taking sides: Livejournal v ILXor

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i hate avatars - especially multiple ones
i hate branching threads
i love thread revival

i like the idea of networks of friends/interests instead of monolithic "boards"

3 v 1 to ILX

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Goth vs Indie

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

You can have a livejournal without being a goth. I was.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Livejournal? I only read:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/ohnotheydidnt/

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(although, I have to admit, the main reason I had one was to read the friends-only entries of my more-gothic friends)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i think i'm the only person on livejournal with no goths on my friendslist.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the idea of being able to see the latest stuff from the people I choose to see, and of limiting my own posts to those people - i.e. email without the hassle.

Other than that, Alan OTM.

So 3 to 2.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh wait

I hate the fucking ridiculous auto-threading after 50 posts rule.

I love polls.

so 4 to 3.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

That autothreading is REALLY annoying. I have a horrible suspicion that it was introduced as a way of stopping server overload in the early days and never got removed.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

what's autothreading?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

If a post gets more than fifty comments, it starts displaying links to the comments instead of the comments themselves.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

LET ME AT THAT CODE

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

actually. no don't. please. what a joke

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

99.99% of blogs/journals are boring. The interaction makes ILX better.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

B-but if it wasn't for that, the internet would TOPPLE every time Starry posts!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The interaction makes Livejournal better as well.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The daft thing is that it rolls stuff over onto the next page anyway if you have enough top level comments. Why they felt the need to do both is beyond me.

I'm not actually that bothered about the multi-threading of LJ. Growing up browsing USENET with trn has left it feeling perfectly natural. Some sort of new answers capability is u+k tho.

Plus, yeah, the interaction is what LJ is all about. The blogging aspect is very much secondary for most of the people I know.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

it's my totally unproven impression that LJ is more of an 'evening thing', and i'm usually just an office hours ILX0R. so ILX, obv.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah LJ is more than a blog - it sort of used blogs as a replacement for ilx's "boards", but it allows you to weave multiple blogs together as your own personal board

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

My LJ is a specific blog project and a personal friends faff thing both at once, and the 'community' I started feels like a much looser ILX board.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe the few livejournals I've spent time on just aren't very heavily trafficked.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

but it allows you to weave multiple blogs together as your own personal board

i think this is the only reason i would get one LJ.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I dislike LJ like I dislike MySpace. Just one more thing for me to feel excluded from.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I also dislike MySpace and LJ but of course I have an account for both.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Myspace is just horrible tho. Like a load of geocities web pages mangled together with some weak interaction built in.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

and hoochies

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to sign up for MySpace because otherwise I couldn't even view stuff for my own band. I didn't pick MySpace or make the site and I don't even known half the people who are our "friends".

LiveJournals is just so... I don't know. I mean, everything is cliquey. But formalising cliques in that way...

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not formalising them though! I mean, much less so than having a private email group is.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the thing about private email groups is that they are more private - they're stored on your computer or mailserver whatever. LiveJournal just smacks to me of "let's do this private thing in a public space". But whatever.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX >>>>> Livejournal, but Livejournal does have way more interaction going on than Blogger (even if it's not as hip).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not like that though, really! I mean, I have the entries I am fine with everyone seeing and the ones I'm not - I simply can't see what's wrong with that.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Private thoughts in public places = HI DERE ILX

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, LJ communities are better than an open house public msg board for such things surely.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Then again, I have a problematic relationship with blogging to start with.

I think that in general, you shouldn't write anything on a blog that you wouldn't want the person you're writing about to read. But then again, I'm very open about a lot of things in my life, perhaps moreso than others are comfortable. Because I talk about stuff on my blog, and then get people saying "I'm uncomfortable with your talking about me on your blog!" - and half the time I'm not even talking about the person who says that they're uncomfortable!

But whatever, that's nothing to do with LJ. I hate it because it's cliquey and also because it violates my inherent Groucho Marx rule. (I wouldn't belong to a LiveJournal community that would have me.) Unless of course I couldn't get to read slashfanfict otherwise.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

lj 'cliques' aren't exclusionary though, all an 'outsider' has to do is get one lj and friend people. most of the time it's a place where cliques overlap and mutate, ie v few people are all in the same clique and no others.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

* No avatars
* No signature lines
* No number of posts made since whenever
* No auto-threading
* No silly wordfilters
* No pop-ups
* The ink is black, the page is white
* I like monoliths

As far as appearance is concerned, I have found no other message board that comes close to this one.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

xp, that means lj is PERFECT for you kate because of f-locking and custom filters etc etc! you can control EXACTLY who gets to see what.

of course i've seen this lead to scary mentalist internet drama but it's important not to take these things too seriously innit.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, LJ communities are better than an open house public msg board for such things surely.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! My thoughts are completely the opposite on this regard.

