JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

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Mencia v. Rogan
Easily the most fascinating viral video of the month among show-biz folks was the on-stage confrontation at L.A.’s famed Comedy Store between Carlos Mencia (“Mind of Mencia”) and Joe Rogan (“Fear Factor”). Mencia was recently outed by Radar magazine as “reviled” by his fellow comics for stealing their jokes ( Radar reported that Mencia’s presence is loudly announced whenever he enters the club as a warning to performers).

Rogan, who is not the most diplomatic guy, decided he’d had enough of Mencia’s larceny. So in this 10-minute video (viewable at joerogan.net), he charges Mencia with stealing from him and Ari Shaffir, a shock comic known as “The Amazing Racist.” When Mencia denies even having heard Shaffir’s act, Shaffir joins them on stage and reminds him he used to open for Mencia.

It’s profane, probably alcohol-fueled and riveting. Rogan has been barred from the Comedy Store, and his agent, who also represents Mencia, dropped him. Rogan’s gutsy decision to vent his rage at Mencia impressed me, and Mencia’s evasions certainly could be career-damaging, except they’ll probably never gain much TV coverage. Why? Because VH1 and Comedy Central, cable’s two biggest pop-culture-spoofers, are both owned by Viacom. And Viacom already got Rogan’s video kicked off YouTube.


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| Aaron Barnhart, The Star

chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 06:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I blame Michael Richards.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 06:59 (fourteen years ago) link

ive always liked joe rogan; his stories about ayahuasca are some of the least irritating descriptions of trips that ive ever heard/read

max, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:01 (fourteen years ago) link

he was funny on news radio too!

chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Mencia’s evasions certainly could be career-damaging

yes because fans of carlos mencia = comedy purists

tremendoid, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:27 (fourteen years ago) link

good point

chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:28 (fourteen years ago) link

And Viacom already got Rogan’s video kicked off YouTube.

it's still on YouTube. maybe not for long...
Joe Rogan Vs Carlos Mencia

marmotwolof, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i was going to say "whoever loses, humanity wins" but joe rogan is in the right. and, echoing max, his description of tripping on DMT was pretty funny. both he and the other dude who hosted the second incarnation of the man show have turned out not to be utter morons, surprisingly.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 23 February 2007 08:01 (fourteen years ago) link

joe rogan is an unfunny tool who is marginally less annoying than mencia. in other words, who gives a fuck

gershy, Friday, 23 February 2007 08:04 (fourteen years ago) link

who was the other dude? I never saw man show 2.0

marmotwolof, Friday, 23 February 2007 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link

doug stanhope. he also participated in some girls gone wild bullshit, but his standup is alright. gets compared to bill hicks from time to time, but you know how that goes...

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 23 February 2007 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I've always had a huge soft spot for Rogan because of "NewsRadio." Have never checked his standup or watched "Fear Factor"; hope he was well paid at the latter.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 February 2007 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

It seems like every comedian has a story about how Mencia lifted one of their jokes, so regardless of my opinion on Joe Rogan I'm glad he finally called out Carlos on this shit.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Joe Rogan strikes me as a leering, fratty, Piscopo-in-waiting, even if it took balls to take on Mencia that way. I always flash back to a horrific Howard Stern interview where a woman called in when Rogan was on and explained in detail whey Rogan was the father of her child; they had had a one night stand after a show of his at some Guffaw Hut-type club in Idaho many years earlier. Rogan sheepishly admitted it was totally possible (he confirmed the woman's memories of the night) and that he sleeps or slept with tons of women on the road; the woman hangs up and it's just 'on with the interview'. It was creepy.

Carlos Mencia (as is widely reported everywhere, but it still must be said everytime his name comes up: His real name is Ned Holness, and he's from Honduras, not Mexico - despite his fondness for 'Wetback' jokes) is the opposite of funny. He's not smart enough to even be 'tv edgy'; his act literally consists of bits on bad Asian drivers and how black guys have big dicks. The world will be better off when he vanishes from the cultural landscape.

Doug Stanhope did indeed host a handful of Girls Gone Wild videos with braintrust Joe Francis, and is a bit of a creepy right wing dude who explains a lot of his unpopular ideas away by calling himself a hardcore Libertarian. He couldn't shine Bill Hicks' shoes.

Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:12 (fourteen years ago) link

His real name is Ned Holness

Oh dear.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

wiki disagrees

Mencia was born “Ned Arnel Mencia”, the seventeenth of eighteen children in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His father, Roberto Holness, is from Honduras, and his mother, Magdelena Mencia, is from Mexico. He was raised in East Los Angeles, California by his aunt Consuelo and uncle Pablo Mencia. "out of respect for his father", he went by the name Ned Holness as a boy.

onimo, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Huh. Found this from an interview, digging around:

"This year, a week or so before the show, the guys stated to ride my ass about the fact that my birth name is Ned… relax, I’ll tell you the story about that… My birth father’s name is Roberto Holness. When I was born, my mother was pissed off at my father and decided not give me his last name. She had a brother who was married but unable to have children. (Her brother is the one in my family that came to America first and then went back to Honduras to get the rest of his family). My mother did the most amazing thing a parent could do; she gave me to her brother and his wife to be raised as their own. I grew up with my biological mother and father, brothers and sisters living just next door. Out of respect for my birth father, my mom and dad decided I should still use his name even though my legal name (the one on my birth certificate) is Ned Arnel Mencia. All through school I was known as Ned Holness. I’ve never try to hide this, but only people who know me personally or have heard and or read all of my interviews and articles would know this. "

Doesn't explain the "Carlos" part, though. Or why someone with a clearly diverse personal cultural history would choose a stage persona that is based around some pretty well-worn stereotypes, and an act based around the same.

Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Because it's easier to create a really obvious stage persona because you can play it up for cheap laughs? See Larry the Redneck Guy or whatever his name is.

mh, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Doesn't explain the "Carlos" part, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage_name

Could be lots of reasons. Ned Mencia doesn't sound right to me, because of the d > m sound. Maybe he thinks Neds aren't funny.

onimo, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

His loss.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Agreed. LA Ned is plenty funny.....LOOKING!!!! (totally kidding, dude. Pints in a week or so!!!)

Mencia has a talent for pointing out the way in which people react to racial stereotypes. He did a bit on the difference b/t Mexicans in the US and Mexicans in Mexico (shocka!). He claimed that Mexicans in Mexico will complain all day about Mexico, but Mexicans in the US wouldn't say a word. He called a dude out in the audience and dude wouldn't say a word....or at least looked like he didn't want to say a word. It was kind of funny, but could have been staged very easily. On the whole, he doesn't impress me.

I would be VERY interested to see which comic actual Mexicans would prefer - Carlos Mencia or George Lopez. I'm betting Lopez.

B.L.A.M., Friday, 23 February 2007 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

They fuckin' love Lopez, dude, but the last time I was able to confirm this was before Mencia made his name.

TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

What Tom said - I'd imagine Mencia is much more appealing to gringos.

David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Agreed. LA Ned is plenty funny.....LOOKING!!!! (totally kidding, dude. Pints in a week or so!!!)

Yes! That reminds me, [Removed Illegal Link], so post on it as needed!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Damn, I'm really mystified by the Removed Illegal Link conundrum here. What makes something 'illegal' and what doesn't?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Exactly my position, Tom. I know Lopez has a STRONG base in the Mexican community, but that's based on before Mencia got a show on Comedy Central.

B.L.A.M., Friday, 23 February 2007 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Was there any punctuation in your blue text, Ned? I got an ILLEGAL LINK, SUCKA when my blue text included an exclamation point.

David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

That could be it! It was just to the thread on here about my upcoming trip for B.L.A.M.'s reference (which I've since revived to make it simpler) and there's a question mark in the thread addresses for here. Would it take much to fix that?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

pointing out the way in which people react to racial stereotypes

How much longer can this chestnut be dragged out?
My missus' family (who are Mexican) loves Lopez. None of them have heard of Carlos Mencia, which only enhances my suspicions that he plays pretty strictly to frat guys who just LOVE that someone has the "guts" to be non-PC and talk about 'retards'/limp wristed gays/big dicked blacks/fat people/outspoken women/Asian drivers/lazy Mexicans/etc. etc.
They do watch some Latino sketch show that is half in English, but I can't remember the name.

Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

No, no, Ned - I don't mean the actual URL, I meant the text that was going to be linked (i.e. the part I'm about to bold):

<link HI DERE THIS IS A LINK!>url</link>

Punctuation in the URL might be an issue, but they're commonplace enough (like in ILX URLs, for instance) that I wouldn't think they'd do that.

