'Children of Men', the new Alfonso Cuaron sci-fi flick

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I really like the look of this, though I wish they hadn't lazily splattered everything with Sigur Ros:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/childrenofmen/

Good cast, too.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it from the PD James book?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link

It would seem so.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
i've just read about this in time out. holy bloody fuck it sounds AWESOME, and i'm going to see it next week if i have time. anyone seen it/wants to come?

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link

it does look awesome as fuck.

EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

They've been trailing it heavily on film four and it look brilliant. I want to see it but have no time next week.

Ed (dali), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link

it's really, really great. very tense, very exciting, incredibly well-shot and with some very compelling characters, and a killer plot. very bleak too. its future seems very present - like we could easily find ourselves living in such a dystopia, given environmental, political and cultural conflicts occurring right now.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks stevie! oohhhhh now i wish i wasn't busy this weekend. i suspect i will love this so much i'll end up seeing it more than once on its initial run and a couple more times when it hits the prince charles. ok it's on at the genesis next week, i'm there.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i'll add that you should see this in a cinema with a great sound system, as the gunshot effects are terrifically powerful. my mate sophie was LEAPING out of her seat at different points - the tension is tight.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I was thinking it sounded a lot like Y: The Last Man, I'd never heard of the PD James book. I am totally down for it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I caught this at a preview on Wednesday and was very impressed, although it was actually quite different to what I was expecting; the plot is very focussed on Clive Owen's character's "journey" and the wider backstory is implied without being given much explanation or detail. I also thought that the cast was *slightly* underutilised, especially Chiwetel Ejiofor and Julianne Moore. A great character turn from Michael Caine does something to make up for this though.

That said, Owen is really excellent, he carries the film with a kind of sullen, drunken, physicality that work very well indeed especially given that for much of the action the camera is lurking behind his shoulder and simply following him. On which note, the cinematography is simply stunning, easily the best I've seen this year. Without laying on any spoilers, there are two one-take shots which left me mouth-agape with amazement.

It is incredibly visceral in parts, and makes for pretty uncomfortable viewing. I got the impression that Cuaron's depiction of a ruined England only a few years hence was actually a comment on the dire state of so many cities in the world right now. There's a savage immediacy to the film that makes it very compelling viewing and I'm keen to see it again.

Bill A (Bill A), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm worried about this being another 'code 46' but i guess peeps' reactions on this thread have my hopes up a bit?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link

I've seen the trailer a few times and thought it looked a bit mish, low budget and the sort of thing that would do respectably well but not be anything special. Then *everyone* started banging on about it. I didn't like the animal-like portrayal of the pregnant woman. I don't think she says a word in the trailer, iirc, you just get a big old shot of her belly.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't like the animal-like portrayal of the pregnant woman. I don't think she says a word in the trailer, iirc, you just get a big old shot of her belly.

but that's just the surprise-reveal of the trailer, innit? "IN A WORLD WHERE WOMEN ARE ALL BARREN" and then oh, hang on, she definitely seems pregnant...

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I will be watching this next Orange Wednesday.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, but it was kind of lots of white people fretting and fighting but the black lady has a baby but she's still not important to get a line and maybe it's just the trailer and not the film as a whole but I still got a weird feeling watching it.

Pfft, I'm judging something I haven't seen. I'll see it and then I'll tell you what I think.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, but it was kind of lots of white people fretting and fighting but the black lady has a baby but she's still not important to get a line and maybe it's just the trailer and not the film as a whole but I still got a weird feeling watching it.

***POSSIBLE SPOILER??***

i think its just the trailer - the pregnant girl is a 'non-english' refugee in a film where 'non-english' refugees are all being locked up, which is why the white people are fretting about her. she talks a fair bit in the film.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I read the book when I was about 17 but don't remember there being a racial element in there. Might be wrong though.

As I remember the ending of the book was k-rub and the film will have its work cut out to make it less so.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm worried about this being another 'code 46''

haha, me too! that's the first thing i thought when i saw the trailer.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I read the book when I was about 17 but don't remember there being a racial element in there.

i think i've read it too but it's v hazy as it was around the time it came out (93?), i think we were on holiday and i ran out of my own reading material and started on my parents'. i do remember loving it, but i always love bleak dystopic stuff set in the future so that means nothing. in the time out interview cuaron says he wanted it to feel like it is/could be happening now, so maybe they added some race/refugee stuff in there...

