British Right-Wing Pundits

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There seems to be lots of threads about US right wing pundits but a cursory search, and searchs for "richard littlejohn" and "melanie phillips" don't bring up much of interest, so erm who are the big players? Littlejohn, Phillips, Simon Heffer? Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts? How do they differ? Do we haves over here a LIBERAL ELITE keeping them down?

erm search / destroy if you want...

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

And then there's Peter Hitchens

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

People forget Clarkson, the man is probably by a fair distance Britain's most "powerful" journalist (and he came up through journo college and the local newspapers like you're meant to as well).

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure The Lex will be along to defend Phillips in a bit.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Why? Does she like Paris Hilton too?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

From a hack standpoint, watching Littlejohn try and alter his rhetoric since moving from The Sun to the Mail has been pretty fascinating. He doesn't fit in at the mail, it's like watching some scally squeezed into a Matalan suit for a court appearance. He does his best work as the White Van Man spokesperson, not for people who suffer heart attacks every time the house price market changes slightly. More builder's tea than Whittards.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

what does Garry Bushell do now he's apparently no longer a TV critic?

Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts?

they literally have less reach? not as big a field to operate in? the media is 'bigger' in the US?

blueski, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Simon Heffer is too much of a hilarious cartoon villain to be properly annoying

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, could yr Bill O'Reillies or yr Anne Coulters drop gems like this?

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted.

No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't.

And I know this might sound frightfully callous in the current hysterical, emotional climate, but we're not all guilty.

We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work'=", death by strangulation is an occupational hazard.

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.

Of course their friends and families are grieving. That's what friends and families do. But they should also be asking themselves if there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

If you discovered your daughter had gone on the game to feed her heroin habit, wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get her off it?

Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be.

We are all capable of free will. At any time, one or all of them could have sought help from the police, or the church, or a charity, or a government agency specifically established to deal with heroin addicts. They chose not to.

The tortuous twistings of the sisterhood over the past week have been a joy to behold. The 30-yearold Spare Rib T-shirts have been brought out of mothballs and we've been treated to the All Men Are Bastards/Rapists/Murderers mantra from assorted Glendas who ought to be old enough to know better.

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores. Where there's demand, there'll always be supply.

This wasn't a case of women going on the game to put bread on the table, or to look after their "babies". That's what the welfare state is for. They did it for drugs.

The gormless Guardianistas simply refuse to confront this blindingly obvious reality. They would rather deify celebrity druggies such as Kate Moss and Will Self than face the truth that hard drugs wreck lives.

What I find most objectionable about all this is the attempt to make us all feel responsible for the murders. There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.

At Ipswich Town's home game on Saturday, there was a minute's silence. We were supposed to believe that this was a true reflection of the community's sympathy.

I don't buy it. Most people went along with it in the spirit of emotional correctness and through fear of getting their heads kicked in if they didn't.

There was only one thing missing, but don't bet against it.

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East, don't be surprised if he turns up at the funeral of one of these unfortunate women to deliver a lip-trembling, tear-stained eulogy: "She was the People's Prostitute".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe difference between US "what the government is doing is right but it is being hampered by imaginary lefty conspiracy" vs UK's more marginalised "everything everyone does is wrong and gives you cancer, whatever happened to the good old days wahhh"

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

old people: who did the mail / sun tilt against during the thatcher years? the oppositon?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The unions

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

^that's that good faith

rob, Friday, 24 May 2024 12:35 (three weeks ago) link

finally a lol!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 24 May 2024 12:53 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think it is a grift. I think his conversion is genuine. But he hasn't converted to Catholicism, Catholicism has converted to Brand. It has been shaped into the form he prefers and he is a genuine believer in that.

