Buying A House: C or D?

here's another sad thing -- part of the reason why living in a vehicle is more affordable is because it isn't a building. The vehicle doesn't even have to be drive-able. It just has to be a structure on wheels. If it's on wheels, it's not a building. If it's not a building, it isn't subject to the same code requirements as a building.

that sounds really fascinating, table! i'd love to read more about it if you were willing to go into detail? maybe on another thread, if it's too far from the subject of this one (and if it's not too exhausting to think about, lol)

alt/creative/cheapo housing for the houseless or some such, because all the good dumpsters are +$250k

i legit wanted to go live in a cave when i were a yoot but i am far too wussy. cold and dark and bugs, i respect u but no thanks

Interesting article. I bought a ~40 year old double wide in a 55+ park in January 2021 - 1750 sqft, 3 bd 2 bath, a workshop, and a storage shed, for a lot less than a Tesla X. In the Seattle area. The way rents are around here, we need to live in it about 4 years to break even, with nearly double the space of the 1k sqft apartment we'd been renting. It has been a good move for us so far, and I'm looking to make some age-in-place changes.

The park itself is in a specially zoned area of Kent, where it can't be sold off to become any other form of development - which happened pre-pandemic to a park in Federal Way. All the residents had to clear out to make way for a hotel, that due to Covid won't be built. The owners of this park own many others in the area, and are 3rd generation. They totally charge for water - I'm installing rain barrels.

Since it's technically "mobile", the closing was a bizarre exercise involving several license branches and the county clerk.

cat, I don't know if you know this, but Jaq's abode features a catio

o yah i vividly recalled the horror i felt reading that article the first time around (8 yrs ago, good lord) and those soulless quotes from the main seminar guy. bro made 6 mil by the time he was 35 by uglying people's eyes with billboards, but was he content with enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life? lol no, he needed that "fuck you" money, actually that "fuck you, the poor, specifically" money, and this thread reminded me of him and the whole class of people like him, people who -- no offense -- should be made into sushi and fed to each other

congrats on the home, Jaq!!! i have beheld photos of thy menagerie in one of the kittypix threads, and felt overwhelming 😻😻😻

catios are going for 3k a month here, outrageous

Hmm I will mention that figure to the 6 pack!

cat— there are used UHaul dealerships, usually attached to larger regular UHaul service centers, all over the place. We bought ours (in 2013, mind you) for $2300 (actually $1600, with 700 for back registration fees and etc).

We built a lofted bed that partly went into the "granny's attic" so that we could have more space, put in bookshelves and storage for dry goods, and a small kitchen (aka a sink attached to a 10 gallon drum and a bilge pump on a light-switch, alongside a butane-driven hotplate).

At first we moved around more, but eventually we settled outside our friends' warehouse space in West Oakland, and we would use their bathroom and shower at the gym, which was close by.

We also installed solar panels, so that we were able to charge phones, laptops, and all sorts of other devices in the comfort of the truck.

Sarahell saw it and can attest that it was a beast.

My partner and I had been together for 1.5 years when we moved into it, and while at first I was convinced it would break us apart, I think it actually made our relationship much stronger— when there's only 140 feet to move around in, you learn to talk things through and compromise.

woah, thank you! with the luxury of not having been there & of knowing y'all made it through okay, it sounds kind of crazy romantic.

there's cheap chunks of land around but the kind of money & sweat equity required to make them livable is out of reach, at least until my cult takes off. need me a passel of hobbits, dang it!

If I were not a father and a rock musician, I imagine I could very happily live in a Mazda 3 hatchback, or even a Dutch cargo bicycle.

Unfortunately I am a rock musician (which implies drums, amps, PA, guitars, and space to make noise without disturbing neighbors). I will admit to envying the Airstream in "Sound of Metal."

But a family with school-age children (as I have) is not a great candidate for any of these lifestyles.

explains why i don't and won't ever have kids, tbh-- even more than the being gay thing

The percentage US home for sale that have cut their asking price over the last 4 weeks is at the highest level we've seen since Redfin started tracking the data in 2015.https://t.co/i26yC3A0R0 pic.twitter.com/fiPBcVYkdF

— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) July 24, 2022

hell yeah

still not coming down enough in the DC area, though. BUT, my fiancee and I are about to make an offer on a two-bedroom condo so we can move in together (she has a small one-BR in the same, nice building as the unit we are making an offer in the less salubrious part of Arlington VA, I co-own a condo in the Maryland exurbs with my brother that used to be my home but more or less live with my fiancee now).

I think the problem the homebuyers face is that prices experienced such an extreme runup in the last two years that they could fall quite substantially and still be unaffordable. In fact they could fall all the way back to January 2020 levels and still be less affordable due to rate increases.

I also can't say I see evidence of any kind of major market correction in my area (NYC suburbs) but maybe evidence that things have peaked and are starting to roll off the craziness a little. It's also like prime season for people to be closing sales here (most people look for places in the Spring and close May-August to get their kids into schools) so it may take a little time to see any impact.

Price cuts driven by 2019-2021 buyers trying to cash out and setting greedy first prices.

It seems that Opendoor is offering $$ to sellers to cancel contracts.

If its just bc they think they missed on a valuations, then it’s smart to cut losses.

But the owner (an RE professional) says that the price was at/below market. So could be a more meaningful pullback. https://t.co/o6sIIuyp8X

— Bobby Fijan (@bobbyfijan) July 27, 2022

The housing boom ends, and nowhere in America boomed as much as Boise, Idaho

61% of listings in the metro area had a price cut in June, the highest rate out of 97 metro areas surveyed https://t.co/KRyYnqxyem

— Nick Timiraos (@NickTimiraos) July 27, 2022

What is OpenDoor? I assume they buy houses, like Zillow tried to do?

yeah ok guess that's what it is. It's a "WE PAY CASH $$$ 4 HOUSES" flyer on a national/corporate scale

yup, like zillow's ibuying business but that's all they do. they're allegedly slightly better at it than zillow were (their offers on my place are always lower than zillow's), but it's hard to do in a reversing market.

