Assail The Unassailable: Jean Gabin

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Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Martin Skidmore's favorite actor, according to the archives.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 03:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This thread was almost called TS: Michel Simon vs. Jean Gabin.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 7 September 2006 03:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

moontide is one goofy flick, f. lang got canned pretty early on in favor of archie "journeyman" mayo, but there's an early scene in a bar that definitely has lang's touch all over it. but gabin is good in it despite the slightness/weirdness of the material and ida lupino is also great as always. i haven't seen his other american exile picture. that's about as close to dud as i can get because he's f_ing classic

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 7 September 2006 03:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
the French Spencer Tracy, with bit of Mitchum.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Not even he could redeem Jean Renoir's last couple of movies. To extend the Tracy analogy, he looked as bored as Spence did in those Kramer epics.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tracy's great in GWCTD?, and Gabin the same in French Cancan, you cynic. (no JR-JG collabs after that, no?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Why the French Spencer Tracy, Morbs? I hear this a lot but mostly what I see in common is their hair. I'd say he's more of a Cagney/Bogart amalgam.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

French Can-Can: yawn, except for his dancing.

The sexy indolence is closer to Mitchum, methinks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Fair enough, but Tracy? Gabin is a working class, say-it-like-it-is tough guy with a big romantic streak. Would you say that about Spence?

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That's exactly how I view his perfs in those movies with Hepburn!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

!!?? Tracy isn't working class, he's middle class. He's regularly far more polite than any Gabin character and he's certainly better at humor.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In his early movies (San Francisco and those Borzage pics in particular) he most definitely played proles. As he aged and the tummy expanded it was difficult for him to look working-class.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yep, the Tracy I'm thinking of is the more working-class, frequently embittered one of the '30s: Fury, Man's Castle etc.

I don't know that Gabin is ever better than in Quai des Brumes.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah but in 'San Francisco' he's a priest. Can you imagine Gabin as a sincere priest?

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

morbs & alfred otm re: early spencer - check out Man's Castle & Dante's Inferno for starters

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But he's an Irish priest! In early Hollywood this meant salt-of-the-earth.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not referring to his class so much as his morals. He could never play as louche and free a character as Gabin. Tracy was devoutly Catholic, irl.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

anyone else seen gueule d'amour? very very erotic w/gabin. sort of omnisexual too.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He could never play as louche and free a character as Gabin

well, a lot of the movies gabin made aren't conceivable in hollywood terms without radical alterations.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What about pre-code, Amateurist?

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

precode preschmode, i don't think anything in pre-1960s hw'd cinema is as explicit as parts of quai des brumes or gueule d'amour or le recif de corail. the french cinema was able to be a lot more (overtly) amoral than the american cinema.

i like what renoir has to say about gabin in the former's autobio. he says that while he worked w/gabin on several films he never got to know him as a private person--despite this, he is 100% "sure we shared the same tastes." he also says gabin was one of the calmest actors he'd worked with, which i believe.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i mean in one early scene in gueule d'amour gabin is picked up by balin, and they start undressing each other w/in a few minutes of going back to her place. in the morning she receives a call from another boyfriend as gabin gets up from their bed, nude, and walks across the room in a towel to take a bath.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i mean, parallels to amerian actors/personas can be drawn but i think what's most interesting about this exercise is imagining how gabin acts out some of the fantasies that in hollywood terms would have to be imagined by the audience.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What about pre-code
Mike, you never saw that Jean Gabin/Barbara Stanwyck pic about office politics on the Seine?

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tracy was devoutly Catholic

wasn't that MRS. Tracy, hence the 25-year affair w/ Kate?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What about pre-code
Mike, you never saw that Jean Gabin/Barbara Stanwyck pic about office politics on the Seine?

No! Do please tell.

I don't know, Morbs. It's the gf who's the huge movie buff and who's read every bio on the planet but that's the way I remember hearing it. I wouldn't massively surprised if I were wrong.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No! Do please tell
I'm afraid it's lost, Mikey, in the caverns of my mind.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

M. White is right about Tracy's Catholicism. It was of the tortured, Joycean kind -- the very best.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

very exciting restoration of Le Jour Se Leve, most complete version since '39

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-marcel-carnes-le-jour-se-leve

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 November 2014 20:42 (four years ago) Permalink

^^^ wow at this!
That Richard Brody quote in the Fandor article
is so...over the top, though. I like RB alright but think he often lapses into an enthusiastic overinterpretation of the subjects at hand.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

The dialogue on Daybreak is wonderful, its like the writers got bored of the noir snappy back-and-forth, cut the jokes down and started thinking about the implications. So what is hidden beneath the relationship between the brute and the femme fatale and so on and forth.

I didn't know scenes were removed by the censor, otherwise I'd call the restoration pointless.

Having seen a few Gabin films now I'd say he is a marvel for the ages but you almost want to see him where he isn't a simpleton 'brute' etc. Plays it so well as has that presence so idk.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:47 (four years ago) Permalink

On the UK DVD commentary track for The Medusa Touch, director Jack Gold talks about Lino Ventura, one of the film's stars. Ventura was a friend of Jean Gabin, and he told Gold that Gabin had it written into his contracts that he would always have one scene in a film where he lost his temper. I don't know the truth of this - but it is funny to watch Gabin blow his top in film after film with this in mind.

