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Which of you Noli-Me-Tangerines are bringing the popcorn for the 12-hour screening of 'Out One', then?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

And at last I get to go see 'Céline and Julie go boating'...

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:57 (seventeen years ago) link

French New Wave C/D S/D OPO

contains some discusion of this. i'm going to see a bunch of this, esp the late '60s films.

i don't get 'c & j' i must confess.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 08:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't sure I was ever going to get to see the full Out One in my lifetime, wow oh wow

I'm not so keen on some of the early 60s movies - La Religieuse is surprisingly conventional and rather dull, Paris nous appartient nouvelle vaguish to the point of parody - but pretty much everything else by Rivette I've seen, particularly the 70s flicks, are ESSENTIAL - a totally new language of time/place/movement in cinema

What's there to get abt Celine and Julie? It is magical fun - esp. if you've read the Henry James story it is obliquely derived from

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you have to pay eight times to see Out Noli Me Tangere? If so, what a swizz.

It has "shifting meanings", so it is perhaps worth going to see it more than once.

Of course, I was there in Le Havre in 1971.

I thought it said Celine and Julie Go Roasting, because I have been watching Vicki Pollard and Cliff Maxford.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 09:56 (seventeen years ago) link

'c&j' just kind of... not me. long and a bit precious.

the nft could have done better than have that poindexter roddick do the prog notes. but i would like to try 'out one'.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose if it is in different "episodes" you don't have to watch it all in one sitting. But that would be cheating.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:10 (seventeen years ago) link

they aren't showing it all in one sitting!

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i have said this before but the rivette/warhol thing with duration -- why don't they show these things late at night, big bruv style.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

it's hard enough to keep yr eyes wide open watching this stuff in the daytime!!

nft patrons are esp. intolerant of snoring in my experience

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm trying to imagine the kind of ppl who wd have seen this film back then -- they contrast rather sharply with the nft crowd!

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose you have to shuffle out and shuffle back in again if you want to watch it all in one go. I get the impression the Le Havre crowd would have seen it all in one go. Sounds bloody awful anyway.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:44 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah no they showed it in one go (well, probably with intermissions) at le havre, but at the nft it'll be over two days, unless you call the 15-hour gap between eps an intermission, which you might, if you were john cage.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link


PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

mind you, i reckon they might put it on dvd. the cost of sous-titring the fucker alone surely says someone's putting up money.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

unless it's the dreaded 'earphone commentary'

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Sales of popcorn alone will cover the sous-titrage, and it would have to be different for DVD anyway. One year on, and I still don't understand why.

Steady Mike might know why. He might know how much 12 hours of sous-titrage would cost as well.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

[lee & herring voice:] ahhhhh! but they don't sell corn d'pop at the nft!!

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

They hate fun.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Rivette's films are mischievous and playful, full of experimentation with narrative structure, character and improvisation.

Oh, if only those first 6 words were true.

There's a series coming to NY featuring Out 1 which I will do my best to miss.


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

those first 6 words are true, what rivette films have actually seen?

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i haveta say, as a viewer only of 'c&j', 'secret defence' and 'va savoir' my socks remained unknocked off.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

well late period rivette is kind of chewy - i liked secret defense as a VERY cool thriller, all those train journeys where nothing happens! - but if you don't much care for C+J, which w/ the poss. exception of belle noiseuse IS JR's 'lightest' film, then he is poss. not the director for you (things i like abt C+J = the climb up the steps, the magic act, the way that Rivette keeps re-telling the story-within-a-story until it resolves itself satisfactorily, the performances, the pills - man the whole flick is so DREAMY in a way few other movies are)

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

gotta bear in mind my favourite film is 'manhunter'.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen, in descending order, Celine et Julie, Va Savoir, le Pont du Nord.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

manhunter is grate apart from some of the s/track choices at the end

Rivette = not a big fan of Scorsese, so I'm guessing he wldn't be too enthused abt Mann either

desperately seeking susan = the american remake of C+J, if that's any help!

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Where is the love for Haut, Bas, Fragile?

