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i just got a new phone for extending my cell plan, and it's one of those razr ones. i cant figure out how to configure it so that people's names come up when they call me. so far, i just get their numbers. and that would be LAME if thats all i can get.

help-ski?

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link

do you have one of the PINK razrs?

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

RAZR is awful

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i agree dude! i just wanted a new phone, and my brother told me they were free! its too wide, and it may not be able to show names!

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

no its grey

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

lol i'm getting a RAZR in a couple of days

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 March 2006 01:33 (sixteen years ago) link

ok - the call display works fine now. it's still too wide, but i can cope.

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 24 March 2006 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link

RZR sucks! what a piece of shit phone! the samsung A900 is way better!!!!! but its only with sprint :(

chaki (chaki), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link

what in particular is bad about razr, except for its width and its awful name?

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, the bluetooth is bad on it

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I've got a razr. Do these people have names attached to their entries in the address book? Mine come up automatically on the external screen once a name is entered.

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

my wife got me one of these last year. it's fine. smaller than my old nokia clunker. there's a bunch of multimedia stuff about it that i haven't tried to figure out and may well be annoying if i tried to use it, but for making phone calls and being reasonably easy to carry around, i've got no complaints.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

V3 just came out last week from RAZR fixing the above mentioned problems.

biz, Friday, 24 March 2006 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

its flimsy as fuck, the keypad is shitty and has major issues, the hardware is faulty, the oem screen is slow, buggy and so is the bluetooth compatability. (seriously notice the delay time between opening up the phone and when the oem screen actually appears.) the thing is so flimsy that most things that break it void the warrenty and then the cheapest repair is like $200. its got like no memory compared to other phones way cheaper. it doesnt tell you how many missed calls you have. the phonebook functionality is awful, shit like you have to type in the full first name to fine a contact... i can go on and if you like.

seriously though this phone kicks ass. its like a kick in the face t the rzr. the samsung a900 "the blade"!!:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/MobilePhones/Sprint/images/a900duo.gif

xxxxx-post

chaki (chaki), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link

the pebble also rules.

chaki (chaki), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

i paid 59 dollars for my RAZR, how much is the Samsung? that wasn't an option at the cingular store so i don't know if it's available for that service. i wasn't thrilled to get the RAZR but i'm happy with it so far. of course the Samsung ripped off the design but i do dislike the keypad on the RAZR.

biz, Friday, 24 March 2006 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link

pebl looks nice.

but i'm not allowed to participate in this thread.


NDAs, DOODZ.

gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

don't want to seem like a RAZR cheerleader cuz i just got it a week ago, but so far i've not seen any delay on opening the phone and seeing the oem screen. it's instantly there when i open the phone. also, i've not come across any errors or problems with the keypad. It's a crappy interface but everything works as it should. also, you say they're flimsy. i completely don't see that criticism. they're heavy, metal and very well constructed in relation to my last phone. i'm no cell phone afficianodo (or speller) but it feels solid and has worked perfectly for the last week. haven't tried any bluetooth bizness yet and probably won't. those asswhipes with the headsets look so ridiculous and annoy the shit out of me, plus, i was born with 2 hands, 1 to hold the phone, the other to hold the coffee or my dick. it works well.

biz, Friday, 24 March 2006 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

my razr is a total step up from the horrible old candybar i had before, but still its featureset might not be great compared to others? the bluetooth is sorta slow (but i don't know if any is faster? no basis for comparison) and i customized it so the turning bluetooth on menu is easy to get to so i can sync fast with computer. the camera resolution is good enough for a frikin phone since, i mean, i'm not much of a pictures person anyway. the fact of bluetooth at all is awesome and new to me is the thing + also the mp3 ringtone feature is great even if i haven't gotten around to really using it yet.

its not v. responsive with the one game i dled but i don't really play cell games anyway so it doesn't matter.

my big objection -- NO FUCKIN STOPWATCH. How the hell did they miss this? i found some java app that does the job that i'm going to play with, but still, of all the things not to bother to put on.

the keypad is plenty responsive, i find + the all metal thing is nice coz my phone (folded) gets quite a bit of banging even tho i'm hella careful with it when i'm using it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:15 (sixteen years ago) link

The A900 is just as bad as the RAZR in my experience. The phone is crappy, the menus and keys are slow to respond, missed calls don't just show up when I open the phone (like every other phone I've ever had). It really sucks as a phone.

