Transport in London is shit

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...or so I've been told (and experienced from time to time) my whole puff. But it's come to my attention (during a phone conversation with my mum in which it was revealed that my sister and my future brother-in-law is, are getting married), that I haven't heard a single anti-tube rant so far this month, and that luego it must be de facto better than it used to be.

Discuss.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

what about public transport in the suburbs?! FUCKING WAGN!

Vintage Latin (dog latin), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

anyone who thinks should be bussed (specifically bussed) to A N Other city in th UK stat

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

transport in london is great*

*maybe not if you use the northern line

terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Not to simply express the sentiments already aired, but I was thinking about this only yesterday, and I agree that anyone who thinks London's transport system is bad has obviously never witnessed the sheer horror of transport outside of the M25.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

*maybe not if you use the northern line

And the Hammersmith&Shittyline.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

It's shit - if you consider that it's a 'world city' in the 21st Century.

It's surely more balanced to compare London with Tokyo, New York, Paris etc rather than Basildon, Letchworth, and Chorlton-cum-Hardy.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Transport in London is LOTS better than transport in any other part of Britain I've ever lived in or stayed in for more than a couple of days.

Transport in London is LOTS better than transport in New York.

Basically, transport in London is far from shit.

*maybe not if you use the northern line

That's been my primary line for about 4 years now and I'm not complaining, it's fine.

JimD (JimD), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Swap you for trying to get out of central Glasgow after 11.30pm any night of the week...

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

It's people not complaining, and not comparing it to more modern transport systems, that's partly responsible for London's transport remaining shit.

International competitiveness studies highlight the expense of transport, crumbling infrastructure, and historic lack of investment as a negative factor in London's economic position.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Call it selfish, but I would rather someone unfuck the rest of the country before London gets improved any further.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

No, I think that's sensible - at least sorting out the ridiculous cost of travelleling by rail across the UK.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM. For all the posturing of the government regarding public transport, the sad truth is that I still drive everywhere because public transport is such a shambles—from the local buses that can't turn up for hours in a morning to the national rail network that costs £50 to go somewhere that £20 of diesel in a car can get me.

Not, of course, that it's the government's responsibility nowadays.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Btw I wasn't talking about the price. Although the Oyster fares are obviously much fairer, I have got a sneaking suspicion that they're gonna wait 'til we've all got one and then jack up all the prices like mad and KILL US ALL.

That said, anyone who lives in London who DOESN'T buy a monthly travel card is either an asylum seeker or mad.

Public public public money money money is what is needs.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I know the Evening Standard is almost universally hated here, but one of its good points is the current campaign to name and shame unmanned rail and tube stations, and to push for improved passenger safety.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't buy a monthly travel card!

but i only really use buses and not even daily -- i reckon so far i am up on the deal by some way though given the fierceness w.which they are policin the bendies now this will probbly have to change :(

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it not, possibly, slightly contradictory to demand more people manning tube/rail stations and to complain about fares being too expensive?

theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

No, I think that's sensible - at least sorting out the ridiculous cost of travelleling by rail across the UK.

I still have trouble understanding why/how Virgin charge £75 return to Manchester (with other return options reaching over £400) when you can fly several times the distance for half the price. And why does it take twice as long coming back? Can trains not tilt southbound?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't buy a monthly travel card!

we all know you arrived here just a few days ago from Kabul. the game's up, sonny chief.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I've not had any bad experiences travelling through and around London for a while now. I don't use the trains much but when I do they look and feel new, clean and seem to run fine. I am even cool with the Bendies, but only when they're quiet and you can get one of those big comfy seats (must face forward though).

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:07 (fourteen years ago) link

The trains are really good, the tube is depressing.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it not, possibly, slightly contradictory to demand more people manning tube/rail stations and to complain about fares being too expensive?

I don't know about the tube, but the rail companies apparently make over £100m profit a year in London, and the cost for providing staff is estimated to be between £2m to £4m a year.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

T/S: Nationalisation vs. Privatisation

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, we must have done that thread already...

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link

those big comfy seats

I don't find them comfortable in the slightest. They seem much harder than the seats on most other buses * and, into the bargain, the poor suspension on those vehicles gives a very bumpy ride in my experience.

