The official bored-at-work cryptic crossword pass it on thread.

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Okay yeah! Solve the current one, post your answer and new one.

Alan, in the afternoon, is a tree (4)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Palm

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

palm

xpost

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yew

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay Huk and Onimo new clue please!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Almost create a fib, perhaps, or tell one (9)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

fabricate

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes, your turn!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 8 December 2005 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe we should have some sort of rule whereby if someone gets one and then doesn't put up a new clue after ten minutes, it defaults to whoever wants it?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

(if only because I am here until bloody seven today)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, here's a classic

City stylish in the past (7)

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Chicago! Nice.

Ok here's one: Unsuccessful rock promoter (8)

ledge (ledge), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Thread of my dreams :)

Can't do the one above though :(

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh well - I'm off now, feel free to post a new one if no-one gets it.

ledge (ledge), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a hard one!

Later TL!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know what this is- poorterm? That's not a word.


The Chicago clue is not original- I've seen it and its variants in puzzles many times.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn, I have to go now too. Later!

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

This is just the thread I need to get me through the day - and I killed it!

S_S_P_U_

ledge (ledge), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Aw, man, that is the greatest clue EVER (once I'd worked out the answer, which took about 2 seconds once you'd put the letters in!)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Answer being Sisyphus, btw.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Correctamundo - and thanks! - your turn then.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow, that's genius.

New clue! Ailsa you there?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay, well, I'll post an easy one to get us rolling again:

Heats sacks (5)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Fires.

Id's involved in painful, er, mistake. (8, 4)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Freudian Slip!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Even my hired lady must submit (5)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Well done!

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Yield

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, sorry, went off to have some breakfast. New clue:

Country with its capital in Czechoslovakia (6)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't have a paper on me, so here's a classic:
GSEG (9, 4)

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry, xpost

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Norway

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Scrambled eggs!

(xpost, yes correct)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Not posting the answer to ailsa's but it's my favourite clue ever :)

x-post :)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha I meant's Sam's! Ailsa's is good too though obv.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Gambler mixes rent up (6)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link

(I know I didn't win the last one but I thought of that on the train this morning and didn't want to forget)

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link

punter!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Punter. (xpost, bah)

I can't think of any more just now - will go trawling through my newspaper recycling box and come back later.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:07 (thirteen years ago) link

S is very hush hush (3,9)

Tag (Tag), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link

(3,6) I mean. Spanner.

Tag (Tag), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link

(ailsa or sam do you want this one, or shall I pick one?)

(this thread has saved work)

x-post okay: 'I have recognized my son!' he said proudly (5,2,3)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Tag's is top secret, this one has me stumped...

ledge (ledge), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't work out top secret! :(

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:20 (thirteen years ago) link

"s" is the first (top) letter of secret, innit?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Harsh!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:21 (thirteen years ago) link

What's harsh is not having any other letters to at least get a starting point for these...

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I might need to check the 'quickie' clue for that last one :-(

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link

That's my boy!

Sam (chirombo), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link

That's my boy.
xpost

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link

ha i kinda guess thats what you guys said, it's quite hard with common words like 'or' to pick apart definitions

nxd, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:56 (five months ago) link

SCEPTRE relies on you knowing that sc is a less common equivalent to viz (which I didn’t)

A similar expression is scilicet (from earlier scire licet), abbreviated as sc., which is Latin for "it is permitted to know".

So SC (namely) + ERE (before) holding PT (exercises, as in physical training)

mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:02 (five months ago) link

lord knows it's hard enough to write good clues without pedants like me sticking their oar in; i hereby rescind all previous remarks and will refrain from all future such.


From the same puzzle: Guardian Cryptic crossword No 27,797, 1 Across: Lightweight compiler in trouble with a bunch of pedants (7,6)

mumsnet blvd (wins), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:14 (five months ago) link

wtf!

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:44 (five months ago) link

Thanks to everyone on the last batch! 'Sc' namely is hmm.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:44 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

bit in the observer yesterday

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/may/12/anna-shechtman-the-new-queen-of-crosswords

american crosswords are strange things.

koogs, Monday, 13 May 2019 14:41 (four months ago) link

I read that whole thing this morning really confused; assumed it was a cryptic setter

kinder, Monday, 13 May 2019 14:46 (four months ago) link

the one i couldn't get from yesterday's observer:

Tests idiot about uniform (2-6) and i have the letters _S-_E_E_S

("as sevens" i thought. 'ass' around 'even'. but that leaves an unexplained 's' and also isn't a thing)

koogs, Monday, 20 May 2019 10:48 (three months ago) link

AS Levels

The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 20 May 2019 10:49 (three months ago) link

though i would say that's 1-1-6

The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 20 May 2019 10:50 (three months ago) link

Idiot = Ass
Uniform = level

AS Levels?