(1/6) U.S home prices fell 4.1% ($17,603) year over year in April. That’s the biggest dollar drop and the largest percentage decline since January 2012.

In pandemic boomtowns and pricey coastal markets, home prices are falling even further. #housingmarket

— Redfin (@Redfin) May 22, 2023

Hell yeah hook me up

you love to see it

Unfortunately interest rates aren't cooperating

Interest rates going up are the reason prices are going down. It's the monthly payment that determines yes/no on buying a house, unless you have a big wad of cash.

Prcey coastal markets soon to be nestling in the actual ocean could be one reason for the fall there

thing is that interest rates change, the price you paid for the house never does, so long term you could argue that lower price + higher rates might be better than if higher price + low rates were about the same monthly payment

what's wild is the *average rate* since 1971 is 7.75%

from the late 70s through early 80s they were just through the roof

Yeah but much lower prices

Yeah the monthly payments as a percentage of income was lower or the same despite the high rates

Prcey coastal markets soon to be nestling in the actual ocean could be one reason for the fall there

― purveyors of landfill zeuhl (Matt #2), Monday, May 22, 2023 7:02 PM (yesterday)

it's more along the lines of remote work means people can move to cheaper areas and have bigger houses for less money ... also crime + homelessness. at least as far as the west coast of the US is concerned

I've read that one reason housing prices haven't gone down despite the rise in interest rates is that the recession hasn't started yet - people aren't losing their jobs and being forced to sell their houses in firesales like in 2008. so, it's good because people with houses are keeping their jobs and not getting evicted by the banks, but it's bad because people who don't have houses yet all of a sudden are finding it much more expensive to buy

people also refinanced their already smaller mortgages at very low rates, making the threshold for firesale higher even in a recession.

In the US there is a multi-factor thing which is rather all intertwined. COVID created two years of very accelerated volume in house purchases. It would make sense that the market would be slower after those years. Then there is the fact that a very large number of home owners are locked in at extremely low rates which will also further reduce the willingness to sell / move.

So you have really low inventory which is basically holding prices up a lot, sometimes creating bidding wars even though interest rates have increased so much. The conforming mortgage level has basically increased 50% over the course of three years (from around $500k to $740k now).

It is a very unusual dynamic.

there's also stuff like aging baby boomers wanting to grow old at home, the increased ease in short-term rentals, and maybe(?) fewer traditional single family homes being built (there definitely wasn't as much construction during the height of covid), but people still want that? just spitballing

im not a fan to be honest. I mean it'll be nice getting some of the money back we put in, assuming I dont die first, but this being stuck in one place is the pits

Sometimes i daydream about a natural disaster that flattens our house when none of us are home and somehow all the animals are safe. oh the freedom.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Getaway-Pad-540-sq-ft-1-Bed-and-Roof-Deck-Tiny-Home-Steel-Frame-Building-Kit-ADU-Cabin-Guest-house-GPRD540/320746688

So we've circled back to the Sears catalog.

Replacement cost seems reasonable. State Farm might even insure it.

Sometimes i daydream about a natural disaster that flattens our house when none of us are home and somehow all the animals are safe. oh the freedom.

Not gonna lie, I was thinking this in March when the tornado was going through town and we were in the bedroom closet. "Just leave the safe and my rum collection and take everything else, c'mon Mr. Tough Storm"

home insurance? what's that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/climate/climate-change-insurance-wildfires-california.html

im not a fan to be honest. I mean it'll be nice getting some of the money back we put in, assuming I dont die first, but this being stuck in one place is the pits

― But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Friday, May 26, 2023 1:23 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sometimes i daydream about a natural disaster that flattens our house when none of us are home and somehow all the animals are safe. oh the freedom.

― But who are we doing it versus? (sunny successor), Friday, May 26, 2023 1:54 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

really hard to feel sympathetic tbh

state farm is our home insurer in CA. we're going to rent our place out (joining the landlord class), so i called our agent there to switch it to landlord insurance last month and they said "no, we're not doing any new policies insuring residential structures in CA, can't tell you why, but you'll see in a couple of weeks". haha.

what do they know?!

caek - you would probably want to contact CA Fair Plan - I mean, if you want to make sure you have insurance and the regular companies are denying you?

fire insurance is earthquake insurance now

(Though of course you won't even get a mortgage without fire insurance)

I've read that one reason housing prices haven't gone down despite the rise in interest rates is that the recession hasn't started yet - people aren't losing their jobs and being forced to sell their houses in firesales like in 2008. so, it's good because people with houses are keeping their jobs and not getting evicted by the banks, but it's bad because people who don't have houses yet all of a sudden are finding it much more expensive to buy

― 龜, Wednesday, May 24, 2023 1:34 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

So you have really low inventory which is basically holding prices up a lot, sometimes creating bidding wars even though interest rates have increased so much. The conforming mortgage level has basically increased 50% over the course of three years (from around $500k to $740k now).

It is a very unusual dynamic.

― horizontal, Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:52 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

right. there's this sense that prices should be down (via 7% mortgage rates), but apparent prices (well, zestimates) are being held up by a lack of homes on the market (i.e. comps). could change

What happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas. https://t.co/gZHRbsNxV9

— Aaron Layman (@dfwaaronlayman) June 5, 2023