The long overdue _Blade Runner_ thread

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I am seriously shocked at discovering that apparently no Blade Runner thread existed until now. (If there is and all my searching was in vain, please to say.)

Post everything and anything here. For now, I got a further shock earlier today when I read in Paul Sammon's book on the movie a bit saying that there's a headline on a newspaper Deckard is reading that contains the phrase 'The Moon and Antarctica.' Fuckin' Modest Mouse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ATARI AND PAN-AM STILL EXIST IN 2019

Who prefers the Director's Cut ending up in this area? I used to but now I'm unsure what ending is best.

Rabbi Esteban Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah i think it's about time for a re-visit.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lemme tell you about my mother.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

for god's sake kenan, take it to another thread.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha

Surely there is no finer science fiction film than this one. Surely.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, and greatest score ever. Perhaps.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Seeing this film for the first time, even in the most compromised form ever done of it -- on CBS in 1986, four years after eleven-year-old me saw all the ads for its theatrical run and couldn't understand why my parents weren't going to take me to see Han Solo/Indiana Jones in his new film -- was kinda like lightning out of a clear blue sky.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's so amazing to me that ridley scott made these two movies that just totally changed cinema sci-fi, or if not changed, then at least became the big movies to rip off for like 20 years, and then never really returned to the genre again.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And never really excelled at anything else.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 03:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

uh gi jane?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

of course. how could I forget that one.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Deckard:Shakes? Me too.
Rachael:What?
Deckard:I get 'em bad. It's part of the business.
Rachael:I'm not in the business. -- I am the business.

Tyrell: 66 thousand Prosser and Ankovich. Hmm.. Trade. Trade at--
Computer: New entry. A Mr. J. F. Sebastian. 1-6-4-1-7.
Tyrell: At this hour? What can I do for you Sebastian.
Sebastian:Queen to Bishop 6. Check.
Tyrell: Nonsense. Just a moment. Mmm. Queen to Bishop 6. Ridiculous. Queen to Bishop 6. Hmm... Knight takes Queen. -- What's on your mind Sebastian? What are you thinking about.
Roy:(whispered) Bishop to King 7. Checkmate.
Sebastian:Bishop to King 7. Checkmate, I think.
Tyrell: Got a brainstorm, huh, Sebastian? Milk and cookies kept you awake, huh? Lets discuss this. You better come up, Sebastian.
Sebastian:Mr. Tyrell. I-- I brought a friend.

kephm (kephm), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

y'know, I think I just love both versions in dif ways, but I mean, if this is on late at night, chopped up and interrupted by (painful) ads for life-saving bracelets and suburban sex shops, I will stay up and watch it. A true test of awesome movie power.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

seduction, the mega love boutique. 5220 metropolitan east.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hahahahaha.
yes!

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Have a better one."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OMG the commercial came on RIGHT NOW. shockah...

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's so amazing to me that ridley scott made these two movies that just totally changed cinema sci-fi, or if not changed, then at least became the big movies to rip off for like 20 years, and then never really returned to the genre again.

Harlan Ellison tells the story that at a meeting with him when Scott was considering Dune with Giger on for design (woulda been great), Scott told Ellison that he wanted to be the John Ford of sf. Imagine if?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

man i'd love to see that alternate reality

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This movie has three big things going for it (in no special order):

1) The visuals. God, what visuals. They do not age, which is point of discussion in itself. This movie should look dated, but it doesn't. Why?

2) The tone. It's pitch-perfect crime drama all the way through, without a wink.

3) The themes. In effect: it has some, whereas most movies do not have the balls to have themes. Even the scenes that should be over the top somehow aren't. If the scene where the creation crushes the creator's skull in anger isn't an obvious metaphor, I don't know what is, but it works. See #2.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

every movie has THEMES.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not like this.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ok, you're right, literally speaking, every movie has themes. But not many movies play as opera.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and even fewer play as "popera."

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one of the most quotable movies ever

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"i say, blade runner!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The obvious: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Great example of a collaborative screenplay as well. Fancher and Peoples never directly worked together but Peoples modified and reworked Fancher's original screenplay just so, both of course running off the ideas of Dick's novel. Then to top it off the 'tears in rain' line was created by Hauer himself!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

he say you brade runner mr decker!

