Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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Michael Daddino, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh *please*, you ask this of me? What episodes *don't* I have on tape?

So gloriously fucking classic it hurts, period, etc. To explain why -- I always loved really bad movies, they're great. Seeing bad movies trashed by people who obviously had brains but weren't afraid of cheap shots either seemed like perfection, and the fact that the perpetrators were seemingly calm Minnesotans who had a clear and total loathing for bullshit of all sorts -- societal, cultural, political, philosophical - - made it all the more fun. Still my favorite ever TV show.

Search -- um, everything. Some episodes you don't need to see as many times, though, and sometimes ones that weren't as great initially become great with time. My Top Ten List At Present:

Manos, The Hands of Fate -- "Honey, I'm scared." "Of WHAT?"

The Starfighters -- "Bob Dornan, wild at heart."

Mitchell -- "She was going to smell like beer sooner or later."

Teenage Strangler -- "I didn't steal no bike neither!"

Overdrawn at the Memory Bank -- "My nuts?"

Red Zone Cuba -- "You and your swank restaurant and your chichi frog's legs!"

Agent From H.A.R.M. -- "There's the windup...and there's the smarm!"

Werewolf -- "C'mon, dead people know what's going to happen next!"

The Starfighters -- "I like coffee."

Pod People -- "Trumpy! You can do MAGIC things!"

Subject to change, but that's a good starter pack right there, along with Eegah!, Jack Frost, Parts: The Clonus Horror, Monster a Go-Go, The Girl in Gold Boots...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and Deathstalker, naturally.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely adore this show, though I've only been able to see Sci- Fi episodes and only a handful of them at that due to infernal copyright issues (any channel wishing to broadcast it needs rights to both the episode and the film, thus only about 18 eps have been shown in the UK). So my knowledge of MST3K is very limited, but I'll add my vote to Overdrawn At The Memory Bank and Agent From H.A.R.M. - as for episodes to destroy, I haven't seen any eps that are bad but apparently the KTMA ones weren't that good, so destroy them.

Chris Lyons, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

First, the lowdown. Classic? Oh my, yes.


Favorite Episode Available on Rihno: I Accuse My Parents or Catalina Caper. Favorite Episode Overall: Alien From L.A.. Favorite Short: The Days of Our Years. Favorite Riff Sequences: The Beau Brummels at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go in Village of the Giants and Fat Linda Rondstadt in The Incredible Melting Man. Favorite Riff: The Albert Goldman/Greil Marcus ref in The Pod People and the "...Massapequa, Massapequa Park, Amityville, Copaigue, Lindenhurst and Babylon. Change at Jamaica for..." line in The Beatniks.


The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo; the "sandwich" sketch at the end of The Undead; the long string of lesbian jokes in Racket Girls; and, ultimately, the movie, which while v. good, probably should never have been made; and finally, the various asinine copyright issues that pretty much will ensure its limited availability in non-bootleg form to future generations.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo

Herein a mystery -- what is this? Given that they're such gaming addicts I'm not surprised they did it...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I made a boo-boo. It was actually for Playstation Magazine. Riffing was good, as you can imagine, but it was genuinely painful to watch them hawk stuff. Kinda odd that I can't find more info about it.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Any film with Joe Don Baker or John Phillip Law is an absolute classic.

But if I'm being honest, I love nearly every one. The only one I think I would destroy is Hamlet, because the adaptation was so static and dull it was hard to make jokes from.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Ned should definitely make me some tapes. The ones on sci-fi I see all the time, but I miss the old episodes.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Arrangements can be made. I need to get a second VCR for dubbing purposes first, though...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And yes, I did forget Space Mutiny, didn't I? "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Additional Commentary

I brought the subject up because I think it's high time we discussed it at length. A lot of Americans on ILx are pretty vocal about their MST3K-love, but for obvious reasons, much of the UK posse have never even seen the show. Those who have only know the Sci-Fi era shows (and can't get Rhino tapes, either), so they're only getting part of the fun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Comedy-Central purist at all. The primary reason I got slowly peeved at the AOL NY MST3K contingent was because they were by and large vehemently Anti-Mike, going on and on about how the show was a bunch of boring crap now and how cute and sexy Joel was. I just couldn't see it. Admittedly, though, by the time MST3K left CC, the show's early, woozy charm had long faded away -- but it was replaced by something else that, while slick, was still awfully entertaining. (Charm isn't everything.) At the other end of the history spectrum, the KTMAs aren't bad at all, but all woozy charm and few laffs. Still, that won't matter if you're already a fan.