David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh right, that makes more sense. I don't *think* I did that, but I'll keep that in mind for future links. Thanks!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I am testing! This is unrelated to Rogan v Mencia.

HI DERE

nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Seth Rogen.

jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"They do watch some Latino sketch show that is half in English, but I can't remember the name. "

Sabado Gigante!!!! (I hope)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

all my cousins on the mexican side of my fam LOVE mencia and came to la just to see him from up north. like 10 cousins!

chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link

no wai!

NSFW, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

ten years pass...
one year passes...

hmm

https://www.facebook.com/hermano/videos/10214723690180350/

anvil, Monday, 28 January 2019 06:14 (two years ago) link

Tie-dye t-shirts with big streaks of black in them are one of my favorite genre of tie-dyes.

peace, man, Monday, 28 January 2019 11:02 (two years ago) link

i don't understand how he can believe this and still be "friends" with alex jones. is he just opportunistic or really fucking dumb?

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:10 (two years ago) link

why not both

maxwell’s silver hang suite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 28 January 2019 13:13 (two years ago) link

it's just kinda weird.

i'm not a "de-platforming" guy and i have nothing in principle against him having these alt right figures on his podcast (he has had everyone from milo to gavin mcinness to alex jones and, most famously, jordan peterson). but in his conversations with these people he barely pushes back on their ideas, if at all. he is probably as responsible as anyone else for jordan peterson's rise. if he really wants to build a more compassionate society, and if he really cares about the welfare of refugees at the border, he should be more skeptical of these people (to put it lightly)

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:23 (two years ago) link

think it's been a while since he was tight with jones, voiced skepticism about lol sandy hook truthery. the thing you learn with rogan is he'll mostly go along with whoever he's got on (that tie dyed video, i assume from the voice duncan trussell was the guest), so, like last week? it was bari weiss and then killer mike, so you've got clips of him on the war on poverty with killer mike and then he's got a clip with bari weiss on "anti-semitism by progressives." some intellectual darkweb guys are so dumb that majority report can pull clips of him dunking on jp or dave rubin by just picking at the seams of their arguments. but he's usually very credulous, so depending on the guest, he might be getting horrified by the treatment of white south african farmers or all aboard board with medicare for all. i mean, overall, despite his preoccupation with free speech and welcoming alt-right guests, he has the fairly moderate libtard opinions expected from a 50something coastal elite dude + very mild conspiracy theory stuff (more fbi assassinations of radical leaders and less chemtrails these days).

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 28 January 2019 13:26 (two years ago) link

yeah, "credulous" is a better word for what i'm talking about than "dumb." he does seem to look for the "best" in his guests, which is a good personality trait i suppose, but it's weird when it leads him to giving pretty egregious right wing figures the chance to prove that they too can hang

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:32 (two years ago) link

idk but isn't his thing that he DOESN'T push back?

I'd never actually seen or heard him till recently (though I knew he was famous for the podcast I hadn't seen anything until maybe two months ago). From what I've seen he just kind of agrees with whichever guest he has on, maybe the only real consistency around the idea of "free speech" - which I don't think of as exclusively a 'modern right wing thing'.

he has a big audience, if he's saying stuff like this he either believes it or thinks enough of his audience does, or both?

anvil, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:32 (two years ago) link

i think his audience are mostly liberals or else vaguely apolitical libertarians. i've gotten texts from friends asking me to help them formulate reasons why jordan peterson is wrong. they know he's wrong, but they're kinda turned around after hearing the podcast where rogan agreed with the stuff he was saying and made it seem like common sense.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:34 (two years ago) link

full disclosure: that happened one time. i don't why i made it plural.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 13:35 (two years ago) link

i actually don't think rogan is any dumber or more credulous than the average american newsmedia personality, though, and probably less reactionary and definitely less cold-blooded. i also i think his working class roots show (how lame that sounds writing it on ilx in this spirited defense of joe rogan!), like he was set by 30 but still grew up the kid of a single mom, raised in newton mass, didn't go to college etc.