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Monday, 20 May 2019 10:59 (three months ago) link

Beat me to it

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Monday, 20 May 2019 10:59 (three months ago) link

thanks. i should've got that.

was also convinced about similies being an anagram of missle until the other letters got in the way.

koogs, Monday, 20 May 2019 11:02 (three months ago) link

>american crosswords are strange things.

This article def made me realise that the weirdly arbitrary set of canonical UK-crossword acronyms are just, like, locked in annoyingly until someone consciously challenges them though - are there setters who just don't use the R.E./R.A. ones or the others that always have to be introduced to learner solvers with an apology?

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:07 (three months ago) link

H.E. (his excellency) for ambassador had me rmde when I learned about it not very many years ago.

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:13 (three months ago) link

made you what, sorry

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:30 (three months ago) link

smdh

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:32 (three months ago) link

Never come across this clue type before:
Cryptic crosswords for beginners: cycling clues

https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/crossword-blog/2019/may/27/cryptic-crosswords-for-beginners-cycling-clues

The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 27 May 2019 16:16 (three months ago) link

Me neither! But seems both fair and useful to me.

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 19:22 (three months ago) link

loved this one in todays times

rogue cop wearing blue material flicks food (7)

nxd, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:39 (three months ago) link

p good

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 31 May 2019 20:41 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Controversy at 30A: https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/27852

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 20 June 2019 13:03 (two months ago) link

wow

some cute ones in the times quick cryptic on my week off i enjoyed...

Outfit for the tango follower? (7)
Braved winds bravely, say (6)

nxd, Monday, 24 June 2019 10:45 (two months ago) link

cuet, second one v sneaky considering the mechanism is pretty obvious.

Smash up Tracy Chapman's car, it's what you do first thing in the morning. (9)

The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 09:19 (two months ago) link

ooh I got that one

kinder, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 13:08 (two months ago) link

today's Graun

Monk controls a new church in Don's area (2, 6)

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:07 (two months ago) link

No way I could get that without letters. An unstraightforward synonym, an unconventional indicating word and a somewhat cryptic definition. Maybe they'd all jump out at you if you do these things more frequently than I do.

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 28 June 2019 07:39 (two months ago) link

the "a new church" bit in the middle was a good start for me, it followed quickly from that. I had also been thinking about definitions of "Don's area" along the lines of Sicily, and the solution wasn't too far away from that.

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 28 June 2019 07:58 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

From today's grauniad (SPOILERS omg):

Fens used to be drained, Hull also (8)
WASHLAND
WAS=”used to be” + H[ul]L drained of inside letters + AND=”also”

I know I promised upthread to stop being pedantic but this just doesn't ahem wash with me - the comma clearly separates 'drained' from 'Hull' so the former can't apply to the latter. Should just entirely ignore punctuation when reading clues from now on?

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 16 August 2019 08:56 (one month ago) link

I've always believed that most punctuation is to be ignored as it's merely part of the surface reading and is designed even as deliberate misdirection. Of course there are exceptions, but commas are definitely something I try to mentally expunge when reading the clue in the hope of finding the solution.

brain (krakow), Friday, 16 August 2019 09:40 (one month ago) link

Yes, you should

TS: “8:05” vs. “905” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 August 2019 09:46 (one month ago) link

Just checked Ximenes in The Art of the Crossword and he is definitely not in favour of 'misleading' punctuation, which aids the surface but obscures the solution. Maybe that is an old fashioned view.

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 16 August 2019 09:49 (one month ago) link

its bad cluing and you are otm

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 16 August 2019 11:41 (one month ago) link

*delighted emoji*

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 16 August 2019 12:41 (one month ago) link

today's Graun

Monk controls a new church in Don's area (2, 6)

I looked this up because I was tired but feel I could have gotten it.