The worst movie they ever did was, easily, Monster A Go-Go. Scroungily overamped "What'd I Say"-rip at the beginning, but looooong stretches of black & white nothingness punctuated by perhaps the most infuriating cinematic anticlimax ever. Next in line is Manos: The Hands of Fate. It's my impression that MST3K almost single-handedly velcroed this flick onto the Canon of Bad Movies, and that's a good thing, because it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

Favorite Sci-Fi-era Episode: Jack Frost. Indeed, every episode involving a children's movie is sterling.

Best Acting in a MST3K Episode: Beverly Garland reads the riot act to The Celery From Outer Space in It Conquered The World. Bela Lugosi tells a fellow scientist off in Bride of the Monster.

Crow vs. Crow: Trace-Crow is more neurotic, Bill-Crow is more snide, yet once Bill got in the groove, I seriously think they were in equal in goodness.

Joel vs. Mike:

Extraneous thought: if in some alternative universe Catalina Caper was a good, no, GREAT movie, the Avalanches' album would be its soundtrack. Perhaps we could kindly suggest to Tim Burton a remake...

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

I was going to throw in a link to the article with all the info, but dammit, it's expired! Your vision of a new Catalina Caper thrills and disturbs my soul.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Although I should at least throw in a link to the more or less official fan site, the Satellite News.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Manos article is here.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That's one of the reasons I could never get into any of the MST3K fan discussions/forums online, they all seem to suffer from this irrational hatred of Mike. It's so silly and pedantic. What's so wrong with liking Joel and Mike?

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do you say the movie should not have been made, Mike?

Josh, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

For one, the movie didn't make any money, partly because Gramercy concentrated its promotional efforts on the Pamela Anderson vehicle Barb-Wire, which ended up belly-flopping anyway. Plus, I got this impression from some recent interview with a member of Best Brains (can't remember where I saw this) that they all ended up regretting ever making the thing in the first place. The whole process was too arduous and distracting and they had to deal with all the asshole suits who prided themselves on having a certain level of hepness, yet told BB to take out a joke about Bootsy Collins because they didn't know who was.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The other weird indulgence of the AOL MSTies was the tongue-lashing Sampo, a.k.a. Chris Cornell (the guy, not the Soundgarden guy), recieved on a regular basis. People seemed real irritated at the fact that he assumed the role of King of All MSTies rather quickly, and I attribute that to minor professional jealousy and peevishness over his pro-Mike stance, all caught in a spiral of ever-amplifying regicidal loathing that you often see online. (Sampo's sometime pomposity didn't help either.) Pettiness a go-go.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, fuck all that. after joel left the show totally went to shit. joel really wanted to create a feeling with story /characters and consistancy. mike was just a hired writer. i think i read someone saying in another thread "after a while if felt like the ones running the show just didnt get 'it' "

chaki, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

As so many of us are such pynchon junkies, here's a great mst3k & pynchon link.

i is brit and loving the mst3k. it can grate if you're not in the right mood, but fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. I also liked the film (riffing on This Island Earth -- fave bit is when the alien is explaining about the fate of his planet "a-huh, yeah, yup... got ya... a-huh"

