The German language

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ja natürlich!

popchips: the next snapple? (seandalai), Monday, 2 June 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

Pretty essential infographic:
How to Name Animals in German

Though sadly not covering Dickmaulrüssler-territory.

the europan nikon is here (grauschleier), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link

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Original meaning of "toll" is closer to "crazy", which makes tollpatschig an even cooler word.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link

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Keypad slipped into Deutsch mode and "overcome" was autocorrected to Obervolta and Obertönen.

You Better Go Ahn (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 October 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link

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Received a report from my German teacher which concludes "deine Fortschritte ist unverkennbar", except I spent a good couple of minutes staring at it because my first attempt at deciphering the handwriting was "...unverzeihbar"

club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 14 December 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link

my favourite recently discovered german word

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konfokalmikroskop

Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Sunday, 14 December 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link

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Here is a weird translation thing. If you look up the word "die Wanze" in a German-English dictionary it merely says "bug." But if you look it up in a German-only dictionary it seems to be more specific, that it is a flat, blood or sap-sucking insect.

I am not BLECCH (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 March 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link

Huh. DE -> NO dictionary gives what I'll literally translate to English as "wall louse".
Wikipedia DE's Wanzen page points to this English page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteroptera

Heteroptera is a group of about 40,000 species of insects in the order Hemiptera. Sometimes called "true bugs",[1] that name more commonly refers to Hemiptera as a whole, and "typical bugs" might be used as a more unequivocal alternative since among the Hemiptera the heteropterans are most consistently and universally termed "bugs".

…. wow – the power of words ! (Øystein), Sunday, 1 March 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link

Learned about this word the other day: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompetenz-Kompetenz

kriss akabusi cleaner (seandalai), Sunday, 1 March 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link

THanks, Øystein. Guess I should have thought to look at DE Wiki. Actually one reason I decided to start to stabilize my German is I had reached a dead end with the the Scandinavian languages.

I am not BLECCH (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 March 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link

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funkelnagelneu

Where is the Brilliant Friend's Home? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

Kugelkopfschreibmaschine

Where is the Brilliant Friend's Home? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

Kuckucksuhr

Where is the Brilliant Friend's Home? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link

Kuddelmuddel

Where is the Brilliant Friend's Home? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_placeholder_names_by_language#German

hard to pick one but even on this i found myself bustin up at weitfortistan

j., Sunday, 31 May 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link

Reichhaltige Sammlung.

the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Sunday, 31 May 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link

"The German equivalent to the English John Doe for males and Jane Doe for females would be Max Mustermann (Max Specimen) and Erika Mustermann, respectively."

Erika Mustermann! lol. I had no idea. I did know that Erika is considered a grandma name in Germany but this is pretty funny.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link

Erica Specimen should be my new alias.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link

i'm not sure about the reasoning behind that one. i think it should be the equivalent of 'anne sample' and the like (which you do see on anglo id-card samples); so there must be other 'jane doe' equivalents?

j., Monday, 1 June 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link

There's my friend Rainer Fahrzeit, who tells you how long a trip should take if traffic is normal and you don't take breaks.

Three Word Username, Monday, 1 June 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link

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when i took a tiny bit of academic german for grad school i heard of instructors who, for feminist reasons, would not teach noun gender and would use the relevant personal pronouns indifferently (or maybe they preferred one to the others, i don't know). of course this was regarded as pedagogically dubious, radical, etc.

given its much more rigorous official standards (duden as centralized authority, uptight speakers in general etc), how has a thing like deliberate contra-grammatical shifts in pronoun usage—'they' instead of 'she' or 'he' for trans subjects or anyone who elects that it be used—been being received in german?

five years ago i taught at a private college, religiously identified but quite liberal, and never heard anything remotely in that direction from administration or anyone else. i just started teaching at a different private college, no less liberal but significantly more secular, and i got some student-elected-pronoun-usage-guidelines thrown in with all the other (optional) policy language that was dumped on me during 'onboarding'.

j., Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

A national newspaper in Germany (taz) uses ...Innen forms. I think it's still seen as something belonging to the left, even though, govt agencies sometimes use varieties of it.

For those who aren't familiar: there's no simple gender neutral way to refer to a group of people, e.g. the voters = die Wähler implies a group of men. There's a long neutral form: Die Wähler und Wählerinnen (the voters and voteresses), and this is sometimes abbreviated (as by taz) to WählerInnen, Wähler/innen, Wähler*innen.