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

omg the bloody TRAILER is giving me shivers and making my eyes do tears. and i think i'm gonna love that they've lazily splattered everything with sigur ros, too.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

first half - fantastic, up there with the best of anything i've seen this year. great acting/plot/cinematography/soundtrack etc etc. it all went very downhill once they went off to bexhill it all went downhill, sadly. way too much boring gun battle action, no plot twists/revelations etc. very disappointing.

so, a bit of a mixed bag overall. i think this was the first pd james novel that i didn't read, so i have no idea how it compared to the book - was that similarly lame towards the end?

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

great acting/plot/cinematography/soundtrack

oh dear, am i praising a load of sigur ros now? even the soundtrack went downhill in the 2nd half, loads of john tavener nonsense, i think.

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

in the time out interview cuaron says he wanted it to feel like it is/could be happening now

It WAS supposed to be happening now, or at least as close to now as makes it relevant (ie 2010 or something). I remember there being references to Neighbours and so forth that doubtless won't get anywhere near the film.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

thankfully there's no sigur ros in the actual film.
interesting use of music though.. and stay til the end for a pertinent use of Jarvis Cocker's new one.

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Monday, 25 September 2006 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link

So who's actually coming to this? Genesis some time this week, I have a second person who would prefer come to this earlier rather than later in the week but may not be able to come anyway. How's tomorrow at 6.15?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think i can wait until thursday. but i HAVE to do some work tonight. and it's four quid on wednesdays. i might have to go tomorrow. but if it is as good as i think it's going to be i might come again on thursday anyway.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link

It's weird, I dreamed about this film, despite never having seen it. (Though a lot of my dream was disgruntled "why is it called children of MEN when it's women that have the children?")

I never want to see films, but I rather want to see this one. Can't do any time this week, though - I might go and see it in Streatham on Saturday if it's still playing.

Cabal Of Secret Chefs (kate), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link

This was great all the way through. The gun battles weren't boring at all, but some of the most kinetic and convincing I've ever seen - it was great how they weren't about the combatants so much as the chaos of being caught in the crossfire. There were some pretty yawning plot holes (why are they so sure that the semi-mythical Human Project will be any more scrupulous than The Fish?) but with direction this good I don't really give a shit.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

i think i've read it too but it's v hazy as it was around the time it came out (93?), i think we were on holiday and i ran out of my own reading material and started on my parents'

Hah, that's exactly the same reason I read it too.

Yes, it would have been about '93 at the latest, because it was when I was on holiday with my parents in Kent, and '93 or '94 was the last year that we did that.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 September 2006 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Flip flops and narrative economy what more could you want?

Pandas At War (pandas at war), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:39 (thirteen years ago) link

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emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 28 September 2006 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link

this was AWESOME.

there are one or two scenes where the acting's a bit cheesy but it kind of worked as a foil for all the unrelenting grimness, i am not let down.

we went to barbican in the end so the sound was wicked.

i will not spoilerise, so if you haven't seen it's safe to keep reading.

it's creepy as hell how cuaron's depiction of london in 2027 is pretty much exactly how my own head pictures it (and plenty of other people i'm sure) - advancements technologically but used for regression of society (eg the bloodyfuckingirritating advertising screens we have in buses now are used for urging people to "DOB YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES IN FOR BEING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS", there are security checkpoints on the tube - "you are now entering zone 2" - guards with kickass guns and "please present your ID cards" (ho ho except not really), even bigger gaps between the rich and the poor - that scene in battersea power station is nuts. all that "jobs for the brits" stuff was well scary and made me think of the usa now. the montage of all the countries that had given up while "britain soldiers on" summed up the desperation of "soldiering on" - i mean bloody hell, what FOR? lots of really nice touches like the evening standard boards (if you keep an eye out for the details in this film you'll be well rewarded, i'm sure there was loads of stuff i missed but still), some that'll work for everyone, some that were personal - like this grubby little bridge they cross at one point is one i have crossed lots and lots of times. i loved how they did the music in jasper's house too. i was in bleak mood even when i went in, this didn't help (or helped immensely, depending on how you look at it), i left the cinema shaking, LOVED it start to finish and the human race can go fuck itself hurrah.

um i haven't completely processed it yet, i def want to see it again, perhaps not too soon, it was kind of hard going. in a good way.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Most of the things I feel about this film have already been said, but it is PHENOMENAL.

"Emotionally draining" is the best I can sum it up with.