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

In point of fact, Mike wasn't merely a "hired writer": as early as the second season, he was the Head Writer. Since MST3K was always a group effort, I think it's difficult to pinpoint one person who was responsible for any particular characteristic of the show. (Two obvious exceptions, of course, are the whole Gizmonics Institute business and the idea for the Invention Exchange.) So he may share some responsibility with Joel H. for creating the rather paternal relationship between Joel R. & the 'bots -- a relationship which, for obvious reasons, would be altered once Mike replaced Joel R. the SOL.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The funniest episode of MST3K I've ever seen is a Gammora movie that we watched on KTMA backstage during a high school show choir competition. I can't remember the name of the movie, but the bad monster was a giant gumball machine and the episode contained one of my favorite riffs ever (7-YEAR-OLD GIRL: I love you, Gamora! CROW: Keep your shirt on, honey.). Most of the others I've seen have come from the Sci-Fi years, but "Manos" is definitely classic. I will also put in a vote for "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank" if only because it's fun to watch Raul Julia in something embarrassing, plus "Squirm" and "The Final Sacrifice".

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved Overdrawn At The Memory Bank as a child. I believe I still have a video on it somewhere doubling up with Max Headroom.

Pete, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

unrelated, but i just rewatched Radar Secret Service the other night and there was a moment when the repetition flipped over in my brain, and from then on every riff mentioning "radar" just had me in complete stitches. what a weird, stupid, dull movie - great find by BBI.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Friday, 30 April 2021 23:51 (seven months ago) link

Yeah that's a long time favorite of mine. The extended Goodfellas riff at the end is amazing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 April 2021 23:55 (seven months ago) link

so there's a youtuber with "broadcast editions" of mst3k - like with the comedy central commercial breaks not edited out. i'm currently watching a 1993 Secret Agent Super Dragon and it''s blowing my mind how impossibly dated and distant everything in the commercials seems, culturally, verus the show still seeming so so fresh and smart and funny to me (much of the time). just saw a bar soap ad where the conceit was, someone at a doctor's office is typing out a prescription for you to use this soap. and it's all closeup shots of typewriter keys. the world of ubiquitous everyday *typewriters* seems as alien and as kinda charming as anything from the 50s or the 70s did back when these episodes were new. and the station ads for standup shows are just complete dead air to me. not one thing even feeling like the way a "joke" would be *formed* today.

whereas mst3k, while unquestionably and beautifully of its time also, works for me. maybe some of the lesser skits fall short of the mark. and definitely, the gentle editing pace and "just set the camera in place and hit 'record'' style of filming do not feel contemporary. but i still experience their back-then outreness and hipness, like the residual glow i pick up watching The Talking Heads or something.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 2 May 2021 03:36 (six months ago) link

Thanks for the tip! Just watched the Turkey Day version of Mitchell!. So many Air Force ads...

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 May 2021 21:10 (six months ago) link

and the station ads for standup shows are just complete dead air to me. not one thing even feeling like the way a "joke" would be *formed* today.

curious if you could provide an example

Evan, Sunday, 2 May 2021 21:56 (six months ago) link

ummm i'd have to dig back thru the youtube, not sure at what point i encountered the ad that pushed the thought over the top. some promo for some "this funny guy hosts a show of other people's standup" show? this whole viewing experience is already a little hazy in my mind tbh.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 May 2021 02:54 (six months ago) link

No worries guess I just wanted to know more about the effect you described! An obsolete joke form or delivery...

Evan, Monday, 3 May 2021 03:21 (six months ago) link

Yeah, to be fair I may have oversold that slightly, the problems really might be more with content than form. but judge for yourself in this clip - the commercial breaks start at 3:00, 19:00, 33:00, 43:15, 55:40, 1:08:45, 1:20:30, 1:33:30, 1:44:30... maybe some others i missed.

like, the various product ads just feel cheesy and hokey, which is fine, they're 30 years old (though at the time i'm sure some of the advertisers involved thought they were doing quirky, fresh things). the "totally nuts about Payday" song has a kind of cool, hyper-clean sound on the vocal overdubs. but the ads for Comedy Central stuff are .......... not funny. i admit that most of them, i can tell what's supposed to be funny, but time has rendered their constructions awkward and labored-feeling. probably why i reached for the ILX-ism of the horribly formed "joke." just how clunky it feels, and this is a network ostensibly specializing in humor.