OTOH, it seems to be indestructible and it was free. And my "Guns of Brixton" ringtone sounds good on it.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link

ive been diggin on the Sony Ericsson W600! its orange!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I want a phone built like the Sidekick (smallish, side-opening w/ QWERTY keyboard, reasonable PDA impression) but that doesn't suck (and works with Sprint).

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:30 (sixteen years ago) link

btw jon what app do you use on yr mobile to browse ilx?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 March 2006 05:02 (sixteen years ago) link

the reason i ask being i downloaded opera mini and it handles cookies supereasy.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 March 2006 05:27 (sixteen years ago) link

sidekick doesnt side open, it flip tops. i tried to win a blackberry at work yesterday (im contracting with a wireless company and its their lastest product) so i could complete the cellular holy trinity - a magenta razr, sidekick II and blackberry.
i like my razr plenty. that said, im not interested in using bluetooth or using it for web browsing, just calls, so its easy to forgive any technical shortcomings. what i dont like about it is the short video but thats my only real complaint. its a delight to look at and talk on. As for the original question, you dont use names on a razr, you use pictures. saves you all that annoying reading when someone calls.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 24 March 2006 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link

i can't wait for my RAZR tomorrow!!! But then again I probably won't be using any functions other than phoning and sending txts. like. i already have a digicamera and an mp3 playah coming innit.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 24 March 2006 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I am posting this from my razr at this very moment!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

get a sidekick

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:28 (sixteen years ago) link

The RAZR strikes me as a good boy phone because it's nice and flat for slipping into your pocket. Other phones cause a bulge, don't they? Also, any phone the comes with a free iPod has to be OK.

I have a Samsung D500, which is a great handbag phone - easy to grab from amongst the old bus tickets, lip glosses and other assorted junk.

M├Ądchen (Madchen), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

vic has a RAZR and hates it with a passion, terrible interface on it and just..... not nice at all.

Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

in that new airplane show 'the loop', the main guy has a sidekick. for some reason theyve gone to the trouble to insert the sidekick sleep mode sound effect whenever he ends a call. its odd and distracting.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

viva la RAZR! I got mine today. Still charging. It looks really pretty in black when it's closed. I don't know why they thought they wanted to put that silver keypad in there though. If it had just black keys it'd have been the best phone evar. Also: I'm still charging it so i haven't used it yet.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 27 March 2006 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link

They look very flimsy but then all clamshell type phones look flimsy to me.

robster (robster), Monday, 27 March 2006 09:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I almost got one of these phones yesterday, but didn't when I realized that it didn't have the appropriate jack to line out and record conversations for interview transcription. I can't imagine why they wouldn't have that jack, because it's the same jack for any basic cell phone headset.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:40 (sixteen years ago) link

"vic has a RAZR and hates it with a passion, terrible interface on it"

is that true of all motorola phones - i HATE mine. tho mine is a cheap piece of crap too, which doesn't help

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link

probably - it's just damn ugly and clunky (the interface that is) I don't like the keypad either, feels like it should have Victor Kyam advertising it.

and the battery life?? appalling

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

My flatmate used to moan about her Motorola and tell me it couldn't do obvious things that every phone ought to be able to do. I never really believed her, then my colleague at work moaned in a similar way about her (different) Motorola. I have come to the conclusion that they are rub.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:53 (sixteen years ago) link

(I like the look and size of the RAZR, though)

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link

we still can't work out how to make the bloody thing ring for longer before going to voicemail!!

oh yeah, it's a pretty object, a bit like a Starck citrus squeezer - looks great, is piss poor in operation.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Motorolas suck. If we were all into Motorolas we'd never have discovered how to text. Goodbye, Moto!

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 March 2006 12:57 (sixteen years ago) link

my nokia is ok, i make telephone calls on it, sometimes. and, also, sending a txt is quite simple

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link

almost bought a razr last month when replacing my (coughs) 7yr old phone. glad i didn't after reading this. got a 2fr1 samsung deal.

it works.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i know three people who have returned razrs due to serious defects (no battery life; no display after a few minutes; phone unable to store any info). that was enough to scare me away from them, although these were all first wave purchasers so perhaps things have been fixed up a bit.

