Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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It's about time, too.

Michael Daddino, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh *please*, you ask this of me? What episodes *don't* I have on tape?

So gloriously fucking classic it hurts, period, etc. To explain why -- I always loved really bad movies, they're great. Seeing bad movies trashed by people who obviously had brains but weren't afraid of cheap shots either seemed like perfection, and the fact that the perpetrators were seemingly calm Minnesotans who had a clear and total loathing for bullshit of all sorts -- societal, cultural, political, philosophical - - made it all the more fun. Still my favorite ever TV show.

Search -- um, everything. Some episodes you don't need to see as many times, though, and sometimes ones that weren't as great initially become great with time. My Top Ten List At Present:

Manos, The Hands of Fate -- "Honey, I'm scared." "Of WHAT?"

The Starfighters -- "Bob Dornan, wild at heart."

Mitchell -- "She was going to smell like beer sooner or later."

Teenage Strangler -- "I didn't steal no bike neither!"

Overdrawn at the Memory Bank -- "My nuts?"

Red Zone Cuba -- "You and your swank restaurant and your chichi frog's legs!"

Agent From H.A.R.M. -- "There's the windup...and there's the smarm!"

Werewolf -- "C'mon, dead people know what's going to happen next!"

The Starfighters -- "I like coffee."

Pod People -- "Trumpy! You can do MAGIC things!"

Subject to change, but that's a good starter pack right there, along with Eegah!, Jack Frost, Parts: The Clonus Horror, Monster a Go-Go, The Girl in Gold Boots...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and Deathstalker, naturally.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I absolutely adore this show, though I've only been able to see Sci- Fi episodes and only a handful of them at that due to infernal copyright issues (any channel wishing to broadcast it needs rights to both the episode and the film, thus only about 18 eps have been shown in the UK). So my knowledge of MST3K is very limited, but I'll add my vote to Overdrawn At The Memory Bank and Agent From H.A.R.M. - as for episodes to destroy, I haven't seen any eps that are bad but apparently the KTMA ones weren't that good, so destroy them.

Chris Lyons, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

First, the lowdown. Classic? Oh my, yes.

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Favorite Episode Available on Rihno: I Accuse My Parents or Catalina Caper. Favorite Episode Overall: Alien From L.A.. Favorite Short: The Days of Our Years. Favorite Riff Sequences: The Beau Brummels at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go in Village of the Giants and Fat Linda Rondstadt in The Incredible Melting Man. Favorite Riff: The Albert Goldman/Greil Marcus ref in The Pod People and the "...Massapequa, Massapequa Park, Amityville, Copaigue, Lindenhurst and Babylon. Change at Jamaica for..." line in The Beatniks.

Destroy

The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo; the "sandwich" sketch at the end of The Undead; the long string of lesbian jokes in Racket Girls; and, ultimately, the movie, which while v. good, probably should never have been made; and finally, the various asinine copyright issues that pretty much will ensure its limited availability in non-bootleg form to future generations.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo

Herein a mystery -- what is this? Given that they're such gaming addicts I'm not surprised they did it...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I made a boo-boo. It was actually for Playstation Magazine. Riffing was good, as you can imagine, but it was genuinely painful to watch them hawk stuff. Kinda odd that I can't find more info about it.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Any film with Joe Don Baker or John Phillip Law is an absolute classic.

But if I'm being honest, I love nearly every one. The only one I think I would destroy is Hamlet, because the adaptation was so static and dull it was hard to make jokes from.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and Ned should definitely make me some tapes. The ones on sci-fi I see all the time, but I miss the old episodes.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Arrangements can be made. I need to get a second VCR for dubbing purposes first, though...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And yes, I did forget Space Mutiny, didn't I? "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Additional Commentary

I brought the subject up because I think it's high time we discussed it at length. A lot of Americans on ILx are pretty vocal about their MST3K-love, but for obvious reasons, much of the UK posse have never even seen the show. Those who have only know the Sci-Fi era shows (and can't get Rhino tapes, either), so they're only getting part of the fun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Comedy-Central purist at all. The primary reason I got slowly peeved at the AOL NY MST3K contingent was because they were by and large vehemently Anti-Mike, going on and on about how the show was a bunch of boring crap now and how cute and sexy Joel was. I just couldn't see it. Admittedly, though, by the time MST3K left CC, the show's early, woozy charm had long faded away -- but it was replaced by something else that, while slick, was still awfully entertaining. (Charm isn't everything.) At the other end of the history spectrum, the KTMAs aren't bad at all, but all woozy charm and few laffs. Still, that won't matter if you're already a fan.

