So Sinn Fein is now the largest party in Ireland, while Unionist parties are in the minority in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Get it up ye, Boris.
― (includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link
that covers the essentials def, while certainly covering the personal angle also, irlxpol welcomes gonzo journalism imoi break from the discussion to report that SF transfers, which are enormous in places, have been lifting pbp et al up into contention
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQXjh-rU4AAOWzC?format=jpg&name=largeSF overperformed, FG underperformed the exit poll, FF pretty bang on?!
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link
aps never apologise, i was clarifyin merely because it occurred to me i hadnt really noted (and may not) my full personal reaction itt to events
also as always, and i wont stop saying it, an aps post will be viewed as it ought, in the most positive possible light so please stay stuck in here
fuck theres michael mcgrath in, the first ffer to show signs of pugnacity after the crash, hate him
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link
Yeah I saw a transfer left guide doing the rounds― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:07 (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
saw some controversial fb posts where some sf personalities were seen telling ppl to "vote sf then leave empty" but idk if that was true, or tampered- official message was vote left alright
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link
very useful figure: accumulated transfers from sf
Text version of the latest #surpluswatch - after 13 constituencies, here's where the SF surplus went. #ge2020PBP - 21700IND - 9365SD - 5330GP - 5286FF - 5122I4C - 3646Lab - 3143SF - 2187Aontu - 1900FG - 1887NP - 552RN - 352IFP - 340WP - 299UP - 97NON TRANSFER - 28— Sarah isn't here to debate you. (@froodie) February 9, 2020
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
quick approx count is 60k total if you want to do % analysis
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link
aps never apologise, i was clarifyin merely because it occurred to me i hadnt really noted (and may not) my full personal reaction itt to eventsalso as always, and i wont stop saying it, an aps post will be viewed as it ought, in the most positive possible light so please stay stuck in herefuck theres michael mcgrath in, the first ffer to show signs of pugnacity after the crash, hate him
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
wait did i
shurely not as strongly as ya did yerself anyways wha
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
frankly
that more ppl arent in here in fuckin AWE at the fuckin CRAIC that the count is is a crying shame
do we need to publicise more, or do they maybe not get it yet
i think silby shows promise, have you one you're sponsoring
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
29 sf10 fg10 ff5 ind4 gp2 pbp1 aon1 sd
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
no labour seat yet
change in 2016 1st pref % for sf is +10.7
change including aontu would be well over 12%
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
franklythat more ppl arent in here in fuckin AWE at the fuckin CRAIC that the count is is a crying shamedo we need to publicise more, or do they maybe not get it yeti think silby shows promise, have you one you're sponsoring
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:47 (four years ago) link
greens in line to get ten to twelve
soc dems did well ito first pref but will transfer better than that again
but along with labour, the sheer strangeness of sf eating it up is going to mean that transfers will go to fg/ff in the first instance and trickle down from there, so having selected the right constituencies is going to be maybe even more critical than usual
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:47 (four years ago) link
xp excellent, excellent
Can’t believe I have to say I’m not a provo, what a world. Esp being from a classic FF family as I am & all.
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:48 (four years ago) link
I read Anna Burns’ Man Booker winner Milkman last year which painted a moving and fascinating picture of life during the troubles which as a world-historical event I was too young to be informed of contemporaneously and too recent/off-topic from the high school curriculum for me to have learned about and so between that and Brexit-adjacent sentiments of Scottish antiunionists I took a new interest in the complicated sovereign and colonial history of yon isles which has some parallel resonance to me as a diasporic Jew disinherited from a string of homelands and so the import of the sudden possible accession to government in Ireland of the folks who at least allegedly were latterly keeping a hand in the maintenance of the stockpiles and the safehouses is of no little interest
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
Fucking delighted for the greens btw, what seats?
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
no idea, this is faster than ryder cup matchplay
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:53 (four years ago) link
now fg 12ff 11
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:48 (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
look, a bit of advice
ill get the mods to delete that, and we'll just tell everyone youre a provo maybe?
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
lol as previously established I am neither side of my family’s politics! And I am no’ a grass provo
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:55 (four years ago) link
Greens will surely get in to Fingal on transfers?See a certain loon struggling to poll there, you love to see it.
― hyds (gyac), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
hi silby
its probably not the day to understate the troubles as a factor in day to day politics in the republic, but other than it being something that yeah impacts the way many did consider sf as to their legitimacy as a purely political party and yeah brexit raising some bubbles that all involved would rather stayed submerged, i myself would call it a separate issue
but as it happens, today has been transformational, the entire issue is now open in a probably healthy way, the manner in which it must now be addressed by the other parties will have to consign the snide "whiff of cordite" type first resort comeback to history
and sf for its part may have to take (another- credit ofc for their many steps to this point) step towards the full legitimacy they will have to submit to as a party of govt and very certainly part of the establishment. the cracks about cordite have not always imo been without substance neither.
