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Lookin' good...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 November 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

So, what else is in the movie? Oh, right.

How exactly do you beat Sandman?

LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Saturday, 11 November 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Get him wet?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 November 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Will special effects technology ever advance to a state it can make Spider-Man look not like a computer game character?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 11 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's already there; the problem is the vertiginous camera angles plus making it look like SpM is being sucked toward the surfaces he clings to instead of falling onto them naturally. If they'd stick to camera angles that indicates a bystander's view, and make it more clear that Spidey's upper body actually weighs something, they'd have it.

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i like how they're being coy about the origin of the symbiote...

i hope venom isn't just in the last few minutes of the movie! like topher grace gets the suit, goes "AGGGGRHHHHH" then falls off a building.

stoked!

latebloomer: not to be confused with the dolphin from Seaquest DSV (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought 3 was going to be the last one...

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

mostly bcuz of dunst

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

teen people awards a death metal band of the year award??

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

s'a joke

latebloomer: not to be confused with the dolphin from Seaquest DSV (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Looks like they've done a good job with Sandman. Venom will be hard to pull off without being silly, though (not helped by him being quite a silly character).

chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

nice to see they get the american flag in there, was worried for a second.

not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

the newest spidey villain--DR HEDGEHOG

latebloomer: not to be confused with the dolphin from Seaquest DSV (latebloomer), Saturday, 11 November 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5l9fEBs4m8&e

Ivan G (Ivan), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/75/Sandman_vertigo.jpg/200px-Sandman_vertigo.jpg

I really don't know how interesting it will be watching an imposing goth battle Spidey...

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What does Batman have to do with this?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Foreman noooooooo!!! Now Donna is going to have to dump you!

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope when Spidey knocks Venom off a building Ashton Kutcher (as Kelso though) shows up and yells "BURN!".

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

this film is going to be shit, isn't it.

LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

No, just this thread.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

BURN!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope when Spidey knocks Venom off a building Ashton Kutcher (as Kelso though) shows up and yells "BURN!".

Would Kelso have aged 30 years?

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

marie antoinette is in it?!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://chud.com/articles/articles/22112/1/SPIDER-MAN-4-NO-MORE-RAIMI-GONE-SPIDEY-REBOOTED-HOLY-SHIT-UPDATES-COMING/Page1.html

Fuck!

The breaking news from Deadline Hollywood is that Spider-Man 4 is gone. Canceled. Good-bye. And Sam Raimi is gone as well. Apparently he told the folks at Sony he couldn't make their deadlines and they told him sayonara.

But wait! It gets worse: Sony wants to reboot Spider-Man. Yes, start over. Yes, get rid of Tobey Maguire and everyone else.

Has the world gone mad? How do you reboot a successful franchise like this? Why would you get rid of your star? I get letting Raimi go (if you're a studio uninterested in making a good movie), but why start from scratch? This isn't like Batmanm, where the series has been sullied - and most importantly, dormant for a while. This is a still successful franchise that has room to grow.

I'm hoping that the scoop at Deadline Hollywood is a touch off and that there is no reboot, that it's just a fourth film, even if Sony weirdly opts to recast. Starting over seems so very, very dumb.

Good for Sam Raimi, though. He doesn't need this shit.

UPDATE! Holy fast paced world - Sony's official Twitter feed has backed this up:

Spider-Man: Summer 2012: Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012.

Morons.

UPDATED AGAIN: Here's Sony's press release. Teenaged Spidey all over again. We're sure to get the origin again, especially since they're going to want to connect Spider-Man tightly with Venom. Fuckers. And it will, of course, be 3D.

Culver City, CA (January 11, 2010) -- Peter Parker is going back to high school when the next Spider-Man hits theaters in the summer of 2012. Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios announced today they are moving forward with a film based on a script by James Vanderbilt that focuses on a teenager grappling with both contemporary human problems and amazing super-human crises.

The new chapter in the Spider-Man franchise produced by Columbia, Marvel Studios and Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin, will have a new cast and filmmaking team. Spider-Man 4 was to have been released in 2011, but had not yet gone into production.

