Drugs, Murder and Mexico

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This law then effectively gives everyone in Mexico the same rights as middle-class white Americans. Bravo.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of the amounts are eye-popping: Mexicans would be allowed to possess more than two pounds of peyote, the button-size hallucinogenic cactus used in some native Indian religious ceremonies.

Well, I know where I'm going for vacation.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 29 April 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link


latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Where's the legalize murder part? So i can go down there and do all the coke and peyote I want but what the fuck am i supposed to do after that? NOT go on a killing spree???

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I know where I'm going for vacation.

You and every frat boy in America.

gbx (skowly), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

just don't kill any female students from the US. That's what seems to lead to troubles.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 29 April 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link


gbx (skowly), Saturday, 29 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay never mind then.

Dan (¯\(º_o)/¯) Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 29 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The bill says criminal charges will no longer be brought for possession of up to 25 milligrams of heroin, 5 grams of marijuana (about one-fifth of an ounce, or about four joints), or 0.5 grams of cocaine -- the equivalent of about 4 "lines," or half the standard street-sale quantity (though half-size packages are becoming more common).

lf (lfam), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link


lf (lfam), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

meanwhile - http://www.colorado.edu/police/420_Photo_Album/index.htm

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

who the hell buys 4 lines anyway???????

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 30 April 2006 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link

ALSO: yes, who do I get to legally kill, yes?

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 30 April 2006 06:20 (eighteen years ago) link

re: that colordado link.

It's amazing that no matter how low my opinion of this world is, there's always something to push it lower.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, the sign says "video and photographic surveillance equipment is in use" => I show up and get high anyhow => who's the asshole?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

You are the dummy, they are the assholes.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 30 April 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Is not murder legal now anyways?

Favo, Sunday, 30 April 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont' get that colorado link at all. is that a joke? what did they close the field for? what the fuck is Farrand Field?

I fucking hate colorado

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

oh I looked it up. fuck that

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i just wanted to point out that tom's characterization of lax drug laws in the us isn't entirely right.

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Whatever vahid, answer the question:

Where's the legalize murder part?

Thread title looks like its ripped straight off Fox News.

Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Sunday, 30 April 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, it's ripped straight from the liner notes to "dopethrone"

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Sunday, 30 April 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

newsflash! teeny hates dan!

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've come to terms with that.

Dan (ROFFLE) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

1/5th of an ounce of weed would last me about three days.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i bet the south padre island chamber of commerce is stressing.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link


lf (lfam), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ain't gonna happen

W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...


i've thought about starting a thread about the sickening drug violence in mexico and elsewhere and how the government passes the blame to drug users and drug users pass the blame to the government while drug cartels revel in the market created by the outlawing of drugs and the money they make from the users and nothing ever changes and people like those migrant workers (and presumably this prosecutor) die in increasingly horrible ways, but based on a couple of "i don't care" responses i've had when i asked this serious question before maybe it would be a waste of time? anyway i think our attitude towards those who suffer south of the border because of this is fairly abhorrent on all fronts and i've learned to not even debate this with close friends because they feel i'm being a dick for even bringing the topic up because they enjoy drugs occasionally.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I think this is kind of a good reason not to use drugs, at least ones that you don't know where they came from, regardless of what you think about legalization. Blood diamonds, blood drugs, etc.

Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

i honestly think people who use hard drugs (which are trafficked by the kind of folks who go around murdering people just for the hell of it) don't give a single shit or if they do they blame the market created by the government. of course if they really cared they might not use at all, but there is always going to be resistance to government laws regarding this issue, which is understandable because the government is so wrong on this issue.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I read yesterday where 28,000 people have been killed in the mexican drug war since 2006 and was just kinda stunned.

Kerm, Friday, 27 August 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Habitual drug users deflecting responsibility shocker

Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

But yeah obviously the govt does bear a huge amount of responsibility for this.

Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i think about this a lot but a) i don't really know what to think, entirely and b) really don't know what to say

goole, Friday, 27 August 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i have read something recently about mexico flirting with the idea of legalizing marijuana unilaterally. it's mexicans who are being murdered, after all.

goole, Friday, 27 August 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

i know a couple of folks in l.a. who have grimly mentioned shit that has gone down with relatives in mexico, almost matter-of-factly.

The body count in Mexico stood at 5,400 slayings in 2008, more than double the 2,477 reported in 2007, officials said, with over 1400 in Ciudad Juárez alone.[27][28] The population of Ciudad Juárez had to change their daily routine and many try to stay home in the evening hours. Public life is almost paralyzed out of fear of being kidnapped or hit by a stray bullet. On 20 February 2009, the U.S. State Department announced in an updated travel alert that "Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008." [29] On 12 March 2009, police found "at least seven" partially buried bodies in the outskirts of the city, close to the US-Mexican border. Five severed heads were discovered in ice boxes, along with notes to rivals in the drug-wars. Beheadings, attacks on the police and shootings are common in some regions.[30] In September 2009, 18 patients at a drug rehabilitation clinic called El Aliviane were massacred in a turf battle.[31] Patients were lined up in the corridor and gunned down in the early evening. On September 3, 2009 the Associated Press reported that the day before gunmen broke down the door of the El Aliviane drug rehabilitation center and lined their victims up to a wall shooting 17 dead. The authorities had no immediate suspects or information on the victims. Plagued by corruption and the assassination of many of its officers, the government is struggling to maintain Ciudad Juárez's police force. Other police have quit the force out of fear of being targeted.[32] In late 2008 one murder victim was found near a school hanging from a fence with a pig's mask on his face and another one was found beheaded hanging from a bridge in one of the busier streets of the city.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

smoke local pot. and leave everything else alone. unless the canadians start making cocaine or something. the 72 bodies in a room thing...i mean, what can you even say? its just so awful in every possible way. i blame this country so much already for so many things...its a long list. i don't even know what to say.

scott seward, Friday, 27 August 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i sort of attempted to tackle this in a trolling manner on the cocaine C or D thread, but i think it was generally ignored in favor of people relating war stories, i.e. "that time i did coke was a real good time, classic."

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

to repeat:

In September 2009, 18 patients at a drug rehabilitation clinic called El Aliviane were massacred in a turf battle.[31] Patients were lined up in the corridor and gunned down in the early evening.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

message being, what exactly? don't try to quit or we will kill you?

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Are there any good explanations for why the violence has so sharply increased? Is there something driving drug profits up at the moment?

Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

i got in a big argt once with a friend about drug legalization, my points being basically that making something illegal doesn't erase demand, so the "business model" of suppliers necessarily involves violence; and that our strategy for the past 50-odd years has to be considered a failure, so why not try something else that seems to have worked ok in other places.

the counter-argument was basically "you watch the wire"

goole, Friday, 27 August 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link

GBX just asked me to post this link. I actually had it open already in another tab. It's insane:


o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

In September 2009, 18 patients at a drug rehabilitation clinic called El Aliviane were massacred in a turf battle.

What does this even mean? OOH it makes it sound like the turf battle just happened to take place on the property of the clinic, OTOH "massacre" suggests deliberately killing the patients but doesn't sound like a "turf battle".

Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that particular aspect of this is nuts, E.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i have several particularly sharp and otherwise decent friends who indulge in the odd bit of cocaine use, and what can you really say? saying stuff like this comes off as preachy and playing right into the hands of those who want to keep drugs illegal, one could argue. and yet...no.

