Sequels that are better than the first ones.

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'Gremlins' is nowhere near as good as 'Gremlins 2'.

rainy, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Alien is better than Aliens, despite how popular opinion may have it.

DG, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sequelitiis

helenfordsdale, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Drunken Master II

Honda, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Isn't The Godfather the only one that breaks the 'first is best' rule?

Ally C, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

gremlins two is a nightmnare. the composer is in the mocvie too!

mike hanle y, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

funnily enough when i saw the thread's title i was gonna come right in there with gremlins two. besides that, jacky chan's armour of the gods part two (seen) is supposedly better than part one (not seen). it would certainly have to be pretty good. jet li's legend of fong sai yuk (spelling?!) part two is awesome, but again i haven't seen the first part in order to confirm rumours it follows this trend.

regarding alien/s. well firstly alien3 and resurrection suck ass, so to speak, so sequelitis is definitely evident. but, although i really rate alien, think it breaks new ground, love watching it etc. i can't stop myself from loving aliens more. yes yes, i know it is a gung ho action flick and loses to a certain extent the tension and suspense of its predecessor, but damn it - and this goes doubly for the special edition - it is just soooo entertaining. i think that it has aged slightly better as well, but it has a good head start. i don't only measure the achievments of a film by how much i enjoy it of course, but as for which is the better film....

another james, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Empire Strikes Back!

james, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

naa, thought about it, but... y'see empire's good, but lacks the pace and fairytale perfection of a new hope. the large thingy which lives on the asteroid sets a dangerously silly precedent which spawned the ever bigger fish sillyness of phantom. ruins it for me. i can't deny though it is an incredible follow up and is worthy of note.

three colours anyone? do they even count as sequels, as the whole affair was premeditated.

another james, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Back to the Future just gets better and better. As does Short Curcuit. I was absent for Home Alone 3 yesterday, leaving a hole in my research.

Graham, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Alien and Alien3 = ACE
Aliens = alright, but ACE when you're 12
Alien Ressurection = could have been ACE but was, as Starry would have it, RUBBIDGE.

DG, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mad Max 2, (or 'The Road Warrior' in the USA) is far better than MM, and quite possibly the best action movie ever, though if you're applying to film school, don't write an extended essay about its obvious similarities to the Leone/Eastwood films, as you won't get in (at least a friend of mine didn't). Wayne's World 2 is better than the first too, though that doesn't actually make it high art or anything.

Snotty Moore, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I thought that both sequels to Star Wars were better then the original, Return Of The Jedi being the best. Cue hordes of people who've seen 'Clerks' moaning about Ewoks etc...

DG, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Ewoks were shit though. Just cos Kevin Smith agrees with me on this point doesn't make it automatically wrong.

RickyT, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dg, following your threat of ruckus i am disapointed. hmm, i wish i could make that word look right, i hate spelling. anyway, aliens is cool after the age of twelve, thank you very much. i take back what i said about alien3, as actually it has some decent atmosphere, and some pretty exciting scenes, but really still isn't in the same league as the first two. resurrection is still lame. and no i don't want to shag the queen mother.

another james, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

good lord, you like ewoks to!! is there no end to this madness?!

how on earth could i have forgotten the road warrior! blinding film. i love thunderdome to, but i think mm is better. doesn't mean that i don't watch thunderdome more often though, a seriously quotable film.

another james, Tuesday, 25 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Grease 2 was far better than Grease.

Mandee, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

nobody has mentioned that peak of cinematography, Evil Dead II?

Dare, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I prefer the part two of 'the godfather' to the part one.

robert de niro running along rooftops and wrapping guns in towels.

I also prefer 'the empire strikes back' to 'a new hope'.

the new old one looks awful. or. not good. prequels can work. I should think. but.

richard john gillanders, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Grease too didnt have Olivia in Pleather though!

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Grease 2 DID have Michelle Pfeiffer singing really great songs - "I wanna bowl tonight" "I wanna cool rider"; "reproduction" -- I have the soundtrack, oh yes I do.