The worst movie they ever did was, easily, Monster A Go-Go. Scroungily overamped "What'd I Say"-rip at the beginning, but looooong stretches of black & white nothingness punctuated by perhaps the most infuriating cinematic anticlimax ever. Next in line is Manos: The Hands of Fate. It's my impression that MST3K almost single-handedly velcroed this flick onto the Canon of Bad Movies, and that's a good thing, because it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

Favorite Sci-Fi-era Episode: Jack Frost. Indeed, every episode involving a children's movie is sterling.

Best Acting in a MST3K Episode: Beverly Garland reads the riot act to The Celery From Outer Space in It Conquered The World. Bela Lugosi tells a fellow scientist off in Bride of the Monster.

Crow vs. Crow: Trace-Crow is more neurotic, Bill-Crow is more snide, yet once Bill got in the groove, I seriously think they were in equal in goodness.

Joel vs. Mike:

Extraneous thought: if in some alternative universe Catalina Caper was a good, no, GREAT movie, the Avalanches' album would be its soundtrack. Perhaps we could kindly suggest to Tim Burton a remake...

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

I was going to throw in a link to the article with all the info, but dammit, it's expired! Your vision of a new Catalina Caper thrills and disturbs my soul.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Although I should at least throw in a link to the more or less official fan site, the Satellite News.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Manos article is here.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That's one of the reasons I could never get into any of the MST3K fan discussions/forums online, they all seem to suffer from this irrational hatred of Mike. It's so silly and pedantic. What's so wrong with liking Joel and Mike?

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why do you say the movie should not have been made, Mike?

Josh, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

For one, the movie didn't make any money, partly because Gramercy concentrated its promotional efforts on the Pamela Anderson vehicle Barb-Wire, which ended up belly-flopping anyway. Plus, I got this impression from some recent interview with a member of Best Brains (can't remember where I saw this) that they all ended up regretting ever making the thing in the first place. The whole process was too arduous and distracting and they had to deal with all the asshole suits who prided themselves on having a certain level of hepness, yet told BB to take out a joke about Bootsy Collins because they didn't know who was.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The other weird indulgence of the AOL MSTies was the tongue-lashing Sampo, a.k.a. Chris Cornell (the mst3kinfo.com guy, not the Soundgarden guy), recieved on a regular basis. People seemed real irritated at the fact that he assumed the role of King of All MSTies rather quickly, and I attribute that to minor professional jealousy and peevishness over his pro-Mike stance, all caught in a spiral of ever-amplifying regicidal loathing that you often see online. (Sampo's sometime pomposity didn't help either.) Pettiness a go-go.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, fuck all that. after joel left the show totally went to shit. joel really wanted to create a feeling with story /characters and consistancy. mike was just a hired writer. i think i read someone saying in another thread "after a while if felt like the ones running the show just didnt get 'it' "

chaki, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

As so many of us are such pynchon junkies, here's a great mst3k & pynchon link.

i is brit and loving the mst3k. it can grate if you're not in the right mood, but fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. I also liked the film (riffing on This Island Earth -- fave bit is when the alien is explaining about the fate of his planet "a-huh, yeah, yup... got ya... a-huh"

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In point of fact, Mike wasn't merely a "hired writer": as early as the second season, he was the Head Writer. Since MST3K was always a group effort, I think it's difficult to pinpoint one person who was responsible for any particular characteristic of the show. (Two obvious exceptions, of course, are the whole Gizmonics Institute business and the idea for the Invention Exchange.) So he may share some responsibility with Joel H. for creating the rather paternal relationship between Joel R. & the 'bots -- a relationship which, for obvious reasons, would be altered once Mike replaced Joel R. the SOL.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The funniest episode of MST3K I've ever seen is a Gammora movie that we watched on KTMA backstage during a high school show choir competition. I can't remember the name of the movie, but the bad monster was a giant gumball machine and the episode contained one of my favorite riffs ever (7-YEAR-OLD GIRL: I love you, Gamora! CROW: Keep your shirt on, honey.). Most of the others I've seen have come from the Sci-Fi years, but "Manos" is definitely classic. I will also put in a vote for "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank" if only because it's fun to watch Raul Julia in something embarrassing, plus "Squirm" and "The Final Sacrifice".