('_') (omar little), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

The situation in Juarez nuts and ridiculous that more attention hasn't been paid to it. I think Jennifer Lopez made a movie about it a couple years ago called "Boderlands" iirc but I don't ever remember seeing it in theaters and suspect it went straight to video.

o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Friday, 27 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

has anyone seen "cartel land"

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 24 October 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link

it looks really interesting but i'm a little suspicious of bigelow's involvement (in that it might spend a little too much time on the macho vigilantes bringing evil to justice and not, like, on the completely horrifying effects the war has had on the general populace)

might be concern-trolling myself, tho

jason waterfalls (gbx), Saturday, 24 October 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Chapo vs. ISIS, coming soon from Electronic Arts:


my harp and me (Eazy), Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link

probably the closest we'll ever get to a real life Alien vs Predator tbh

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link

I think the proper term is "undocumented immigrant."

pplains, Saturday, 12 December 2015 06:16 (eight years ago) link

Censor or Die: The Death of Mexican News In the Age of Drug Cartels

pplains, Sunday, 13 December 2015 03:29 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Also, the U.S. consulate in Tijuana was set on fire:


(please no long guns of any kind) (Eazy), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 03:13 (eight years ago) link

the raid which recaptured El Chapo

Pancho and Left Eye (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 13 January 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...


nomar, Thursday, 4 February 2016 10:58 (eight years ago) link

This stupid fucking world we live in. Jesus Christ.

how's life, Thursday, 4 February 2016 12:53 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

HE GONE (again)

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link

or maybe not? no reportage on it beyond the daily mail and a shitload of tweets, could be bullshit

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link

I presume you refer to Joaquin Guzman, aka "El Chapo." Enough money buys one a lot of things.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:52 (seven years ago) link

i do indeed refer to joaquin guzman loera. not seeing any actual news outlets report that he's escaped tho

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link

it wouldnt surprise me in the fuckin slightest, seeing as he a. continues to get government help regardless of who's in los pinos and b. is on the verge of being extradited to the U.S.

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Friday, 8 July 2016 19:59 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

Looks like someone got in before that wall got built.


pplains, Friday, 20 January 2017 03:21 (seven years ago) link

for a while there was a lot of news about cartel violence in mexico

has it slowed down? did we stop caring? or did all the journalists get killed?

the late great, Friday, 20 January 2017 03:54 (seven years ago) link

and a few minutes googling seems to indicate, no, the violence hasn't slowed down

also that, like this thread, the drug war in mexico is officially 10 years old

the late great, Friday, 20 January 2017 03:58 (seven years ago) link

this was the big scuttlebutt at my workplace yesterday

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

^^Amazing level of reporting on the Allende massacre.

Eazy, Monday, 19 June 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link

It was a very hard but necessary read, that.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 June 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link


upcoming cartel memoir from a guy who's now in Witness Protection

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

OTOH, the propublica article mostly just says many at higher echelons in the DEA remain oblivious to how compromised Mexican law enforcement is.

Its hard to imagine how the DEA intended to use those Zeta phone locations without informing at least some level of the Mexican government. The DEA itself isn't really outfitted for large scale covert ops in foreign nations, and Delta + MC-130s would require some level of cooperation.

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

i read this book last year, wanted to recommend it.


it really gets at the daily life of a reporter who just happens to occasionally cover cartel issues and the effect it has on his family and friends.

nomar, Thursday, 31 August 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link

two months pass...
two months pass...

I just don't get the US at all - it's like, a country with whom you share hundreds of miles of border with is being completely destabilized by your policies and your response is to...do nothing? stick your head in the sand? idgi.

― dayo, Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:16 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not just the US...and it's not just Mexico either...

― rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:50 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's the big problem there. every move is just baby steps in the right direction rather than a solve-all-problems move.

― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 5:16 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah I know. it's just that it's like, you live in a pretty nice house, you have a nice life. the house next door is a crackhouse. what are you gonna do, build a higher fence?

― shorn_blond.avi (dayo), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 5:21 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


omar little, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link

two months pass...


Three missing students are dead after criminals in Mexico beat them to death and dissolved their bodies in acid, according to police.

Mexican authorities in Jalisco state announced that the mystery around the three students’ fate had finally been solved weeks after their disappearance triggered massive protests. The film students went missing in the municipality of Tonala after they were forced into a car by between six and eight gang members.

“Subsequently their bodies were dissolved in acid so that no trace of them remained," the state prosecutors office said, according to Reuters.