Sound engineering is spot-on, too, as is the no-holds-barred approach to the violence.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Now I really want to see it. Anyone fancy it at the Streatham Odeon (or even the Brixton Ritzy) on Saturday afternoon?

We Are The Village Green Psychiatric Society (kate), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, and the attention to detail too--like emsk said, watching closely is very rewarding.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link

WHY WAS THE PIG THERE PLS? i mean i know what it's from, but was it just a joke or what?

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 28 September 2006 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I assumed the pig was there as a nod to any Pink Floyd fans watching - it looked suspiciously CGI-ey to me, so I guess they didn't actually recreate / borrow the original inflatable?

Bill A (Bill A), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link

WHY WAS THE PIG THERE PLS? i mean i know what it's from, but was it just a joke or what?

yeah it's a reference to the cover of pink floyd's animals LP.

http://www.thebestofwebsite.com/Photos/Music/Pink_Floyd/Animals.jpg


the reason it's such a good reference (and therefore not really a joke, as such) is that it's something you can actually imagine happening soon in the version of britain which may have immediately preceded the police state in the film, i.e. britain as it is now. it's not even a stretch to imagine it happening.

my expectations were not particularly high for this (and madchen, the trailer makes it seem like it's going to be a much worse film than it actually is) but i thought it was absolutely brilliant. packed with great moments and scenes: the kitten crawling up clive owen's trousers, him walking around in flip flops because he's left without his shoes; the scene where the five main characters in the film get ambushed after having their path blocked by a burning car; the battersea power station scene just mentioned with the young guy and his ADDish addiction to some transparent version of the internet). There are things which seem like small ideas but which actually make the whole mess seem entirely feasible: the fact that Julianne Moore offers Clive Owen £5,000, which seems a paltry amount of money for something set in the future until we see him stooping to pick up pennies from the street a few scenes later. it's a very clever touch in a very intelligent film. it's also quite thrilling to see something of this scale which is not set in america.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

another great touch: reaily avaiable and advertised suicide kits ("Quietness"?).

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link

also i think it very subtly and cleverly references/anticipates what i think is going to become a huge political issue in the UK in the next few years - the influx of eastern european workers.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link

It reminded me of a lot of things, from Brazil to the more atmospheric computer games - Resident Evil 4 and very very much Halflife 2. In fact the thing that it gets from HL2 (around Bex Hill) is that it's less "What nightmare dystopia is this?" than "Ha ha you're Kosovo now".

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 30 September 2006 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

PS Michael Moore is fantastic - I laughed very loudly at the photo of his as Cartoonist of the Year. Is he supposed to be Theo's dad, or did I make that up?

Haha one of the two errors noted on IMDB is that they get into the wrong kind of fictional bus!

Me and Emsk both thought/hoped the geordie terrorist was going to be Jake from Doctor Who! But it was someone else off Byker Grove instead.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 30 September 2006 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I think Caine's cartoons were by Steve Bell, but you saw them so briefly it was hard to tell.

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Saturday, 30 September 2006 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i saw in the credits that charlie hunnan from queer as folk was in it but i'm not sure who he played.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

hunnam.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

He was the geordie dread.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

ah!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

with the bad breath.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 30 September 2006 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

fucking outstanding

sean gramophone (Sean M), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

j.'s intuition that Agamben may be relevant here is on point but perhaps even more so Esposito, who I remember has written some things about pregnancy (or the relationship between mother and fetus) as modeling a more positive framework for biopolitics. (I'd need to track down the specifics of that though...and I wouldn't be surprised if it was "problematic," as they say.)

― ryan, Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:59 PM (one year ago

haven't looked this up yet but—wouldn't be surprised to see a lotta arendt / natality stuff in there?

j., Friday, 6 March 2020 17:09 (five months ago) link

I think about this movie all the fucking time as horrible shit sweeps the planet like coronavirus. need to rewatch it.

akm, Friday, 6 March 2020 18:21 (five months ago) link

I think I’ve seen it six or seven times now.

Krakow, there’s one scene when he’s on the bus passing through security and the famous image of the hooded man from Abu grhaib is being played out in the background.

Alain the Botton (jed_), Friday, 6 March 2020 18:27 (five months ago) link

Barely even the background, iirc!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 March 2020 18:30 (five months ago) link

Yep, the arrival at Bexhill is a harrowing scene, but not overdone I don't think.