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I loved Overdrawn At The Memory Bank as a child. I believe I still have a video on it somewhere doubling up with Max Headroom.

Pete, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were torgotback@aol.com, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

http://www.mst3kinfo.com/satnews/catalog/Basement.htm
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/daddyo/images/mrb5.JPG

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

You could kinda tell this was the case. From Joel's latest mailout to the original Kickstarter backers:

As some of you might have guessed, we won't be making new seasons of the show for Netflix. However, I want you to know that we've had a wonderful time working with the Netflix team, and will always be grateful to them. After all, they gave us the opportunity to spend the past few years aboard the Satellite of Love, and made it possible for new generations to discover the joys of riffing cheesy movies with your friends.

I couldn't be more grateful or proud to our incredible cast and our wonderful crew for bringing this incarnation of the show to life, and hope that we'll get the chance to continue collaborating on MST3K as we enter our next chapter.

And, I'm pleased to confirm that The Return and The Gauntlet – along with a healthy selection of classic episodes – will continue to stream on Netflix, bringing some of the show's best episodes to cheesy movie lovers around the world.

Now, I know you might have questions about the future of Mystery Science Theater, but as you've seen over the last four years, we are just as dedicated to keeping MST3K alive as ever. And I want to remind you that there are still lots of options for us to explore in the years to come. This isn’t our first rodeo! So, while this might be the end of the first chapter of bringing back MST3K, don't worry: it's not the last chapter.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:19 (eight months ago) link

I'm sad that there will be less of it in the near future, and happy that they'll have time to reconsider some aspects.

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 00:57 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

So I saw the touring production with Joel the other night -- nights, really, both Friday and Saturday:

Seeing #MST3Klive on Friday and Saturday night in SF was a real treat, and I'm so glad I went. If this is indeed Joel's formal bowing out from the role he created, while still helping guide its future, then it couldn't have been more fun. pic.twitter.com/JfNKkF7Hyg

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) February 4, 2020

And I muttered this on FB:

So back on Friday and Saturday night, as I briefly posted then, I saw two of the three SF performances on the current Mystery Science Theater 3000 live tour. (The third was a matinee of the Friday show.) Joel Hodgson, the originator of the whole thing, has said this is his last go-round with it as the central figure live (and likely for good), so while ticket prices for close seats were up there, ultimately I felt I had to go for it. And it was well worth it -- the presentation was a stripped-down and engaging affair, almost like the theatrical equivalent of the earliest actual episodes, though with an eye towards careful cleverness in how to showcase the robots, add extra visual elements and so forth, all while keeping the core of making fun of some trashy movies (_No Retreat No Surrender_ on Friday, _Circus of Horrors_ on Saturday). There was also something of it feeling just so right -- MST3K is probably the TV program I ultimately love the absolute most, and where time casts certain lines and things in new and not always better lights, I can't sit with those people who seem to think it was a blight on moviegoing and criticism and so forth. It comes out of a place that doesn't really exist anymore -- late night UHF broadcasts of cheaply made and cheaply acquired films and the sheer befuddlement of seeing them, combined with the Vampiras et al of the world on various local stations as the hosts of bumper segments -- and has become its own origin point for a slew of other approaches in turn. Nearly thirty years is a long time to fly the flag for anything when there's so much more to learn and discover, but even if we're not talking the from-when-I-was-six Tolkien and Star Wars interest I still have -- and, say, Schulz and Peanuts before then, the ultimate lodestone -- it all seems to move beyond nostalgia towards transcendence in its own way. I've only ever seen Joel once before live during a filming of his pilot _The TV Wheel_ back in the mid-1990s, so there was that too, while this supporting cast did a solid job, and Joel made more than one comment -- perhaps underlined by the fact that Netflix has dropped the revival -- that this was 'the future' of MST3K, and it's a little noteworthy that Emily Marsh, to the right of Joel in this shot, was set up the _No Retreat_ performance as, quite possibly, the next person in the jumpsuit alongside the bots. If it took over 50 years to get to Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, then 30 for the equivalent here is an improvement. Maybe the future'll be more productions like this? Maybe something through Shout Factory's own channel? Who knows? But all I can tell you is that I had a good time, and it was especially nice being among 'my people' in the crowd -- a whole mix, older and younger, and by no means not all middle-aged white dudes like yours truly. I think we all had that slight look about us that knows we're not glamourpusses or bros or whatever, we're just people. That suits the show as its best too, and I'll always be grateful. Towards the not too distant future, in whatever form it holds.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:39 (six months ago) link

I can't sit with those people who seem to think it was a blight on moviegoing and criticism and so forth. It comes out of a place that doesn't really exist anymore -- late night UHF broadcasts of cheaply made and cheaply acquired films and the sheer befuddlement of seeing them

Absolutely OTM, and yet I have come to a place of total comfort being an advocate on both sides of this debate.