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I like Desperately Seeking Susan. No wonder JtN is enthused.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link

ahem 'remake' may have been...hyperbolic exaggeration

but both films do have a scene w/ two chicks performing tricks

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Bought two tix for Out One yesterday at the 'special' price of £30 each - also bought a ticket for L'Amour Fou (255 minutes!) which I guess is the Rivette I most want to see (along w/ C+J, David Thomson really raves abt it in his biographical dictionary piece on Rivette)

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i think ima bottle 'out one' but might do 'l'amour fou'.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Really love La Belle Noiseuse, Va Savoir not so much.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

La Belle noiseuse was on Canadian TV about once a week when I was in my early teens. I haven't seen it in over a decade now, but I remember thinking it was great; the kind of film you could wilfully half-watch while flipping back and forth to music videos or baseball highlights. It develops so slowly that missing little segments of it actually adds to the experience.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
arrrrghhhh fuck this shit, you know? i've been waiting what? six years to see 'l'amour fou' but at the end of the day, life is literally too short for this shit. man gotta eat. four hours!

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 20 April 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, i've thought about it and *i don't even wanna do this*. i'm just about ready to give up on films, perhaps.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Full-length Out 1 coming to NYC this fall. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

An Elusive All-Day Film and the Bug-Eyed Few Who Have Seen It

IF there is a movie equivalent of reading Proust or watching the "Ring" cycle — of committing to an artwork of overwhelming proportions that promises to repay accordingly — it's likely to be found in the films of the French New Wave veteran Jacques Rivette. In a 50-year career Mr. Rivette, a master of the marathon running time, has never made a feature under two hours. (Three or four is more typical.) And in the annals of monumental cinema — a category that includes Andy Warhol's avant-garde provocations, Marcel Ophuls's patient portraiture and Bela Tarr's long-take miserablism — there are few objects more sacred than Mr. Rivette's 12 1/2-hour "Out 1: Noli Me Tangere."

Shot in the spring of 1970, this fabled colossus owes its stature not just to its immodest duration but also to its rarity. Commissioned and then rejected by French television, the film had its premiere on Sept. 9 and 10, 1971, at the Maison de la Culture in Le Havre before receding into obscurity. Hoping to salvage a version for theatrical release, Mr. Rivette, now 78, whittled down his eight-episode, 760-minute serial into a 255-minute alternate cut, which he called "Out 1: Spectre."

"Spectre" has been difficult but not impossible to see. "Noli Me Tangere," meanwhile, has become a true phantom film whose reputation rests on its unattainability. Its title (Latin for "touch me not") seems to predict its fate: an apt one, given that many of Mr. Rivette's films are predicated on obsessive and perhaps futile quests.

This cinephile's holy grail slipped into sight earlier this year when the National Film Theater in London announced a sweeping Rivette retrospective. Its centerpiece was a screening of "Out 1: Noli Me Tangere" on April 22 and 23. (Anthology Film Archives in Manhattan, by coincidence, chose the same weekend to give "Out 1: Spectre" its first New York screening in decades.)

So just how rare is the original "Out 1"? The National Film Theater program claimed it had been "unseen since its one and only screening in Le Havre." David Thomson, in his Biographical Dictionary of Film, notes that it was "never shown properly without mechanical breakdown." The critic Jonathan Rosenbaum reported a sighting at the 1989 Rotterdam Film Festival, where 45 minutes of its soundtrack was missing. Mr. Rosenbaum said that Mr. Rivette cut 10 minutes from the film after Rotterdam. That 750-minute version quietly surfaced at a few European festivals and on French cable television, then disappeared again.

It seems certain, at any rate, that the recent London screening was the film's first presentation with English subtitles. It was, in other words, a big enough deal to inspire a pilgrimage (whose numbers included this writer). With a hushed anticipation, more than 100 of the faithful filed into a darkened room on an incongruously sunny London morning, ready for the long haul. The spectacle that unfolded over two days was, as advertised, unique in movies: an adventure and a hallucination. As time elapses, the viewer succumbs to waves of delight and disorientation, exhaustion and exhilaration.

Among other things, "Out 1" concerns the parallel efforts of two theater companies to put on Aeschylus plays ("Prometheus Bound" and "Seven Against Thebes"). Two oddball loners (Jean-Pierre Léaud and Juliet Berto) separately circle the groups. Characters change names and reveal secret identities. Living Theaterish rehearsals go on for ages. Connective tissue fills in, only to fall away. Mr. Léaud's character is the thickening mystery's self-appointed detective, fixated on cryptic messages about a 13-member secret society, a subplot that Mr. Rivette borrowed from the Balzac suite of novellas "History of the Thirteen."

Building on his improvisational experiments of "L'Amour Fou" (1968), Mr. Rivette worked without a script, relying instead on a diagram that mapped the junctures at which members of his large ensemble cast would intersect. The actors came up with their dialogue; the only thing Mr. Rivette actually wrote were the enigmatic notes Mr. Léaud's character receives. In a 1999 interview Mr. Léaud described the director's methods as "vampiric."