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Then to top it off the 'tears in rain' line was created by Hauer himself!

I didn't know that! It's SO perfect.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

For now, I got a further shock earlier today when I read in Paul Sammon's book on the movie a bit saying that there's a headline on a newspaper Deckard is reading that contains the phrase 'The Moon and Antarctica.' Fuckin' Modest Mouse.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), April 17th, 2006.

thats a great book! truly a labor of love. its so jam-packed with info. its really a treasure trove for anyone who loves the film.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

iy was also Hauers idea to release the dove into the sky too

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I once broke up with a girl because she didn't understand the dove.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you sure YOU broke up with HER?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Quite. I mean, she didn't understand the movie at all. She was a silly little thing.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

holy shit i love this movie.


xpost - don't say "quite" anymore.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's a word, innit? And also, holy shit I love this movie too.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

was kinda like lightning out of a clear blue sky

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the score is brilliant and it's strangely inseparable from the foley track, which is also brilliant.

also: weird '80s references to race and stuff, à la "goonies" and "gremlins." you don't see that anymore for some reason.

the unexpected thing about this film is that the scenes of violence are the worst in the film, and the climax isn't as exciting as you'd hope. it breaks the mood of frustrated desire and apprehension that the film works so hard to build.

has anyone evaluated scott as an action director? i mean, the "action" scenes of this film really let it down, as much for narrative as visual reasons. and IIRC the action scenes of "gladiator" left a lot to be desired as well.

sometimes i feel similarly about david lynch, although he has been known to make really interesting things out of pretty violent scenes.

also i've been told the ending of the director's cut is TOO SUBTLE but


***SPOILERS***

it's hard to imagine how they could have telegraphed the message "DECKERT IS A REPLICANT" any clearer than the edward james olmos character placing the unicorn origami figure outside his apartment. i am impressed by the *economy* of this motif though--they don't overdo it.

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I had to try to explain the unicorn to stoners once. While stoned. It kind of hurt.

okay, I like the Director's Cut way more.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven-year-old me...couldn't understand why my parents weren't going to take me to see Han Solo/Indiana Jones in his new film

i was 12 or 13, just old enough for my dad to take me (he wanted to see it, so i think taking me became kind of a way for him to justify an evening away from home). completely blew my mind.

i think it makes most sense in the context of the urban dystopia films of the time. it's the ultimate urban dytopia, even more than taxi driver or the warriors or escape from new york or whatever. and more prescient by a long shot, because those movies were all predicated on urban desolation, whereas in blade runner the wealth hasn't abandoned the city, it's just moved even farther up above it than before. in a lot of those other movies, you're meant to assume that there's wealth somewhere, but it's certainly not in the city, it's fled somewhere far away. in blade runner, it's right there in your face, looming up above in the penthouses (and selling things to you from giant billboards, recruiting you to go work shit jobs in outer space for megacorporations).

i still love it. but just for fun, here's a little of pauline kael's review (from july 7, 1982):

Blade Runner is a suspenseless thriller; it appears to be a victim of its own imaginative use of hardware and miniatures and mattes. At some point, Scott and the others must have decided that the story was unimportant; maybe the booming, lewd and sultry score by Chariots-for-Hire Vangelis that seems to come out of the smoke convinced them that the audience would be moved even if the vital parts of the story were trimmed.

...Blade Runner doesn't engage you directly; it forces passivity on you. It sets you down in this lopsided maze of a city, with its post-human feeling, and keeps you persuaded that something bad is about to happen. Some of the scenes seem to have six subtexts but no text, and no context either.

...[T]his movie loses track of the few expectations it sets up, and the formlessness adds to a viewer's demoralization -- the film itself seems part of the atmosphere of decay. Blade Runner has nothing to give the audience -- not even a second of sorrow for Sebastian. It hasn't been thought out in human terms. If anybody comes around with a test to detect humanoids, maybe Ridley Scott and his associates should hide. With all the smoke in this movie, you feel as if everyone connected with it needs to have his flue cleaned.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i kind of (read: VERY MUCH) want to watch this immediately. it's been at least 6 years.

gbx (skowly), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

has anyone evaluated scott as an action director?