“A decade ago we set out on this journey with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire and together we made three Spider-Man films that set a new bar for the genre. When we began, no one ever imagined that we would make history at the box-office and now we have a rare opportunity to make history once again with this franchise. Peter Parker as an ordinary young adult grappling with extraordinary powers has always been the foundation that has made this character so timeless and compelling for generations of fans. We’re very excited about the creative possibilities that come from returning to Peter's roots and we look forward to working once again with Marvel Studios, Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin on this new beginning,” said Amy Pascal, co-chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

“Working on the Spider-Man movies was the experience of a lifetime for me. While we were looking forward to doing a fourth one together, the studio and Marvel have a unique opportunity to take the franchise in a new direction, and I know they will do a terrific job,” said Sam Raimi.

“We have had a once-in-a-lifetime collaboration and friendship with Sam and Tobey and they have given us their best for the better part of the last decade.This is a bittersweet moment for us because while it is hard to imagine Spider-Man in anyone else’s hands, I know that this was a day that was inevitable,” said Matt Tolmach, president of Columbia Pictures, who has served as the studio’s chief production executive since the beginning of the franchise. “Now everything begins anew, and that’s got us all tremendously excited about what comes next. Under the continuing supervision of Avi and Laura, we have a clear vision for the future of Spider-Man and can’t wait to share this exciting new direction with audiences in 2012.”

"Spider-Man will always be an important franchise for Sony Pictures and a fresh start like this is a responsibility that we all take very seriously," said Michael Lynton, Chairman and CEO of Sony Pictures. "We have always believed that story comes first and story guides the direction of these films and as we move onto the next chapter, we will stay true to that principle and will do so with the highest respect for the source material and the fans and moviegoers who deserve nothing but the best when it comes to bringing these stories and characters to life on the big screen."

The studio will have more news about Spider-Man in 2012 in the coming weeks as it prepares for production of the film.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 January 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link

prob for the best tbh

Dino-linguist Noam Chompsky (Pillbox), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Can we ban all "reboots" for at least a decade? Thanks.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

lol gonna suck even worse than the Raimi ones

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Christ, i really can't be arsed sitting through another origin film

Number None, Monday, 11 January 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Spidey will don a 9' alien suit and have most excellent 3D adventures in high school.

mayor jingleberries, Monday, 11 January 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

They already have that show/movie series, it's called "Ben 10"

living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

prob for the best tbh er.. Raimi's noninvolvement that is.

Dino-linguist Noam Chompsky (Pillbox), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Raimi could've helmed a good fourth film (hopefully he'd have learned from the mistakes made in the third). But I totally disapprove of restarting the franchise AGAIN.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 January 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

hopefully he will use his newly freed-up batch of time to get back around to Evil Dead 4.

Dino-linguist Noam Chompsky (Pillbox), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

He has to finish the World of Warcraft movie first.

living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe he can join the high school performance society!

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Monday, 11 January 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link

At this point, I'd rather see a screen adaptation of the musical than a franchise reboot.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 11 January 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

as much as i love raimi's work on the earlier ones (and after Drag Me To Hell I don't know whose next film I could anticipate more), i gotta admit his reported demands for the Vulture didn't thrill me. "And having faced a sand creature and his evil clone, now he must face...FLYING MICHAEL STIPE!!!!"

da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

the only good thing about the "he's going back to high school" tweet is that it eradicates the possibility of shia labeouf taking the role

da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i gotta admit his reported demands for the Vulture didn't thrill me. "And having faced a sand creature and his evil clone, now he must face...FLYING MICHAEL STIPE!!!!"

wtf, really? Seemed like the Lizard was the next logical villain to go to. Would also have accepted Kraven or Mysterio tho

larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Basically, any of the remaining Sinister Six. I guess none of the post-60s baddies sound all that appealing.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

In the future, if a movie doesn't do well with test audiences, they'll start shooting the re-boot before the original film even comes out.

Anyway, now looking forward to ZAC EFRON IS PETER PARKER...

Cunga, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link

As much as I love ol' webhead, I can't imagine I'll be seeing this.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

As much as I love ol' webhead, I can't imagine I'll be seeing this.

