Godzilla: Male or Female?

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I'm 95% sure I've seen Godzilla lay eggs, which would, y'know, ergo female. Howev, in Godzilla 2000, I think that Godzilla is tricked by a Bugs Bunny-style robot Lady Lizard (or maybe I'm just thinking of Bugs Bunny and projecting?).
Has anyone even Godzilla's 'nads?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

is this a deleted scene from mallrats

_, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

No. I'm serious. I'm doing a study of gender and robots, and would like to include, at least in passing, mention of Mechagodzilla, who I believe is a "male" despite evidence to suggest Godzilla is a female.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Given that Godzilla was essentially created as a sideeffect of cold war era nuclear testing, I think its entirely plausible that it Godzilla is neither male nor female, but shares sexual charaterics of both.

As for Mechagodzilla, its a robot designed without sexuality in mind. However, I'm pretty sure one of the later designed Mechgodzillas was built around Godzilla's skeleton, and so it would probably be considered intersexual as well.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, you see, that's part of my argument. Robots have no use for gender, outside of serving anthropomorphial tendencies, since gender, biologically, is for the purpose of reproduction, and if robots reproduce, they cease to be robots.
YET, in fiction, at least, robots are overwhelmingly assigned gender, and generally the male one.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link


_, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Many human mechanical creations are assigned gender and otherwise anthropomorphized, and its no surprise that human-like robots are assigned gender as well. The closer something is to human -- whether its a monkey, a steamship, or mechagodzilla -- the more likely we are to want to relate to it on human terms (which includes thinking of it as having gender and all that comes with it).

There are proportionally few robots, fictional or otherwise, that are assigned sex, even though nearly all of them are assigned some kind of gender. There is a difference between the explicit sexuality of assigning a robot sex, rather than the less direct act of assigning a robot gender. Robots themselves may be indifferent to all this sort of thing, but I think giving gender to robots is hugely important to the people around them.

I also disagree with your statement that self-reproducing robots cease to be robots. Self-reproducing robots are still robots, they are just scary.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, we are nerding out here, and you are probably cooler than us. Fuck off then.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, there's a difference between nerding out and making a movie about nerding out.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure whether this clears it up or just RAISES MOER QUESTIONS

from http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/godzilla-98.html :

Philosophical Issue #2:

Is Godzilla a male or a female?

This is a bit of a thorny issue. All of the characters in Godzilla refer to Godzilla as "he," for no particularly good reason. On the other hand, Godzilla lays eggs. So which is he? Or she?

Now we aren't experts on what kind of bait and tackle a lizard might have (if we were Dave Barry, right now we'd say, "Wouldn't Lizard's Bait and Tackle a great name for a band?"), and frankly we're not willing to do the field research. However, we do live in central Florida, where lizards are pretty darn easy to find. The following is a fictional conversation that might result from an attempt to determine lizard sexuality:

Chris: Hey! I caught one!
Scott: Is it a boy or a girl?
Chris: I don't know. It just peed on me.
Scott: Did it have the toilet seat up?

That being said, we understand that male lizards impregnate females internally, so we should expect male lizards to have some sort of organ in that area. Put another away, lizard size does matter. In the movie, Godzilla did seem to have some sort lump in that area. Moreover, our trusty Godzilla action figure would seem to bear this out:

Our Godzilla figure.

It's a boy!

So how did a male creature become pregnant? As bizarre as it sounds, sex is not quite so fixed among other creatures in Earth's biosphere. We're not used to this because we humans don't change sex spontaneously, unless we happen to be Michael Jackson. However, we were assured by a scientist who saw Godzilla that under extreme conditions some reptiles can become pregnant without the help of another member of their species. As we write this we couldn't verify that any species of male reptiles could become pregnant, but that would also not be unknown among higher vertebrates. Certain fish can change sex spontaneously. One little burst of hormone and Boom!, dude looks like a lady. Granted, in all these cases, the species in question has to have the attributes of both sexes built in when born. So in that case, is the creature really "he" or "she"? If we assume that this is the case with Godzilla, isn't whether we call him "he" or not really just a matter of semantics?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

YET, in fiction, at least, robots are overwhelmingly assigned gender, and generally the male one.

I think this is a really interesting point. When giving gender to less sophisticated machines, such as ships and cars and printing presses, English speakers tend give the feminine (ex: "she's a fine ship, ain't she captain!"). Giving male gender to sophisticated robots seems to suggest some kind of male-female power dynamic -- the more intelligent/powerful/human a creation is, the more male it is.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Seahorses, ahoy!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Slipper shells switch sex. If you're a guy slipper shell and another guy climbs on top of you, you turn into a girl slipper shell. And then if another climbs on, the one under HIM switches. You see these stacks of them washed up after storms here, cruelly ripped from the rocks right in the middle of the best time of their life.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Slipper shells switch sex

Tongue-twister time!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Not too loud, you cubicle folks.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I always thought she's had cosmetic help, with the kohl rimmed eyes and ruby red mouth. She is one pretty lizard.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Or maybe I'm just thinking of the toy godzilla I had as a child, the screen godzilla is not as pretty.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Uh oh. It may be time to revive the Lizard Lust thread.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

godzilla in the 1998 matthew broderick masterpiece was a hermaphrodite...but i guess that doesn't count.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

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