Terrorism in 'Murica (aka The Homeland)

I just read about the Newark evac!!!!! FUCKING A, there are not the words to say what that must have been like. It makes my experience on Dec 21 look tame and I thought people were going to riot then.

thanks for the article link, cr?m. i don't know for certain that she died in that bombing, but the lack of info being released and the timing suggests that it's probably the case. she wasn't a soldier, i know that much. her recent facebook updates are tough to read.

yeah laurel what was really strange was how calm everybody was about it. what really sucked was that when it happened and we got hoarded out, i was about twenty mins from my flight taking off!

i've been in lots of travel chaos situations but this one was just something else, on top of which i was suffering from some sort of stomach virus which was great.

i think seeing the little kid poo himself, and then hold it in his hand was as close as i got to just walking the fuck out of there.

Bloody hell, that evac must've been horrible. What strikes me in the (thankfully rare) occasions where I've experienced some delay or whatever at airports is that they have a lot of procedures they can go through but none of them ever involve an effective way of communicating to the public what they should be doing.

tbf ive had similar experiences at jfk sans terror

Latest foiled terror plot (or "plot")

Oregon terror averted

These cases make me very uncomfortable. These guys seem like serious wannabes with no means or contact with larger organizations. They are set-up. Maybe it's best to be rid of wannabes before they find a way to be the real thing (or just get a gun and go on a shooting spree), but this pre-emptive law-enforcement approach freaks me out.

Further reference:

Pre-emptive approach controversial

Washpost headline:

FBI foils its own elaborate bomb plot in Oregon

hmm

A bomb left along the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade was a sophisticated explosive that had a remote detonator and the ability to cause many casualties, an official familiar with the case said Wednesday.

The bomb, which was defused without incident on Monday, was the most potentially destructive he had ever seen, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to release information about the investigation.

yeah this is fucked. can't wait to see where it goes.

Greenwald on the mammoth boondoggle of "homeland security" projects:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/29/terrorism/index.html

"The number of people worldwide who are killed by Muslim-type terrorists, Al Qaeda wannabes, is maybe a few hundred outside of war zones. It's basically the same number of people who die drowning in the bathtub each year," said John Mueller, an Ohio State University professor who has written extensively about the balance between threat and expenditures in fighting terrorism.

Last year, McClatchy characterized this threat in similar terms: "undoubtedly more American citizens died overseas from traffic accidents or intestinal illnesses than from terrorism." The March, 2011, Harper's Index expressed the point this way: "Number of American civilians who died worldwide in terrorist attacks last year: 8 -- Minimum number who died after being struck by lightning: 29." That's the threat in the name of which a vast domestic Security State is constructed, wars and other attacks are and continue to be launched, and trillions of dollars are transferred to the private security and defense contracting industry at exactly the time that Americans -- even as they face massive wealth inequality -- are told that they must sacrifice basic economic security because of budgetary constraints.

silver had a similar thing on the statistical likelihood of dying in a plane that's been the target of a terrorist attack

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/odds-of-airborne-terror.html

A bomb left along the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade was a sophisticated explosive that had a remote detonator and the ability to cause many casualties, an official familiar with the case said Wednesday.

The bomb, which was defused without incident on Monday, was the most potentially destructive he had ever seen, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to release information about the investigation.

Safe to say 99% of Americans have forgotten or never knew that this ever happened?

So are we gonna talk about this Chelsea bombing or what

Yeah I kept looking for an active thread. I'm willing to admit I'm a bit freaked out. I walk down that block every work day.

Glad you are ok

I suspect its more domestic terrorism/lone looney.

Trump will probably tweet that it's ISIS in a few minutes

It's hard to countenance this occurring on the same day as the charity marathon pipe bombing in NJ and there being no connection. But I guess it's possible.

In general the notion of 'bomb in Chelsea' makes one start imagining motives but then the specific locations of the bombs just seem pretty empty of significance. IDGI.

idiot israels on fb all "why are americans so slow to admit the truth" like i understand that in yr country you generally only have one source of terrorism but god bless the US we have so many sources of potential bomb making that we really cannot just jump to one conclusion immediately w/out evidence. it could be right-wing extremists. it could be left-wing extremists. it could be lone nuts. we have a long history of all kinds of groups trying to blow ppl up.

Cant remember the last time left wing extremists bombed anything in the US tbh

But yes i agree w yr overall pt

3 acts of terror, broadly speaking, in one day :/

St. Cloud MN stabber seems to be in the same bucket as Orlando dude ie disorganized sort of Islamist terror

Sort-of-islamist should have hyphenated for clarity

Yeah, thank god it's not worse than it might have been. But we're not in a stage where stuff is ordered from on high, this may have had a certain motive, but how do we react to this dispersed, autonomous ideology?

http://gizmodo.com/explosion-reported-in-manhattan-cause-unknown-1786763151

I don't react. I keep moving, quickly.

So they said definitely intentional, second unexploded bomb similar design to Boston marathon bomb (design can be found on internet), checking for links to NJ race pipe bomb but so far no link to (international) Islamic terror.

It's remarkable that no one died, it was a really powerful bomb. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/19/nyregion/new-york-explosion-chelsea.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Luke McConnell, who was visiting from Colorado, was headed toward a restaurant on West 27th Street when the blast occurred.

“I felt it, like a concussive wave, heading towards me. Then there was a cloud of white smoke that came from the left side of 23rd Street near Sixth,” Mr. McConnell said. “There was no fire, just smoke.”

Witnesses said they could feel the explosion from several blocks away. Daniel Yount, 34, said he was standing on the roof of a building at 25th Street and Avenue of the Americas with friends.

“We felt the shock waves go through our bodies,” Mr. Yount said.

Seems like ISIS loners. They really underperformed this time, thank god. nypost fwiw: http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/there-will-be-more-chilling-911-call-after-the-chelsea-explosion/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunch_of_Guys

lol come on

5 people taken into custody

http://abc7ny.com/news/multiple-people-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-explosion/1517053/

another explosion in NJ: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nyc-explosion-fbi-cops-investigate-vehicle-interest-n-y-new-n650306?cid=sm_tw

Shit.

Suspect named for the Chelsea bomb, 28 yo Afghanistan born naturalized us citizen of NJ.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/sep/19/us-authorities-investigating-new-jersey-explosive-devices-live-updates

home raided

iPhone extreme alert during Monday morning commute is one way to change the dialectic

I know this is 'letting the terrorists win' but I am strongly tempted to call out today

The NJ stuff is happening about 10 minutes' walk from my apartment.

Hell, if them winning is you taking a personal day then fine, let them have this one.

Personally, I feel like the 'letting them win' thing is more applicable if bombs go off in NY and NJ and you decide to stay home with the curtains drawn even though you live in Wichita. But if there's danger of subsequent events in a place where shit has already gone down, it's only natural to be cautious.

Did it just now. My boss was cool about it.

Sounds like NY and NJ are handling this very professionally and thoroughly, but then, I don't have TV. Maybe TV is hysterical. Probably so.

When is TV not hysterical.

Big Bang Theory?

I don't have tv either. I think they'll handle this well but I'ma give them a day to find the rest of the cached fucking bombs.

Xpost Oh shit, multiple meanings not intentional.

XD

Fp'd for microaggression

Now you're definitely letting the terrorists win.