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2nded. and i think spiderman 2 is a brilliant movie.

shart in a bag, light it on fire (stevie), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i will personally kill any one of you who goes to see this proposed reboot

mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't read the later comics but, is there another side to peter parker that tobey maguire didn't cover? i can understand the divergence in batman interpretations, but the last three spider-man movies nailed the awkward-geek-turned-hero character. can't imagine what they are looking for apart from maybe like a slick tobey maguire. played by kevin bacon.

high-five machine (schlump), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone at Slashfilm just commented that should this Spider-Man campaign fall through (which it almost certainly will), he should definitely be considered for the reboot of Fletch. They've been trying to recast Fletch for a decade now, and no one was -just- the right fit. I think Donald would be perfect, though, PLUS he's totally bros with Chevy Chase already. SLAM DUNK.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 31 May 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Twitterbombing worked for a short while tonight, anyway. That was fun.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link

http://io9.com/5548720/which-one-of-these-actors-is-the-new-spider+man

Donald would be a much better Spiderman than any of these dudes.

And btw the kid from the Harry Potter movie totally looks like Pete Campbell. RONG.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 Glover but I gotta say if they are going to do this, Jamie Bell would be a pretty good choice.

Simon H., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Out of the suspected final five, Jamie Bell is probably the most agreeable choice. If it's true that they're turning this into a really joyless Twilight-style version of Spider-Man, though, I'm in no rush to see it no matter who gets cast in the role.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link

The number of Brit choices on that list seem to point to the studio looking for some Pattinson type heartthrob. Which, yuck.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i mean...there's no reason to do this without a strong vision of how to do it way differently from the Maguire/Raimi model, and a lighter or weirder version with Glover would be so much better than just upping the brooding emo factor.

Christina NAGLera (some dude), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I think this is a pretty inspired idea, and a surprisingly good fit in my head. Either way, though, a couple of episodes into Community, I could tell that Glover was going to become huge. Assuming he wants it and has dece people looking after his interests. But I think he'll have his choice of plum roles in no time.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I am still lolling at Tracy Morgan as Spiderman

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link

That would be incredible, yes.

I always thought a (much) younger Matthew Perry would have been good.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

arnold schwarzenegger

conrad, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

up and at dem!

LINGO FROM THE BURGER KING KIDS CLUB (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Kingpin was black in "Daredevil," and no one even raised an eyebrow, so sure, why not?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

That's the thing. In characters where ethnicity has never been a defining factor, it shouldn't matter what the race is of the person portraying them at any given time. I've seen ridiculous arguments in comments sections around the web for this, though.

"Oh, so I guess it's alright if Brad Pitt plays Black Panther then, right?" NO, that's not alright. Black Panther's character relies fully on his race. Same goes with Captain America, who was created specifically as an Aryan ideal in the 1940's to sort of spit in Nazi faces.

But Peter Parker is a lower-middle class kid, living in Queens, with extended family because his parents have passed, and he's kind of an outcast (or semi-invisible at the very least) among his peer group. Not to generalize, but that sounds more like a minority role than a traditional whitebread role to me.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Someone on the Facebook group just made this:

http://i47.tinypic.com/14t36ma.jpg

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 04:38 (thirteen years ago) link

The article that inspired it all is a bit much

http://io9.com/5549613/the-last-thing-spider+man-should-be-is-another-white-guy

Cunga, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link

GODDAMN this is some good writing!

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/could-community-star-donald-glover-play-spider-man


Could 'Community' star Donald Glover play Spider-Man?
Posted on Wednesday, Jun 2, 2010 By Drew McWeeny

Oh, wait, you're right... how could I have ever thought that Donald Glover could pull off playing a high-school aged nerd?

Here's my first question for you: why is Peter Parker white?

My answer to that question would be "Because the comic book was published in the early '60s, and there was no way Marvel was going to make their main character anything BUT white at that point in publishing history."

Aside from that, there's no inherent story or thematic reason for Peter Parker to be white. None at all. But you wouldn't know that looking at the reaction this weekend online to what started as a bit of a goof and has now blown up into a typhoon-force internet meme that is forcing an interesting and always-explosive conversation.

Donald Glover, who you used to be able to follow on Twitter under his name @donglover (and, yes, he knows exactly how else you can read that), has been building a following this year with his work on the show "Community." He's also a member of the group DERRICK Comedy which I wrote about last week, and he's an active member of LA's stand-up comedy community, a former writer for "30 Rock," and the star of "Mystery Team," which just got a DVD release. I'd say his audience is still a cult audience, but a passionate and growing one, which is probably why he changed the Twitter name to @MrDonaldGlover.

