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“I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.”


Dot Parker?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Tom Waits

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Tom claims he got it off of a bathroom wall. There is a doctor from Atlanta who claims he invented it. It is sometimes attributed to Dotty and occasionally to W.C. Fields.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

That's a nice image: Dorothy Parker scribbling messages on men's bathroom walls for Tom Waits to discover thirty years later.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

so there is NO credence to the dot theory?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it's pretty clear that she has a better shot at it than Tom does.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I've never seen an official citation of the quote to Dorothy Parker, Ogden Nash, or W.C. Fields. Unless I see some published reference, it may as well have been George Carlin, Kurt Vonnegutt, or Dave Barry then.

However, I know that Tom Waits said it on the old "Fernwood2Night" show. So I'm going to have to say Waits via that bathroom wall is the source. (Until proven otherwise.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

This page attributed it to W.C. Fields (and notes that that TV show was scripted, so it wasn't Waits himself?), but offers no official source either.

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

WC Fields seems like a highly suspect source to me, considering the term lobotomy wasn't even in wide use until the 40s.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Dr. Randy Hanzlick, who writes songs as a hobby, claims he found it on a bathroom wall in the early 70's:

http://www.chiasmus.com/typesofchiasmus/phonetic.shtml

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

“I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.”

is part of those lyrics by Randy Hanzlick, but it was changed from this writing he found on a bathroom wall:

"I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy." which was a line from comedian Fred Allen (died in 1956), who probably wrote it first, judging from the other quotes attributed to him

http://www.comedyorama.com/fredallen/fred-quote.htm

?

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Trying to attribute this quote is like dancing about architecture.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

its the new da vinci code

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Duh. If only I'd clicked on this first.

StanM (StanM), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Jaymc = HAR!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I've always thought that was Dorothy Parker as well.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I'm trying to recall a specific quote and who said it - the general concept is that "a society is only as strong as its willingness/ability to help the least fortunate members of it." It's a big one, but my sloppy Googling is taking me all over the place and I can't pinpoint it... any help?

Shannon Whirry and the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:07 (nine years ago) link

hans gruber, die hard

rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:17 (nine years ago) link

rly tho this gets you a lot of results:

"society is only as strong as its weakest"

rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:18 (nine years ago) link

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link etc.

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:31 (nine years ago) link

found a few people suggesting it was mlk but no concrete refs.

the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:34 (nine years ago) link

I imagine it's a lot older than that

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:35 (nine years ago) link

JFK - "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich"

Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Farting in Space (NickB), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 11:35 (nine years ago) link

I believe you're looking at gandhi there

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

but it really could be anyone across all spectra.

Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 12:09 (nine years ago) link

pretty sure it's from A. Wise Mann

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 12:09 (nine years ago) link

anon & anon, the two dudes shakespeare was always waiting on

Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 12:10 (nine years ago) link

I reckon it's either Unattrib. or Trad. Arr.

Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 12:11 (nine years ago) link

Thanks very much - it was indeed the Ghandi quote I was thinking of. Much appreciated!

Shannon Whirry and the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 12:12 (nine years ago) link

nine years pass...

Searching for a quote which I believe to be related to a professor, teaching students how to think?

Something to the effect of "when encountering a new topic, do not ask 'what is my opinion on this thing' - but rather ask 'what is my *relation* to this thing?'".

It's one of the wisest things I've ever encountered, and I cannot for the life of me remember who said it?

Branwell with an N, Monday, 9 September 2019 18:10 (one week ago) link

THANK YOU!!! That had been driving me nuts.

Of course it is from Fan Studies. It is a very, very Fan Studies attitude to take.

Branwell with an N, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:12 (one week ago) link


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