Mandee, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

technically, Star Wars: A New Hope is now a sequel.

james, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

terminator 2

elizabeth anne marjorie, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I also think Terminator II was better. I preferred Aliens to Alien. Predator 2 rocked my world despite the lack of Arni.

toraneko, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'A Very Brady Sequel' = mucho better than 'The Brady Bunch Movie'.
'Wrath of Kahn', 'French Connection II', 'Sweeny II', 'Batman Returns'.
There aren't many though. I prefer the original 'Alien' and 'Terminator' movies and it's a toss up between the 1st and 2nd 'Godfather' movies. Yeah, maybe 'Mad Max II'.

DavidM, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Addams Family Values'! Of course!

DavidM, Sunday, 30 December 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Batman Returns, The Empire Strikes Back, The Godfather Part II, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn,

TAW, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Some idiot on BBC London was sneering about Channel 5's Easter offering being Gremlins 2. As rainy says, it is far superior to the original. He'd probably never watched it.

N., Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(or maybe he realised that a whole sequence of Gremlins 2 won't work on telly?)

Firsted: Curse of the Cat People, For A Few Dollars More, Desperado, Toy Story 2
Seconded: Addams Family Values
Thirded: T2, um Gremlins 2

Jeff W, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What happened to the rumored Goonies 2, with all the same actors playing the same characters 20 years later living in New York and going through the same treasure map schtick? Or am I hallucinating from too many DRUKQS.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

off form to answer one's own question, what?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dare's OTM: Evil Dead 2 over Evil Dead (I also think Army of Darkness beats Evil Dead 2, but he neglected to mention that one :-( ). I also liked Rush Hour 2 more then Rush Hour and expect Rush Hour 3 (they'd be downright nutty not to make it) to be even better.

Vinnie, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I did say peak of cinematography. Army of Darkness has some great shots (the chainsaw-jump, the arrow shot, the shotgun soliloquy, and the S-Mart battle), but you can't beat all the incredible scenes in Evil Dead II, from corpse pirouette to head-in-the-vice ("you swore we'd always be together!"), from "who's laughing now?!!" to "A Farewell to Arms," the whole sequence from when he's flung out of the car to being chased through the house ...

.. the spirits' statement of purpose ("We are the creatures that were, and shall be again ... ")

... and of course the Epic challenge ("Let's carve ourselves a witch") ..

sigh. it's dreamy.

Dare, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i second wayne's world 2

minna, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

SCARFACE!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, 30 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Terminator 2 was a good flick, but I hesitate to compare it to Termintator. I'd say Police Academy 2 (First Assignment?) was funny as opposed to the other 12 or 13. While Babe 2 may not have been as great as Babe, it was a good film none the less.

Mr Noodles, Sunday, 31 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I was playing around with Random Thread fun and stumbled across this thread. Shockingly no one had mentioned any of the James Bond movies in here, so I'm doing so.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rocky III is better than Rocky II

H.Mann, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Bride of Frankenstein > Frankenstein.

Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster > Godzilla vs. King Kong.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Babe 2 slaughters the original. It has a DROWNING DOG.

More recently Blade 2 splattered the first one with that super vamp thing Joss Whedon copied.

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rocky III is better than Rocky II

I agree with this. II is exactly the same as I, except he wins. I like III, when he's taken over Hulk Hogan's knee like a pansy.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I also like IV, when he solves the cold war by running in the snow.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And V, that's a classic, because, because...I'm stuck.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sure the cinematography was very excellent.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It was a bit like 'Mean Streets', but really really shit.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

And Adrian's a terrific name for a girl. She was in Rocky V more than any of the others. Except Rocky I. No, fuck that, she was in V more than I. That's the answer.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Who here isn't looking forward to Rocky VI?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rocky VI: The Parkinson's Years

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" beats the pants off of "Temple of Doom" and I like it even better than "Raiders of the Lost Ark." But that's probably because of Sean Connery.

And I second the vote for the Bond films.