TS: “8:05” vs. “905” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 August 2019 12:48 (one month ago) link

Sometimes I think I'm just not cut out for these things; today's grauniad doesn't help, half the answers are or involve politicians from the last 70+ years, on top of that it's Paul's usual tricky clues or obscure answers:

Politician's baby (7) - 'baby' here is not what you'd think

Barking, mog admits arrogance (9) - easy anag but not a straightforward synonym.

Sweet thing, a Scot unfortunately beset by wind (9) - I was aware of lots of sweet things in the same category, but not this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/27906

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:51 (four weeks ago) link

I figured out long ago that Paul is beyond my skill set; I don't even bother.

Arachne (who did the WASHLAND clue) is generally very fair, and clever, when she's setting on the beginner end of the spectrum. This one was mostly too dense for me.

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 22 August 2019 18:44 (four weeks ago) link

I like Paul and his corny dad joke clues, I think I might be the only one

imo the first one there is not only perfectly cromulent but kind of easy

YouGov to see it (wins), Thursday, 22 August 2019 20:07 (four weeks ago) link

yeah I like Paul too, tough but fair by and large

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Thursday, 22 August 2019 20:44 (four weeks ago) link

aye i'm just bitter cause he's too hard for me.

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 22 August 2019 21:40 (four weeks ago) link

(Good that the guardian crossword widget now works ok on mobiles - the way Google keyboard is tuned for inputting words rather than letters always used to make it awkward)

koogs, Friday, 23 August 2019 05:03 (three weeks ago) link

Not to turn thread into just our pet grievances but it’s another bank holiday so you know what that means

imo it doesn’t speak well of maskarade’s skill as a cluer that their instructions are so poorly worded that you spend ten minutes just trying to parse them. I made ok (slowish) progress on the puzzle during my long train journey today but it’s definitely offputting when the instructions make it seem more convoluted than it actually is.

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 24 August 2019 23:33 (three weeks ago) link

I can't make head nor tail of it, but then my level is generally Mondays rather than Prize.

I've been managing the odd few clues further through the week though recently, which has been heartening. Watching some solvers on Youtube (mainly 'Cracking the Cryptic' I think it's called) and listening in on a weekly Sunday group live solve on Twitch a couple of times (https://www.twitch.tv/bupkes_) have helped, I think.

brain (krakow), Sunday, 25 August 2019 13:58 (three weeks ago) link

I'm talking about my attempts at The Guardian cryptics there. They're curated to roughly increase in difficulty from Monday through Friday and culminate in the most difficult Saturday Prize crossword, right?

Rufus was always my favourite setter (because I could manage his crosswords!) and I've not really latched on to anyone else in particular since he retired.

brain (krakow), Sunday, 25 August 2019 14:06 (three weeks ago) link

(archel bupkes is ex-ilx)

koogs, Sunday, 25 August 2019 14:41 (three weeks ago) link

Rufus is sorely missed. I do enjoy the extra challenge of the special instruction ones; often they actually aid in the solving, the alphabetical ones especially. "Not further defined" can always fuck off though. Gonna give this a go but will be leaning hard on anagram solvers et al.

Chances of being able to sit down and watch something live on a sunday are basically zero, unfortunately.

The Pingularity (ledge), Sunday, 25 August 2019 14:58 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

How common is this? Is it something that slipped past the editor?

wasdnuos (abanana), Friday, 13 September 2019 12:29 (six days ago) link

Hidden messages like that crop up now and again, & they’re always sneaking in naughty/political content, it’s not common to see both at once - I’m in favour of it even if it is eyerolly Lib Dem kinda stuff

YouGov to see it (wins), Friday, 13 September 2019 14:02 (six days ago) link

I’d got out of the habit of doing crosswords since the person I used to do them with at work quit, but a few weeks ago I was in the pub and a group of people at the next table were doing the listener together. I was trying to read my book but I couldn’t help eavesdropping - scornfully at first like “get a load of these posh ninnies” but eventually I just had to (politely) butt in and supply and answer, and they invited me to join them

Last night I went back to that pub and they were there again so I asked if it was a weekly thing they did & would they mind if I joined from time to time. Despite my initial unkind thoughts they are a nice bunch & taking on the listener in a group is pretty fun! I like the satisfaction of figuring out what the deal is: the one we did yesterday was titled “don’t tell” and it was Burroughs-themed, with one aspect of the puzzle relating to the Vollmer incident and several of the clues having been subjected to the cut-up technique!

I will say tho that these people are a bit too quick to cheat for my liking

YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 14 September 2019 14:10 (five days ago) link


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