The long overdue _Blade Runner_ thread

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I am seriously shocked at discovering that apparently no Blade Runner thread existed until now. (If there is and all my searching was in vain, please to say.)

Post everything and anything here. For now, I got a further shock earlier today when I read in Paul Sammon's book on the movie a bit saying that there's a headline on a newspaper Deckard is reading that contains the phrase 'The Moon and Antarctica.' Fuckin' Modest Mouse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ATARI AND PAN-AM STILL EXIST IN 2019

Who prefers the Director's Cut ending up in this area? I used to but now I'm unsure what ending is best.

Rabbi Esteban Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

yeah i think it's about time for a re-visit.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Lemme tell you about my mother.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

for god's sake kenan, take it to another thread.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha

Surely there is no finer science fiction film than this one. Surely.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh, and greatest score ever. Perhaps.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Seeing this film for the first time, even in the most compromised form ever done of it -- on CBS in 1986, four years after eleven-year-old me saw all the ads for its theatrical run and couldn't understand why my parents weren't going to take me to see Han Solo/Indiana Jones in his new film -- was kinda like lightning out of a clear blue sky.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's so amazing to me that ridley scott made these two movies that just totally changed cinema sci-fi, or if not changed, then at least became the big movies to rip off for like 20 years, and then never really returned to the genre again.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And never really excelled at anything else.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

uh gi jane?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

of course. how could I forget that one.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Deckard:Shakes? Me too.
Rachael:What?
Deckard:I get 'em bad. It's part of the business.
Rachael:I'm not in the business. -- I am the business.

Tyrell: 66 thousand Prosser and Ankovich. Hmm.. Trade. Trade at--
Computer: New entry. A Mr. J. F. Sebastian. 1-6-4-1-7.
Tyrell: At this hour? What can I do for you Sebastian.
Sebastian:Queen to Bishop 6. Check.
Tyrell: Nonsense. Just a moment. Mmm. Queen to Bishop 6. Ridiculous. Queen to Bishop 6. Hmm... Knight takes Queen. -- What's on your mind Sebastian? What are you thinking about.
Roy:(whispered) Bishop to King 7. Checkmate.
Sebastian:Bishop to King 7. Checkmate, I think.
Tyrell: Got a brainstorm, huh, Sebastian? Milk and cookies kept you awake, huh? Lets discuss this. You better come up, Sebastian.
Sebastian:Mr. Tyrell. I-- I brought a friend.

kephm (kephm), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

y'know, I think I just love both versions in dif ways, but I mean, if this is on late at night, chopped up and interrupted by (painful) ads for life-saving bracelets and suburban sex shops, I will stay up and watch it. A true test of awesome movie power.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seduction, the mega love boutique. 5220 metropolitan east.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

hahahahaha.
yes!

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Have a better one."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

OMG the commercial came on RIGHT NOW. shockah...

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's so amazing to me that ridley scott made these two movies that just totally changed cinema sci-fi, or if not changed, then at least became the big movies to rip off for like 20 years, and then never really returned to the genre again.

Harlan Ellison tells the story that at a meeting with him when Scott was considering Dune with Giger on for design (woulda been great), Scott told Ellison that he wanted to be the John Ford of sf. Imagine if?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

man i'd love to see that alternate reality

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

This movie has three big things going for it (in no special order):

1) The visuals. God, what visuals. They do not age, which is point of discussion in itself. This movie should look dated, but it doesn't. Why?

2) The tone. It's pitch-perfect crime drama all the way through, without a wink.

3) The themes. In effect: it has some, whereas most movies do not have the balls to have themes. Even the scenes that should be over the top somehow aren't. If the scene where the creation crushes the creator's skull in anger isn't an obvious metaphor, I don't know what is, but it works. See #2.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

every movie has THEMES.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Not like this.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ok, you're right, literally speaking, every movie has themes. But not many movies play as opera.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and even fewer play as "popera."

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one of the most quotable movies ever

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"i say, blade runner!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The obvious: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Great example of a collaborative screenplay as well. Fancher and Peoples never directly worked together but Peoples modified and reworked Fancher's original screenplay just so, both of course running off the ideas of Dick's novel. Then to top it off the 'tears in rain' line was created by Hauer himself!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

he say you brade runner mr decker!

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Then to top it off the 'tears in rain' line was created by Hauer himself!