How about the Benji movies?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lethal Weapon II was almost better than Lethal Weapon. If it weren't for Riggs being such a dark, improbably heroic character in the original movie, the first sequel would've been the better movie.

And damn, now I'm craving a sushi dinner followed by a viewing of Lethal Weapon II.

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 03:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Capshaw finds variants in her one-dimensional character (I like Marion but like I wrote earlier she gets too much credit).

the film god Riccardo Montalbahn, torturing the captured Trek crewmembers, commandeering his Diamond Dogs-style space pirates.

lol @ Diamond Dogs

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:47 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Indy is plundering his hemisphere's religious past in the 1st and 3rd movies. he's a cultural tourist for the others.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I like Montalban's explanation but he softsoaps Khan by attributing his obsession to the death of his wife. Khan hates Kirk, period, and he loves it, it gives his life meaning and purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxSzt49cYw

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

it is crazy that they are never onscreen at the same time, the whole thing is done by them talking over video screens. it really befits their the OTT performances. maybe this adds a layer of menace to it all...?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

and Kirk is so unworthy of the hate, in the same way a man or woman we used to love now looks...pathetic.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (four weeks ago) Permalink

it should be added that it's also a very, very good idea for a movie. i can't think of a better tie-in to a previous storyline, the way it picks up the thread.

it also reminds how bereft of ideas Star Trek: Into Darkness is.

nomar, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:10 (four weeks ago) Permalink

meaning a storyline that has been seemingly long-discarded and forgotten, it's just such a clever device albeit very simple on the surface.

nomar, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:12 (four weeks ago) Permalink

TOS is littered with those kinds of potential plot threads

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

so many episodes where they come down and fuck up a planet and then are like "gee, who knows what this place will be like 100 years from now?" or similar

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

and Kirk is so unworthy of the hate

the cast of TOS might disagree

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think Raiders is the better movie, but in many ways Temple of Doom feels like the movie that Spielberg and Lucas didn't have the nerve to make the first time around. It's a direct homage to the B serials they're sending up, with all of the racism and tastelessness in tact. I mean, Spielberg ends Raiders with a Citizen Kane homage, fer Christ's sakes!

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Exorcist 2 fucking sucks the only good thing about it is the Morricone theme and the Snakefinger cover of the Morricone theme. I like the song in Shock Treatment better than Rocky Horror but I'm sure that's been mention itt.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

songs*

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:17 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Boorman seems to think it sucks too but the visual excess in the thing is a wonder to behold, not to mention the Burton excess. I won't defend it as a good movie.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:22 (four weeks ago) Permalink

as i pointed out upon re-seeing it in a theater this past summer, Raiders swipes two of its biggest stunts from Stagecoach and doesn't really improve on em.

As for Godfather II, Coppola said his m.o. was "I wanted to punish Michael," so I think it plays better with Catholics.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:27 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Raiders swipes two of its biggest stunts from Stagecoach

I assume the dragged-under-the-moving-car one is one, what's the other?

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:29 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Indy jumps from one vehicle to another in that same chase, I think? or is it horses? anyway it's much like Yakima Canutt (doubling for John Wayne) sequentially leaping horses.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:38 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah but Nazis

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:39 (four weeks ago) Permalink

If you're gonna steal, steal from the best, etc.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Did not realize Nazis directed Stagecoach, tbh.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:58 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Raiders is alright, but as with several Coen Bros films most impresses people who never saw the antecedents.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 October 2017 19:03 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Nah, I love Stagecoach and Raiders for other reasons, and besides Spielberg pays tribute to Ford by taking what he learned and putting it in a new context. It's true that the discovery of the Ark and the final Ark-going-apeshit scene have a grandeur missing in the other Indy films. And Belloq's drunk scenes with Marion compensate for his being a rather pallid villain.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2017 20:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think I'd call Aparajito the best film sequel. Not that it's better than the first or third films, but it stands on its own as a work of art and probably makes perfect sense seen in isolation from the others.

jmm, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:18 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Boxer's Omen is way way way better than Bewitched.