I was noticing this time how well Theo's (functioning) alcohol problem is portrayed. It's never mentioned out loud, but is always right there, from the opening moments stopping to top up his coffee with whisky on the street through his continual furtive sips to finally sterilising his hands with same said whisky before the delivery of the baby. A couple of other moments... when he meets Luke in the pub to pass on the transit papers he ends up with three full pints in front of him and immediately before at the Ark of the Arts with his cousin Nigel there's a whole collection of bottles on the table in front of Theo and he makes sure to take his wine with him when they move to chat at the window. Small things, but I thought they all subtly added up to add authenticity to that part of his character.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 7 March 2020 12:56 (five months ago) link

There's an element of "why bother?" that courses through his character. That's a trait you see in lots of movies, in lots of anti-heroes, but in this one obviously the scenario is such that in a sense such an attitude is at least somewhat justified. He just wants to drink, go about his business and wait to die like everyone else. He's kind of a microcosm of society's collective rock bottom. But unlike a lot of those aforementioned anti-hero characters, we learn he was not always this cynical and broken, we learn how he became this way, which supports his shift to full hero once he gets a glimmer of hope.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 March 2020 14:58 (five months ago) link

Yeah, absolutely. This amazing scene comes immediately to mind in that regard. I love how this is shot with Clive Owen silently breaking down in the foreground as the blurred out conversations happens in the other half of the frame...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8Ho_gZ6RQ

brain (krakow), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:15 (five months ago) link

I fancy Clive Owen.

Alain the Botton (jed_), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:33 (five months ago) link

Not somewhat justified, absolutely justified. And yeah as a mainly straight dude Owen is hawt.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:02 (five months ago) link

i rewatched this last night with friends and we kept talking about owen being hot

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:02 (five months ago) link

also i hadn't seen it in about a decade and what a film. although i did notice how many times owen walked into a room and a character started monologuing at him, like a video game

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:04 (five months ago) link

I only said 'somewhat' justified because this is a world where millions and millions of people have experienced similar tragedies. But yeah, that scene is killer.

I know we've talked about it, but it's hard to believe this movie more or less got ignored. Or for all I know mostly has stayed generally overlooked. It's kind of like the ... Elliott Smith of movies? Sad, tragic, often perfect, but dealt a bad hand by fate. Had to be reminded that "The Departed" won best picture that year (fwiw), but I imagine if the same slate of 2006 films were in play this year, this would have had a better chance of getting nominated, let alone winning. This or "Pan's Labyrinth," perhaps. Though of course both Cuaron and Del Toro got theirs soon enough.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:59 (five months ago) link

the fact that just about everyone who's seen this film watches it multiple times makes that even weirder.

Alain the Botton (jed_), Sunday, 8 March 2020 00:03 (five months ago) link

i used it in a course and quite a few students (so people who were kids when it came out) had seen it before, while also feeling like it overlooked

j., Sunday, 8 March 2020 00:08 (five months ago) link

*was

j., Sunday, 8 March 2020 00:08 (five months ago) link

I saw this in the theatre with a friend at his suggestion shortly after it opened. Went in cold, knowing absolutely nothing about it (which is generally my favourite way to see something), and judging by the title, expected some kind of period drama along the lines of "Bridges of Madison County." To instead get this was one of the best movie experiences I've had. I still have the ticket stub.

dinnerboat, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:09 (five months ago) link

very similar experience here.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:36 (five months ago) link

judging by the title, expected some kind of period drama along the lines of "Bridges of Madison County."

well, they're both horror films

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:47 (five months ago) link

And both based on fairly crap books
(yet the film version of Children of Men is indeed brilliant)

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 00:05 (five months ago) link

how do you all feel about - the ping pong ball bit?

conrad, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:39 (five months ago) link

think it’s the best

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:44 (five months ago) link

yeah its one of the best scenes

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 21:03 (five months ago) link

The levity certainly sets you up hard for the sucker punch.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 21:05 (five months ago) link

It certainly does put pressure on the wound.

crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 21:06 (five months ago) link

Apparently it took 8 days to film that sequence.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 02:51 (five months ago) link

i believe it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 04:16 (five months ago) link

There’s a doc about it on the blu ray. Prob also on YouTube. They had to build a crazy car rig.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 11:56 (five months ago) link

8 days seems low!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 13:17 (five months ago) link

I need to rewatch this soon.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 13:25 (five months ago) link

I'm sure the video goes into that elaborate car rig they designed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 13:44 (five months ago) link

They only had that piece of road for 8 days, so iirc they spent a week rehearsing, then had time for three takes.