* the notable exceptions to this that I've found are a few of the buses used on the 341 route which have purple seats with ridiculously thin upholstery; but these are not to be confused with some others on the same route which also have purple seats but which are wonderfully comfortable.

Oak (small items), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link

the tube is depressing

Very true. Resolving as I did about 4 years ago not to travel on it any more was one of the best decisions I have ever made, in a number of ways.

Oak (small items), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Flights, to anywhere in europe should never be CHEAPER than a rail ticket, advance or not.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.monorails.org/webpix%202/Puppy07.jpg

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link

No, pet. Transport in Los Angeles is shit. There is none to speak of. Come try it and see if you don't agree. If you don't have a car you're sk-rewed. If you DO have a car you're sk-rewed too since there are too many cars and not enough roads and freeways to move millions of cars holding ONE person per car. London transport rocks, comparitively. Off your thread topic, but lending my own obnoxious perspective - welcome or not.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Transport in London is LOTS better than transport in New York.

Is this actually true? I'd always thought received wisdom said the exact opposite.

Public transport in London is good, but wasn't really designed to serve a city that's growing this fast - seems to be where all the problems stem from.

Oak - are you the person I think you are? Something rings familiar here.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link

transport in london (on the tube) is expensive.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:18 (fourteen years ago) link

My personal experiences weigh towards London being a little better than NYC.. on the other hand, I didn't need to get from one neighborhood to another after midnight in London... The "after midnight" factor makes the difference here, I think.

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

transport in london is great*

*maybe not if you use the northern line

kings cross - south wimbledon, last thursday, circa midnight = 100 minutes

but yeah, mostly its good. 24 hour tubes would be nice.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:24 (fourteen years ago) link

anyone who thinks London's transport system is bad has obviously never witnessed the sheer horror of transport outside of the M25.

outside london you can, you know, walk or cycle places.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link

how much is a monthly travelcard anyway?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:44 (fourteen years ago) link

outside london you can, you know, walk or cycle places.

you can do those things inside london too, you know.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

death wish

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 09:50 (fourteen years ago) link

the cost for providing staff is estimated to be between £2m to £4m a year

Eh? How many people do you reckon they employ?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

trains between countries in europe are always more expensive than flying! eg london > barcelona - train - 180 euros, plane 110 euros.

i cant see train travel getting much cheaper as a result of competition from air travel. maybe we should read my friends dissertation about rail/air competition for business travel between leeds and london. isnt the problem partly that franchising to an extent creates kinda flabby uncompetitive practice, where profits can be made in relative safety from predatory activity, if there isnt strong enough contractual arrnagements or tight enough regulation on the performance of the franchisee?

eg "we award you this contract but will continue to allow you to increase fares/reduce penalties for poor performance, and you can do this for the next 10 years" as opposed to "you have a guaranteed revenue stream for the next 10 years but oyu must ensure to do X Y Z and not do P Q and S"?

i dont really know anything about this anyways.

i guess in a sense i dont really compare london to other cities in europe so that gives me a warped sense of how good transport is in comparison to other UK CITIES (dear sirz, outside of london there are population sizes larger than Basildon, Letchworth, and Chorlton-cum-Hardy). but then again what other european cities are comparable? how does paris do? it might be hyperbole but what euro cities are comparable in terms of geograpohic spread, density of developemnt, population etc etc?

moscow was pretty awesome but they run everything on vodka there, or something. actually it was sort of shit outside the metro, but it depends what your criteria for "good public transport" are

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link

paris is a lot smaller than london, it's true. for me it's all about money. £2.50 for a tube journey is fucked.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

The prices are ridiculous, thanks a lot Ken Fucking Livingstone

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought the subway in New York was more confusing (all that fast train / slow train business, and the lines don't have nice names like Victoria and Piccadilly) but much, much cheaper - about a third of the cost.

When it comes to the 'after midnight' bit, in London that usually means walking through the rain then freezing at a bus stop for half an hour then sitting on a very slow nightbus full of nutters, or paying twenty-five quid to a random ex-convict with a 'taxi' who'll drive you home (eventually, after getting lost) while spouting reactionary nonsense at you the whole way. In New York there seem to be five yellow taxis waiting for you immediately at any time, they don't cost much, and with the grid system they don't get lost.

Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link

The bus service is great, but they're (now) far too expensive too

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:18 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not perfect, but Wiggy is right, compared to LA it's the best transport system ever. I thought it was about the same as NYC although it is more expensive. The buses have got a lot better in recent years, and I think CCTV has made night buses a bit safer, at least I never see any trouble on them these days.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:26 (fourteen years ago) link

lol lol lol!!!!!

again, its hard not to laugh when you are subject to the whims of a properly deregulated market outside of london. First Groups bus fares went up 4 times in a year in s yorks, now its 1.50 a single on first buses. still 1.20/30 in london?

as for tube fares, what is expensive about a 2.50 tube fare? in comparison to previous prices? or are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link

as for tube fares, what is expensive about a 2.50 tube fare? in comparison to previous prices? or are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

-- ambrose (ambrosewhit...), February 14th, 2006.

what's expensive is, it's expensive! let someone else do the math. but yes 'distance travelled' being about 2-3 miles, it does seem out of proportion.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I've never seen any trouble on a bus in London ever. If you think night buses in London are dodgy, you should have tried spending most of your adolescent Friday and Saturday nights getting the night bus from Glasgow to Paisley at George Square.

still 1.20/30 in london?

It's now £1.50. Considering that, what 4 years ago(?), local journeys were 70p, I'd say that is somewhat above the rate of inflation.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link

are you assessing the cost of labour, infrastructure, distance travelled etc etc and concluding that it is overpriced?

another factor to consider might be the *vast fucking profits* made by the operator too?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link

But Londoners moaning about having the best transport system in Britain is a bit boring, I agree

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

but maybe justified on a thread of this name?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 10:36 (fourteen years ago) link

i have also been actually literally knocked down by a child on a bike (for the crime of not having 360° vision while standing at a bus stop) (= on the pavement bcz that's where many bus stops are)

when i suggested (perhaps a little urgently) that she be more careful in future, i was denounced as a paedo, so everyone's a winner

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2019 12:17 (one year ago) link

jeez, i thought i had it bad getting ironically denounced as a "gangster" on the other side of the scooter/pedestrian divide!

calzino, Monday, 8 July 2019 12:28 (one year ago) link

Trying to walk a very wobbly Kenny one day in N16, I got belled by some tween Jolyon riding on the pavement and almost did a child abuse.

suzy, Monday, 8 July 2019 12:29 (one year ago) link

there's definitely an age-related curve to my appreciation of adult foot-scooter-users

18-20: earnest young hipsters, annoying if they are too oblivious (and they often are quite oblivious) but they add a little colour and optimism to the place

the 30-something electric scooter rider in a suit who's come rather close a few times to mowing me down on my walk to work: dud, should be old enough to know better!*

the 70+ scooterer who looks rather like Doc from BTTF and pelts down the main road into town: classic, hurrah for the eccentrics, etc

* admittedly this opinion may be based as much on the suit as the wearer's age

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 8 July 2019 12:44 (one year ago) link

they add a little colour and optimism to the place when they get too close to my house and trigger the landmines.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 July 2019 13:14 (one year ago) link

the pro-pedestrian landmines he hurriedly added

mark s, Monday, 8 July 2019 13:18 (one year ago) link

But if they offer an innovative and eco-friendly transport solution, you may want to change the legislative/regulatory framework to accommodate or even encourage them.

How is one person delaying a hybrid bus of 100+ people something to be encouraged here?

gyac, Monday, 8 July 2019 13:23 (one year ago) link

The precise details are left as an exercise for the reader!

https://www2.deloitte.com/insights/us/en/focus/future-of-mobility/micro-mobility-is-the-future-of-urban-transportation.html

Luna Schlosser, Monday, 8 July 2019 13:32 (one year ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/13/tv-presenter-emily-hartridge-dies-in-scooter-crash

"Tributes have poured in for a TV presenter and YouTube star after she died in an electric scooter crash – the first fatal collision involving an e-scooter in Britain."

koogs, Monday, 15 July 2019 11:31 (one year ago) link

Yes, I noticed that news at the weekend. Grim stuff.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 15 July 2019 11:33 (one year ago) link