Drug cartels have used the violent tactic to erase evidence in the past and police believe gang members falsely assumed the three victims were from a rival gang.

According to witnesses, heavily armed men posing as police officers accosted the students after their car broke down. They were never seen again, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The victims—Salomon Aceves Gastelum, Daniel Diaz and Marco Avalos—journeyed outside the city of Guadalajara to shoot a project for the University of Audiovisual Media, AFP reported. Police have stressed that the students had no known link to organized crime.

omar little, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

that is some scary shit ! I haven't traveled around mexico since the late 90s and up until recently I was of the minds that I would do it again sometime soon but I think i'd rather not now.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link

Merida is safe :)

incredibly hot about 9 months out of the year though

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link

Lots of protests planned for Thursday marking 43 months since 43 students were murdered in collaboration with the Ayotzinapa police:


Anabel Hernandez has a book about it coming out in October.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

The 111th murder of a political candidate in the last nine months:


Election is three weeks away.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 10 June 2018 07:12 (five years ago) link

four months pass...


One of the main promoters of women’s football in Mexico, Marbella Ibarra, has been killed.

Ms Ibarra, 44, was the founder of Mexico’s first professional women’s football team, Xolas de Tijuana.

Her body, which showed signs of torture, was found wrapped in plastic sheeting in Rosarito, a beach resort south of the border city of Tijuana.

She had disappeared last month and her family believe she was kidnapped. The motive behind her murder is unclear.

Officials said a post-mortem examination would be carried out to determine the exact cause of her death, but the case was being treated as murder.

Her hands and feet had been tied and she had been severely beaten. She is believed to have been killed on Friday but her body was not found until Monday.

‘The best coach’

Investigators say they think her murder is unrelated to her role as coach and football promoter.

Most recently Ms Ibarra had dedicated her time to a foundation helping young female footballer players financially so they could have trials with teams other than their local ones.

There was an outpouring of grief on social media, with many players recalling the influence Ms Ibarra had had on them and the support she had offered.

Her niece Fabiola Ibarra, who plays for Guadalajara-based football club Atlas Femenil and the Mexican national women’s team, wrote that she would “hang on to all the beautiful moments I had with you and all that you did for me, you are the best friend, the best aunt and the best coach!”

Ms Ibarra had not been a player herself but used her income from the beauty salon she ran to first fund an amateur women’s team, Isamar FC.

She then founded the professional team Xolas de Tijuana, which first played across the border in the US women’s league as there was no professional women’s league in Mexico at the time.

Ms Ibarra fought hard for women’s football to be recognised and played a key role in the creation of the professional women’s league in 2017.

Her sister Mabel described her as being “football mad”.

While Tijuana, the city where she was based, has long suffered from violence it has recently seen an upsurge in murders.

July of this year was the most violent month in the city’s recorded history, with 251 homicides.

Many of the murders are linked to the dugs trade but kidnappings and extortion are also common.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link

nbd just 250 murders in ONE MONTH

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 October 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

Coatzacoalcos (Mexico) (AFP) - Gunmen burst into a Mexican strip club in a hail of bullets and killed at least 26 people as they trapped revellers inside and started a raging fire, officials said Wednesday.

President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador condemned the "shameful" attack in the city of Coatzacoalcos, and said federal authorities would investigate evidence it may have stemmed from collusion between local authorities and organized crime.

The Tuesday night attack, which officials said also left 11 people badly wounded, is the latest to rock the state of Veracruz, a flashpoint in bloody turf wars between Mexico's rival drug cartels and a hotbed of political corruption.

Survivors said gunmen sprayed bullets as they descended on the bar, the Caballo Blanco (White Horse), then blocked the exits and set the club alight.

Because of the loud reggaeton music pounding inside, many patrons and dancers did not even notice the attack until the bar was in flames, they said.

Authorities said many of the victims died of smoke inhalation. It was not immediately clear whether some died of gunshot wounds.

"They arrived in several vehicles, with rifles and pistols. They threatened the security guards at the door and took control of the entrance," one survivor told an AFP reporter, speaking on condition of anonymity, as frantic relatives gathered at the bar looking for their loved ones.