"Out 1" uses documentary techniques — uninflected observation, unscripted situations — not to capture reality but to generate fiction. For Mr. Rivette, narratives — or, more precisely, our hunger for them — can be dangerous. In his best-loved film, "Céline and Julie Go Boating" (1974), a giddy parable on the pleasures and perils of storytelling, the heroines are literally thrust into a haunted house of fiction.

Mr. Rivette's fondness for shadowy conspiracies and paranoid fantasies, which owes a debt to Balzac and the sinister daydreams of the silent-era serialist Louis Feuillade, dates to his first feature, "Paris Belongs to Us" (1960). With "Out 1" he found the perfect match of form and content, an outsize canvas for a narrative too vast to apprehend. In a 1973 interview Mr. Rivette described the film's creep from quasi-documentary to drama in ominous terms: the fiction "swallows everything up and finally auto-destructs."

Mr. Rivette and Jean-Luc Godard were the two major French filmmakers most visibly galvanized by the student riots of May 1968. While Mr. Godard grew overt in his militancy, Mr. Rivette set about on a subtler but no less anarchic course. Much of his 70's work stems from a radical impulse toward destruction and renewal.

The director Claire Denis, who worked with Mr. Rivette in the mid 70's and later made a documentary about him, spent an afternoon on the set of "Out 1" as a student. "Everything was political then," she said in a telephone interview. "Making the film was political. So was watching it." She has fond if somewhat dim memories of the legendary 1971 screening. "It was like an acid experience," she said. "Everyone was more or less stoned."

"Out 1" now seems a relic of a bohemian heyday, a time when you could spend your days rehearsing ancient Greek plays or making 12-hour films. But even in 1970 that hazy idyll was already fading. The film takes its shape, as Mr. Rosenbaum has noted, from "the successive building and shattering of utopian dreams." An epic meditation on the relationship between the individual and the collective, "Out 1" devotes its second half to fracture and dissolution. But it's not a depressing film, perhaps because its implicit pessimism is refuted by its very existence. Experiential in the extreme, "Out 1" cannot help transforming the solitary act of moviegoing into a communal one.

New Yorkers looking to dive in will not have to wait long. "Noli Me Tangere" is set to make its United States debut at the Museum of the Moving Image's Rivette retrospective in November. By way of warm up, Anthology concludes its small Rivette series this weekend with the 70's rarities "Noroît," "Duelle" and "Merry-Go-Round."

Mr. Rivette is still a vital and unpredictable force. The feature he's currently shooting, "Don't Touch the Axe," bears a titular resemblance to "Noli Me Tangere" and will apparently revisit Balzac's "History of the Thirteen." Does this represent a closing of the circle? An expansion of the master plan? If there's one thing we know from Mr. Rivette's films, it's that the big picture will remain just outside our grasp.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not actually that apetizing is it! kudos to lim for flying across the ocean to see it.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 08:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i was there too - i don't think Out One is likely to 'convert' any Rivette agnostics - the theatrical stuff in particular is incredibly timelocked, all v. peter brook/ 'experimental theatre' - the first three hours or so are esp. hardcore, w/ a long long documentary-like recording of an improvised theatrical freak out - but as the writer above points out, gradually the fictional elements of the film take 'centre stage' and it slowly becomes a more mystical, hidden, mysterious, cosmic experience - the sheer length does give it a hallucinatory quality

spending so much time with the lead actors - leaud, bulle ogier, juliet berto, the absolutely superb michael lonsdale - builds a completely different level of recognition/empathy/reflection than one normally experiences w/ narrative cinema of 'conventional' length - and at the end we were left with an incredible, inexplicable and unexpected feeling of loss (I actually heard someone behind say "is that all there is?" at the end!), so much so that i had to return for the 'shorter' (4 and a half hour) Out One: Spectre, where the narrative is re-arranged, re-shaped and re-directed - a fascinating lesson in the relatively arbitrary nature of narrative film construction

all in all, a life-changing experience

the 13 hour print, divided into 8 segments, had a 1990 copyright date but was already pretty fucked/shagged (tho' not quite as bad as the disintegrating print of L'Amour Fou the BFI used - now there's a film in URGENT need of restoration) - however Out One:Spectre was a nice-looking non-grainy restoration, the better to see the sadness in juliet berto's eyes+smile

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

we also got 8 diff prog notes, which was nice

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

bah i never got round to any of this - its probably too much to expect bbc four and nu-freeview film four to broadcast "L'amour fou" or anything from him at some point isn't it (actually has Brit TV ever play any of his movies, i've only seen BBC2 playing one Godard and that was about a year ago)?