He's quite dapper - a silver fox - and not at all brutish in French CanCan, which also got a BFI-funded digital presentation a couple of years ago, and looked glorious.

Last year's revival of Quai des Brumes happily corrected my feeling that I didn't like Carne/Prevert, based on an unhappy experience with Enfants Du Paradis a few years ago (too 'theatrical' for my taste, or something). I thought Le Jour Se Leve was just a notch down from Quai, tho' Arletty's topless scene in LJSL, brief but clearly erotic and 'daring' in intent, is genuinely startling because you can't imagine anything similar in American or British cinema from the same time.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 15 November 2014 18:25 (four years ago) Permalink

only seen him in touchez pas au grisbi, and the grand illusion, but absolutely A+++ in both obv (sorry, i fail at this question)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 15 November 2014 19:03 (four years ago) Permalink

tracer, you should see pepe le moko!

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 15 November 2014 22:00 (four years ago) Permalink

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TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 15 November 2014 22:01 (four years ago) Permalink

my favorite gabin performance is probably in "gueule d'amour" -- that's on a French DVD w/o subtitles,if you can go for that

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 15 November 2014 22:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Tracer? He is an old hand at French, iirc.

Yes to Pepe. Also earlier forgot to mention his key appearance in Mon oncle d'Amerique.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 15 November 2014 22:32 (four years ago) Permalink

i'm almost certain I've seen Gueule d'Amour at some point in the last 20 years

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

like, when Elliott Stein wrote this in 2002 for a LincCtr retro:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-06-25/film/oedipus-in-overalls/

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:27 (four years ago) Permalink

“When François, besieged by armed officers, screams, ‘I want peace! Peace!,’ he seems to speak for a panic-stricken nation.”

Charles Taylor would approve

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:33 (four years ago) Permalink

oh hey, Gd'A is showing Sunday night in Queens! Great more stuff I have to see *pulls hair out*.

http://www.movingimage.us/visit/calendar/2014/11/23/detail/gueule-damour-lady-killer

I didn't know JG did several Inspector Maigret films.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, you have to see that. the sexual politics are pretty retrograde (although in an enjoyably bonkers way), but it's extraordinary.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 11:43 (four years ago) Permalink

I did in fact see Gueule d'Amour 12 years ago, and again last night -- and it's not all that good imho. The audience, esp a couple of senior grayheads next to me, chortled through most of it like a Lubitsch comedy; the last 15 mins, not so much. 16mm print, kinda tired; maybe I just wasn't in the mood. Gabin really did look worn and older in the third act though.

Saw Jour se Leve earlier in the day, that's fine... still prefer Port of Shadows.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 November 2014 19:38 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Saw a late (1970) Gabin vehicle yesterday, La Horse -- he's a farm patriarch who goes rather Charles Bronson when his grandson's drug deal brings urban baddies onto his land. It could be read as reactionary, but I think it's better than that. Minor but worth a look.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:01 (two years ago) Permalink

Has a great Gainsbourg score as well! I think it was Gabin's final film?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Sitting through a few films at the Gabin retrospective at the Cinematheque Français this March has been one of the good things about this shitty year for me.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:52 (two years ago) Permalink

nope -- he has seven more credits in '71-76. xp

Serge score is amusing but a little distracting at times.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 July 2016 15:55 (two years ago) Permalink

anyone know this early Duvivier film?

http://filmforum.org/film/la-bandera-les-durs-film

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 20:28 (two years ago) Permalink

No idea

Turn On Your Mike Lovelight (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 20:40 (two years ago) Permalink

on YT w/ no subtitles; i guess i will go to Film Forum at 6:15

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 20:49 (two years ago) Permalink

La Bandera -- Yeah it's good! Foreign Legion fun and whorehouse hijinks.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 2 August 2016 21:44 (two years ago) Permalink

yes, it's def fun, but the last third has a few too many FL movie cliches. Also a homoerotic Les Miz vibe.

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 19:54 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Been watching a lot of Jean Gabin movies lately and am thoroughly convinced that Gabin had the best (frequently employed!) face slap technique in film history. Crisp, businesslike, startling out-of-the-box speed, resounding volume, filling-rattling impact, impeccable form. 10/10

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a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Jean Gabin: If you haven't seen Rififi (1959) or Razzia Sur le Chnouf (1955), do so at your first opportunity.

I thought Le Jour Se Leve was just a notch down from Quai, tho' Arletty's topless scene in LJSL, brief but clearly erotic and 'daring' in intent, is genuinely startling because you can't imagine anything similar in American or British cinema from the same time.

Ann Dvorak definitely doesn't do anything like that in The Long Night (1947), the bowdlerized American remake.

Spencer Tracy: Supposedly all his early Fox Films have been scheduled for preservation and restoration. The question is will any of those titles ever be seen outside MoMA and a few film festivals (and will Goldie ever be pried out of that collector's hands).

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 00:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Can’t find it in this thread through Zing but I seem to recall some story that at some point he would demand for every film that the writers come up with a scenery chewing meltdown somewhere in the scenario for him.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 00:55 (one week ago) Permalink


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