Veracruz Governor Cuitlahuac Garcia tweeted that authorities had identified one of the attackers as Ricardo "N" -- Mexican law bars the release of suspects' full names -- adding that he was a repeat offender known as "La Loca" ("The Crazy One").

The suspect was previously arrested last month, but was released by state prosecutors within 48 hours, Garcia said.

President Lopez Obrador said federal authorities would investigate why.

"There's a problem there that needs to be investigated regarding the actions of the Veracruz prosecutor's office," said Lopez Obrador, a leftist elected last year on an anti-corruption platform.

"There are two things going on here: one is this shameful act by organized crime, the most inhuman thing possible; the other, which is also reprehensible, is a possible conspiracy with the authorities," he told a news conference.

The Veracruz prosecutor's office denied wrongdoing, and said in a statement that it was in fact the federal prosecutor's office that released Ricardo "N."

Veracruz is one of the most violent states in the country.

Its location on the Gulf of Mexico coast makes it a strategic route for drug cartels and for human traffickers bringing undocumented migrants to the United States.

Coatzacoalcos, a port city of 235,000 people, has been among those hardest hit by the resulting violence.

The governor told reporters the group that attacked the White Horse was vying for control of the drug trade there.

Some survivors said the attackers doused the nightclub in gasoline to set it alight. Others said they threw Molotov cocktails.

The interior of the bar was wrecked and charred, with chairs overturned and debris littering the floor.

The naked body of a woman who had been mid-routine was sprawled on the dance floor next to the striptease poles.

Outside, anguished relatives cried and embraced as they waited for news, while soldiers, police and paramedics worked the scene.

"I just want to know if he's OK," said a mother looking for her son, an employee at the bar, after searching for him in vain at local hospitals.

"Have you seen my daughter? She was a dancer," said another.

Mexico, the chief supplier of narcotics to the United States, has been hit by a wave of violence since declaring war on drugs and deploying the army to fight its powerful cartels in 2006.

Since then, more than 250,000 people have been murdered, including a record 33,753 last year.

The situation in Veracruz has been particularly grim. Jailed ex-governor Javier Duarte (2010-2016) is accused of presiding over a rash of corruption and human rights abuses.

Two former state police chiefs and a string of ex-officials have been charged with running hit squads that abducted and presumably killed unwanted individuals during Duarte's administration.

omar little, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link

Almost exactly eight years to the day Los Zetas did exactly the same thing in Monterrey, killing 50+.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link

one month passes...


(MORELIA, Mexico) — State police expected the worst when they ventured into the wild township of Aguililla to serve a single warrant. Commanders sent 42 officers in five trucks.

It wasn’t enough. More than 30 suspected drug cartel gunmen were waiting for them Monday, some in vehicles that were apparently armored, prosecutors in Mexico’s western state of Michoacan said.

Officials said the gunmen opened up on the police convoy with .50 caliber sniper rifles and AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles.

Thirteen officers were killed, some of their bodies still inside the patrol trucks when the vehicles were set afire. Nine other officers were wounded.

The attack — the worst on Mexican law enforcement in years — came in a state where violence blamed on drug gangs has jumped in recent months.

Authorities said the state police convoy was ambushed as it sought to enforce a judicial order at a home in El Aguaje, a town in the municipality of Aguililla, which is the reputed birthplace of Nemesio “Mencho” Oseguera, leader of the hyper-violent Jalisco New Generation cartel.

“No attack on the police will go unpunished, and this was a cowardly, devious attack because they laid an ambush in this area of the road,” Gov. Silvano Aureoles said.

Images published in Mexican media showed vehicles burning in the middle of a highway and messages apparently signed by Jalisco New Generation, one of Mexico’s most powerful and rising cartels. Aureoles said their authenticity was under investigation.

Later in the day, an Associated Press journalist saw two gutted patrol cars at the entrance to El Aguaje surrounded by hundreds of bullet casings. Two police trucks were towed away.