I didn't know that! It's SO perfect.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

For now, I got a further shock earlier today when I read in Paul Sammon's book on the movie a bit saying that there's a headline on a newspaper Deckard is reading that contains the phrase 'The Moon and Antarctica.' Fuckin' Modest Mouse.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), April 17th, 2006.

thats a great book! truly a labor of love. its so jam-packed with info. its really a treasure trove for anyone who loves the film.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

iy was also Hauers idea to release the dove into the sky too

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I once broke up with a girl because she didn't understand the dove.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

you sure YOU broke up with HER?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Quite. I mean, she didn't understand the movie at all. She was a silly little thing.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

holy shit i love this movie.


xpost - don't say "quite" anymore.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's a word, innit? And also, holy shit I love this movie too.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

was kinda like lightning out of a clear blue sky

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the score is brilliant and it's strangely inseparable from the foley track, which is also brilliant.

also: weird '80s references to race and stuff, à la "goonies" and "gremlins." you don't see that anymore for some reason.

the unexpected thing about this film is that the scenes of violence are the worst in the film, and the climax isn't as exciting as you'd hope. it breaks the mood of frustrated desire and apprehension that the film works so hard to build.

has anyone evaluated scott as an action director? i mean, the "action" scenes of this film really let it down, as much for narrative as visual reasons. and IIRC the action scenes of "gladiator" left a lot to be desired as well.

sometimes i feel similarly about david lynch, although he has been known to make really interesting things out of pretty violent scenes.

also i've been told the ending of the director's cut is TOO SUBTLE but


***SPOILERS***

it's hard to imagine how they could have telegraphed the message "DECKERT IS A REPLICANT" any clearer than the edward james olmos character placing the unicorn origami figure outside his apartment. i am impressed by the *economy* of this motif though--they don't overdo it.

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I had to try to explain the unicorn to stoners once. While stoned. It kind of hurt.

okay, I like the Director's Cut way more.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

eleven-year-old me...couldn't understand why my parents weren't going to take me to see Han Solo/Indiana Jones in his new film

i was 12 or 13, just old enough for my dad to take me (he wanted to see it, so i think taking me became kind of a way for him to justify an evening away from home). completely blew my mind.

i think it makes most sense in the context of the urban dystopia films of the time. it's the ultimate urban dytopia, even more than taxi driver or the warriors or escape from new york or whatever. and more prescient by a long shot, because those movies were all predicated on urban desolation, whereas in blade runner the wealth hasn't abandoned the city, it's just moved even farther up above it than before. in a lot of those other movies, you're meant to assume that there's wealth somewhere, but it's certainly not in the city, it's fled somewhere far away. in blade runner, it's right there in your face, looming up above in the penthouses (and selling things to you from giant billboards, recruiting you to go work shit jobs in outer space for megacorporations).

i still love it. but just for fun, here's a little of pauline kael's review (from july 7, 1982):

Blade Runner is a suspenseless thriller; it appears to be a victim of its own imaginative use of hardware and miniatures and mattes. At some point, Scott and the others must have decided that the story was unimportant; maybe the booming, lewd and sultry score by Chariots-for-Hire Vangelis that seems to come out of the smoke convinced them that the audience would be moved even if the vital parts of the story were trimmed.

...Blade Runner doesn't engage you directly; it forces passivity on you. It sets you down in this lopsided maze of a city, with its post-human feeling, and keeps you persuaded that something bad is about to happen. Some of the scenes seem to have six subtexts but no text, and no context either.

...[T]his movie loses track of the few expectations it sets up, and the formlessness adds to a viewer's demoralization -- the film itself seems part of the atmosphere of decay. Blade Runner has nothing to give the audience -- not even a second of sorrow for Sebastian. It hasn't been thought out in human terms. If anybody comes around with a test to detect humanoids, maybe Ridley Scott and his associates should hide. With all the smoke in this movie, you feel as if everyone connected with it needs to have his flue cleaned.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i kind of (read: VERY MUCH) want to watch this immediately. it's been at least 6 years.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

has anyone evaluated scott as an action director?

Scott is not a consistent director in any genre, but dude, watch one Alien.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha, ALL I want to do right now is watch this!
xpost

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also kenan you sound like an ass

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"chariots-for-hire"

what a bad joke

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

god i can just imagine pauline kael congratulating herself after every line of that review

not that she's entirely wrong, but it's 95% opinion, 5% description, and a few too many puns

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dong Runner

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 18:56 (two months ago) Permalink

"This was not called execution. It was called sashaying away."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 January 2018 18:57 (two months ago) Permalink

"Time...to tuck."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 January 2018 18:57 (two months ago) Permalink

roy booty

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 28 January 2018 18:59 (two months ago) Permalink

is it too late to keep prodding tom so i can troll him into writing a few thousand words about a movie he disliked

mh, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Wait, Neil Marshall is doing Hellboy? Eh. I liked Dog Soldiers, I loved The Descent, I thought Doomsday was just a dumb John Carpenter riff, didn't see Centurion and he's been stuck doing TV (I don't want to see) ever since. Which makes this his first feature in almost a decade? Whole effort seems pretty b-list.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:13 (two months ago) Permalink

What I was alluding to re: JRPG cutscenes - these are almost universally goofy; anime people against incredible looking matte painting backgrounds, in service of a plot that seems complex but is really just a lot of misdirection and meanders, because every JRPG is about Overcoming the Monster - and that’s how this movie worked too. The Big Bad literally crushed the romantic interest under her boot, and then K tanks Luv despite his shitty DPS.

