Would Anyone Still Vote Labour?

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...and if so, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Riot Clone, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Would Anyone Still Vote Labour?

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Bold new tactics from Conservative Central Office I see

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted Labour in the last election, because I didn't want my MP to be the obnoxious time-served local councillor that the Tories put up. If the Tories do the same next time, I'll vote Labour again.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

TWO PARTY SYSTEM

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Our last Labour candidate had some sort of sexual conviction (spent)...

When the tory guy won, there was a congrats message from our previous deselected Labour candidate, J.Griffiths MP.

What a worl'

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

woah

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i never have voted labour, but am considering not voting for anyone next time.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Thatcher's Britain for you

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted Green once but, other than that, I've never not voted Labour. My local MP is Jeremy Corbyn, so there's my get out clause

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I am actually curious if the political debates of ILX have actually ever influenced any UK persons' political beliefs and/or actions?

Hello Cthulhu (kate), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

mark s to thread.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

crazy raving looney party 4tw

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

monster raving, even

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought that was deliberate, ken.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yes i meant the combined forces of tories and newlabour

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd vote Labour because they still represent the only party with a direct link to the lived experience of working people through the link with organised labour. And, despite the fact that they prosecuted the war, the largest number of anti-war MPs were Labour (133 rebels). Unless people wish to see nothing change and things to get worse (hello abstainers!) then the best way to change things for the better is through a better Labour Party.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

"The link with organised labour" - you mean the ball and chain round Blair's leg? It's true that this is easily the best thing about the Labour Party

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

voting for this labour party won't make them better.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Those sentiments are really moving until I think about the actual history of the Labour Party.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The logical conclusion of Dave's argument almost appears to be to have only one party, whereas I prefer the idea of 0 parties.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Those sentiments are really moving until I think about the actual history of the Labour Party.

Meaning what?

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd vote Labour because they still represent the only party with a direct link to the lived experience of working people through the link with organised labour.

the tories obviously have some link with the lived experience of working people, otherwise working people, including union members, wouldn't vote tory in large numbers.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Meaning the Labour Party has always been dominated by power groups who don't have a "direct link to the lived experience of working people". Meaning the Labour Party has consistently expelled or marginalised members who've made any concerted effort to create a Socialist economic system. Meaning the Trades Union movement has consistently striven to maintain pay heirarchies and to marginalise the poorest sections of society. And on and on and on.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Meaning the Labour Party has been proudly selling out the working classes since its inception.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I would say that there have been periodic struggles over ideology within the Labour Party (and Movement) which have generally been won by the right rather than say "the Labour Party has been proudly selling out the working classes since its inception"

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

either which way it's going to be a vote for the republicans anyway amirite?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Who exactly has been fighting the good fight on behalf of the working classes? The SWP? You may roffle now...

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd vote for shawn wright-phillips.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Ypu're begging a question there, Dada.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link


I'd vote for them again because I'm not convinced any other party would do a better job, hardly a ringing endorsement but probably a significant factor in a lot of people's voting tactics last time around.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I might in local elections but I'll have to look at my (Labour) MP's record more closely before the next parliamentary election. (She's new, and has a majority over LD of about 500 iirc)

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I have never actually voted Labour in my life - it's always been the Liberals/Alliance/Lib Dems, tactically in '83, '87, '92 and '97 because they were the main opposition to the Tories in my constituency at the time (Oxford West and Abingdon), and then for real in the last two elections. Unless the Lib Dems foolishly decide to steer rightwards next time, I don't see any reason to change my voting habit.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I voted Labour since the late 80s but voted Lib-Dem last time. I live in a safe tory seat (but hey it's The Gay Tory!) and so I could safely protest my opposition to Blair (in particular). However the thought of the tories gaining power again would make me vote Labour again in a trice (or whatever a very short time is) if I thought it would make a difference. Thatcher was a fcking disaster and all the things that people hate about Britain stem from those years. The trouble is that Blair has not had the guts to change that, scared crapless that he'll lose the mythical middle England vote, and thus lose the power which he loves so dearly.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Blair has not had the guts to change that, scared crapless that he'll lose the mythical middle England vote

Or maybe he's just a right wing cunt.

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The Tories are going to win the next election anyway, so you may as well just vote for who you like

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

lol

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3710830.stm

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

We're hardly in the same situtation now tho

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

And we won't be in the same situation as we are now in two or three years time.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, by that time the Tories will be even more certain of winning the election

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, presumably in that time the Tories will have gathered a fair amount of increased support and momentum, enough to ensure the narrowest victory margin (for either them or Labour) in a very long time. (xpost)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Why would a middle class Middle England voter NOT vote Tory in the next election?

