Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

yup, i know, and i generally really like and respect his stuff. i was surprised he would do it like that. maybe part of my annoyance is my disappointment in his participation, which is a pretty immature reaction by me, i suppose.

his interview in maybe december with the author of the history and role of conflict and physical violence in Congress, on his podcast, was so great. the historian has been interviewed now elsewhere/everywhere, but i enjoyed his inquiries and angles the most by far. I still need to get that book....

nothing to see here, it doesn't count cuz they got him first

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/17/us/dallas-police-shooting/index.html

This photographer...:

That might actually be the DMN photographer. The angle lines up. So crazy if it is. pic.twitter.com/TwEru92KbH

— Maleesa Smith (@MaleesaJS) June 17, 2019

you can see what looks like high caliber bullets spraying the bricks above and to the right of the crouching photographer.. that must have been fun!

totally normal day in the USA

Totally normal.

There’s a lot to unpack… pic.twitter.com/JCPbA8U3mF

— Ally Maynard (@missmayn) June 17, 2019

the photo of him outside the courthouse is insane

He took some of the aftermath as well (NSFW):

This how a heavily armed man began a shooting at a federal courthouse in Dallas today, and this is how it ended. Dallas Morning News photographer Tom Fox captured the incident. https://t.co/d8sNQ5P6oo pic.twitter.com/bcf2dXqeJW

— Star Tribune (@StarTribune) June 17, 2019

Is there really no end in sight for these?

I know how that sounds—naive—but really these seem like a kind of sick trend and like they should wind down like other epidemics. The fact they happen more and more is so sickening

It's America. Second amendement (1791! #sadlol). No end in sight.

tough to disagree with this analysis

look at this fucking dork. hey dipshit, youre dead and everybody is digging through your posts and making fun of you. you didnt kill anybody and got domed by a security guard. it rules that you are dead pic.twitter.com/KU22QtPAY4

— BAKOON (@BAKKOOONN) June 17, 2019

idk, the "analysis" - calling him a 'disshit' and 'dork' - seems rather unhelpful and part of the problem? from this side of the ocean at least..

The authors of the US constitution had read their Machiavelli and watched the progress of the Revolutionary War. The Second Amendment made good sense at the time.

It would still make some modicum of sense today, if the NRA and weapons industry had not manipulated gun politics past the point of sense, into socially destructive nonsense, where we find ourselves today.

xp dancing on almost anyone's grave is a bad look. this guy clearly needed some mental help and instead he got killed. it's sad when the best thing you can say about an ongoing national disaster is that at least only one person died and damnable when people post death-by-cops pics for likes

but yeah, everything about that picture is phenomenally depressing; the idiot was carrying a fucking sword for crissakes.

He looks terrified in that picture, and moments later he was dead. But this is a far right wannabe massmurderer, don't sweat it. I'm sure Breivik was nervous as well.

this ain't Nashville, this is Dallas

He looks terrified in that picture, and moments later he was dead. But this is a far right wannabe massmurderer, don't sweat it. I'm sure Breivik was nervous as well.

― Frederik B, Monday, June 17, 2019 11:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't get the analogy? Don't get what you're trying to say tbh

i'm gonna quit so i don't get trenchant or worked up about it but, regardless of what a clearly horrible person this guy was, I can't read anyone posting "lol u ded" on social media as anything more than a poisonous and soul-crushing statement of nihilism and a further expression of the problem.

Completely agree.

He was a fellow human and sufferer and all that, I guess, and it never feels right to gloat at someone’s death, whether it be one of these shooters or bin laden or whoevef. But I have to say, “mental help” seems like it could only be a partial solution for these people. There isn’t like one profile they all match, unfortunately. Doing this is a decision they’re making not an illness they have

again another incident that won't be as discussed as much as it should be, because the shooter fortunately failed. this case could also be held up as an example of why armed guards work (and frankly if everyone is gonna have an AR-15 may as well have armed guards to stop them...)

the "dipshit" insults aren't gonna work as a deterrent, none of the dozens of dudes presently plotting massacres think they'll go out in this manner.

But yeah, mostly ulysses otm. I don’t know the proper attitude toward evil people but devaluing life never feels right to me

(he's not as far as I can tell carrying a sword, though I might have missed something?)

Fuck, Treeship, I really don't know you like this... What would be a good solution for "these people" then?

Damn.

?

xp to treesh, you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED

he's got a scabbard poking out from behind him in that picture and the internet promptly found this:

pic.twitter.com/wolRKk8dNP

— Pretend NOLA (@pretendNOLA) June 17, 2019

sry treesh, got xposts mixed up <3

I guess so. But the far right ones have some ideological motive—they’re more like suicide bombers

Mental illness is a piece—they’re not “well” obviously—but not a cause

just wanna weigh in as another representative from this side of the ocean and note that calling a guy making an assault on a public building with automatic weapons a dipshit is ok

its also ok that hes dead and nobody else is

its not ok that hes dead because of whatever reason drove him to this

its a third-degree 'not ok to be ok with this', at worst a slap on the wrist for anyone calling him a dipshit

i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.

i mean, "mental illness" is an enormous umbrella.

someone with antisocial personality disorder, for instance, has basically the opposite psychological profile of someone with debilitating anxiety but they're both in the dsm you know.

best to keep that umbrella closed then tbf

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_690/fl_lossy,q_auto/190617-weill-shooter-embed-1_qgdxxz

the fuck didn't he shoot up a westboro meet so

Open-carrying of swords is protected in Texas, BTW.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dallas-federal-building-shooter-posted-far-right-memes-about-nazis-and-confederacy

it seems like there are internet subcultures that are actually encouraging this. which--maybe that's "duh"--but i think it's worth acknowledging. seems like a social phenomenon rather than just about individual pathology.

While not inherently political, anime body pillows are

why are anime nerds white supremacists now?

you can repel them with stuff that's inherently political, like the frankfurt school

lol

it's funny cause it's true

i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, June 17, 2019 3:11 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This guy played his own death for laughs! the least we can do is oblige him

you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED

This is question-begging of the worst sort.

Also any prospective mass shooter who doesn't take the time and prep to tape together up-down-up jungle clips is in fact a dipshit.

This guy attempted to kill a lot of people, my main empathetic response is relief that these people are still alive, and concern with how they're dealing with what must still be a very scary and traumatic situation. And concern with the very many people who live in fear of right-wing hate crimes, and how this story must be triggering to them. These are who my empathy immediately go to, and if schadenfreude and cynicism is how people deal with this, then that's pretty ok by me.