It's like the difference between "let's pretend it's private when it's public" and "let's pretend it's public when it's private" (though I'm not sure which way around it is).

Anyway, I'm going to stop discussing this now because it's pretty clear this is one of those basic fundamental philosophical differences. Like Dutch curtains or something.

get one lj and friend people.

Exactly. Why should I have to sign up for ONE MORE F*CKING THING on the interweb.

Anyway. I'm going to stop posting to this thread now.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

If I'm bitching about people I save it for email. The friends-locked stuff on my LJ is almost all stuff which would be incredibly boring to anyone who doesn't know me, and is probably for most who do. Oh, and the occasional "FUCKING ILX" steam let-off on a bad moderating day.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(another LJ advantage - I didn't help start it so I don't feel responsible for its 'quirks')

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

One more thing because it was an x-post...

xp, that means lj is PERFECT for you kate because of f-locking and custom filters etc etc! you can control EXACTLY who gets to see what.

If I felt the need to do that, I would not post it on the internet in the first place - that's what private email and my DIARY is for.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate enjoys accusing people of "stalking" her online journal.

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

If I felt the need to do that, I would not post it on the internet in the first place - that's what private email and my DIARY is for.

What about the I Don't Mind Everything board?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we not turn this thread into Kate's Netiquette C/D pls?

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh no, that was just a place where I could ban JW at will.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I have rejected or been rejected by all the ladiez on ILX. Not so LiveJournal. The answer is clear.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX requires no effort and is random, and therefore wins easily.

I dunno, on LJ there's this whole should I feel bad about reading this? do I know this person well enough to intrude like this? thing going on. Well, for me, probably not you.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I just can't fathom the perception that LJ communities are somehow MORE of a vanity show than personal blogs OR public msg boards, though perhaps nobody was really implying that. The illusional aspect of them re privacy/public (who's gonna read your LJ other than your friends anyway? the fact that they're public becomes almost irrelevant - they're just public because they can be, and of course it's advantageous from a technical point of view because they can be updated anywhere) doesn't seem to have any bearing re pros and cons of cliqueyness.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Jel that is kind of an issue with me too! In some ways I'm too reticent for it.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I was a bit like that too to start with. Give it another few months or so and a big enough friends list and it will cease to matter so much.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

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Marcello doesn't know how to post avatars so I doubt he is bothered about linking to funny pictures on a blog for one.

Who doesn't love a little bit of glitter tossed around hither and thither though?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I did register w/my space for my music duo, I haven't got a fucking clue what to do w/it. We do have one "friend" though!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy who started My Space?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

It would be ~~annoying~~ funny if letters were like ILE, though. I mean, I'd get the electricity bill on Tuesday, and by Friday, I'd have another three parody utility bills.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah but Ken you're not really following me. My point is that MC has been asked to write this blog for the person. Why a blog I don't know, it's not very private and who's to say what it's for. I don't care about the content I just think that because a request has been made and it's a one off well why not email it? Why put it up in the public domain for chance discovery?

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The guy who started My Space?

"Tom", you mean! No, apart from "Tom". Take a look:

http://www.myspace.com/vietgrove

I really should write something to put in it. Or maybe I could start whining incessantly on the blog bit.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

anyone want to be my LJ FRIEND???

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 13 October 2005 11:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I just signed up for a livejournal account so I could read a friend's LJ. I don't know though, I probably won't post anything. When I think of LJ I think of self indulgent, adolescent, goth whining. Even though many people's LJs are not like that at all, it's hard to shake that stereotype.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I use my LJ to bash goths. Problem is, they love it.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

rhodri is not a goth ;-)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Rubbish, I've only ever seen him wearing black. Don't let all that Hall and Oates propaganda fool you.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

xxxxxpost yeah but you might not care much about the content but i assume marcello and his friend might!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i have a livejournal BUT AS IF I AM GOING TO TELL ILX ABOUT IT

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i started a LJ once, so i could comment on carmodys, or was it, tom mays lj. i havent done anything on it since

i looked and i could see the boat drifting over the horizon

― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Ken, that is why I can't understand the need to put it on a public forum.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

When I think of LJ I think of self indulgent, adolescent, goth whining. Even though many people's LJs are not like that at all, it's hard to shake that stereotype.