Whereas, say, the "jazz combo" host segment skit, while it kinda falls flat in its own way, has a kind of aggressively surreal "we don't care if most people don't get this" quality that would not feel out of place on Eric Andre or something. and the best riffs have this freshness of timing that, while all scripted, genuinely feels like a flash of improv insight, right there on the spot.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 May 2021 13:52 (six months ago) link

so either culturally, humor has moved closer to where MST was in 1993, or... my sense of humor was very much shaped by MST in 1993.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 May 2021 13:53 (six months ago) link

You can't escape your youth. If you will.

Anyway: Kickstarter passed $4.4 mil so we're getting at least nine episodes and one of them with Joel. Just under three days to go (wraps up Friday night at 8 pm Pacific Time) but given the expected but still good to see pretty active count it's looking like the final goal is on.

Meantime the first two movies they'll be doing have been announced:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 03:33 (six months ago) link

should hit the $5.5 million in the next hour or so, Telethon going to be a fun celebration stream

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 7 May 2021 05:03 (six months ago) link

Yeah something'll be up -- the announced stretch goal was $5.8 million to top the amount last time and they'll blow by that even before the telethon starts, so Joel announced this:

Wow! I'm Stunned and Humbled that we just passed our goal of making 12 new MST3Ks and the Gizmoplex! Thank you Team MST3K -- New final goals are coming in the next backer update! Whew!

— Joel Hodgson (@JoelGHodgson) May 7, 2021

Meantime Bill's doing something pretty cool!

On June 1st I’ll be talking to my friend and musical hero @kristinhersh of Throwing Muses and 50FOOTWAVE about her new book. Can’t wait! Info below.

— Bill Corbett (@BillCorbett) May 7, 2021

And over in MadsWorld, this is happening, which...well, I'll defer to Eric. Last year, as you can see upthread, Frank specifically said he figured Mike can change his ways. Hm.

This coming Tuesday, May 11, 8pm, @TraceBeaulieu and I perform our next live streaming @MST3K-style show, a riff of T-BIRD GANG. And our special Q&A guest is very special indeed - Michael J. Nelson! $10, a portion benefits @FINfoodMN.

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) May 6, 2021

(The podcast that Mike was on there for a while did keep going and complained about cancel culture and the like, posting weekly until January 3 of this year. Ever so mysteriously, they've apparently only had two random episodes since. I wonder what happened shortly after the third.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 May 2021 16:40 (six months ago) link

New last update from the Kickstarter

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 May 2021 17:13 (six months ago) link

Rest well Neil, you were a Kid Brother

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:23 (six months ago) link

Also last night's Mads are Back with Mike was, well, a treat? Which yeah, given everything, I almost hate to say it. But they -- probably unavoidably, really -- steered WAY clear of both any mention of the Kickstarter and Mike's not-so-good past achievements in favor of general memories and random discussions about various things like favorite Bond movies and the like. (If anything all the MST stories would have been great on the Kickstarter livestreams if everyone was on speaking terms, which, well, no -- and there was one part when Mike was talking about the auctioning off of everything at the end of the original series run which combined with Trace's comments makes it again clear that if there's one thing that unites all the veterans, it's that everybody probably has it out for Jim Mallon still.)

The film itself was a great piece of late 50s trash, T-Bird Gang, very Daddy-O/The Beatniks in feel, and Frank and Trace did a real number on it -- very entertaining, one of their best yet. Vic Tayback was in it briefly and a big supporting role was, of all people, Coleman Francis! Playing a gruff but actually sympathetic and personable cop? Plus a fuller head of hair? I was kinda amazed seeing he could actually act a bit. Next up is another random thing from the era, The Lost Missile, starring Robert Loggia!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:29 (six months ago) link

Is there bad blood between the Nu-MST3k crew and the others? All I know is that Frank said once (on Twitter?) that he and Trace weren't asked to participate in nu-MST3k and left it at that (I know Mary Jo and Bill Corbett made cameos).

