I didn't think "don't paint yr public-servant boss like a messianic prophet" would be a controversial principle but here we are
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
I think AOC has potential to be a pretty significant force in the democratic party, but getting peoples' hopes up about her actually achieving anything in the near future is only gonna disillusion them. unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter, in that case, anything is possible.
― iatee, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
i do think the goosing her spotlight has given the green new deal is both uniquely possible because of who she is and has already irrevocably changed american climate politics
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
she's arguably done more for climate issues than any other Dem pol in the last 30 years and she's not even seated yet
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
that is a demonstrable falsheood
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
falsehood
Pelosi passed bills and Obama issued significant rules and treaty commitments
so far her accomplishments are zero, let's be real. she's hitting the ground running and that's great but come on.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
"messianic prophet" ? she makes him believe a better world is achievable. isn't that a basic assumption of anybody advancing a progressive agenda? "progress" and all?and it's not like he said "AOC makes me believe only she can bring a better world." i know we're all cynics here but imo "this politician inspires me" is not in and of itself a dangerous or doomed-to-fail notion.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
― frogbs, Thursday, December 6, 2018 1
oh come now
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
the only people who care about sub coldplay music paired with an arundhati roy quote are posting in this thread fwiw
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
sorry just trying to make up for my "left wing Tomi Lahren" comment
hope we're even now
(that said I really like the idea of 30-ish congresspeople taking up the issue rather than someone like Pelosi)
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:58 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
her accomplishments aren't heroically epic, being not yet seated, but they're not zero either
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
the way she's denaturalized the politics of how congress pays its staff & interns, the way she's directed her star power to raise the profile of issues & approaches that themselves have been off the table for serious discussion --that's not nothing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
I for one am mainly enjoying these little glimpses into just how insane/inane Washington political orthodoxy is
Right now Freshman members of Congress are at a “Bipartisan” orientation w/ briefings on issues.Invited panelists offer insights to inform new Congressmembers‘ views as they prepare to legislate. # of Corporate CEOs we’ve listened to here: 4# of Labor leaders: 0— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 6, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
yeah I really like that she's lifting the curtain on some of this stuff that people never talk about
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
yup yup
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
agreed, good stuff
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I have no idea whether the Green New Deal will result in a federal climate law two or five or 10 years from now. The proposal clearly has momentum on the left. Since early November, I’ve seen the Green New Deal talked about as a story of Democrats in disarray, or as another example of the party’s turn toward socialism. Both analyses miss the mark. The Green New Deal is one of the most interesting—and strategic—left-wing policy interventions from the Democratic Party in years.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-winning-climate-strategy/576514/?fbclid=IwAR3jKPtZ-aU6c9ZbUWOJ1dH2YfvWiPLNb3zFbV9kZn27Pj3ExZejph9831U
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
AOC in congress is already more than I hoped for and she's not even in congress yet.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
ditto
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
joe manchin, ladies & gents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
reminds me of this classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Green New Deal is a jobs program. Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood. Maybe once we're screaming past 2° C in the 40s we'll get the universal and high carbon price (with mandatory tariffs against noncompliant nations/cheaters) that might actually rein in emissions.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
There isnt even a bill yet, how do u know whats in it
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
On a train to Philly on Monday I sat next to this guy who was talking on the phone about the Green New Deal and that it was "PR, not policy" and that they needed to come up with a sustainable policy that both sides could agree on and that he didn't have Pelosi's ear. I am dying to figure out who he was. I couldn't covertly read his laptop. All I know is that he has a daughter named Lily who was in trouble with her school for giving an exam or answers to another student (I also heard this conversation).
― Yerac, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
how do u know whats in it
Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter,
Tbf, that's the only thing Trump is good at, and he's nominally president.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
when was the last time he convincingly owned anyone on twitter?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Well, I'm not convinced! But given we all hate him but still know all his catchphrases, nicknames, insults and putdowns - probably dozens at this point - he must be doing something right, even if we don't like it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
i don't remember any of his nicknames beyond "pocahontas"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
they're all interchangeable adjectives
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
that seemed to pour out indiscriminately from his almost entirely liquefied brain
Little Marco was good
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
what about Highly Conflicted Mueller & The Angry Democrats? Lyin' Ted Cruz?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
Low Energy Jeb! Lying Ted! Very Conflicted Mueller! (They can't all be winners.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
how soon we forget the only actually funny Trump nickname
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-replace-jim-mattis-new-nickname-moderate-dog-2018-9
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
Isn't it 10 Angry Democrats or something?
Lil Bob Corker, Adam Schitt.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
I will listen to this later but again, no bill has been introduced (Congress isn't even in session yet) so I am p skeptical of premature obituaries or dismissals. The New Deal wasn't just a single jobs bill and I doubt anything tackling an issue this big will be either.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
Crooked Hillary!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
POLL
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
thanks for reminding me of all these terrible nicknames, except for "lyin' ted," i'll give him that one
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
He tried Crazy Bernie but it didn’t take.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
lol there is an actual wikipedia page that lists all of them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
I miss the days of GWB, Fart Blossom, etc.
― nickn, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Turd Blossom!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:46 (five years ago) link
xpost LOL that list is like the new Garbage Pail Kids America deserves.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
OK but my actual original point was, he stopped being able to make these up a while ago. he is no longer even good for that one thing he was almost never even any good at.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link