was special alright

well, looks like Dublin South Central (my neck of the woods) is going to have four left wing TDs. Although O'Snodaigh is a dodgy enough cove

still, feels good man

I like the way the guy who thinks the statue of Cromwell outside Parliament annoys “the IRA” has appropriately brain dribbling thoughts about the election.

Ireland joins the whole let's-do-mad-things-at-the-ballot-box-and-make-foreigners-rub-their-eyes-in-disbelief party https://t.co/qSjdYau4II

— Tom Holland (@holland_tom) February 10, 2020

well, looks like Dublin South Central (my neck of the woods) is going to have four left wing TDs. Although O'Snodaigh is a dodgy enough cove

still, feels good man

― Number None, Monday, 10 February 2020 14:24 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

will ya correct me about pringle or is he unheard of north of the median line

is the sf "oo er" foreign coverage focused on paramilitary or syriza type notions or what

either stupid obv but im lookin for the flavour iykwim

The former. Though i suspect many of these people have more of a problem with the leftishness. Esp since there’s a big overlap in the “shitting themselves over Corbyn gulaging them” fantasists and every lazy commentator vomiting out atrocious takes like these.

Wow great result for the Greens

The fourth and final seat in Limerick City has gone to Green candidate Brian Leddin after he received an additional 2,351 transfers from Labour's Jan O'Sullivan on the ninth count.

He is the first Green ever to be elected in Limerick.

It was a neck-and-neck battle for that final seat between him and Independent Frankie Daly, but Brian Leddin edged ahead by just 4 votes on the seventh count, and edged further - by 171 votes - on the eighth count, to finally secure the seat with a margin of 2,351 votes on the ninth count and was deemed elected without reaching the quota.

He said he was thrilled with his victory and it was a big ask, as he is the first Green councillor and now TD ever elected in Limerick.

He said the new Green parliamentary party will meet in Dublin tomorrow to figure out their next move. He said as a serious party they must be serious about going into government but not at all costs.

Independent Verona Murphy elected in Wexford, as Fianna Fáil's Malcolm Byrne loses seat he won in November.

Also elected in Wexford was James Browne of Fianna Fáil and Paul Kehoe of Fine Gael.

not much news from the old sod this weather

parents have fled and only one or two friends hanging on, so my ground-level knowledge is pretty limited

fuckin verona murphy

well, thats a baddun right there

i moved away in 1994, so let be the low bar to beat tbf

How can the Irish people vote for Sinn Fein when I, a Guardian columnist, was once late to a dinner party in Hampstead in April 1992 because a discarded Burger King meal at a tube station was mistaken for a potential explosive device?

— Wolfgang La Rouge (@TreborRhurbarb) February 10, 2020

Last one I promise

Sinn Fein, which combine blood & soil nationalism with Corbynite economics, and have successfully targetted a venerable duopoly in Ireland, seem pretty populist to me.

— Tom Holland (@holland_tom) February 10, 2020

Labour's Alan Kelly and Jackie Cahill of Fianna Fáil have been elected on count 9 in Tipperary where the count is now complete.

Count 4 - Nobody elected.

We still await the next TD but Danny Healy-Rae is edging closer.

Danny Healy-Rae 12,090 - 855 short of quota.

Brendan Griffin 11,261 - 1,684 short.

Norma Foley of Fianna Fail - 7,934.

John Brassil of Fianna Fail - 6,089.

Norma Moriarty (FF) eliminated. Her 4,217 votes will now be distributed.

Carlow/Kilkenny has returned a Green too, as the last of its seats.

xp there's five seats there, plenty of room for two Healy-Ri

And Dublin Central finished:
MARY LOU MCDONALD, SF Count 1
NEASA HOURIGAN, GP Count 9
PASCHAL DONOHOE, FG Count 9
GARY GANNON, SD Count 9

9 seats for the greens is incredible, is there any possibility of another? It’s their best ever performance.

A green could get in in Wicklow (Matthews).

Simon Harris is now on 8,968

Jennifer Whitmore is on 8,208

Steven Mathews is on 6,299

Stephen Donnelly is on 5,781

greens were confident of ten-twelve last night, ive no idea what may have changed

And Dublin Central finished:
MARY LOU MCDONALD, SF Count 1
NEASA HOURIGAN, GP Count 9
PASCHAL DONOHOE, FG Count 9
GARY GANNON, SD Count 9

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 14:59 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats the local for me- ill take that tbh

jesus theres 13 greens still in the runnin?!

unverified and no idea of the chances of any, but thats a brilliant performance with nine already in the bag

xp They're 4th of 5 in Wicklow, with 2 independents to go!
As NN says, they look pretty certain in Dublin South-Central - 3rd of 4
They're 5th of 5 in Dublin South-West, with transfers incoming from Labour, SD, and possibly an independent (though there's a PBP ahead of them that may soak up some of that - and a PBP behind)
Maybe Louth? They're 6th of 5, but 7 and 8 are both FG which is bad news for them.
6th of 5 in Laois-Offaly too, but that looks harder - they'd need about half of the transfers from the independent who's for the hop after next.
6th of 5 in Dublin Bay North, with SD and PBP ahead of them.

https://twitter.com/GarbageApe/status/1226883227358552064?s=20

Dublin South-Central in!

SF - Ó SNODAIGH AENGUS - Count 1
SOL-PBP - SMITH BRÍD - Count 2
GP - COSTELLO PATRICK - Count 6
I4C - COLLINS JOAN - Count 6

congrats to mods for disabling twitter embeds from xyzzzz__, can we get him entirely disabled itt?

They won’t get in in Laois-Offaly but they’ve done well there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQa1p-UX0AMqj34?format=jpg&name=large

PBP candidate with a Connolly badge, you love to see it.

HON THE GREENS

Lol XPs I will have thoughts on Irish politics! Just give a sec

[...] racism, you can argue a lot of things against SF but that’s not what motivates their voters.

Really? None of them? Three weeks ago, a SF councillor was suspended after declaring in a podcast that a ‘family man’ should be running the country, and that Leo Varadkar’s part-Indian heritage means that he is ‘separated from the history of’ Ireland. (His podcast, aptly, is named “No Shame”.)
My experience has always been that those kinds of attitudes are not uncommon in the SF organisation and core vote. Mostly, though, the people they put up for election are smart enough to keep their prejudices hidden.

To give some more context on the Green performance in Laois-Offaly, they didn’t stand candidates there until 2002. Before this election they’d never got more than 800 votes. Now they’ve polled close to 6000 - it’s a great result for them even if they don’t get a seat this time.

xp welcome to Ireland? Given the split to Aontú, idk why it’s a surprise that these views are held by some party members. Or, you know, the 30+% of the country that wanted to keep the 8th.

... you’re right, it’s no surprise at all.

Ó SNODAIGH AENGUS

Could this boy be Irish you think?

hes a

i dont know the man personally mind

fucking cunt

Christ you’d almost miss our usual politics people itt wouldn’t you?