Over the weekend, as people were publishing more stories speculating about the casting process on Sony's "Spider-Man" reboot, Don started a campaign via Twitter, using a simple hashtag. Actually, here's how it started on May 30 at 2:45 PM:

RT wittyallusion : @io9 wrote a post about casting a non-white #Spiderman for the reboot. some1 suggested @MrDonaldGlover. I agree with this

Okay. So iO9 started this with an article that simply asked why Spider-Man needs to be white. It's a fair point, especially in the year 2010. Donald's response a minute later was simple:

You guys. Let's make this happen. #donald4spiderman

Like many people his age, Donald was raised on pop culture, and Spider-Man is one of those great Everyman characters that many of us felt kinship to as we were growing up. Marvel's entire company was built on a simple narrative innovation, the idea of giving superheroes real-life problems that made them feel like normal people who just happened to have amazing powers. Peter Parker was a perfect example of that, a teenage kid who was given these amazing abilities that did absolutely nothing to help him solve all the problems that regular teenagers deal with every day. Parker's love life tortured him more than the supervillains he had to fight, and dealing with hiding the truth about himself from his loved ones gave him angst you could measure on a Richter scale.

So now imagine you're a comic fan, you've grown up reading about Peter Parker and identifying with him, you've started to build a Hollywood career for yourself, and suddenly they're casting Spider-Man, and you're the right age and in good shape. You figure a little grass-roots campaign might actually get you in the room for an audition, and honestly... you can't ask for more than that, right?

Well, fast-foward a few days, and now look where we are. Look around at the message boards and comment sections under all the articles out there that have detailed the situation. Many of those articles were half-kidding, half-curious, and unfortunately, the response from fandom is exactly as bad as I feared it might be. Over the decade plus that I was at Ain't It Cool, I learned some very uncomfortable truths about fandom, and a situation like this just highlights those things once again. One of the core truths about many fanboys is that they have a very limited imagination, which seems odd when you consider that they are drawn to works of fiction that are all about imagination. People get hung up on the strangest things when it comes to new versions of the things they like, and when you start talking about casting, and especially when race becomes a factor in that conversation, things can get ugly. And fast.

Here's what I personally consider important about Peter Parker: he's a science nerd, he has trouble with girls, he is great with a camera, he loves his Aunt May and his Uncle Ben, and he is a wise-ass in a major way. Beyond that, I don't really care what color his skin is. The Sam Raimi "Spider-Man" films featured Tobey Maguire in the role, and he got certain aspects of Parker right, but not all of them. In fact, I'd argue that all three of Raimi's films really missed the boat on the "wise-ass" side of Parker, which I consider WAY more important than whether or not he's white. I've always loved the notion of Peter using his sense of humor to anger and distract villains in fights, and certain writers have nailed that. The Bendis run on "Ultimate Spider-Man" frequently made me laugh out loud, and there was one particular encounter with The Kingpin where I couldn't stop laughing after I read it. Even with Raimi and his various screenwriters totally missing that key element of Parker's personality, I was able to enjoy the films as interpretations of "Spider-Man," knowing full well that any adaptation is going to be filtered through the sensibility of whoever makes it, and that no adaptation will ever do every single thing that I, as a fan of that character, would want done.

So we've had three films now where Spider-Man is a humorless mope who looks perpetually ready to cry. Great. If casting Donald Glover means that we get a Spider-Man who is as comfortable cracking a joke as spinning a web, then I'll gladly accept a non-white Peter Parker and never look back.

However, just the idea of a black actor WANTING to play Spider-Man... and keep in mind, he hasn't auditioned or spoken to Sony or done anything official except say he sure would love a chance at the role... has made the fanboy nation crazy, and I wonder how many of them even fully understand the implications of what they write when they rail against the idea. It's a big deal to call somebody a racist, and it's not a word I throw around lightly. I think there are many people who are opposed to the notion of Donald Glover playing the role because he doesn't fit their interpretation of the character, and I can see that. Casting an icon like this is never easy. But there's a difference between knowing Donald's work, considering that work, and deciding that you'd rather see someone else play the part and flat-out rejecting the notion that any black man can EVER play the role, and that's the position that many people have taken in this debate.