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Most of the Rivette films wld need to be restored before they cld be broadcast to an acceptable standard - i don't think anyone is rushing to strike new prints of a 5 black and white art film that doesn't even have any arty tit to compensate for the longeurs

la belle noiseuse has been on terrestrial tv a cpl of times - lotsa nudity in that! - and BBC 2 once screened an early 80s Rivette called L'Amour Par Terre (not one of my faves, despite the great geraldine chaplin being in it) - C4 may even have shown Celine and Julie back in the 'glory days'.

Artificial Eye have released a few of the later Rivettes on DVD

C4 also had TWO Godard seasons back in the 80s/90s - one of them was esp. good for those hard to find documentaries/polemics that JLG was making after La Chinoise, as well as the awesome Histoire Cinema series - but again, DVD is yr best bet these days

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm going to see "C&J go boating" in edinburgh next weekend, it's on for a week alongside "Paris nous appartient". i don't know if that's worth heading through for?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Celine and Julie and Paris Nous Appartient are the two films that the BFI have struck new prints for - Paris is beautiful to look at, is purest essence of nouvelle vague and features lots of Rivette's recurring themes/obsessions/motifs in nascent form (chiefly, the theatre as metaphor for life/cinema + hidden conspiracy as major narrative motor) - i wouldn't rank it amongst my faves because it's more fully scripted than the post-68 improvised epics, but some might prefer that to the 'freeform' 70s improv larking abt of C+J - worth seeing, i wld say

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

god it's so hard to find images from L'Amour Fou or Out One - here is a nice one of bulle from the former:


Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i really want to see Out 1. maybe it will show in edinburgh at some point. possibly during the film festival.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
Picked up "La Belle Noiseuse" and "Celine and Julie Go Boating" a couple fo weeks ago - both are excellent and worth all of yr time...on "celine and julie.." the 2nd DVD has a short by Alain Resnais about the French national library and it's hilariously set-up as thriller-like, in both music and urgent voice-over, a kind of "sexing-up" of archivists.

Wiki lists his movies and ile has a few mentions, just wanted some recommendations of anything that might be available.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 October 2006 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

NYC retro sched not up yet...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 October 2006 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Julio, yr most likely to find the later Rivettes on DVD - 'Secret Defense' and esp. 'Gang of Four' are well worth hunting down, but if you dig the Rivette aesthetic, then you can't go too far wrong, imho. The prints that the NFT screened of Out One:Noli Me Tangere and esp. L'Amour Fou were in TERRIBLE condition, so its unlikely they're going to be broadcast or issued on DVD any time soon. The compacted Out One: Spectre print was a nice pan-European restoration job and cld easily be transferred to DVD - at four and half hours it's not exactly a commercial proposition, tho'. I saw Spectre after the long Out One, and it seemed far too short! V. interesting comparing/contrasting the two, the diff. editing+structuring decisions that Rivette made - I love the way his films are never quite settled or definitive, they always feel like works-in-progress that seem to reflect his mood/state-of-being at the time (see also the 'divertimento' cut of La Belle Noiseuse.)

It's funny, Rivette's working method/choices/events-staged before camera all seem to suggest 'democracy-in-action' - he's very interested in community-gangs-groups, and Out One is like the last gasp of post-68 collective dreaming - but by all accounts he's quite a strong-willed auteur (which I guess you wld need to be to get these monsters made...)

Seeing the full Out One remains my cultural highlight of the year, any year

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 21 October 2006 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Ward - Thanks for yr posts on this, will def be catching (and enjoying, I'm sure) much more from him.

Gotta say I'm quite interested in the theatrical traditons (or experimental theatre) that have worked themselves into his movies (something touched on the discussion in the DVD extra). But these are all questions for another time..

Also I see Film Four are showing 'Celine and Julie..' as their late late movie on tuesday.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

here is Queens NY schedule:


"box dinner available" for Out 1! Lots of coffee I hope.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, that makes sense.

one way street, Monday, 8 August 2016 00:48 (six years ago) link

Those films were restored for the Rivette box set that came out last year, I'm sure mubi will be using the same source material

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Monday, 8 August 2016 07:08 (six years ago) link

Oh, I think I missed that part of the discussion: I wasn't aware of the contents of the Arrow box beyond the release of Out 1.

one way street, Monday, 8 August 2016 11:33 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

Arrow is releasing Duelle, Noroît, and Merry-Go-Round in the US in May and all 3 are now streaming on Amazon Prime.