I can't imagine how gender neutrality could work in speech, like, when referring to a significant other, you can't say mein/e Freund/in

Vasco da Gama, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link

i was always struck by the fact that job ads have to say Xer/erin

and 'eine Freundin von mir'

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link

you could put a stop in there

mein…e freund…in

would be funky

j., Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

The plural inclusive form (WählerInnen) is gaining a fair amount of ground and is no longer strictly a form used by the Left, but it also remains controversial.

Grammatical gender is not understood as human gender -- the pronoun "es" for "das Mädchen" doesn't sound the same as calling a girl "it" would in English, pencils are not thought of as male and fountain pens are not thought of as female. It remains a little tricky for me as an English native speaker even after all these years over here.

There is feminist writing in German on gender in German, but it's not tumblriffic popular stuff.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

oh right i know it's not understood that way, i just figured, that might be an illuminating parallel

i read a cantankerous academic thortpiece complaining about being asked to start using 'they' instead of 'he' or 'she' in english, and the author appealed to the grammatical unnaturalities, a lame argument but one that it seems is bound to have some traction the more widely people are asked to change language-use habits

j., Tuesday, 29 September 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link

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"... and do you have the name of the book you're looking for, sir?"

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516VVPSKMWL._SX351_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2015 14:12 (eight years ago) link

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Good piece: https://theconversation.com/why-the-german-language-has-so-many-great-words-55554

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:23 (eight years ago) link

It is full of German words.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:23 (eight years ago) link

kopfkino
weltschmerz

home organ, Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:36 (eight years ago) link

Great article, thanks.

Have never heard kopfkino before. Pantoffelkino though, I am familiar with.

Jesperson, I think we're lost (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 10 March 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link

Aztekenexpresszuggesellschaft

SIGSALY Can't Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 March 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link

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Volksverhetzung

Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 8 December 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link

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Großkotz

Wes Brodicus, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link

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Lebenslüge

Wes Brodicus, Friday, 20 April 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link

Ooh, Ibsen! The Norwegian word is Livsløgn.
"Tar De livsløgnen fra et gennemsnitsmenneske, så tar De lykken fra ham med det samme"

~= If you take the life-lie from the average man, you take his happiness with it.

Øystein, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:17 (six years ago) link

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geschmäcklerisch
(pejorative) pretentiously faddish, arrogantly contemptuous of tastes other than one’s own

Wes Brodicus, Sunday, 20 May 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link

can anyone explain the difference between "hierhin" and "hierher"?? struggling w/ this at the moment

also the position of "nicht" in a sentence :/

groovemaaan, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link

"Hierher" points in the speaker's general direction, while "hierhin" points towards a specific place near the speaker. A politician talking about refugees would say they are coming "hierher" (to his country) but not "hierhin" (to his podium).

It's the subtlest of distinctions and most Germans use those terms interchangably.

I don't know about "nicht" because I'm a positive person.

oder doch?, Sunday, 3 June 2018 09:17 (five years ago) link

thanks for your answer!

but doesn't "hin" indicate that someone is moving away from the speaker? i.e. "wohin gehst du?"
which would make "hierhin" kind of contradictory...?

groovemaaan, Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link

"Hierher" is tautological, indicating a larger area / broader meaning. Cf. "vielmehr".
Imagine the speaker pointing "hin" to a specific spot.

Good luck with hinstellen & herstellen!

oder doch?, Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link

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Hai, der!

And Nobody POLLS Like Me (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 June 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

"Hierher" points in the speaker's general direction, while "hierhin" points towards a specific place near the speaker. A politician talking about refugees would say they are coming "hierher" (to his country) but not "hierhin" (to his podium).

It's the subtlest of distinctions and most Germans use those terms interchangably.


Korean totally has this too I just forget what it is in Hangul

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 June 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link

Like “here, where we are” and “here, where I am”

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 June 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link

Yes, functionally it's a little like the difference between "come here" and "come to me".

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 06:39 (five years ago) link

Japanese also has this distinction but in the other direction: それ “that” for things closer to the lister and あれ “that” for things far way from both speaker and listener.

Just landed in Munich and was complemented on my german by the immigration officer.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link

Spanish has the same thing you mention Ed, with 'este, ese, aquel' being 'this, that, that over there' (plus other corresponding forms eg esta, esos, aquellas etc).

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link

The Plain People of Ireland: Isn’t the German very like the Irish? Very guttural and so on?
Myself: Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: People say that the German language and the Irish language is very guttural tongues.
Myself: Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: The sounds is all guttural do you understand.
Myself: Yes.
The Plain People of Ireland: Very guttural languages the pair of them the Gaelic and the German.

oder doch?, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link


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