― anvil, Friday, 24 May 2024 bookmarkflaglink

Please stop posting.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 24 May 2024 12:57 (three weeks ago) link

has that ever worked?

nashwan, Friday, 24 May 2024 13:38 (three weeks ago) link

No but it’s always worth a try.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 24 May 2024 13:56 (three weeks ago) link

If Bear Grylls was baptising that fucker it’s a dead cert he’s doing the Alpha course.

steely flan (suzy), Friday, 24 May 2024 14:23 (three weeks ago) link

The mad thing is believing this anything about anything other than Brand trying to deflect attention and court religious right sympathy (and funds) after that article the Times published about him. The worse thing is imagining that fundamentalists are the only true believers of any religion, as though the lunatic holdouts who don’t believe in Vatican 2 were closer to the word of God than the rest of us. Church traumatised generations of parents for literal centuries by telling them their babies were going to hell, before they changed course on that belief and now something that my parents were taught as fact in school was something I learned as a relic of the backward past. It is fucking nonsense to be a fundamentalist. It’s fucking absurd to believe in the sincere fanaticism of someone who is a bone-deep cynic.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 24 May 2024 14:38 (three weeks ago) link

I wonder if Andrew Tate's conversion to Islam is entirely sincere too?

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2024 14:52 (three weeks ago) link

We could leave arguments about ad hom out of the discussion altogether, I still think debating bad arguments simply lends them undeserved power, debate has been a poison word for a long time now

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

you can't just dismiss Toby Young's thought provoking pitch for progressive eugenics, you've got to debate him throw the cunt out of the nearest top storey window after beating him senseless with a lump hammer!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 24 May 2024 16:07 (three weeks ago) link

debate has been a poison word for a long time now

Debate is too strong a word, and I think here we're talking about interactions and conversations we might have, either in person or online, not public figures as such which is more unlikely (though not impossible I suppose)

I think we're increasingly seeing the writing off of non public figures as being bad faith, which is where I think the mistake is, mostly, as though nothing can be done, everything is a fait accompli. The good arguments don't argue for themselves, they need transmitters and advocates the same as any other arguments. If we collectively lose the ability to do this, I think thats a net negative

anvil, Friday, 24 May 2024 16:27 (three weeks ago) link

Once again, the people stanning for eugenics being exactly the sort of derp who’d fall foul of their own bullshit standards.

steely flan (suzy), Friday, 24 May 2024 16:50 (three weeks ago) link

The students keeping silent as someone like Braverman goes around asking about Hamas have it right.

No conversations with vermin, let them rot.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

Otm

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:36 (three weeks ago) link

Talking to friends and acquaintances is different, I agree with you there anvil, but I don't "debate" my friends no matter how shitty their thoughts might be. I'll say what I believe if asked, I'm not in the conversion business

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:41 (three weeks ago) link

the actual relevant situation here is that your friend/relative is sharing approvingly an article by a British Right-Wing Pundit

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

roll your eyes, tell them to get tae fuck, talk about something else. avoid interaction if the habit gets unbearable

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

From that video I'd say the lessons the younger crowd are learning is to simply cut contact with friends and family who turn into bigots.

My kind of people.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 19:27 (three weeks ago) link

I admire anybody who's able to do that, fuck engaging with a nazi

Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

Yup, its rough

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 22:08 (three weeks ago) link

Love this “actually the right are the REAL progressives” line being pushed everywhere

Just say you're voting tory pic.twitter.com/HwJPdFukRk

— Generic English Teacher (@TabitaSurge) May 26, 2024

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 26 May 2024 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

tragic how these lifelong leftists have reluctantly been forced to side with fascists to protect their hatred-based rights

i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 May 2024 14:09 (two weeks ago) link

Born again Christian? Born again cunt more like https://t.co/vrWA9lTQNV

— Congolesa Rice (@judeinlondon) June 8, 2024

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 11:50 (six days ago) link

I guess Mikey has already "Surprise Surprise"d that shit

i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2024 11:52 (six days ago) link

yeah, probably as him already doing fawning interviews with Desantis/Bannon is a predictable path to becoming a celeb MAGA grifter