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 20:31 (six months ago) link

The Buddha of MST3K

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:59 (six months ago) link

Interesting:

http://www.mst3kinfo.com/?p=28884

In brief: Susan Hart, who has the rights to five of the remaining eleven or so episodes not formally rereleased, is apparently on the verge of a deal with Shout Factory.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 19:30 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

We watched the 'Mac & Me' ep last night, pretty fun, I guess they still have it. Any recommendations out of the other 12 that are on Netfix?

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:20 (three months ago) link

cry wilderness

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:23 (three months ago) link

the mac & me episode utterly slayed me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:28 (three months ago) link

I second Cry Wilderness, which is an enjoyably bonkers movie on top of all the riffing.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 23 April 2020 20:41 (three months ago) link

i never came back to pick up the final six episodes. can't remember which were funniest/best in terms of riffing, but just in terms of movie selections, Cry Wilderness the most jaw-dropping of the first batch, and pretty much all of them have the right "feel" to be MST movies. i think Time Travelers and The Christmas That Almost Wasn't were the toughest to get through. i never really fell in love with the cast or the pacing of riffs but i got more used to both as it went on... maybe a little of that is like a "getting used to Mike after Joel" thing, but it never quite shook a certain 2010s "bad movie podcast / bad movie youtube channel" energy that just isn't for me. still totally glad it happened though.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 23 April 2020 21:03 (three months ago) link

Yeah they're compelled to fill all the empty space with jokes. It comes off too blatantly as pre-written, where the pacing and delivery of the original run maintained the illusion of quick witted reactions on the fly.

Evan, Thursday, 23 April 2020 22:05 (three months ago) link

Agreed with that. But yes Cry Wilderness and Mac and Me both agreeably insane. Avalanche was an amazing botch of a film. Generally speaking all the film choices were good, it was the end results that were varied -- the 12th season/six episode run had the advantage of none of the shoe-horned cameos or the clumsy Max/Kinga dynamic, it was more just breeze through it all.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 April 2020 16:57 (three months ago) link

This may owe more to my not-very-good hearing, but when I watched the first few Jonah episodes after they debuted, I had a hard time telling the bots' voices apart, which didn't help that "cramming a joke into every spare moment" approach.

blatherskite, Friday, 24 April 2020 18:40 (three months ago) link

same experience here.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 25 April 2020 11:37 (three months ago) link

I had that issue too - they both have a similar tone and delivery

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 25 April 2020 14:04 (three months ago) link

Okay so the new riffalong special is live in about half an hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEE_fOPcTA

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:28 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXMttOWzLY

wasdnous (abanana), Sunday, 3 May 2020 22:08 (three months ago) link

i find it weird that they are riffing an old episode so it’s like double riffing except the newbies are just kinda ... watching?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 22:13 (three months ago) link

ok it’s still funny

but the interludes are v awkward lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 22:32 (three months ago) link

feel like adding additional riffing to an existing episode might be approaching Peak Riff, but I'm still here for it

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:18 (three months ago) link

agree

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:35 (three months ago) link

Bury My Turtle Hat at Wounded Knee is still one of the funniest lines to me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:36 (three months ago) link

A bit random all in all but nice to showcase the touring cast as a bit of a wider intro. The end short was creepy and weird (of course, it's the circus!).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 May 2020 00:10 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

This has been bugging me for awhile but I finally realized that The Mountain Goats song "Genesis 3:23" has been reminding me of the Puma Man theme. They aren't the same but similar enough, at least according to my subconscious.