Anyway the point of this, I guess, is why would anyone spend 2.5 hours and 6 dollars for this experience when you can spend 50 dollars and 70 hours and get to watch lots of numbers increase in the process? Um

El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Also as Andrew pointed out the tits in this movie are actually obtrusive. Villeneuve has a hentai collection.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:30 (two months ago) Permalink

your 'big anime titties' argument has convinced me, blade runner 2049 is garbage

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:31 (two months ago) Permalink

uh-oh

your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:31 (two months ago) Permalink

your 'big anime titties' argument has convinced me

if i had a nickel

sleepingbag, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:32 (two months ago) Permalink

...then u could finally retire and gtfo this board

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:34 (two months ago) Permalink

the movie IS garbage. so is the last jedi, for pretty much the same reason... they know the fanbase will do the work of making a terrible movie into a great movie, so what is the point of making a real effort? it's money in the bank no matter how badly you fuck it up.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Yea the issue is clearly "effort"

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:39 (two months ago) Permalink

wasting all your effort on CGI instead of the screenplay, yeah

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Doesnt describe TLJ at all

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:41 (two months ago) Permalink

Hell that was the chief complaint among many nerds

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Can we leave defences of that tired slow worthy effort to its own thread this was a good movie

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Which way is up

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Morbs views on Up are in the pixar thread iirc

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:45 (two months ago) Permalink

*points at hologram boobies* that way

El Tomboto, Sunday, 28 January 2018 19:46 (two months ago) Permalink

tombot otm

the late great, Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:01 (two months ago) Permalink

this movie sucked as anything but eye and ear candy

the late great, Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:02 (two months ago) Permalink

you are doing candy wrong fyi

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:07 (two months ago) Permalink

fair enough

the late great, Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:09 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah, dirty water more than candy

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 00:29 (two months ago) Permalink

I think we expect movies in a series to do way too much. Some standalone film, we’re lucky if we get anything more than stock characters

imo the best franchises are the ones with minimal character progression and you can watch one without having seen a few and just kind of drop back in

the fast/furious franchise is the pinnacle of modern genre cinema

mh, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:37 (two months ago) Permalink

really because of Tokyo Drift though

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 01:19 (two months ago) Permalink

it put Better Luck Tomorrow in the F&F universe, pretty ballsy

mh, Monday, 29 January 2018 01:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Lucas Black as K and Gugu Mbatha as Luv could have almost made this movie fun. score by Alec Empire.

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 01:41 (two months ago) Permalink

K puts his hand in the beehive to FEEL STUFF

Just give us twenty more minutes we’ll get to something haha not really

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 02:25 (two months ago) Permalink

i stung myself today

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 29 January 2018 09:37 (two months ago) Permalink

Disappointed they never connected the honey to the amniotic(?) fluid covering the newly built replicant

Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:17 (two months ago) Permalink

loved 2049, but I have this awful feeling that some generation will live through millions of "today is blade runner horse day" social media posts with the horse's etching changed to that day's date.

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:20 (two months ago) Permalink

This is a great movie, but nobody's going to give a shit about it in 2049.

Dan I., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:40 (two months ago) Permalink

Or, you know, whatever the date on the horse was

Dan I., Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:41 (two months ago) Permalink

it's much worse than even elderly Frank Sinatra

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 22:43 (two months ago) Permalink

Ol blue horse

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:08 (two months ago) Permalink

i did it my neigh

i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:33 (two months ago) Permalink

you make me, a horse, feel so young

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 23:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Songs foals young lovers

Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 09:39 (two months ago) Permalink

new yoke, new yoke

Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

what is this horse stuff? isn't it a unicorn?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:56 (two months ago) Permalink

This is about the wooden toy horse in the implanted memory from blade runner 2049 (which has a date carved into it), not the implanted unicorn dream from the original

silverfish, Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:16 (two months ago) Permalink

ok, ive forgotten the sequel already.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 21:19 (two months ago) Permalink

this is a good movie

akm, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:30 (two months ago) Permalink

TSA agent at the airport recognizes my old Blade Runner shirt as I go through security, and starts jokingly administering a Voight-Kampff test

I have NO IDEA what he’s doing & completely go along with it

Living in a hyper pop-culture-savvy police state is really weird yall

— Jesse Holden (@scumbly) February 18, 2018

j., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 03:12 (two months ago) Permalink

I get nervous any time a TSA agent says anything besides "move along, sir"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 03:15 (two months ago) Permalink

last time i visited the states my passport was about to expire and the guy looked at the picture (hair, clean-shaven, slim-ish) and then at me now (shaved head, beard, 10 years' worth of depression etched under my eyes) and gave me shit about having aged horribly

i'd have preferred a voight-kampff test tbh

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 10:48 (two months ago) Permalink

last time I flew, my flight was pushed from later afternoon to the following morning, and I only had a few hours of sleep. I turned around after putting my backpack on not realizing the top wasn't latched, and some stuff flew out and hit the TSA guy. I was incredibly apologetic.

now, however, it's going to be a struggle not to make jokes referencing Get Out when I go through TSA

mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:07 (two months ago) Permalink


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