Scott is not a consistent director in any genre, but dude, watch one Alien.

Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha, ALL I want to do right now is watch this!
xpost

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also kenan you sound like an ass

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"chariots-for-hire"

what a bad joke

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

god i can just imagine pauline kael congratulating herself after every line of that review

not that she's entirely wrong, but it's 95% opinion, 5% description, and a few too many puns

amateurist0, Monday, 17 April 2006 04:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

For those who might not be familiar with Burtynsky (visually quoted in the San Diego junkyard/orphanage scenes):

http://artsintherightplace.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tpg-7-eb.jpg

I wouldn't mind an entire movie set in these sort of spaces. Alas BR 2049 had an aesthetic that worked in the landscapes, but was just too sparse and uninhabited in many of the interiors.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 05:07 (one month ago) Permalink

mark s mentioned him upthread iirc (or maybe i am just remembering our chat after seeing it!)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 08:47 (one month ago) Permalink

this is the best thing i’ve read about the movie so far http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/10/14/the-poetry-of-blade-runner-2049

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 November 2017 23:23 (one month ago) Permalink

agree with brad (got to read that article)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 00:24 (one month ago) Permalink

https://itself.blog/2017/12/12/2019-the-voight-kampff-test/

j., Wednesday, 13 December 2017 02:05 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

A still of Beijing's Pangu 7 Star Hotel enshrouded in smog, 2013. Photo by Zuma Press: pic.twitter.com/HC5siGdAmR

— Ryan Stewart (@crsryan) October 17, 2014

mark s, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nice

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

saw this last night, ended up kinda loving it to my surprise

the dialogue often isn't great but it's utterly beautiful to look at and in its themes and atmosphere it felt really properly philip k dick in a way that i don't think anything other than a scanner darkly has onscreen

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 December 2017 21:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yes after being on a pkd binge last year I too thought this was more akin to his style than anything I've really seen on film.

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh boy!

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/blade-runner/news/a846834/ridley-scott-has-plans-another-blade-runner-sequel/

(This after he complained in another interview that 2049 was too long...which I agree with.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:08 (one week ago) Permalink

dude can’t make anything that’s a) under 2 hrs long or b) doesnt require a 3hr directors cut rerelease to “explain” it original intent so idk maaaaaybe pot calling the kettle black

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I hope it all just collapses into a full Alien/Blade Runner crossover and Michael Fassbender patiently explains to Jared Leto that he will do the fingering.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Slash Runner 2286

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:02 (one week ago) Permalink

i hope it takes more of a “mr hollands opus” approach complete with a full orchestra of recorders

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:40 (one week ago) Permalink

god, still haven't watched this. just never got around to it in theaters, and the past few weeks have been feeling hesitant about it due to length and people being kind of 'meh' on it. maybe bite the bullet tomorrow night.

akm, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:02 (one week ago) Permalink

it comes with the bizarro gazzara guarantee!

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:30 (one week ago) Permalink

It's long, and every scene struggles to know when to end, but it's kinda beautiful and dreamy too.

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh boy!

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/blade-runner/news/a846834/ridley-scott-has-plans-another-blade-runner-sequel/

(This after he complained in another interview that 2049 was too long...which I agree with.)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, January 7, 2018 5:08 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude can’t make anything that’s a) under 2 hrs long or b) doesnt require a 3hr directors cut rerelease to “explain” it original intent so idk maaaaaybe pot calling the kettle black

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, January 7, 2018 5:53 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ya in light of his recent complaints about indie darlings getting Star Wars budgets this comes off like a hilarious ego trip

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:49 (one week ago) Permalink

akm please to listen on headphones or a system turned up loud

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:36 (one week ago) Permalink

imo whatever chemistry ridley had was not related to the things he thinks were the prime ingredients

mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:37 (one week ago) Permalink

2049 was good and I'm glad I checked it in the theaters. Soundtrack was excellent, best thing I've ever heard from Zimmer. I think at home the length will not be an issue.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:52 (one week ago) Permalink

"time… to die"