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:53 (six months ago) link

It's a long story discussed upthread from the time of the 2015 revival. Basically while everyone's pretty much anti-Mallon as noted (though now that he's sold the show some years back it's probably more of a residual grudge), for a long time there seemed to be two 'camps' for lack of a better word, the Rifftrax and the Cinematic Titanic crew. But while the latter probably came together precisely because they saw how well the former group was doing, they got along well enough doing their own things, appeared at the Comic-Con panel years back that's on one of the DVDs, various groups of people met up at other conventions etc. However, there's been enough said at this point that it was clear that Joel initially tried to envision nu-MST3K as a return for original folks like Trace, Frank etc. from Cinematic Titanic -- Rifftrax was happy being themselves I gather -- but then it turned into Joel doing his Next Generation thing, shortly after the collapse of Cinematic Titanic, and I'm sure it's all related. And THAT is what really caused a split. J. Elvis was a bit grumpy about it for a while, but as you noted Mary Jo and Bill (and Kevin!) did their cameos. And J. Elvis and Bill and Joel reunited for the benefit shorts last year, and there's a bit of a guess that they could be the crew for the new Joel episodes coming up. But Trace and Frank have been VERY clear that they had major problems with Joel as a result, and various comments on the old Movie Sign With the Mads podcast as well as Twitter, not to mention last month's Mads are Back livestream, just reinforce that. They did do the MInneapolis MST3K reunion hosted by Rifftrax but you could sense the off vibes a bit.

It's notable, in turn, that if you remove Joel from the equation, everyone else gets along. So for instance Rifftrax had done various events with Trace/Frank, Bridget/Mary Jo, etc. at times, including Sketchfest a couple of years ago. Meantime, at Sketchfest last year, they literally had just about everybody from the old crews together for a massive riff-off, plus Jonah! Meanwhile, Joel was doing the live tour with the new Emily crew in turn. And this time around it's notable that Bill was happily part of the Kickstarter via a livestream turn, as was Mary Jo, while Kevin and Mike did their Frank and Trace appearances. In conclusion -- tangled as fuck. And this is all just the surface level stuff that's public, who knows what else is going on.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 May 2021 03:43 (six months ago) link

If you have a bunch of people who feel like they have sweat equity but one guy who has the actual equity then these things happen

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Thursday, 13 May 2021 04:21 (six months ago) link

Andy Kindler said that J. Elvis is going to be in one episodrr Ed of the next season

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 14 May 2021 23:11 (six months ago) link

One-Episode Ed, the new superhero

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 May 2021 23:12 (six months ago) link

Speaking of Jonah, in 2019 I saw him on the Washington stop of a live tour that included a movie riff of an early 90s vanity production called “Get Even” (or as the title card called it “Geteven”). It was fantastic, he’s a born riffer.

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 15 May 2021 01:48 (six months ago) link

Meantime, the actress who played two roles (as twin sisters) in Deathstalker and the Warriors from Hell, has taken an odd path in life. (She’s been a GOP sort for at least a couple of decades now.)

.⁦@JonathanTamari⁩ on the Toomey seat >

The next person who seems likely to enter the race is Carla Sands, Trump’s former amb to Denmark, who, according to Republicans who have met with her, has privately touted her ability to win his endorsement.

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) May 15, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:43 (six months ago) link

warriors from hell indeed

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 15 May 2021 23:03 (six months ago) link

Imagining an Alt-Timeline wherein Torgo lived and became governor of Texas.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 15 May 2021 23:07 (six months ago) link

Torgo theme blaring from lifted pickup trucks

Evan, Sunday, 16 May 2021 14:11 (six months ago) link

“We have nothing to fear... because the master likes you. Nothing will happen to you. He likes you.”