I have a Samsung D500, which is a great handbag phone - easy to grab from amongst the old bus tickets, lip glosses and other assorted junk.

otm. in fact, i got mine because i saw madchen's and liked it so much.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

My friend Carlos has a lovely new chrome Nokia which brings me out in I WANT.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I was sad to finally let go of my Nokia loyalty but there seemed to be nothing on offer that was remotely up to the spec of my new Sony Ericsson.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

You had a nokia loyality?? thats like having a microsoft loyality. v. queer. maybe its different in the UK.
i dont know where you peeps are getting your razrs. the battery on mine lasts a good 3 or 4 days and although i only make a few calls on it a day, i sure mess around with it a lot. The keys are fine for me. Maybe its a problem for the chunky fingertipped. i dont know. i do tend to use my fingernails when dialing. Also, they arent flimsy at all. ive dropped mine in a carpark and stood on it twice and its just fine.

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link

i have now sent two txts with the RAZR. i am happier with it now that i'm getting used to the spacebar not being the 0 key. I still haven't figured out how to put a fullstop after a word though (i seem to have to put in a space in between!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Nokia is VERY popular here - a lot of people HATE clamshell phones and Nokia basically looked and worked best until the Sony Ericsson phones came out. But I want a Carlos nokia.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I have a Nokia loyalty. It's just every other phone I've tried has a really annoying menu/interface, but then I haven't tried that many. I had a Samsung for about 3 days, but I hated it and replaced with, yes, a Nokia.

I haven't tried a Sony Ericsson though. My first phone was an Ericsson, but that was pre-Sony.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 27 March 2006 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Ambrose, it is hard to find a black phone in a crypt of a handbag. Clamshells and slideys = war with crumbs at some point. Much as I like it, that lovely onyx black tends to get gubbins on it too. Silver phones that look and feel like a smaller version of a TV remote are COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. I loved those deep, rich red Nokias that everyone had circa 2000. Presently, that only leaves the chrome, which matches other choices (I don't wear gold, ever).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

i appreciate that i dont suffer the handbag problem, as i am actively pursuing testicular cancer/low sperm count by having my phone dangling aroudn my crothc in my jeans pocket

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

has anyone removed and painted a faceplate?

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 27 March 2006 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

this was my old phone nokia 8310
http://www.wijkman.nl/gsm/i1643996-54.jpg

worked really well for the past 3 years which is part of the reason why i never bothered to upgrade. it was just so easy to do everything with one hand (which you can't really do so easily with any clamshell ones). i can't quite wrap my thumb far enough i think to text one handed on the RAZR (in case i want to have a wank whilst i text)

ken c (ken c), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

actually it's not the width mainly but because it's all flat, so i have to really make sure i get the right button and can't do it by feel as well. also. i have to work out a way to hold it so that i don't get fingerprints all over the little screen at the front.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

it was just so easy to do everything with one hand (which you can't really do so easily with any clamshell ones).

Ah yes - that makes sense.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Motorola have had consistantly awful user interfaces all through their lives. Early razrs didn't have t9 which is shocking in this day and age.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Why is T9 called T9? It's not a very catchy name. Is there some company called T9 making loads of money and hating prawns and collieries?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah ha.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

yes, well they aren't called T9, I forget the name, but they get a fee for every phone with it installed.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

so anyway what should i use as my mp3 ringtone? currently i have beyonce's "check up on it" but i don't like so much.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been on "pon de replay" for months now and i love it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link

You boys.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i can't do mp3 ringtones on my phone so i'm limited to what T-Mobile offers me, and it's the best one i've found. what i really want is a man's voice barking "hey! hey! hey! hey!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

You're not limited to what T-Mobile offer you, though. You should be able to download midi files from anywhere (or mmf files or something, if you have a funny phone)

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll admit i haven't looked into it very hard.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

the best ringtone is justus kohncke "elan (dub)"


the nokia 8310 is the best phone i think in terms of looks, use etc. why do they always get rid of the good stuff and replace it with crud

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

mine has a bit where you can take the back picture off and insert your own. i used this picture i took of i-787

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.norfolkwindmills.com/images/nearalbany.jpg

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 27 March 2006 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

You would.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 27 March 2006 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I lost my RAZR last night. All the drunken nights it managed to stay safe, and I lost it at a movie. After many phone calls, it appears unlikely to be recovered. I just spent a bunch of money I don't have to spend on a Samsung t309 that I don't like very much and now I don't have a RAZR. :(((

Laura H. (laurah), Monday, 27 March 2006 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

This is why we shouldn't buy nice things. See: my iPod

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 27 March 2006 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I think my pocket might have been picked. Even if it wasn't, no one will give it back.