And that, in my opinion, is absolutely racist.

We're not talking about a historical figure. We're not talking about a character whose race is essential to the story being told. We're talking about an audience surrogate, someone who is supposed to be us, and while I see a white face when I look in the mirror, I consider "us" in the year 2010 to be an inclusive word that reflect the post-Obama reality of our country. I wrote recently about the reasons I miss Jim Henson, and the subtle but effective way he tore down notions of racial inequality on "Sesame Street" is one of the things about him that I treasure. Seems like that lesson didn't really sink in for everyone, though. I want to believe that "us" reflects a multi-cultural multi-racial reality. I have a South American wife and I'm raising my kids (one who looks very gringo, one who looks very Latino) bilingual, aware of their heritage on both sides. And as they get older, I want them to actively be aware of what it means to come from two cultures. I am doing my part for the Great American Melting Pot, and my whole life, I have struggled with the way society pushes us to think about race versus the way I want to think about it.

Part of that struggle comes from being a pop culture addict. The default hero in most fiction is a white, heterosexual male. That's just the way it works. And as a culture, we are all expected to identify with the white heterosexual male. We are all supposed to be able to see ourselves in that character. It is lazy and arrogant and presumptuous, but it's also been the default for decades, and Hollywood certainly doesn't seem to be in any hurry to change it. To be fair, though, I don't think it's a uniquely American issue. For the past few years, I've been dealing with international financing on a film I wrote, and the main character has been incredibly difficult to cast. He's an ex pro-wrestler, and we always knew we needed someone of a certain size and heft. At one point, we got Michael Clarke Duncan to say yes to the role, and as far as we were concerned, that was a completely victory. I think he's exactly right for the role physically, but beyond that, he has a vulnerability that would fill the character out in the right way. Unfortunately, we were told that the financiers wouldn't accept him in the part because... and I quote... "there's no international audience for black actors."

That, by the way, is the real reason Donald Glover won't be playing Spider-Man.

It won't be because a bunch of vocal fanboys have trouble seeing past one ingrained visual image of a character, but because there's no way Sony bets their mega-franchise on a black face when they use the exact same grotesque international money charts and graphs as everyone else. Next time someone tells you America's got problems with race, you can point out that at least in this country, we seem to have room for actors of many ethnic and racial backgrounds, while internationally (Europe is evidently the worst about this), that is not true at all.

Trying to have this conversation on Twitter today, I was amazed at some of the responses I got, and from people I consider very smart and decent and not remotely bigoted. Over and over, I was asked if it would be okay to cast someone like Tom Cruise as Black Panther or Sam Worthington as Luke Cage. That argument just makes me sad. Those characters were created as a direct reaction to the overwhelming ocean of white faces in the world of comic books, and while I think there's something vaguely condescending and slimy about throwing the world "Black" in front of a character name, I can see why it was important for the characters to exist when they were first published. Their race is a central part of who they are, why they fight, and how they were written. The issue of Captain America came up again, too, and I'm one of the people who had trouble understanding the talk of Will Smith for that role when that was a rumor last year. Again... it's a story issue. Captain America was created as a symbol in WWII to lead American soldiers, and he had to be the ideal for the time period in which he was created. In WWII, there was no way they were going to make him African-American. No way at all. Even Jesse Owens, with his amazing victory at the Berlin Olympics, failed to convert many of the most entrenched racists of the day. Certain characters exist to explore ideas of race or to offer up a counterpoint to the traditionally white faces under those masks, and denying that or altering that seems to me to be willfully obtuse.

But with a character like Spider-Man (who, I should point out, is covered head to toe when he's in costume, meaning in much of the film he would be red and blue just like he always is), race has never been an issue. I can't think of a single key Spider-Man story that would be affected by casting a black actor. There's nothing about the character that you have have to fundamentally alter. Peter Parker would still be Peter Parker, defined by the same problems. Several people have countered, "Well, if it doesn't matter, then why do it? It's just political correctness." No... not really. The truth is, there's a big talent pool out there, and excluding talented actors because of a default decision made 40 years ago feels wrong to me.