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 May 2021 15:22 (six months ago) link

So here’s an artifact. Lately a YouTube user has been putting up MST3K ‘broadcast’ episodes, with the now-thoroughly ancient commercials of their time included. Amusing enough but what I hadn’t realized is that this person has included episodes from the original local TV run on KTMA 23 from Minneapolis in 1988-89. Meaning it’s all *local* ads. Some of them are standard enough promos for other programming or legal firm commercials, but some of them are very very of their time and place specifically. The sound in this episode is choppy and as with most of the earliest ones the riffs are much less plentiful and polished but if you scroll for the ads alone you’ll be amazed. (Amusingly, this was a repeat episode -- they talk about Christmas and New Year's but this tape was done on a March rebroadcast.)

There's a number of others up as well.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 May 2021 15:58 (six months ago) link

woah, the "broadcast version" treasures keep on coming! i just watched City on Fire in non-MSTed form (which, yeccccchhh), maybe i'll throw that one soon!

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:45 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Mr. Corbett on what it's like working with Mike given certain...differences.

Separately, he was great being the host of a chat with Kristin Hersh last night for her virtual book tour!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 20:10 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Hey fun news, the latest live tour is happening and it's the Emily crew! They were great on that last one and now she'll be the host properly.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 17:35 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

And it's a wonderful read, that's for sure.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 August 2021 00:16 (three months ago) link

two months pass...
three weeks pass...

Is there a turkey day stream this year?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 25 November 2021 14:13 (five days ago) link

its up on twitch, youtube stream seems to be borked for the moment

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 25 November 2021 14:13 (five days ago) link


Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 25 November 2021 14:14 (five days ago) link

youtube stream is working

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 November 2021 15:26 (five days ago) link

Won’t be able to catch it this year, someone post the list of new episodes when announced

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 November 2021 17:34 (five days ago) link

i’ll keep track & put up the list later, stay tuned!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 November 2021 18:09 (five days ago) link

to think of all things, this used to be the oldest tradition in my family growing up.

dad forced us to watch it at first, but the Neanderthal boys grew to love it fast. my mother never understood it.

hoping I can watch some.

Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 November 2021 18:32 (five days ago) link

S13 films announced so far (I may have missed one)

Santo and Dracula's Treasure (1969)
Robot Wars (1993)
Beyond Atlantis (1973)
Munchie (1992)
Doctor Mordrid (1992)
Demon Squad (2019)
Gamera vs Jiger (1970)
The Batwoman (1968)
The Million Eyes of Sumuru (1967)

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 25 November 2021 23:51 (five days ago) link

Nice mix!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 November 2021 00:59 (four days ago) link

The Shape of Things to Come (1979)
The Mask (1961)

you can see all the teaser clips here

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 26 November 2021 01:02 (four days ago) link

full list:


Santo in the Treasure of Dracula (1969)
Robot Wars (1993)
Beyond Atlantis (1973)
Munchie (1992)
Dr Mordrid (1992)
Demon Squad (2019)
Gamera Vs Jiger (1970)
The Batwoman (1968)
The Million Eyes of Su Muru (1967)
HG Wells The Shape of Things To Come (1979)
The Mask 3D (1961)
The Bubble (1966)
The Christmas Dragon (2014)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 November 2021 02:19 (four days ago) link

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 November 2021 05:35 (four days ago) link

Munchie is the first time a movie has ever broken me. I have visceral disgust and anger towards this movie now. I would gladly watch 500 Days of Salò over this again. The Mads @feliciaday and @pattonoswalt are unrepentant monsters

— Hampton Yount (@Hamptonyount) November 25, 2021

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 November 2021 05:35 (four days ago) link

similar sentiments from Matt oswalt re munchie

I wrote for MST3K this season but the film that truly broke me was Munchie. I exorcized the demons with a Munchie birthday party, though I'm still triggered by Dom Deluise's voice.@feliciaday @Hamptonyount @jonahray @phunkybeck @rossbryant all suffered with me#MST3KTurkeyDay

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) November 25, 2021

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 November 2021 06:07 (four days ago) link

S13 starts March 4th, not that far away now

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 26 November 2021 06:58 (four days ago) link

it feels like eons :(

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 November 2021 07:05 (four days ago) link

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