when did body hair begin in art?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
dr vick just txted me this question from the tate britain gothickal show

i. is true that no one did fuzzy armpits before photography?
ii. is this just a western mis-perception arisin from the conventions of classical greek sculpture and its centuries of aftermath
iii. i bet jesus has armpit hair sometimes but when?
iv. who knows enuff abt art to solve this conundrum? (likely ans=anthony easton!)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Your search - "a history of pubic hair in art" - did not match any documents.

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You sure armpit hair isn't a brand-spanking-new genetic mutation in humans, Mark?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"We must breed humans to be less like ourselves"
http://nawtythings.com/halloween/alien/a3.jpg

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Caravaggio's David with what looks like a teeny tiny bit of well-sculpted hair, maybe.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Michelangelo's David has nice curlicued pubes.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know there are pubes now and then but armpit hair? Damned if I can find much of anything outside a few faint dark patches.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

so were those breakthrough stylings?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yes the txt said body hair not pubic hair, that wz just my google-gag: i am tempted to call vick and ask her LOUD SEARCHING QUESTIONS on her mobile in the tate except i am supposed to be doin homework for a job interview

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Hair there and everywhere" by Barbara A. Melville.

"Years ago she noticed that 'in Italian Renaissance art, females were presented with no body hair at all but males were shown with pubic hair.' In Northern Renaissance art, however, artists painted pubic hair on females and underarm hair on men."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Umm...hmmm...corrected link here.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's those skidmore college people again! martin s to thread! (and school us on the japanese take here plz)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok vick has finetuned her question to sidestep the "great gay exceptions" and basically wants to focus on the topic of women's armpit-hair art in history

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

My college is of help again, hurrah!

Damn, I thought I had a book on the crucifixion in art, but if I have I can't find it now. That would be good for holy armpit hair action.

Japan: apart from the more explicit end of the shunga (erotic) print market in the 18th and 19th C, the nude wasn't a subject at all in Japanese art. You might get zen monks in few enough clothes that you could in theory see the armpit hair, especially if we're talking about Hotei (http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/zen_hotei.htm) say, who spent much of his time pointing at the Moon (presumably only at night), but since the style is not at all naturalistic, and they were interesting in a few calligraphic brushstrokes rather than lots of fiddly detail, I don't actually recall seeing body hair. Also the Japanese are not a terribly hairy people, mostly.

Erotic comic books (a large market sector) often don't show pubic hair either (or genitals) - they leave spaces or put something else there to symbolise the genitals. Because the acceptability criteria are so different in the West, when work is to be translated, the original artist - or someone else if they are unavailable - is often contracted to replace the swords and aubergines and so on with actual genitals and pubic hair. It's that 'if the original artist is unavailable' bit that strikes my fancy. I am hoping that with the manga boom there are now people who do this full time, and I like to imagine how they describe their branch of the arts.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was thinking if there's anybody in Japanese with underarm hair, it'd be Hotei, but I've come up empty in my searches...though there is this Kimono image with a tuft of chest hair.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hotei goes disco

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I read somewhere that in Victorian times axillary hair was just TOO SEXXXXXY so it had to be kept from view.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I suppose someone should make a reference to John Ruskin, although that story might not be really true.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Modligliani had a bunch of nudes with underarm hair.

http://www.taschen.com/media/images/original/ka_modigliani.jpg

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha xpost that's immediately what i thought of when i saw this thread & i can't believe nobody has mentioned it until now! (re: john ruskin)

killy (baby lenin pin), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

invention of photography: 1826
ruskin marries effie gray: 1848

unspoken theory here: turner's entire pictography is a study of female body hair

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if only john ruskin had been around in the era of the brazilian and the hollywood

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 6 March 2006 02:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

some paintings of john the baptiser had hair on chest and armpits, i think (15th/16th)

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 6 March 2006 07:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i have nothing to add besides john ruskin. and i have been beaten to the punch.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 6 March 2006 09:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hotei goes disco
I describe that image as 'Saturday Night Fever Hotei' on the page I linked to!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 6 March 2006 10:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.