Evan, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 19:43 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Well Mike's REALLY shot himself in the foot here, sadly; his beliefs aren't the surprise but this is all pretty wretched:

http://mostly-retro.com/2020/06/14/the-bigot-doug-tennapel-and-his-friend-mike-nelson/

(This Doug guy is the source of most of the wrath in the post, but some of the specific Mike bits aren't so hot, like him complaining about people wearing masks right now. Mm, really?)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 01:08 (one month ago) link

yeah wow, this is a huge bummer to read.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 01:22 (one month ago) link

wow I had no idea

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:26 (one month ago) link

Mike was revealed as kind of a shit politically all the way back to 9/11, not a big surprise here.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:46 (one month ago) link

Yeah, that part's pretty baked in.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 02:52 (one month ago) link

Yeah, he’s near the top of my list for people who I trust are utter shit in real life but still contributed to something crucial in my life. Like, I guess, Christopher Columbus, et al.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 03:19 (one month ago) link

He might be the ultimate test case for separating the artist from the art, and damned if the last 10-20 years haven’t made that a bold statement to make.

He’s rot.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 03:21 (one month ago) link

Vaguely hoped he'd bucked the trend and wised up a little in the Trump era but no surprise he hasn't.

Chris L, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 03:36 (one month ago) link

Also, based on the evidence throughout Rifftrax, not even funny anymore.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 04:21 (one month ago) link

Eh, sort of an update:

A statement from Mike Nelson pic.twitter.com/vM5xe0jtKN

— RiffTrax (@RiffTrax) June 17, 2020

In response to someone asking "This is a good step 1. But will you be taking further measures to show this is not just spin?"

More word on that soon.

— RiffTrax (@RiffTrax) June 17, 2020

Ya gotta wonder.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 21:31 (one month ago) link

Nice to hear that he didn't dig in his heels. Because that's a pretty common response, too. Could have easily gone that way.

Evan, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 21:44 (one month ago) link

As it is, given some of what he DID say regardless, it's not enough. We'll have to see.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 21:57 (one month ago) link

I've seen enough of a pattern to know what I need to know.

I'll still watch season 4-6 episodes, thought, because that's the shows peak.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:48 (one month ago) link

Eh, I was always a bigger Joel fan anyways.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 23:51 (one month ago) link

The writer of that blog responds to Mike's note (thread):

I'm going to preface by saying: If you continue to support Mike and Rifftrax, I do not judge you. We all make our own decisions in situations like these.

My decision is that I will never watch an episode of Rifftrax again. I'll elaborate. https://t.co/mKOkcQ0pQg

— Lost Turntable (@LostTurntable) June 17, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 June 2020 01:07 (one month ago) link

That said, this does carry a lot of weight with me:

Frank, as someone who knows Mike Nelson, do you then believe his statement and apology as being earnest? I ask as a lot of us msties are struggling

— Kyle As Elusive as Robert Denby Rader (@YourOldPalKile) June 18, 2020

Yes, I do. https://t.co/hlqoM8eEP4

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) June 18, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:35 (one month ago) link

Things just mattered less when they were working together, I guess.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:40 (one month ago) link

Tangentially, I feel like there should be a thread about being torn about throwing out old media we used to enjoy because the creators have turned out to be assholes. There’s a lot of chatter on individual artist threads that touches on this but I can’t think of one place where the discussion has ever coalesced on the principle and the sacrifice as opposed to “fuck so-and-so (or only sort of)”

El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:45 (one month ago) link

Yeah, well, as I've indicated, I'm fine keeping the art.

Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:50 (one month ago) link

I sort of assume now that most people who welcome any kind of attention are not good people

all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 18 June 2020 03:00 (one month ago) link

Er, media attention.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 18 June 2020 03:01 (one month ago) link

Felicia Day guested on the flophouse podcast with Elliott Kalan, covering 1980's Hawk the Slayer

https://www.flophousepodcast.com/2020/06/episode-315-hawk-the-slayer/

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 26 June 2020 19:50 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Couple of things of interest -- first, interview last week with Joel on various ideas going forward:

https://www.ign.com/articles/mystery-science-theater-3000s-creator-joel-hodgson-discusses-another-comeback-upcoming-mst3k-projects

And The Girl in Gold Boots soundtrack got a full-on legit release via Modern Harmonic/Sundazed -- even a vinyl/DVD package, crazy!

https://nicholascarras.bandcamp.com/album/girl-in-gold-boots-original-motion-picture-soundtrack

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:54 (one week ago) link

wow @ soundtrack release!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that I didn't expect, but totally makes sense Sundazed was ultimately behind it all -- something like that in terms of the music backstory and sound is right in their wheelhouse.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:21 (one week ago) link


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