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:49 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

hesitate to post this because it mentions so many critic/theorist/historian names that i assume it's going to piss off everyone, but i enjoyed ("enjoyed") this piece

https://www.newstatesman.com/children-men-alfonso-cuaron-2006-apocalypse-coronavirus

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:08 (one week ago) link

It’s kind of all over the place. I read the conclusion twice and wasn’t sure what the point was, but if it’s “watch this movie” then OK

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:54 (one week ago) link

It's quite entertaining as a provocative piece painting a broad-brush extreme dystopian pessimistic mood. But the overall point and details jump around wildly.

It's wildly inflated: it's a piece saying 'hey the mood of Children of Men resonates quite a bit with the current devastated state of the UK', and then tries to assume an of authority to move onto considerations of if it's too late to halt the juggernaut of something not quite specified (coronavirus, global pandemics, climate change, global capitalism, fatalism and passivity?).

On the plus side, at least it didn't throw in the global spectacular consumer economy.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:00 (one week ago) link

i read it last night, it seemed fine and uncontroversial to me, mostly a round-up of things people have already said

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 August 2020 11:24 (one week ago) link

This film was very quick off the mark to use dubstep in the soundtrack. As it turns out that was one of the less credible projections for 2027, although it's mostly not mixed all that prominently anyway.

Stanley Halfbrick (Noel Emits), Sunday, 2 August 2020 13:22 (one week ago) link

Well... I hope in 2027 when the entire world is firm in the grips of a massive dubstep revival that you come back to this thread and apologize roundly to everyone reading.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:26 (one week ago) link

Lol yes - That scene read very much to me as the 2027 version of “old git blasting Led Zeppelin”

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:29 (one week ago) link

That's the vibe I got, too!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:35 (one week ago) link

LOL are you grandad's talking about Jasper's "zen music"? That's Aphex Twin IIRC. The dubstep stuff is playing in the background of a few scenes and presumably supposed to be contemporary; Kode 9 & Spaceape in the pub I think, and Digital Mystikz Anti War Dub which I just checked prices on and if there's a revival in 2027 I'll really be wondering if I should have hung on to those DMZ 12"s a bit longer.

Stanley Halfbrick (Noel Emits), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:30 (one week ago) link

ahh i had never noticed that. well 90s house continues to be fucking everywhere, so....

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:31 (one week ago) link

Good on that!

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:41 (one week ago) link

Also Roots Manuva's Witness (1 Hope) in one scene, which will probably still be getting rinsed in 2027. I guess maybe in the world of the film pop culture stagnated when there stopped being young people?

chap, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:12 (one week ago) link

that’s a really good point

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:34 (one week ago) link

Yes that works out rather well. I mean I think really the music was used as a signifier of 'near future urban dystopia' rather than any serious attempt to predict the pop charts of 2027, so I was being facetious.

Tell you what though, what if.. hear me out.. what if what happened is there was a technological singularity, say around 2012 and the world of the film is a simulation maintained by super advanced AIs (the titular 'children if men'.) and derived from media created in the period immediately before the onset of exponential AI development The main limitation of the simulation being that new humans can't be created.

Stanley Halfbrick (Noel Emits), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:07 (one week ago) link

There aren't really enough many 3-year-olds making dubstep, though - Baby Diego would've grown up with a whole generation above him making music (and the ones above that, as well - more so if they're not making babies!)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2020 12:34 (one week ago) link

Lol it's a very bad, boring piece if you know even some of the terrain.

And in fact covid has actually made capitalism seem incredibly fragile, it's end closer and possible, and the last general election and movements around the world show that people are thinking of alternatives. The New Statesman plays it's own part in demonising and talking down these movements so ofc it will write about clapped out thrash like Children of Men.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 3 August 2020 13:00 (one week ago) link

"Cuarón was inspired by the 20th-century film theorist André Bazin, for whom fast editing diminishes a scene “from something real into something imaginary”."

Like this...doesn't sound right? Bazin was writing (and died) before the really long takes became a thing later in the 60s and then 70s Euro film? And he was more for backing a kind of realism in filmmaking (from my fuzzy memory).

xyzzzz__, Monday, 3 August 2020 13:05 (one week ago) link

Lol it's a very bad, boring piece if you know even some of the terrain.


There it is.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 3 August 2020 14:10 (one week ago) link

"bad, boring"

xyzzzz__, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:38 (one week ago) link


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