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 12:01 (six days ago) link

... and facing potential rape charges in court as well, of course

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 12:04 (six days ago) link

Unless you're a 70s-era British TV star (and only some of them) there's seemingly no punishment for being a serial rapist at all. So don't get your hopes up about this twat!

prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Saturday, 8 June 2024 13:11 (six days ago) link

IIRC, London actually stopped existing for a few hundred years and changed location.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 8 June 2024 15:08 (six days ago) link

...after the Romans left.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 8 June 2024 15:08 (six days ago) link

driving this morning and scanning across the radio channels there was Helen Lewis on Radio 4 and Matthew Parris on 4Extra (plus no sport of interest on 5 live / sports extra and Huey playing boring classic rock selections on 6 music) - there is no escaping these fuckers.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 8 June 2024 16:53 (six days ago) link

The BBC's decision to relentlessly platform murderous transphobes is entirely neutral and accidental, no doubt

i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2024 17:07 (six days ago) link

Helen Lewis is a sociopath.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Saturday, 8 June 2024 17:12 (six days ago) link

The power of Christ should have compelled Brand to take an occasional shower.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 8 June 2024 23:46 (six days ago) link

Not British but..

I am in London for the first time in 5 years. Unrecognizable. Grotesque huge modern buildings looming over historic neighborhoods. No sign of British culture except for vestigial pubs. Huge LED screens in formerly beautiful peaceful streets. People sleeping, living on the… https://t.co/kuyVds5Nr9

— Dr Naomi Wolf (@naomirwolf) June 10, 2024

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:34 (three days ago) link

Don't think there was much rough sleeping in London pre-2010 but its so long ago I can't remember.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:36 (three days ago) link

I've been working in London since 2021 and just in these three years there has been a very noticeable increase in rough sleeping.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:38 (three days ago) link

I moved here in 2009 and the number of visibly homeless people has skyrocketed since 2010.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:41 (three days ago) link

There are usually at least five and sometimes more than 10 homeless people on my walk from my front door to, say, Holborn tube.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:43 (three days ago) link

it was bad in the mid 90's when I lived in Woolwich. I always characterised it as a London thing, like you'd never see the same level of homelessness in Manchester or Leeds back then. Now everywhere is like London. It's so easy to become homeless these days and it's not really a complex issue: Universal Credit is a benefits system that was conceived of and designed by evil cunts.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:46 (three days ago) link

London has been a dump for years, in fact for the entire time I've lived here, but the levels of homelessness has gone through the roof. However, it's exactly the same in Glasgow which has probably never looked worse and more rundown.

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:52 (three days ago) link

Lots of rough sleeping in central London in the 80s, 90s - remembering travelling to and from the suburbs into Charing Cross and seeing lots of rough sleepers under the station arches, long since cleaned up and cleared out.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:57 (three days ago) link

Yeah my timelines are shot but I'm sure went way down in the noughties and then shot up again sometime after 2010 - really noticeable by 2015 at the latest.

woof, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:08 (three days ago) link

Strangely occurring in tandem with Tory administrations then

prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:10 (three days ago) link

Who'd have thought it?

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:20 (three days ago) link

"We tried absolutely nothing to beat fascism. Lets elect them, then they will only beat themselves."

The last best hope against populism is to expose it to government https://t.co/DylV2rLRhV

— Financial Times (@FT) June 11, 2024

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:40 (three days ago) link

Genius.

ILX: a violent left-wing mob who hate our country (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:49 (three days ago) link

still calling fascism "populism" so they can continue with their horseshoe bollocks, fuck the lot of them.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:50 (three days ago) link

I frequently Deliveroo diet cokes and mini magnums to my home when the Tesco is a 30 second walk away https://t.co/OHvYBIIH9y

— Noa Hoffman (@hoffman_noa) June 12, 2024

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 15:11 (two days ago) link

Um I think he's talking to *wealth creators*

nashwan, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 15:39 (two days ago) link


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