Sarko vs. Royal, Don't Read if You Don't Give A Phoque About French Presidential Politics

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She looked pretty cool during the debate, I thought.

― baaderonixx, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

you start out giving your hat, then you give your coat, then your shirt, then your skin and finally your soul

― RJG, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

More rioting this evening, according to Le Figaro.

― Cathy, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Cu9187tCY

― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Nicholas and Tony, sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g...

― Ned Trifle II, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

ohlala, blair's accent is unbearable, i mean, he clearly has worked on it, but it's so anglophone.. hahaha

― daria-g, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I might be proud of them for rioting. I'd have to read more about it though.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link

ohlala, blair's accent is unbearable, i mean, he clearly has worked on it, but it's so anglophone.. hahaha

Possibly, but at least Blair speaks French. Sarkozy doesn't speak English. Which seems quite bizarre, in this day and age.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Did Chirac speak English?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. Not spectacularly well, but good enough to be interviewed on CNN.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Cartoon in a Belgian paper today: "celebratory fires after Sarkozy's election"

http://i16.tinypic.com/4p3rywm.jpg

― StanM, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:14 (sixteen years ago) link

;_;

― kv_nol, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link

French people be riotin'

― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 10:45 (sixteen years ago) link

politicians should study Sarko's campaign.

how the f*ck a right-wing candidate, after decades of conservative rule, could position himself as the guy who will shake up the status quo - i mean it's a coup of logic. it's amazing.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Which US republicans are going to be cribbing his style?

― Ed, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Because he is presenting himself as a radical (neo-liberal) right-winger and not a conservative right-winger?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:12 (sixteen years ago) link

It has to be said that Chirac/Villepin played the meme as well, presenting themselves as some sort of continuity and upholders of the "French model", leaving Sarkozy to run with "rupture".

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 11:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/205/489916019_e1cc6e1b99_o.jpg

― Ed, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

how the f*ck a right-wing candidate, after decades of conservative rule, could position himself as the guy who will shake up the status quo - i mean it's a coup of logic. it's amazing.

Blair managed it.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude! What's with the gurn?

http://i13.tinypic.com/4yiv5f4.jpg http://i10.tinypic.com/67gyfxi.jpg

― StanM, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 11:26 (sixteen years ago) link

This made me feel a bit better.

Sarkozy does look like something out of Asterix and Obelix there. What's wrong with hus teeth one wonders.

― kv_nol, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link

"I don't see myself as First Lady - the whole idea bores me "

hilarious! I hope she said it with sunglasses posed on the end of her nose and puffed a cigarette for punctuation. She's a sexy lady

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

i think stevem, should be told, about this thread.

-- That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 23:43 (1 week ago)

?

― blueski, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link

NRQ just wanted you to be up to speed with French politics. Nice chap.

― kv_nol, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

most odd.

― blueski, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link

i had this somewhat explained to me yesterday! and read some of a french mainstream news magazine in which there were also political cartoons.

however, i still have no patience for politics/politicians or conversations abt politics :/
am into issues. e.g., i cannot believe the french educational system

― rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link

What's wrong with the French educational system?

― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link

parents are responsible for their kids until they are 25 yrs old, everyone pretty much has to go to some kind of post-highschool education even though it may be of dubious quality and sometimes only there to keep kids 'off the streets' or off welfare, yet when they graduate they can't nec find a job in their field (unemployment is high despite 'educated' workers), more minor but ugh - kids get a half-day on wednesday but have to go to school on saturday, etc.

basically that the bureaucracy seems out of hand/control, to me, but i am not french obv and am increasingly frustrated by bureaucracy in general. and obv i do not know a lot abt french politics in the first place, so in fact am not actually criticizing but rather am just being 'whoa' about it from my own point of view and am actually spending my criticism dollars on the canadian system.

― rrrobyn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Tom D. that's a good point.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

But sort of tautological.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Certainly the left is as capable of 'conservatism' as much as the right, inasmuch as they wish to conserve the 'acquis sociaux' and don't wish to liberalize labor, pension, and other laws. Considering that the Gaullist right and the socialist left have both been less than enthusiastic about free-trade and laissez-faire economics, portraying oneself as more libertarian economically can be seen as more 'reformist' if you buy that narrative. Lots of French people do, apparently, but I think by American or British standards, Sarko is more of a Blair than a Thatcher.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

"how the f*ck a right-wing candidate, after decades of conservative rule, could position himself as the guy who will shake up the status quo - i mean it's a coup of logic. it's amazing."

bob roberts!!

― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

sarko otm:

http://emmanuelle-romania2004.buzznet.com/user/photos/?id=12677001

― gff, Friday, 27 July 2007 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha ha!

― Michael White, Friday, 27 July 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Well <a href="http://tracerhand.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/french-dna-testing-for-immigrants/";>this</a> is a novel idea. (Note shameless spamming.)

I think the reason I'm not doing commentary on that site is that stuff like this honestly just leaves me speechless.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link

GAH

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:33 (sixteen years ago) link

this

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link

And like I said, speechless.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link

It is all sarkozy's Fault

― Ed, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I really would love to know what they imagine will be done from a privacy standpoint with this data.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 14 September 2007 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

bump

― iatee, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

Hollande - 28%, Sarko - 26%, friggin 20% for Marine Le Pen.

― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

11% for mélenchon has to be disappointing really

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

meanwhile the front national votes are just terrifying

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

What's really terrifying is how the other candidates will have to woo their electorate. Even Royal was after them this evening.

― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Sunday, 22 April 2012 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

If you add up Sarko+FN+some proportion of Bayrou it's easy to get to 50% - that's what the right have to aim for. However, it seems that around 20% of Le Pen voters say they'll vote PS and a sizeable chunk of protest voters will abstain. I heard on the news that Sarkozy has asked for three TV debates over the next two weeks - he obviously knows he has to do *something* to shake things up.

― You always tell me: "Perhacs Perhacs Perhacs" (seandalai), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

The official LaRouche candidate failed to seize the moment, alas.

― You always tell me: "Perhacs Perhacs Perhacs" (seandalai), Sunday, 22 April 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

Cheminade is a wacko

― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Sunday, 22 April 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link

Le Pen won't say who to vote for in the runoff but she has said she wants Hollande to in. She intends for the FN to become the opposition to the 'ultraliberal, laxist, libertarian' Socialists

― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Sunday, 22 April 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

that 1.5% gap seems like it probably 'matters' a lot in terms of narrative

― iatee, Monday, 23 April 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

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