That sounds like a “lorry crash” not an “electric scooter crash”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 July 2019 23:00 (one year ago) link

quite.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

That's bad but not as bad as the url led me to expect, at least

kinder, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:32 (eleven months ago) link

yeah seriously, thank god it's *only* institutional racism :(

imago, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 22:45 (eleven months ago) link

Public transport in London is the most expensive in the world. @StatistaCharts via @SoberLook pic.twitter.com/yyvcokrQ6d

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) October 31, 2019

calzino, Thursday, 31 October 2019 11:02 (ten months ago) link

Nonetheless I'm guessing it's still cheaper than other cities in the UK.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 October 2019 11:09 (ten months ago) link

lol, yes. £1.50 to go from one side of London to the other is cheaper than my five minute journey back from the shops.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 31 October 2019 11:40 (ten months ago) link

I'm a scum-sucking parasite who can travel for free on the buses if I'm with my kid on his disabled +c pass and reduced prices on the trains, so when ppl moan about the prices I uncomfortably nod my head in fake solidarity!

calzino, Thursday, 31 October 2019 11:47 (ten months ago) link

comprehensive review of how london’s ultra low emission zone (ULEZ) has performed.

Better than expected is the short answer. And apparently causing a small reverse of the trend of falling passenger numbers (but to put it in context the increase here is estimated at £7 million net and the shortfall projected in 2018 was £240 million. < this article mentions “flexible working practises being part of the problem and maybe that’s true but afaict people don’t really know why numbers are falling - other possible factors are uber, changing demographics and population of london itself)

Instead of the originally forecast £77m of revenue from ULEZ, TfL’s budget for the 2019/20 financial year is now expecting to take in only £55m. This is largely the direct result of a third fewer non-compliant vehicles entering London’s ULEZ. By comparison, net income from London’s congestion charge was £147m in the 2018/19 financial – £230m income minus £83m in tolling, enforcement and administrative costs.

Passenger income is up, however, particularly on the London Underground and on London’s busses. Transport for London has revised its passenger income budget up £29m for 2019/20. This more than makes up for the £22m of lost revenue on ULEZ. Higher ticket sales alongside ULEZ successfully deterring driving into central London suggests that ULEZ might be encouraging Londoners and visitors to opt for public transport over their car.

Fizzles, Friday, 1 November 2019 09:02 (ten months ago) link

City worker 'flew into rage' at commuter over boiled eggs breakfast https://t.co/ivqZ3UfCaP

— Evening Standard (@standardnews) November 12, 2019

Ms Stoter told a jury at Blackfriars crown court that Mead became agitated and put on a “bad face” when she started eating the eggs, which she admitted gave off a strong smell.

The victim told the court she felt “intimidated and vulnerable” during the incident, which took place shortly after the train stopped at Stratford on September 6, 2018. She told the jury Mead gave her “bad” looks when she started eating the eggs and moved towards the door, apparently to escape the smell. Ms Stoter said she gestured with a shrug of her shoulders to Mead that she was sorry, but the defendant “quickly and aggressively” moved towards her and leaned into her face.

gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 19:08 (ten months ago) link

not defending the defendant but i literally can't think of a smell more boaksome to me than boiled eggs

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 20:10 (ten months ago) link

that account is extremely Real England

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:45 (ten months ago) link

Yeah I was torn which thread to put it in but City commuter rage is real

gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:50 (ten months ago) link

i am always very furtive when eating disgusting foods (usually seafood sticks or a whole salami where i have to peel the casing by hand) on public transport

imago, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:52 (ten months ago) link

Eating anything on public transport is disgusting savagery.

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:55 (ten months ago) link

I... don't even know how the smell of boiled eggs can be disgusting, let alone be present to someone sitting three feet away?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:58 (ten months ago) link

Amazing synergy between this thread and the ongoing US police brutality and corruption thread rn

That said I’m with Tom on this one

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:58 (ten months ago) link

Eating hard boiled eggs in an enclosed area is really inconsiderate of those around you but I wouldn’t let it ruin my week, I prefer to stand in quiet judgement

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:01 (ten months ago) link

I... don't even know how the smell of boiled eggs can be disgusting, let alone be present to someone sitting three feet away?