I like Once Upon A Time In China 2 and 3 better than the original.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Exorcist 3 >>>>>>> Exorcist 2 btw

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:39 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Well, yeah.

I'd have much more time for an 'Exorcist 3 > Exorcist 1' argument than the insane 'Exorcist 2 > Exorcist 1 (or much of anything)' argument Alfred has put forward.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:44 (four weeks ago) Permalink

On the horror front, I have basically zero time for any of the Child's Play films with 'Child's Play' in the title but I think all of the subsequent Child's Play films with 'Chucky' in the title are good-to-great.

The Wetting Planner (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I was 13 when Raiders came out, I hadn't seen the antecedents!

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 23 October 2017 21:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

well Morbius was 13 when Stagecoach came out, so you can understand why he feels this way

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 21:59 (four weeks ago) Permalink

child’s play 2 is great but otherwise you’re right


I was only skimming these posts and I read this but in my mind I got it mixed up with problem child

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:08 (four weeks ago) Permalink

(& I was like yep that looks like a brad opinion, checks out)

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Rocky iii ✓✓✓✓✓✓✓

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 23 October 2017 22:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Wrath Of Khan was my first ever in-cinema experience of looking at my watch at the end credits and being flatly baffled as to where 2 hours had gone. i don't just mean 'oh it flies by!' i mean literally dumbstruck and perplexed that time could even move so fast. i was only a kid but even today it seems to have incredible pacing, i think partly it's because Khan actually takes a time (half an hour maybe?) before he even rocks up. it's a *masterpiece* of structure.

piscesx, Monday, 23 October 2017 22:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Iron Man 3 is much more fun the first two, how did it get to be divisive? Is it the Kingsley stuff?

I think a lot of people have issue with that plot twist, yeah - I personally thought it was great, the idea of a 'created enemy' fascinates me and is something I can totally buy if it is done well (which I thought it was here).
In this case, there will always be comic book fans who are disappointed that they didn't get the villain closer to the source material. (For those, there's a must-see one-shot special with Kingsley called All Hail The King, which is included on the Thor 2 Blu-ray.)
But I think a problem for many was that Guy Pearce's Aldritch Killian wasn't an impressive enough main villain.

I've also more than once heard people having problems with the final battle, for being too CGI-heavy and/or because Tony couldn't get access to his armor for so long, his entire house is destroyed and then is suddenly and conveniently able to call on an armor-army from an undamaged storage section in the end. But he needed to re-establish contact beforehand & the storage was pretty much a vault, I personally don't doubt that he couldn't have done so earlier.

I love the movie and I personally even prefer it over the first Iron Man, I've seen acclaim, but I know I've often seen people list it low as well.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 06:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Problem Child 2 probably is the best of the trilogy btw

take it to the controversial opinions thread buddy

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 12:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Amazon recently recommended me the Home Alone box set. There are five of those films but I was only aware of three.

https://i.imgur.com/zrnhBiV.png

pplains, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:26 (four weeks ago) Permalink

daniel dild-shoeis to thread

clammy marinara (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:35 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

PB2 is the one where Junior says "Can we go home now? These people are dicks" and so is clearly the best

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:54 (four weeks ago) Permalink

also I can't remember which one they overkill the "Bad to the Bone" hook in, that's p great

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 13:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

also Gilbert Gottfried's character becomes a maniacal dentist

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:01 (four weeks ago) Permalink

After the Thin Man

I must protest; the Thin Man franchise is my go-to example of diminishing returns.

Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

The second one is the best iirc

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I've never seen any of the Problem Child films (and probably never will), but the episode of Gilbert Gottfried's podcast with the writers of those films (Scott Alexander and
Larry Karaszewski--who would go on to write Ed Wood and The People vs. Larry Flynt) has some great behinds-the-scenes stuff on how the second film in that series, in particular, came to be.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 14:46 (four weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

gremlins 2

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:45 (one week ago) Permalink

yes for real even though Gremlins 1 is a classic Gremlins 2 is so good

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:04 (one week ago) Permalink


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