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

MIDDLE CLASS GUILTs

Why does the birds always shitting on me? (noodle vague), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

New Tories too soft on gays?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Why be guilty about voting for that nice Mr. Cameron?

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

After all he's more like Tony Blair than Tony Blair is these days

Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Sod middle class guilt. ILX is slowly turning me Tory.

Hello Cthulhu (kate), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I must revive my joining labour plan, may once Blair has gone. I don't tend to vote labour as I live in a safe labour seat and feel I can do more good by voting for a minority party in the current system.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Three years time = no Blair. That's going to make a huge difference. The most the tories can hope for is for a re-run of '92 with Brown as Major. Brown turns out to be ineffectual AND unable to control the party and the Tories win the nxt election. It could happen but I doubt it.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

He was a Junior Exhibitioner?

hmmm...

Mark G, Friday, 28 April 2023 14:07 (eleven months ago) link

Are we talking about Starmer here or Sir Alex Ferguson?

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 28 April 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link

(xp)

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 28 April 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link

lol!

calzino, Friday, 28 April 2023 14:11 (eleven months ago) link

he has a piece on the new wedding present book picking his favourite track

koogs, Friday, 28 April 2023 17:39 (eleven months ago) link

on / in

I’m on the same page as @Keir_Starmer, literally 😁 @UKLabour @weddingpresent @richard040560 #allthesongssoundthesame pic.twitter.com/8b3DL8zbmg

— Iain Key (@iainkey) April 19, 2023

koogs, Friday, 28 April 2023 17:50 (eleven months ago) link

His flair for vivid and colourful storytelling really takes you back there and is another good example of his artistic capability.

calzino, Friday, 28 April 2023 20:05 (eleven months ago) link

I would imagine he's in good company in what is potentially the most boring book ever published...

Co-edited by David Lewis Gedge, lead singer and main songwriter with The Wedding Present, and music writer Richard Houghton, All The Songs Sound The Same brings together over 300 stories from fans, friends and current and former members of The Wedding Present, who each write about their favourite song by The Wedding Presents."

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 28 April 2023 20:14 (eleven months ago) link

thanks for making me give up on the Wedding Present as well as the Labour Party you grim turd

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 April 2023 20:39 (eleven months ago) link

Wouldn’t Stella Creasy already have had that effect?

steely flan (suzy), Friday, 28 April 2023 22:48 (eleven months ago) link

We are so doomed https://t.co/0zR5l5fvPi pic.twitter.com/iDb4YOg45s

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV3) April 29, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 29 April 2023 22:34 (eleven months ago) link

"The financial situation has changed. Pray it doesn't change any further." pic.twitter.com/93uEpIoele

— Phil (@Piplodocus_) May 2, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 09:55 (eleven months ago) link

He added there were "other ways of approaching this"

no there aren't you ugly piece of human garbage. Ed pledged to knock tuition fees down to 6 grand and got rinsed in the election because his manifesto was weak pish.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 10:19 (eleven months ago) link

The Labour Right are pro student loans anyway

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:12 (eleven months ago) link

he was on Today this morning and i had to switch it off immediately. like having a deputy headteacher unsure of his own authority right in my kitchen

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:26 (eleven months ago) link

there is no magic money tree for education or healthcare they say, but they can always shake out billions from the fucker when the private sector donors that own them click their fingers. They are grotesque and pointless.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:28 (eleven months ago) link

the excuses are so fucking threadbare. you either make these things a priority or you don't.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:31 (eleven months ago) link

it's a good job we've got Putin and covid, because otherwise this card would be trying to use the 2008 financial crisis as an excuse for maintaining the austerity consensus.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:35 (eleven months ago) link

Fucking using a Theresa May attack line from 2017 as a reason voters don’t deserve anything except more penury

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:37 (eleven months ago) link

I saw an amusing little sideshow on twitter yesterday. Babs had deleted a lie tweet about her buying her first home at the age of 20 after someone pointed out she had many times previously given a different autobiographical version of events. lol, these people who lose themselves in lies.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 12:52 (eleven months ago) link

In other words, it's the most popular option pic.twitter.com/e7DnElioS7

— P.G. Chodehouse (@mynnoj) May 2, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 13:40 (eleven months ago) link

Hilary Clinton derided it as "Chocolate milk for everybody!" when Bernie Sanders proposed it in the US. It doesn't matter how popular a policy is to these corporate ghouls.

calzino, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 13:48 (eleven months ago) link

Some legitimate concerns are more, er, legitimate than others.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 14:06 (eleven months ago) link

The Labour leader said it was “early days” for the Public Order Act, under which the group was detained for 16 hours before being released and told no charges would be brought. Rather than committing to repeal the legislation, Starmer suggested fresh guidance could make improvements amid concerns it was being used to clamp down on dissent.