Yeah, that's pretty much been my impression, with the same stereotypes at play.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=jel_bugle

Any goddamn chance to write a list!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

-you can tag your LJ unindexable-

how do you do this?

On the Edit Information page, just tick the box for "Minimize your journal's inclusion in search engine results."

― Lesley v2, Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

livejournal is more emo than goth I thought?

― Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a fair question and the answer is I want to make it a little more special than just a normal email. Even with a standard blog design it would look as though some effort went into it (and it is going to be far too long in terms of content for a standard email or Hotmail attachment).

The content is not particularly person-specific, and I'm not bothered about people randomly stumbling across it on Google - it's simply that I would like this person to see it first (and if anyone else likes it it's a bonus yes I know) 'cos basically it is for her.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 October 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Right so. That clears that up. I still like the idea of glitter etc but in this cold technological age what hope is there for fairy magic?

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

mandee, how can i be yr lj friend if i don't know yr namey thing?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 14 October 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.livejournal.com/users/henry_rollins/

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 14 October 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I have met no goths on Livejournal, despite the fact that my interests include Bauhaus and Fields of the Nephilim.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 14 October 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

goths are kind of fat

― terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.livejournal.com/users/henry_rollins/

im going to troll da fuck outta that gayboy

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Saturday, 15 October 2005 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I just deleted my livejournal.

http://hudsonphoto.com/images/Telluride.jpg

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

the internet wayback machine will see about that

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i've had my livejournal for like years (i knew it before it was famous etc) but i ain't friending any of you losers (or any other losers). it's just my blog yo.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

at least put all your photos on your flickr

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Livejournal consists of 90% 18-year-old Americans, 8% Singaporeans of an indiscriminate age and the rest, including me *plug*

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

http://community.livejournal.com/gothic_babes/

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i only started using flickr like since three days ago (i've had it for a year but only had one photo on it)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. I've been on LJ for almost two years now and haven't run into any of the stereotypes you guys seem to be having trouble with. Maybe LJ is more like a big city, and there's areas where you're sure to find trouble but other areas that are fairly laid-back and placid.

I don't believe I know a single goth or emo on LJ. If I do, that's not the primary way they define themselves online.

This is not meant to be argumentative, btw, simply to point out possible observer bias - one tends to find what one is looking for.

― Hey Jude, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The last thing I'm looking for is goth or emo types, but I encounter loads and loads of them on LJ.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Is anyone having log in problems today? I can't stay logged in, and am therefore missing any friends-only special YSI treats.

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been tricky like that all day. Apparently people with underscores in their name can't log on nohow.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I have underscores and can.

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

It logs me out most every time I look away for a moment, yeah. Very annoying.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The underscore and na,e change thing

Basically, there's a cookie security flaw in Firefox that means domains that have domain.com/user/blah subdirectories were somehow vulnerable (I dont know the tech details). LJ had suffered from some hacking that meant some user's accounts were logged into maliciously to cause shenanigans.

To prevent this and further problems they've swapped from subdirectories to subdomains. However due to the fact DNS standards don't allow leading underscores they've had to not let any users with a leading undercorre (eg __freddy) to use a subdomain. They instead get some longwinded workaround, and so were offered free rename tokens. Paid up users got offered useless phone posts (which no one but americans can even use) as a gesture of good faith compromise.

The shit's now hit the fan and people are whinging all over the place.

Hours of amusement reading those news comments.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

err I thought this was the myspace thread////////

anyway, its just some cross site scripting BULLSHIT

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a paid acct anyway so had a subdomain already.

God knows why anyone would want to haxxor a fat emogoth teen's LJ in the first place :/

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

god knows why anyone would pay for livejournal to begin with!

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh, I like to support them, they dont have ads of any kind, which is a rarity these days. I'd like it to stay that way.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

some guy who had a crush on me bought me three or six months "anonymously" once. that was funny. and kind of weird.

― tehresa (tehresa), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

community.livejournal.com/debate/ is quite good.

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

goths are kind of fat
― terry lennox. (gareth)

― velko, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 08:43 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^settin' ilx trends

― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 26 November 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-6x8bHWAAEvu9_.jpg

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

Well, I am old.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 4 May 2017 03:36 (six years ago) link

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