Disagree wholly with threatening anyone but absolutely hate the smell of eggs in enclosed spaces & would have got up and moved tbh

Eating anything on public transport is disgusting savagery.


Most otm post ever

gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:02 (ten months ago) link

Amazing synergy between this thread and the ongoing US police brutality and corruption thread rn

Throw the Don Cherry thread (about poppies) into the mix, along with my small recount on the snooker thread, and the whole universe is Real England basically.

I don't really mind people eating stuff on public transport, as long as it's food tbf.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:05 (ten months ago) link


Disagree wholly with threatening anyone but absolutely hate the smell of eggs in enclosed spaces & would have got up and moved tbh

I've developed a terrific sense of smell if I may say so myself, but never got a bad scents of boiled eggs. And I do eat them frequently! (not on the tube) I realize this must be a flaw on my behalf.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:07 (ten months ago) link

wasp bodies in a fig good, hard boiled wasp eggs on a caterpillar bad

mark s, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:10 (ten months ago) link

otm

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:14 (ten months ago) link

Amazing synergy between this thread and the ongoing US police brutality and corruption thread rn

Throw the Don Cherry thread (about poppies) into the mix, along with my small recount on the snooker thread, and the whole universe is Real England basically.

Very much this.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:22 (ten months ago) link

I'm assuming the eggs were hard-boiled because of the smell but I strongly feel the Standard should specify that because to me "boiled eggs" means soft-boiled.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 23:11 (ten months ago) link

sliced or cut open boiled eggs can smell bad if not eaten straight away or immediately incorporated with another acidic condiment such as mayonnaise.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 23:20 (ten months ago) link

don’t eat on public transport.

Fizzles, Thursday, 14 November 2019 21:59 (ten months ago) link

sweets is ok tho

mark s, Thursday, 14 November 2019 22:04 (ten months ago) link

yes. i think i sent that while sitting on a train and a person with a macdonalds came and sat next to me.

(i don’t mind macdonalds particularly but do on trains)

Fizzles, Friday, 15 November 2019 17:37 (ten months ago) link

last time i flew back from london this fella humphed onto the plane last, and dropped like a sweaty shit in on top of me carrying a fuckin burger king meal

one of the rare occasions when my ilx lowercaps mean persona exhibited irl, it got handed over for disposal immediately

deems of internment (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 November 2019 01:07 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

i’m using the new Citymapper Pass and I love it. best thing easily is that i don’t have to use touchID at the barriers. just touch my phone to the reader, beep, through. just as fast as a card.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 January 2020 18:09 (eight months ago) link

that's now the case with just using contactless Apple Pay, too - and I agree, it's great that it's as fast as a card now.

toby, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:15 (eight months ago) link

BAH my great advantage, gazumped!!

Apple Pay is pay-as-you-go only though, right? I can't tell you the number of times I've tried to work out whether paygo or unlimited zones 1-3 works out better for me. With paygo I always have the suspicion I'm somehow being screwed. But I start looking at my the sporadic payments to TFL on my bank statement and just end up dying of ennui.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:58 (eight months ago) link

I think it's still slightly cheaper to get a monthly travelcard if you travel every weekdays, but otherwise it's a wash thanks to the capping

stet, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 08:48 (eight months ago) link

I think it's still slightly cheaper to get a monthly travelcard if you travel every weekdays, but otherwise it's a wash thanks to the capping


yeah was going to ask this. since they’ve introduced weekly capping i haven’t bothered worrying about it.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 18:48 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

could be worse

How big is the 90 minute public transit commuter zone for London vs San Francisco? This is my attempt to answer the question. Arrival point is central London or downtown SF. So, light areas = you ought to be able to reach central London/downtown SF within 90 minutes. pic.twitter.com/ZSftRqN1bL

— Alasdair Rae (@undertheraedar) February 6, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 6 February 2020 20:22 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Bit quiet out today

stet, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:23 (six months ago) link

Commuters into London, don't forget that you can cancel your annual season ticket if it doesn't look like you're going to be using it for a while.

I guess the same is true of TFL?

ShariVari, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:27 (six months ago) link

I'm going to walk to and from work - as long as work stays open, which might not be long - so at least I'll be fit when I get the virus

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:28 (six months ago) link


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