it's ridiculous to suggest he's being taken advantage of by right wing grifters but intellectually he's quite often bullied; he has that anti-intellectual streak that makes america great, where he'll express an idea, like, why would you go to college and major in history when you can just listen to dan carlin's hardcore history? or, why would a kid go a hundred grand into debt getting a humanities degree when the great lectures are on youtube, ted talks, jordan peterson lecturing on the hero's journey and jung! he'd rather grapple with ideas from his own perspective and knowledge, which leaves him vulnerable to the elite-level sophistry of, say, candace owens or jordan p (if you put him against a neanderthal reactionary like owen benjamin or 2019 nick dipaolo, he does fine). he does push back! but it's usually ineffective.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 28 January 2019 13:59 (two years ago) link

great posts dylann

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 January 2019 14:03 (two years ago) link

Yea i agree—good analysis. There is something charmingly populist about him and I understand why the podcast is popular. But yeah, he is a good mark for the peterson’s of the world

Trϵϵship, Monday, 28 January 2019 14:13 (two years ago) link

xp

treeship., Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:23 (one year ago) link

Stewart was expressing discomfort with people treating him like a journalist. I don't think he was pretending to not know what he was talking about.

Frederik B, Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:28 (one year ago) link

That’s true—and a difference. Not the main point of my post though, let’s just leave it out.

treeship., Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:30 (one year ago) link

He, true, sorry. Never include asides in an ilx post :)

Frederik B, Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:35 (one year ago) link

I'm sorry; either bear with me for one more reply, or just do tldr it this time.

we're cool, i don't feel it's my _responsibility_ to talk about this stuff but i honestly do really like it when i get the opportunity to do it, if someone's treating me with kindness and respect (which you are) and listening i am perfectly happy to talk :)

honestly it's an interesting conversation because i haven't spent a lot of time watching joe rogan's videos or listening to the stuff he said, so i'm learning a lot by listening to you talk about your experiences. i appreciate you taking that bullet.

i think your approach to these is sort of how i used to view the world and that's sort of changed over the past few years. i'm starting to understand the limits of objective analysis, the assumptions implicit in it. i used to be fairly adamant that you should pay attention to what people say, and not how people say it, that presentation and personality are distractions from the central message. nowadays, i think there are preconditions for successfully conducting rational discourse, that if those preconditions, which for me personally are kindness and respect, aren't met then that discourse is not going to be effective.

i don't know that much about joe rogan. maybe he just is a wet noodle with no personality of his own who will parrot whatever the last person he's talked to said. i know there are a fair number of people like that. (and imo jon stewart sure as hell isn't one of them - he was one of the best interviewers on late night, thoughtful, critical, incisive)

and i don't think that's good enough. i mean, someone like that, i just fundamentally can't trust them. they say the right things now and is that going to stay? i guess that depends on if they ever talk to a transphobe again in their life. it's not about sincerity, it's about the fundamental shallowness of the conversion experience. even more so than people who are actively malicious, somebody who can be led by the nose into saying or doing literally anything is about the most dangerous thing i can imagine.

i don't see any benefit in listening to or engaging with what that person says because... to get wonky about my day job, there's all this push in data analysis about more data, more data, more data. despite "garbage in garbage out" being a long-established principle of data processing, a surprising number of people seem to operate on the principle that the solution to bad data is more data (or, to put it another way, that the solution to hate speech is more speech). that's not how i operate. i'm more interested in data quality than data quantity, and maybe deliberately ignoring everything the joe rogans of the world have to say makes me less informed than those who listen, i'm certainly not an objective judge of that, but my personal belief tends more towards the opposite.

as far as natalie wynn goes, i wouldn't say i have "disdain" for her, but again, i don't trust her. i don't think she does a very good job speaking for the trans community, and i'm frustrated at the extent to which well-meaning cis people take whatever she says as representative of the larger trans community.

apparently wynn and rogan are very different people - natalie is completely brilliant and comes off as kind of a control freak - but the thing they have in common is this underlying Influencer nature. they are powerful people. what they say counts more than what the rest of us say. and people who are in power nowadays... they seem to spend a lot of time disclaiming any responsibility for their actions. and so we arrive at this imbalance, where "influencers" have power but no responsibility, and the rest of us have responsibility but no power. i would like to correct that imbalance.

you know my name, look up the number of the beast (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

And the critics and half-assed defenders shouldn’t say he is brain dead either bc he is obviously of at least average intelligence.