Chris L, Sunday, 26 February 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

The Story of Marie and Julien -- yes?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 April 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link

Yes. Haven't seen in a while but the leads work well off each other and there's a real sense of romantic loss in Jerzy R's performance, if I recall. I may rewatch tonight now that you've mentioned it.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 28 April 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

3-film blu is out


Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 19:43 (five years ago) link

Been out in the UK for well over a year

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 20:23 (five years ago) link

Reminds me, just got an email from Anthology mentioning a film directed by Juliet Berto.

Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 15 June 2017 00:20 (five years ago) link

It's an Eduardo de Gregorio box set that's really needed

Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 June 2017 05:22 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

“It’s the Jacques Rivette movie for people who can’t stand Jacques Rivette movies—and yet no one else could’ve made it.”

that's me, i guess


ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 November 2017 16:00 (five years ago) link

Great that the writer mentioned Quince Tree Sun at the end there - as I was thinking about it as I read it.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 November 2017 22:24 (five years ago) link

i love the QTS so much

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Monday, 27 November 2017 22:34 (five years ago) link

I heard a great story about that director, wonder if I’ve posted it already

Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 00:00 (five years ago) link

I'd like to hear a story about Victor Erice.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:13 (five years ago) link

So he was at the Walter Reade Theater for a festival of his films and told the audience that one of the reasons he cast Ana Torrent in The Spirit of the Beehive is that when he asked her “Do you know who Dr. Frankenstein is?” she replied “Yes I do, but we haven’t been introduced.”

Modern Zounds in Undiscovered Country (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:56 (five years ago) link


Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 01:59 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

Watched the New Yorker Films (!) DVD of La Belle Noiseuse last weekend and hey, I still don't much like Rivette! At least Michel Piccoli's presence meant I made it through in 2 days. I did like Emmanuelle Beart's insouciance in the second half.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 20:51 (four years ago) link

WTF Out 1 (and bunch of other Rivettes) is free to watch on Amazon Prime.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 23:06 (four years ago) link

On closer inspection Out 1 (and Le pont du nord) is on a Fandor channel you can do a trial of for free and then subscribe to through Amazon. But there are other ones on Prime.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 23:10 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

anyone want to browbeat me into seeing Gang of Four on 35mm tonight?



a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:47 (four years ago) link

actually, looking closely it seems to be on DCP... there's no US disc anyhoo.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:49 (four years ago) link

The Nun is getting a minor re-release over here and I've never seen it. Curious to see what Karina does with it.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 21:22 (four years ago) link

There is a North American DVD of Gang of Four. I've had it for 15+ years and I'm shocked to find that it's still available:


And it's great! See it.

The Nun is his most "conventional" feature and not among my favourites, but still very much worth watching.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Thursday, 9 August 2018 02:14 (four years ago) link

In the UK you can currently buy Gang of Four, Wuthering Heights and Love on the Ground on DVD for £3 each.

Gang of Four is indeed very great, but is so quintessentially Rivettian that I can't imagine it pleasing a Rivette sceptic like the good Doctor M.

Agree w/ you about The Nun - a Rivette adaptation of Diderot text starring Anna Karina sounds like the best thing ever, but the actual film is a bit lumpy and dull.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 9 August 2018 09:30 (four years ago) link

Gang of Four is really good, love that film.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 August 2018 09:59 (four years ago) link

i went to some silent shorts instead

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 11:59 (four years ago) link

On brand

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 August 2018 12:15 (four years ago) link

presumably i will run across either the Go4 disc or a 35mm screening someday

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 14:23 (four years ago) link

Lots of Rivette films have their double or pair, and the film that I would pair w/ Gang of Four - as its echo inverse etc - is L'amour Fou, the film Rivette made after the disaster of The Nun, also w/ Bulle Ogier and (as I habitually say on this thread) in desperate need of a proper restoration. When I first got into Rivette, investigated his entry in Thomson's Biographical Dictionary, borrowed Jonathan Rosenbaum's scarce BFI mongraph on JR from the old BFI library, I seriously thought I would probably never get to see the complete Out One in my lifetime, and now it is easy to see in high definition, everywhere. So, one day!