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9jm5TpB81qdhps7o6_r1_250.gif

mark s, Monday, 8 January 2018 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

smash that motherfuckin flag post button fam

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink

got the impression a lot of the soundtrack was Benjamin Wallfisch using Zimmer's instrument collection, but I'm sure it's been written up

mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't look that closely into it- I'm sure you're right. It's a bit of faint praise saying it's the best Zimmer's done but certainly the best thing I can recall his name being on... I know they used the Yamaha CS-70 a bunch. They probably should have given Vangelis a credit line while they were at it.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

I was thinking they used the original, but apparently "Tears in the Rain" was a cover so there is a Vangelis songwriting credit on one song, at least.

mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:10 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah the ‘tears in the rain’ melody shows up in the final scene with ryan gosling on the stairs in the snow

i appreciated the restraint in the vangelis callbacks, made its eventual return that much more effective

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:13 (one week ago) Permalink

it really felt like an extrapolation of modern soundtrack themes into Vangelis moods, or possibly vice versa, enough that the inclusion of 'Tears' felt natural

mh, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:19 (one week ago) Permalink

the most effective moment was the start of the end credit roll

wtf you acolytes smokin'

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:25 (one week ago) Permalink

can-d iirc

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:27 (one week ago) Permalink

some deets on the score

http://www.factmag.com/2017/10/20/hans-zimmer-wallfisch-blade-runner-2049-interview/

For Zimmer and Wallfisch, composing in reverence to Vangelis was never a question; Zimmer even considered bringing Vangelis in on the project. Hints of the original score are most present on cues like ‘Mesa’ and ‘Joi’, but a hardware choice – the use of a Yamaha CS-80 – was more influential than his actual sounds. The CS-80, a temperamental 200 lbs. analog synth put on the market in 1976, was one of the key pieces of equipment Vangelis used in constructing the score for the original Blade Runner, as well as for Chariots of Fire. Zimmer describes it is as “the most over-designed, complicated, and unwieldy” piece of hardware. “One of its famous design faults is that if you plug the pedal in the wrong way, it will start catching fire and burst into flames,” Zimmer says. “The magic of it is, and what Vangelis embraced so brilliantly, is that it’s a real musical instrument. It responds to your touch, it translates your soul and your musicality the way a musical instrument is supposed to.”

“It’s so the opposite of how we make music in the modern world with a mouse on a screen,” Zimmer continues. “You always have to break your musical thought because your eye has to go and find the cursor as you move the mouse. You’re going right brain, left brain, as opposed to getting the old beast out.”

“We tried to create the intention of a more contemporary sound using 40-year-old technology,” Wallfisch says. “It’s a lot harder but the result has soul.”

“It’s got a little dirt under the fingernails,” Zimmer adds.

The CS-80 was part of a coterie of synths. They also used the u-he “wireless” modular plugin Zebra, as well as the company’s Diva softsynth, which was designed by Urs Heckmann based on Zimmer’s favorite Minimoog; Wallfisch was able to bring out a DSI Prophet-12 he hadn’t yet had the opportunity to use; a SoundToys Crystallizer granular synth altered compositions and then pieces were put through tape delays and covered in reverb before being processed again with the Crystallizer. “One of the things we talked about was the idea of ‘more human than human,’” Wallfisch says. “When you’re creating, you play a chord, and then all these machines take care of this extraordinary, strange, replicant-style advancement of something acoustic.”

Number None, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I saw this in a few weeks ago in a double feature with the final cut of the original, and wow that did not do this movie any favours.

So: the joke with the flame-gouting towers replaced by quiet silent solar farms is pretty good, and Dave Bautista is as noted a treasure, but right after that things start to turn into bad fic - we need a shot where we zoom into a nano-signature because there's one in the original, and we get one, despite there being no reason for K to do this. Also, if you're building a robot, why would you give it bones made of bone?

Leto was terrible, his 10 minutes feel like a half-hour. There's an interesting tension when he meets Ford, but only because they appear to be from completely different films. Ford apparently got massively grumpy at Leto's dicking around with wearing opaque contact lenses at all times - though to be honest, Ford's been undergoing extensive method training for his "the same character but grumpier" roles. NB Ford is still completely great in this.