“The police have obviously apologised in relation to some of those cases,” he said. “They’re a difficult judgment call, we all understand why action has to be taken in relation to Just Stop Oil and that sort of tactic but on our hand obviously we need to protect legitimate protests, so it’s a judgment call.

“They got some of those judgments wrong, as they have accepted, and I think that’s a learning experience for them, as we go forward we need to ensure there’s perhaps better guidance or something.”

the pinefox, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 18:42 (eleven months ago) link

You could stop Just Stop Oil by stopping new drilling licences, no police state necessary

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 18:49 (eleven months ago) link

“better guidance or something”

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 18:55 (eleven months ago) link

let's not be too rash to judge the embryonic UK fascist police state, it's early days yet says the unscrupulous cunt who also has history of not judging a hate mob, who were burning effigies of GRT children.

calzino, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 18:56 (eleven months ago) link

Well it’s not like they did anything really bad like steal some water

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:00 (eleven months ago) link

“better guidance or something”

― michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

😬😬😬

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:06 (eleven months ago) link

The other sensible labour counter seems to be that actually many of the protesters were arrested under the policing act of last year not the public order act & it’s like no shit you gallus pricks, we want that fascist law repealed too

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:07 (eleven months ago) link

It was a whole thing!!

michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 19:08 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/11/female-labour-mp-accuses-shadow-minister-of-sexual-assault

She is reluctant to make a formal complaint through Labour’s own independent complaints system, although she was encouraged to, as she felt his popularity within the party would not help her case.

This does not sound good in any way.

the pinefox, Friday, 12 May 2023 10:51 (eleven months ago) link

so she's basically saying Labour's independent complaints system tends to ignore serious complaints made against MP's if they are high profile front benchers, colour me surprised.

calzino, Friday, 12 May 2023 11:03 (eleven months ago) link

For gods' sake please don't vote for this cunt

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-real-conservatives-keir-starmer-protect-way-life-2337576

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 May 2023 05:57 (eleven months ago) link

I always thought the only reason he didn't join the Conservative Party was a sense of embarrassment about his stupid Labour history geek name. But at least now he explains why he didn't need to do it.

calzino, Saturday, 13 May 2023 06:26 (eleven months ago) link

>>> insisting his party’s transformation will be like “Clause IV on steroids” – a reference to Sir Tony’s decision to abandon the goal of common ownership of industry – with a focus on putting communities “in charge of their own destiny” and a reformed state.

Sir Keir will offer a personal view of his own patriotism, based on understanding the “true worth of service, respect and stability” and criticise those who harbour “patronising contempt for those who fly our flag”. <<<

the pinefox, Saturday, 13 May 2023 08:00 (eleven months ago) link

Would anyone actually say "I'm going to do [X] - on steroids!" ?

Only KS.

the pinefox, Saturday, 13 May 2023 08:01 (eleven months ago) link

"I'm going to do the Olympic 100 metres final on steroids."

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 May 2023 08:18 (eleven months ago) link

:D

the pinefox, Saturday, 13 May 2023 08:32 (eleven months ago) link

"on steroids" in this case really means all the most negative and reactionary aspects of New Labour but this time not propping up poverty wages with tax credits and fully committed to the austerity consensus, so not dissimilar to the May govt. Which Tory govts of the last decade are the *real* conservatives is a more of a pertinent question for the DM and Con Home, it shouldn't be a pitch made a year before a GE by the leader of a supposed party of Labour. Grim times for democracy.

calzino, Saturday, 13 May 2023 08:48 (eleven months ago) link

He’s like Theresa May on Imodium

michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:01 (eleven months ago) link

lol, Theresa May - without the charisma

calzino, Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:04 (eleven months ago) link

I saw a Kieth supporter responding to Tory twitter taunts about the sexual assault by one of the shadow cabinet and lack of action taken thereof, and they responded with "but what about the rapist in the Tory party, eh?"

calzino, Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:12 (eleven months ago) link

He's a cunt like (most of) the rest of his party

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:21 (eleven months ago) link

xp i saw that too calz. tell me you don't care about sexual violence without telling me etc

contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 May 2023 09:59 (eleven months ago) link

lol, nice juxtaposition there

calzino, Friday, 26 May 2023 15:20 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

It was great to catch up with my friend @CondoleezzaRice to discuss China, Ukraine and the Global South at this moment of huge geopolitical change. pic.twitter.com/Nl5Qd4hhTP

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) September 7, 2023

the pinefox, Friday, 8 September 2023 14:12 (seven months ago) link

it's a club and we're not in it

School of RAAC (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 September 2023 14:13 (seven months ago) link


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