Before this conversation began, I didn't really have much opinion about Spider-Man and the casting. I hear they're getting closer and closer to choosing Josh Hutcherson, and he's even evidently shot some tests for the film. I'm not sure if they've had anyone else in front of the camera yet, but with Hutcherson, they've already seen him in action, an important part of making the choice. Hutcherson's fine. He's a decent actor, and he might be able to pull off wise-ass in a way that Maguire never could. But is he the absolute best actor for the part?

Until Sony is willing to consider ALL actors for the part... and until fandom gets over their preoccupations with surface characteristics... we won't know, because the playing field remains uneven. In cases where race doesn't add or subtract anything from a character, it is my sincere wish that casting directors and studios would simply look past skin color and judge talent. It won't happen on this film, and I guarantee we're all talking about this more than the studio ever will, but that's still what I wish.

In a perfect world, every conversation about Glover as Spider-Man would be focused on his work, his talent, his ability to handle an action scene, and whether or not Sony would consider him "bankable." Instead, here we are in the year 2010, seriously debating whether or not the color on the outside of someone has anything whatsoever to do with the character within. Seems like a real shame to me.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 09:08 (thirteen years ago) link

But Peter Parker is a lower-middle class kid, living in Queens, with extended family because his parents have passed, and he's kind of an outcast (or semi-invisible at the very least) among his peer group. Not to generalize, but that sounds more like a minority role than a traditional whitebread role to me.

Just for the record, there is no one more visible in a group of friends/people than the token minority.

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

what in that excerpt implies that a black Peter Parker would have to be a lone minority among a group of white people?

Truollmas (some dude), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Donald Glover, who you used to be able to follow on Twitter under his name @donglover (and, yes, he knows exactly how else you can read that)

haha omg

Truollmas (some dude), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Next time someone tells you America's got problems with race, you can point out that at least in this country, we seem to have room for actors of many ethnic and racial backgrounds, while internationally (Europe is evidently the worst about this), that is not true at all.

pedantic but seems like a daft comparison given the significantly smaller market scale and socio-cultural context behind most european film industries plus varying population ratios of ethnic minorities within them.

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link

hed probably be great but theres really nothing at this point that could get me excited about a new spider man movie

max, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

what in that excerpt implies that a black Peter Parker would have to be a lone minority among a group of white people?

he's kind of an outcast (or semi-invisible at the very least) among his peer group. Not to generalize, but that sounds more like a minority role than a traditional whitebread role to me.

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

wld have a lot more issues with a fat 40 year old playing spiderman than anything to do with peter parker's skin colour.

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i think we've moved beyond the tracy jordan thing

truff sqwad (history mayne), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

which is really a shame

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

i was responding to the kevin james rumours tbh

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

not the black spiderman you had in mind huh

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

That is on BP's conscience.

ô_o (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

hed probably be great but theres really nothing at this point that could get me excited about a new spider man movie

THIS.

Cunga, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Spider-Man as portrayed by Scarlett Johansson in a bikini

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

All I care is that Peter Parker has Bieber hair and/or is Bieber

da croupier, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

if that happens, all I will care about is hunting you down and pummeling you for putting that bug in someone's ear

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

omg #bieber4spiderman

some dude, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

you guys

NO

bageled by dementeds (HI DERE), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

It's the only possible way.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

#bieber4gwenstacy

ô_o (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

must happen

LINGO FROM THE BURGER KING KIDS CLUB (latebloomer), Wednesday, 2 June 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Oh well.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

*shrug*

Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link

As much as I like Donald Glover and think he could do well in a Raimi-style Spider-Man film, the way they're building this one up (kind of in the Twilight mold), it wouldn't be a good fit. And will almost certainly be a terrible film.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

He's 27 and they want him to play a high school student? What is this, Glee?

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 2 July 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link

...maybe THIS is the Spider-Man musical.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

If I had to pick someone from the Facebook movie to play Spiderman, I'd have gone with the guy who plays Zuckerberg.

James Mitchell, Friday, 2 July 2010 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link

He's 27 and they want him to play a high school student? What is this, Glee?

only a year older than tobey maguire was

the most horrifying moment in shallow grave (abanana), Friday, 2 July 2010 05:01 (thirteen years ago) link

too soon for a reboot

the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Friday, 2 July 2010 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

^OTM. Yaaaaawn

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

The trailer is trying way too hard to be dark and emo a la Nolan.

online pinata store (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link


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