Also I don't think I was hallucinating from boredom yet, but when they had the remake of Rachel appear, I thought oh that's nice, they're using footage from the original, at least Sean Young will get paid - but apparently that was just a dream and a few minutes later they had someone who doesn't look much like Sean Young sashay out.

I may have been hallucinating during the twist, so many thanks to mh for laying it out.

The car fight was a decent microcosm of the film - it was astonishingly beautiful but that's all it was. In the original, the conflict between Deckard and Batty is resolved, after a well-situated pursuit through a recognisable space, by Batty moving from physical superiority into something philosophical. K vs Luv is resolved by.. K realising it doesn't count if you stab him?

The sex scene was pretty unsettling, and intentionally so, and very PKD (and obv specifically very A Scanner Darkly - the "wtf" expression on K's face is possibly because he's concerned that a bearded Keanu is going to flicker onto one of the faces) but I was actually annoyed that they decided that this was the point where they were going to be prudish, cutting away / to over K's shoulder after the bra comes off. The movie is otherwise swimming in tits - the bomb appears to have gone off during a James Bond title sequence - but tits mustn't unsettle.

i just remembered that deckard has a very nice grand piano in his hideout, and -- presumably hoping instantly to find a further clue -- K plays a single note on it

i like the idea that replicants can play the piano and apparently often do

This is from the original - Deckard plinks out a tune, and then Rachel plays a piece when she's back at his later and remarks on how she can remember how to play it but the lessons she remembers are fakes AND THEN THEY PLAY 'THE ENTERTAINER' TOGETHER AND THAT IS HOW THE SCENE ENDS.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:45 (yesterday) Permalink

Also, if you're building a robot, why would you give it bones made of bone?

i don't think it's ever made clear that replicants are robots per se, is it? i'd always assumed they were some kind of heavily genetically modified clones

Ford is still completely great in this

yeah after spending all his post-the fugitive movies sleepwalking he really seemed to give a shit in both this and the force awakens - the long shot on his face during his scene with leto where he slowly loses his composure is a fantastic bit of subtle acting

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:53 (yesterday) Permalink

i mean the opening crawl refers to them as 'advanced robot evolution' but they are 'born' in some way, can bleed, can (at least once) reproduce... i don't think of them as robots like hunter-killer terminators or whatever

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:58 (yesterday) Permalink

but then it also says they're 'virtually identical to a human' so why wouldn't they have bones?

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:01 (yesterday) Permalink

it's a metaphor

mark s, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:03 (yesterday) Permalink

hate2be smashed through a wall by a hulking angry metaphor

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:04 (yesterday) Permalink

No fair point, robots is definitely the wrong word - but they're stronger and more physically endurant than humans - bones would be the first thing to improve I would have thought.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:04 (yesterday) Permalink

well, some models definitely are, but we see leto's right-hand woman running down the modifications available for mining replicants with a client - presumably a clerical replicant like rachael doesn't need to be capable of punching someone's head off

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:06 (yesterday) Permalink

back to what mark said tho, yeah clearly they are metaphors for what it means to be human - part of what i liked so much about this movie was that it seemed more phildickishly concerned with exploring this from multiple angles than the original

(even managed to slip a reference to what briefly appeared be a dead twin in there, another dick obsession)

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:10 (yesterday) Permalink

guys, I have an embarrassing almost fanfiction-like narrative interpretation of the ending scenes, from K shooting down the escort cars all the way to the end

it's currently saved as a tumblr draft, on account I don't really use. if I get past my shame and hit publish... idk

mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:03 (yesterday) Permalink

going to go store my horrible Terminator ruminations in the same way

mh, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:04 (yesterday) Permalink

you’re such a tease dude

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:20 (yesterday) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4IPBiB7SF4
Some speculate the head of development is a gamergater but it looks impressive.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:22 (yesterday) Permalink

DOO EET MH

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:28 (yesterday) Permalink

I'll hear it mh

You can count on us not to pull the punches either so brace yourself for the searing heat

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:00 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

now deleting for sure, thanks deems

my terminator ruminations are over on that thread though

mh, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:17 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

publish and be deemed

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:40 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

this is why we can’t have nice things

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 20 January 2018 08:46 (four hours ago) Permalink


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