Hard lol at this. I mean, sure, but I know plenty of people of average intelligence and I can’t imagine wanting to listen to them host a multi-hour podcast show while half-baked.

circa1916, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:22 (one year ago) link

I know plenty of people of average intelligence and I can’t imagine wanting to listen to them host a multi-hour podcast show while half-baked.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:24 (one year ago) link

No argument there

circa1916, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:25 (one year ago) link

I can't imagine wanting to listen to intelligent people host a multi-hour podcast.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:41 (one year ago) link

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/celebrity-joe-rogan-made-30-million-last-year-as-a-podcaster-20200204.amp.html

$30 mil for being dumb + smoking weed w tesla 😎👽

lumen (esby), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:45 (one year ago) link

can we kill this thread

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:54 (one year ago) link

i don't think so, lemme check...

lumen (esby), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:58 (one year ago) link

sorry, no

lumen (esby), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:58 (one year ago) link

how about falling on the sword, taking the thread's place....

ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 February 2020 04:05 (one year ago) link

Forbes numbers are a half-step up from celebritynetworth.com aren't they?

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 6 February 2020 05:13 (one year ago) link

Unless all your money is visible in Microsoft stock or something

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 6 February 2020 05:13 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Rogan going Spotify exclusive is going to decimate the FEMINIST GETS OWNED YouTube recommendation ecosystem.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:35 (one year ago) link

what am I going to do without my Roganmendations, bruh (shovels palmful of protein powder into gaping maw)

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:43 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Did Rogan actually do a better job than Andrew Neill in handling Ben Shapiro?

The flounce on Neill was theatrical but he didn't concede or backtrack on anything at all. He had nowhere to go and couldn't do his usual react to the tone thing, because thats not how Rogan works

anvil, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 10:04 (one year ago) link

Seen some fat-shaming clips from his show that annoyed the shit out of me but that David Choe interview I enjoyed immensely, it was pretty stunning.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 7 August 2020 22:08 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Joe Rogan was NOT ready for that 😭 pic.twitter.com/DdBr3gvySM

— ً (@wtfdoik) September 2, 2020

peace, man, Thursday, 3 September 2020 12:05 (one year ago) link

I mean, I don't know if "he was NOT ready for that" but it was a nice pwn by Miley.

peace, man, Thursday, 3 September 2020 12:06 (one year ago) link

lol Miley 27 going on 50 there.

circa1916, Thursday, 3 September 2020 12:16 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

No one could have foreseen this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/550532-spotifys-joe-rogan-says-healthy-young-people-dont-need-to-worry-about-getting

pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 00:47 (eight months ago) link

Joe Rogan is basically an entertainer who talks a lot of shit. People who see him as smart or thoughtful are essentially people who have an even shakier, less informed basis for thinking about the world than Rogan does, because at least Rogan reads things sometimes, just so he'll have something to talk about.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 01:03 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

Hope this meathead dies.

Taliban! (PBKR), Thursday, 2 September 2021 18:33 (four months ago) link

i'll take carlos mencia

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 2 September 2021 18:37 (four months ago) link

It doesn’t work as well as Ivermectim

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 2 September 2021 19:56 (four months ago) link

I would watch a 3 hour JRE of him trying to manually extract this

Brazilian viper venom shows promise as drug to combat Covid https://t.co/zgDB9e33oE pic.twitter.com/BkYnoL4cea

— The Hill (@thehill) September 2, 2021

frogbs, Friday, 3 September 2021 03:24 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

We probably won't see Josh Zepps on Rogan's podcast for a while 😂 pic.twitter.com/Eyff4FJn6p

— Borrachinha Depot (@FullContactMTWF) January 13, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 14 January 2022 16:53 (five days ago) link

its wild to watch how, when hes confronted with clear evidence that he was wrong, how quickly he goes through the process of "this doesnt apply to what we were talking about" --> "who even said this, whats the source" --> "there must be underreporting". whats the term for that conspiracist thought process where contrary evidence just proves their point further?