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:21 (four years ago) link

"The Nun" is a favorite of mine but it's still a pretty big left turn after "Paris nous appartient", for me, and even though stagey feels the least Rivette of all his films.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 9 August 2018 21:13 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

All the sapphic habit-diving in the last third of The Nun is borderline risible, but I liked it more than is typical with me and JR. The story of its banning is at least as compelling. (Mme de Gaulle did it)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:01 (three years ago) link

exciting opportunity to watch out 1 in london


devvvine, Friday, 28 June 2019 19:27 (three years ago) link

I'm guessing that this is a screening of the digital version that Arrow and others have released on Blu-Ray in the last few years, possibly timed to coincide w/ a new standalone Out 1 set w/ both versions of the film:


Still no sign of L'Amour Fou though!

Ward Fowler, Friday, 28 June 2019 19:39 (three years ago) link

Have a chance to see Duelle for free at a newly opening theater in Seattle in a few weeks.

JoeStork, Friday, 28 June 2019 22:49 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

so watched the full out 1 over the weekend, and still unsure how I feel about it. contrary to what most people’s experience seems to be, I found the extended theatre exercises to be the most captivating; observing the evolutions and magnetism of people, pushing and pulling, growing and deflating — and the moments where what little we learn in the external sequences seem to infect these communities.

i was never bored but frequently frustrated, a feeling that only grew as i realised the whole thing was an improvisational exercise and the total absence of a defined reality, just the world as the individual actors understand it. the sense of lost promise is so strong and I left the cinema on the verge of anger, but living more and more with what it is, am only finding it more fascinating. been thinking of it as a komboloi, something to hold with you, thread through your hands, feel individual moments it as you go about your life, idk looking forward to growing with it

devvvine, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:07 (three years ago) link

is there an obvious movie to start with this guy? out 1 seems daunting.

just realized his photo is featured a couple times in The Image Book

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 16:54 (three years ago) link

His most popular is Celine et Julie, after which you can pick others based on whether you like that or not.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:00 (three years ago) link

Paris Belongs To Us is essential Nouvelle Vague, and shorter than usual for him.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 17:19 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Celine et Julie or perhaps La Belle Noiseuse. That one isn't that typical, but it's very easy to watch. Though a lot of the popularity has to do with the very large amounts of nudity in it, I suspect.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 18:09 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Paris Belongs to Us is really mysterious and beautiful and is amazingly confident for a first feature-length film

Dan S, Saturday, 11 April 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

haven’t seen any other Rivette films yet besides his first and now his last, Around a Small Mountain. it’s interesting that his last film was so straightforward. wondering about the arc in between

Dan S, Friday, 3 July 2020 00:18 (two years ago) link

more like a rollercoaster

a frequently quiet and/or tedious one

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 July 2020 01:09 (two years ago) link

people who have nothing to do and nowhere to go

Dan S, Friday, 3 July 2020 01:30 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Finally saw La Belle Noiseuse and found it totally enthralling, and singular and mature among his films I've seen. It avoids most of the pitfalls I half-expected it to fall into when I first heard about it years ago. No clumsy eroticism; It takes the work seriously without veering off into exaggerated or doofy paens to Art. I don't know if you could even call their relationship a battle of wills. They could be two co-workers butting heads over the design of a building or machine. Loved it.

Chris L, Friday, 14 August 2020 16:14 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

A recent YouTube upload - a subtitled print of L'amour Fou (seemingly sourced from a video) - the image quality might be tough to take over four hours:


Ward Fowler, Thursday, 13 May 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

It's my favourite of his!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 May 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link

It's great, except for the director wearing his sunglasses under his chin for most of the duration.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 13 May 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

this (by jacques rivette) is the funniest piece of film criticism ever written, in that it somehow massively insults three completely unrelated directors and makes jacques demy look like a nerd pic.twitter.com/Xsu6LFtWZX

— axaxaxas lmaö (@demarionunn) December 29, 2021

from: https://www.sensesofcinema.com/2001/jacques-rivette/rivette-2/

mark s, Thursday, 30 December 2021 18:14 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Here's your Rivette news for Spring 2023...

-So far this year, Cohen has released four films on Blu-ray: L'Amour par Terre, La Bande des Qautre, Haut Bas Fragile, and Secret Defense.

-The "version longue" of Va Savoir (3h 45m) was restored in 2021 and has surfaced on the French streaming service UniversCine. A title card about the restoration describes it as the "first version" of the film. You can watch it if you have a VPN and 1 Euro to spare for a month's trial. No subtitles though.

-L'Amour Fou has been restored and is being shown at Cannes. Info and clip here: https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/f/l-amour-fou/. Hopefully Blu-ray to follow eventually!

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 26 May 2023 06:20 (one week ago) link

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