good news, they only have to be no less legitimate than the parties who've been responsible for irish banks and irish cops and who've covered for the irish church, so the standard aint perfection
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
xp not even the initials, not even thinking them, ive to bless meself now just in case
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:03 (four years ago) link
my god but pat the cope looks powerful good lads, that man built killybegs pier be hand did ye know that
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link
one aspect of my itinerant childhood is that im intimate and interested in a fair few constituencies
i know of thomas pringle and you're as well to elect joe duffy to a seat, hes sliding up and down there after stressing to everyone south of bruckless that the bluestacks to bundoran need a strong independent voice like his
in mayo, north towards ballina mulhern has had an idiosyncratic few years shall we say, hupped into the seanad to keep her current but not frontline after not making it last time, looked frankly dazed beside chambers (more of anon) and saoirse (who was not more coherent than dazed, but as always more engaging) when that trio were showcased on rte live last week
chambers is lagging after fg threw dillon in to make up for an enda-shaped football man gap around ballintubber, chambers herself is a ballyheane woman and both parishes drink in the punch bowl ffs so that was a funny call, she had been heavily involved on brexit and performed credibly, but was up to her neck in the attendance hiccup recently. those two are going to directly battle for the same trough of transfers, and ring was obviously never troubled although for conway walsh to get in on first count was very unexpected- she was a "might get in" and was in fact held to possibly profit from the above fg throatslitting
elsewhere, calleary is likely to get in, and m@nning tallied 67 first preference i think, and none from the island itself
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:14 (four years ago) link
back to you in the studio, claire
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:16 (four years ago) link
dev og might be a decent man about the parish, im sure he is, but hes retrograde ff isnt he, and the dynasty is toxic afaic
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
count 7 in galway, and dev og short by 44 votes to be first elected yet
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link
first actual serious considered call for a 3 party, 1 year brexit and housing national govt
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
That’s an obvious ploy to blunt SF’s moment, not a chance
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
I have been demonstrating (with the help of the RTE site) this to Jen, who's from Scotland, so it's similar but different.
She is impressed, but asked one question that I wasn't sure on - why don't they reduce the quota by the (the right fraction of) the now-unusable votes after each transfer?
I am fairly sure that it makes no difference at all, mind (because if it doesn't get up to the quota then it eventually gets down to the right number of seats).
SF have only two TDs who had to wait for the second count - and one of them was in Dublin Mid West, where the gent in question was waiting on transfers from the SF TD that came in on the first count.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
i am utterly enthralled by this professor emeritus talking us through the stats
like a quiet brian cox character turn
finished with wonderful pathos
"older people dont vote, well"
pause
face glum
look down
sotto voce
"older than me anyway. its hard to get out"
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:36 (forty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
SFs greatest threat is as opposition against a combined FF/FG again, right now FG are looking at FF and as much as eyeing them towards their mate SF, mouthing "your turn this time"
FG have stayed firm all day on not going in with SF
FF stayed firm until yesterday 10:01pm that they werent going in with anyone, today theyve been shouting into letterboxes looking for a dance
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:40 (four years ago) link
they went back to professor he pointed out how stupid it was to ask academics anything, they dont talk to anyone they dont go out and they barely get it right with hindsight, he practically finished by peering out from under his eyebrows and sayin i was told there would be cake
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:42 (four years ago) link
ive no idea AF, re quota
You've to pick a number, as well to stick to it at that stage i guess
carlow looking good for ff for maybe three seats, fg for maybe two, four available
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:45 (four years ago) link
pat spillane, under the stage name of michael o regan, throwing out all manner of his usual windup theories
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link
29 sf12 each the lads
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link
another independent in in limerick county
ahead of an sf, who is excluded
jaysus the streaks fucked
Three available now in Carlow, very hard to see how FG would get two in unless there's a hidden wellspring of personal respect from PBP voters for the position of Deputy Chair of the Fine Gael Parliamentary Party.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link
high profile green saoirse mac of achill island excluded and her votes will essentially decide to a large degree who of mulhern, chambers and dillon get in
calleary looks safe.
apart, ironically, from the third cousin, ive dealt with them all to some degree or another and ring safely in and calleary looking safely in are the worst, mulhern went loopy but was a good councillor once upon a time
bad result for the quality of rep in the county imo
back to ye in the studio brian
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:01 (four years ago) link
heres mayo
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
xp to myself: Implicit in this is that it's the third FG who put the first FF over with 10% of the transfers.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 01:03 (four years ago) link
saoirse's vote distribution v interesting- green party but v independently so, fairly described as more sf leaning there on rte.
mulhern gone
her fg transfers of 7k would do very well to bring dillon up to quota but he'll pass chambers, and the ballina transfers will help calleary but prob not to quota (not that it matters)
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:05 (four years ago) link
xp The transfers there went all over the shop, Brian - Mulherin next for the jump then presumably Chambers?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 01:06 (four years ago) link
idk about carlow, its a bit of a wild one, even under the parties theres a few rebels
idk if transfers follow as expected, theyre all rich farmers sher they all walk the same roads
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
mulherin is gone, theyll be distributing her votes and there will be nothing for chambers so it would be almost impossible to see her stay, rte essentially just dealt with her as gone
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:08 (four years ago) link
tv coverage finito, switching to online coverage
reminder- take two days off after election ffs
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:11 (four years ago) link
It's a sign of our vital electoral gut fauna that Renua haven't been the first eliminated in every constituency, but God they put their best effort in.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 01:13 (four years ago) link