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 14 January 2022 17:17 (five days ago) link

yeah so my older brother is a huge JoeBro and sometimes he really gets into it about something fucking dumb and I find you can actually pin him down on something specific and point out how they're wrong and sometimes they will accept it and move on. BUT then they watch one more episode of the Rogan podcast and they're back on it again

one example - he thinks that Covid deaths are greatly overreported, and buys fully into that "if you get shot in the face while you have Covid, it's a Covid death" talking point. I tell him okay, lets look at the deaths per capita rate and see if there's an increase, because if deaths per capita are notably going up, then it's concrete evidence that *something* is killing a bunch more people. (Anyway, he sends me a chart and tells me it dismantles my argument, and he gets real cocky about it too. The problem: his chart ends at 2019. When you look at 2020 and 2021, then yes indeed a LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING. He then invents some weird bullshit about how these charts aren't really accurate for a few years anyway (??) but that yes, his chart does not prove anything. HE HAS SENT ME THIS CHART FIVE TIMES NOW. There is no reasoning with these people.

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 17:23 (five days ago) link

It's amazing how many people get the order wrong wrt "gather data--->form a hypothesis"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 14 January 2022 17:28 (five days ago) link

will never ever ‘get’ this dude. tbf the only time I listened to him for more than a 3-5 minute clip is a good bit of the David Lee Roth interview. he didn’t really say much, just let DLR rip (smart move). but he’s not even funny? and he was a standup? (tho I did I love Newsradio and enjoyed his character). if you’re not a already firmly in this zeitgeist-y right-leaning, online conspiracy prone, masculinity in cRiSiS bro shit, I simply can not wrap my head around the appeal.

and yet! I’ve got like 3 friends, early-to-mid 40s, pretty liberal, definitely Democratic voters, who I understand listen, at least on occasion. maybe even semi-regularly, depending on guest? and only one seemed even a touch embarrassed. what am I missing?

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:00 (five days ago) link

idk I think he's just good at portraying that free thinker/"I do my own research" persona. he's also like, a living mancave. all he really knows about is UFC & getting fucked up. I get the appeal I guess but the fact that people spend like 4 hours a week listening to him is insane. he's just so remarkably dull and dumb

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 19:10 (five days ago) link

Nothing.

Kinda wild to look back on how his Newsradio character incorporated his actual love of conspiracies, and how differently that dude would come across now.

xp

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:10 (five days ago) link

He was into conspiracies when it was still cool!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:15 (five days ago) link

the fact that people spend like 4 hours a week listening to him is insane

I think he's on about 15 hours a week

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:19 (five days ago) link

Ego entanglement is a helluva thing

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:21 (five days ago) link

its such a perfect distillation of the way that mainstream podcasting has devolved into this total glass-eyed void of content-free nothingness. makes the listener feel smart without asking them to do or think anything, presents conversations with standups and things that are adjacent to comedy without actually being funny, etc. just sort of presents an endlessly reassuring self-serving mantra to listeners: "you are smart... you are normal... you are smart... you are normal..."

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 14 January 2022 19:48 (five days ago) link

the parody that Tim Heidecker did was so fucking otm on that, to the extent that it was almost kind of hard to watch. they get so close to saying something interesting but never do. it's brilliant

frogbs, Friday, 14 January 2022 22:27 (five days ago) link

he's also like, a living mancave.


Thank you for new dn

A Living Mancave (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 January 2022 02:11 (four days ago) link

that's the most i've ever seen of joe rogan, he seems like an idiot

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 January 2022 03:58 (four days ago) link

Well maybe they should. pic.twitter.com/Z3HX0XSik0

— chy (@TapeFlip) January 15, 2022

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:06 (four days ago) link

Thank you media for introducing me to the Joe Rogan podcast. I didn’t really listen before but I’m a full time viewer.

— Kevin Sorbo (@ksorbs) January 15, 2022

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:20 (four days ago) link

going back to what frogs said about his brother above, I mean, you can see clear as day that 500,000+ more people died in the US from 2019 - 2020 and that this type of increase of that significance had not happened in modern times...but it doesn't matter.

one of those same clowns was arguing with Howard Forman that deaths actually increased more in 2004-2006 and he replied basically "the hell are you talking about, the increase was way lower, I'm looking at it right now". they don't care.

and there comes Rogan.

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 January 2022 23:16 (four days ago) link

You don’t even need fake reports from thinktanks

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 January 2022 00:33 (three days ago) link

Maybe covid just made them all die of other things, like heart attacks and lung failure and cancer and stuff, faster, think about that. Or maybe all those other years they just undercounted by 500k or so.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 January 2022 00:40 (three days ago) link

That Sorbo Tweet is killing me.

circa1916, Sunday, 16 January 2022 02:26 (three days ago) link


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