Streets were nearly empty as people apparently decided to stay indoors after the violent events.

After the attack, the area in western Mexico’s so-called “hot lands” was reinforced by federal and state security forces, which set up checkpoints to hunt for the assailants.

Michoacan, an important avocado-growing state, has recently has seen a spike in violence that has brought back memories of the bloodiest days of Mexico’s war on drug cartels between 2006 and 2012.

In August, police found 19 bodies in the town of Uruapan, including nine hung from a bridge. Later, an area roughly 45 miles (70 kilometers) north of Aguililla was the scene of fierce clashes between members of Jalisco New Generation and regional self-defense groups.

In 2013, civilian groups faced with what they said was state inaction armed themselves in Michoacan to fight the Knights Templar cartel, one of whose bases was Aguililla. They said they took up arms to defend themselves from kidnappings, extortion and killings by cartels. But some of the self-defense or vigilante groups later became infiltrated by cartels and gangs.

omar little, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link


AMLO will get criticised for this but idk what else they can realistically do short of sending half the army in to lock down a city of 800k people.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 October 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

another terrible story which of course leads to an idea from DJT that would probably end poorly.


President Trump on Tuesday offered to help Mexico “wage WAR on the drug cartels” after a shootout left at least nine Americans dead.

Initial reports indicated the victims were women and children traveling in at least three cars who may have been targeted by mistake or caught in a crossfire between rival gangs. All the victims were believed to be Mormons with dual American-Mexican citizenship.

A relative of one of the victims said his cousin was on her way to the airport when she was shot and killed in her car along with her four children near La Mora, a decades-old religious settlement about 70 miles south of the Arizona border. Her car had been set on fire with the bodies of the victims inside, according to Agence France-Presse. Two other vehicles, containing the bodies of two more women and two children, were found several hours later.

According to the Arizona Republic, at least a dozen people remain missing.

omar little, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link

This story is completely bananas. The victims were part of the LeBaron family cult, whose late patriarch was responsible for 25-40 murders from the 1970s on and there is a rumoured link to NXIVM.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

This story is like The Wire on acid to me:

The death truck: how a solution to Mexico's morgue crisis created a new horror.

The tale of how a truck trailer containing almost 300 bodies got stranded on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 2 April 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link

one year passes...


not Mexico but seems like it's related to the cartel industrial complex, since drug violence is not exclusive to that country.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link

but obv this kind of thing is happening every other day in this country for reasons not related to "strictly business" so who knows

omar little, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...


good piece here. the life of a journalist covering the crimes of the drug industry in Mexico seems like nightmare fuel, not to mention the fear many there probably feel on a daily basis being surrounded by those who might kill them just for not going along w/the cartels. this story mentioned in the piece still really shakes me:

And in 2014, police officers in the rural city Iguala kidnapped 43 students on buses headed for a march in Mexico City and handed them over to a drug cartel that mistakenly assumed they were part of an attack from a rival. This year, a trove of text messages showed that nearly every branch of government in the region — including soldiers, the police and a local mayor — were communicating with the cartel, which killed the students and incinerated some of them in a crematory.

omar little, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 18:29 (seven months ago) link

Don Winslow chillingly dramatized that anecdote in The Border.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 3 October 2023 18:39 (seven months ago) link

this post upthread from Euler resonates:

& the erosion of limits on violence is key ; because you see men who are not psychopaths in any usual sense become professional killers, for whom it seems that the first kill is the crucial one, because to do so breaks a taboo that then permits the killer great power thereafter, power that is otherwise thought beyond reach. and it makes you like a god. I've been reading books on the Holocaust and anti-Semitism prior to this & there too you see torrents of violence following the first kills by "ordinary men".

omar little, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 18:50 (seven months ago) link

four months pass...

This is an interesting long read on chemical supply for synthetic drugs in Mexico.


ShariVari, Saturday, 24 February 2024 11:14 (three months ago) link

Thought this revive was gonna be about Kerry Cartel

Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 February 2024 11:45 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

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