British Right-Wing Pundits

you can't just dismiss Toby Young's thought provoking pitch for progressive eugenics, you've got to debate him throw the cunt out of the nearest top storey window after beating him senseless with a lump hammer!

debate has been a poison word for a long time now

Debate is too strong a word, and I think here we're talking about interactions and conversations we might have, either in person or online, not public figures as such which is more unlikely (though not impossible I suppose)

I think we're increasingly seeing the writing off of non public figures as being bad faith, which is where I think the mistake is, mostly, as though nothing can be done, everything is a fait accompli. The good arguments don't argue for themselves, they need transmitters and advocates the same as any other arguments. If we collectively lose the ability to do this, I think thats a net negative

Once again, the people stanning for eugenics being exactly the sort of derp who’d fall foul of their own bullshit standards.

The students keeping silent as someone like Braverman goes around asking about Hamas have it right.

No conversations with vermin, let them rot.

Otm

Talking to friends and acquaintances is different, I agree with you there anvil, but I don't "debate" my friends no matter how shitty their thoughts might be. I'll say what I believe if asked, I'm not in the conversion business

the actual relevant situation here is that your friend/relative is sharing approvingly an article by a British Right-Wing Pundit

roll your eyes, tell them to get tae fuck, talk about something else. avoid interaction if the habit gets unbearable

From that video I'd say the lessons the younger crowd are learning is to simply cut contact with friends and family who turn into bigots.

My kind of people.

I admire anybody who's able to do that, fuck engaging with a nazi

Yup, its rough

Love this “actually the right are the REAL progressives” line being pushed everywhere

Just say you're voting tory pic.twitter.com/HwJPdFukRk

— Generic English Teacher (@TabitaSurge) May 26, 2024

tragic how these lifelong leftists have reluctantly been forced to side with fascists to protect their hatred-based rights

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOswByTWwAAbCBo?format=jpg&name=large

Born again Christian? Born again cunt more like https://t.co/vrWA9lTQNV

— Congolesa Rice (@judeinlondon) June 8, 2024

I guess Mikey has already "Surprise Surprise"d that shit

yeah, probably as him already doing fawning interviews with Desantis/Bannon is a predictable path to becoming a celeb MAGA grifter

... and facing potential rape charges in court as well, of course

Unless you're a 70s-era British TV star (and only some of them) there's seemingly no punishment for being a serial rapist at all. So don't get your hopes up about this twat!

IIRC, London actually stopped existing for a few hundred years and changed location.

...after the Romans left.

driving this morning and scanning across the radio channels there was Helen Lewis on Radio 4 and Matthew Parris on 4Extra (plus no sport of interest on 5 live / sports extra and Huey playing boring classic rock selections on 6 music) - there is no escaping these fuckers.

The BBC's decision to relentlessly platform murderous transphobes is entirely neutral and accidental, no doubt

Helen Lewis is a sociopath.

The power of Christ should have compelled Brand to take an occasional shower.

Not British but..

I am in London for the first time in 5 years. Unrecognizable. Grotesque huge modern buildings looming over historic neighborhoods. No sign of British culture except for vestigial pubs. Huge LED screens in formerly beautiful peaceful streets. People sleeping, living on the… https://t.co/kuyVds5Nr9

— Dr Naomi Wolf (@naomirwolf) June 10, 2024

Don't think there was much rough sleeping in London pre-2010 but its so long ago I can't remember.

I've been working in London since 2021 and just in these three years there has been a very noticeable increase in rough sleeping.

I moved here in 2009 and the number of visibly homeless people has skyrocketed since 2010.

There are usually at least five and sometimes more than 10 homeless people on my walk from my front door to, say, Holborn tube.

it was bad in the mid 90's when I lived in Woolwich. I always characterised it as a London thing, like you'd never see the same level of homelessness in Manchester or Leeds back then. Now everywhere is like London. It's so easy to become homeless these days and it's not really a complex issue: Universal Credit is a benefits system that was conceived of and designed by evil cunts.

London has been a dump for years, in fact for the entire time I've lived here, but the levels of homelessness has gone through the roof. However, it's exactly the same in Glasgow which has probably never looked worse and more rundown.

Lots of rough sleeping in central London in the 80s, 90s - remembering travelling to and from the suburbs into Charing Cross and seeing lots of rough sleepers under the station arches, long since cleaned up and cleared out.

Yeah my timelines are shot but I'm sure went way down in the noughties and then shot up again sometime after 2010 - really noticeable by 2015 at the latest.

Strangely occurring in tandem with Tory administrations then

Who'd have thought it?

"We tried absolutely nothing to beat fascism. Lets elect them, then they will only beat themselves."

The last best hope against populism is to expose it to government https://t.co/DylV2rLRhV

— Financial Times (@FT) June 11, 2024

Genius.

still calling fascism "populism" so they can continue with their horseshoe bollocks, fuck the lot of them.

I frequently Deliveroo diet cokes and mini magnums to my home when the Tesco is a 30 second walk away https://t.co/OHvYBIIH9y

— Noa Hoffman (@hoffman_noa) June 12, 2024

Um I think he's talking to *wealth creators*

BBC presenter calls on Biden to have Trump ‘murdered’ https://t.co/Kq4VfQoWxC pic.twitter.com/PzMdNNTdq2

— New York Post (@nypost) July 2, 2024

this has been great, his timeline this morning is all MAGA chuds calling for the destruction of the BBC

Would be such a terrible shame if the BBC had to fire him. Maybe Matthew Parris too, just to be on the safe side?

funny that it's a murdoch drive-by, there's just no gratitude

Cry more.

This is a lie. And you are endangering me by repeating it

— David Aaronovitch (@DAaronovitch) July 14, 2024

heartbreaking to see somebody brought low by hubris, locked in regret and reflection of the ways his own actions could have led to this point, bitterly lamenting his own past transgressions but determined to move forward as a new man

Murdoch must condemn

"This is a lie, I should know because I said it!"

Peter Mandelson was right when he warned the Greens about embracing the Corbynite stop the war fanatics who Starmer’s Labour has kicked out https://t.co/s1kYc8H0yg

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 22, 2024

Oh do grow up. The Israeli response was exactly what Hamas wanted. Kids have died in every war there has ever been. It’s just that some people apparently need TikTok before they can imagine the horrors of war

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 22, 2024

I don’t wish on them any of it. But as a matter of policy we need to support a democratic state defending itself against lunatics. You side with the suicide bombers, rapists and butcherers of Oct 7 if you prefer

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) July 22, 2024

I find these kinds of sensibly-couched, extremist-centrist statements, knowing they are shared by the vast majority in the political and media classes, more chilling that the cartoonish equivalents by Farage, Trump et al. And this guy is considered a "moderate", and his book read by many.
These povs are absolutely the media mainstream, and even questioning the premise is beyond the pale. When we had a huge political movement that just a few years ago supported Palestinian statehood on day 1 of a new administration, I'm not sure how this has happened, except with massive injections of denial, la-la-la i'm not listening fingers in ears type rejection.