Laura H. (laurah), Monday, 27 March 2006 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Yea, and if you could get yr SIM card back you wouldn't be locked into ANOTHER 2 YEARS. Fcukers

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 27 March 2006 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

happy w/ my razr and can operate it quite easily w/ one hand

RJG (RJG), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I want a RAZR for the following reasons:

-Works w/ Cingular
-Has a camera
-Bluetooth (works grebt with iSync)

Either that or the Motorola V551, which seems sturdier.

I'm not a real fan of flip-phones, but these cheapo free-with-the-plan Nokias keep on sucking.

naus (Robert T), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link

ALL THOSE REASONS = DOZENS OF OTHER PHONES BRO; JUST BUY A GSM PHONE OR WHATEVER CINGULAR USES AND POP YR SIM CARD IN

DONE

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Yea, and if you could get yr SIM card back you wouldn't be locked into ANOTHER 2 YEARS. Fcukers

You can get replacement SIM cards from your carrier. They'll charge you a fee, I think around $20.

mikef (mfleming), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link

i had a polyphonic "get busy" on my last phone and i really liked that. thinking to stick to dancehall maybe and add some electroish oldschool hiphop stuff. i should really get cracking on this tonight when i get home from work. important quality of life issue here.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

mine now plays the music of when you get the invincibility in super mario bros.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

i have verizon and we don't have SIM cards (or at least, no phone I've ever had with them has had one). what determines whether or not you have a SIM card? Carrier or phone?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Carrier; I think only GSM carriers have them?

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

you are right. how annoying.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm cell-phone illiterate, so here's a question: is it possible to custom-create one's own ringtone? There's a bit from Topography of the Lungs that I'd like to have my next phone splat at me.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Some phones have ringtone creators on them. It's rather fiddly.

With others, you could make a midi file or mp3 file (depending on what your handset can play) on a computer and then transfer it to your phone either by USB cable or by hosting it somewhere on the web and then pointing the WAP or other browser on your phone at it. If you have such things.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I use a wav file I bluetoothed as mine

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
ok dudes, i dropped the razr in the toilet, and im not really all that sorry.

i need a new verizon-capable phone. id like to pay $150 or less (on ebay), but suggest irrespective of price - is anyone super-pumped about their phones? i hated the razr because it was too wide, the button response was poor, the camera had no flash, and it was really vulnerable to water damage (i got a replacement once, when one drop got into it and it blew up). any ideas?

69, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Hurrah, I finally got round to replacing my razr! D

on't think you'd be interested in my replacement though, it's quite bulky, though it does have a flash, it's a sony ericsson K800i. I learnt my lesson, the only concession I made to looks is that I got the brown one!

Vicky, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

pete my phone was free from verizon. it's fine.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Nokia_6215i/4505-6454_7-32041929.html?tag=pdtl-list

Mr. Que, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:15 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahah suckers

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I have a Razr. I got it free and it's adequate but has some irritations. That said, i only switch it on about twice a week. I hate phones.

admrl, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:25 (fifteen years ago) link

I like my RAZR, apart from the camera having no flash. Although it take me a while to get used to the texting and searching processes.

Anna, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link

jon i've heard you talk shit about verizon? or cdma? i don't remember, but what's the issue?

gff, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Best thing about the "RAZR"? The fact that it led to the name of the newer "KRZR"!

Spencer Chow, Monday, 30 April 2007 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

theres the RIZR now too. Two Verizon phones ive been diggin on lately are the LG 8700 (its stainless steel!) 6315i.

chaki, Monday, 30 April 2007 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

The RAZR is the worse successful phone ever. Verizon deliberately cripples phones (and is CDMA iirc) so you guys won't even get to see your RAZR's bluetooth not work right!

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

but you can watch shakira on vcast!

chaki, Monday, 30 April 2007 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Fresno's ROCK Station

libcrypt, Monday, 30 April 2007 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

BUT WAHT IS RONG W/ CDMA?? this is question.

I kno Vzn cripples fons, I have a Moto 815 which is a bit bulky but performs really well (an ANTENNA how QUAINT) and was the last generation of their phones to have a Moto UI instead of the mandated cross-manufacturer VZW one that they all have now. This means I can send myself little mp3s in a txt and the phone can save & use them as ringtones, something totally verboten now and forevermore.

Apparently CDMA is only in use in S.Korea as well, and the entire planet is on GSM? Except for, what Germany, which is TDMA? (T-Mobile in this country) how long can that last?

gff, Monday, 30 April 2007 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I lost my RAZR on holiday. It was a good thing. Horrible phone.

kv_nol, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link


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