drinking and writing: good or bad?

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Not this kind of thing, but "serious" writing. I say good.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

also possibly bad.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

F. Scott Fitzgerald sez - CLASSIC!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Hemingway said total classic too.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i prefer drinking and writhing.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Raymond Carver.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

good, but usually not simultaneously

see: heroin and jazz

M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I find a pellegrino and slice of lime goes well with the artistic impulse.

Jacqui Pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

rum n orange is good too but too sleepyish

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

bad.

hungover & writing = either unbelievably worse or the greatest thing man has ever known. It depends on you and the weather. But drinking and writing = always bad. I mean when I'm completely fucking frunkkked I write like it's 1779 and I'm a founding father but it's never, ever good. Lack of inhibitions = insipid "insights" which you weigh far too heavily, and you end up spending paragraphs, nay, essays on shit that only you, and by that I mean the fucked-up you, not the real person, care about enough to waste 1500 words on. It flows easy, but it's garbage.

Speaking from personal knowledge and well-documented experience,* drunken folks will tend to wax extremist in their views and spin fantastic forest-for-the-trees scenarios from the smallest anecdote of how they listened to such-and-such album while reading the timeline of such-and-such historical occurence(s), or watched such-and-such film immediately after reading such-and-such verse from some odd text that purports to deal with the essential challenges of being human etc.**

You should avoid doing any actual writing while drunk. Actual writing means anything that is to be recorded permanently outside of your own records - anything that you cannot delete the morning after and be sure that no-one else read, or can prove they read. That would be mailing list responses, messageboard posts, emails/txtmsgs to friends, colleagues, spouses, children, pets, what have you.

I suggest as an (possibly highly productive) alternative that you take short notes on the essential ideas you have, and review them 2-3 days after the given episode of intoxication. That way you have enough insulation from said episode that you don't immediately dismiss all of it as horrific exposition of your inner imbecile, and you may have the opportunity to consider said ideas in a context bolstered by the more accurate calibration of senses, as well as your logical faculties.***


* I almost started a whole blog dedicated to my idea of "First of all, be neighbourly" and the idea of searching each others' bags on subway rides in the (late) wake of the London tube bombings. I have since clicked "delete this blog" so I suppose "well documented" is a push, in that instance.

** Transposition and subtitution, yaya shabooh shoobah, watching two films in a row and realizing they are both takeoffs of The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus is not acceptable either.

*** NB, I am a bit tipsy at the mo.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 25 August 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

My best writing has come after staying awake for at least 24 hours, no drinking except for caffeine. And by "writing," I mean posting to ILX, obviously.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Tracer, wtf you at.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Burroughs who said "If you write stoned, edit sober. If you write sober, edit stoned"? I thought that was real deep when I was a teenaged stoner.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 25 August 2005 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, I am on the 5th floor of Chelsea market. That is why I am using so many commas. I just finished a cup of coffee, and there is no way I'm getting to sleep before 4am -- although my work here is almost done -- so my girlfriend is going to kill me, because she wants to get out of the house at, like, 9am and "take advantage of the day."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I desperately want to interpret that as "getting the day drunk and sleeping with it."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

well, I think you know my email, so wassup.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 25 August 2005 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to do a lot of writing, drunk, in the back of a horrible old man bar in Upstate NY. I would have thought it would crap, but I found it a few years ago, and it was actually hillarious. Just merciless - I was such a bitch in my late teens.

These days, it's all about the coffee.

I Dream Of Sleep (kate), Thursday, 25 August 2005 07:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to write these silly little record reviews, always a little or a lot wine drunk, and sometimes completely pissed off me head. Behold and lo I now have a whole load of unreadable shit to my name, just occasionally peppered with the odd inspired sentence or turn of phrase that I'm surprised I ever came up with.

David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Drinking and writing's fine, as long as you always remember not to press the send / submit button when you've finished.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 25 August 2005 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Bukowski ever write sober? I kinda doubt it...

angle of dateh, Thursday, 25 August 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Thing is, if you've got some wine in you while writing, if you write one good line, you'll think it's most sublimest achievement in western civilisation and subsequently just give in to complacent leisure. TOMBOT otm about the ludicrousness, but arguably the ludicrous stuff may be good stuff, i mean, if it gives you visceral pleasure, no matter how seemingly solipsistic.

, Thursday, 25 August 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

not quite creative writing but i cant write a job app at the moment without having a drink in the afternoon. i get too anxious. drinks the only thing that can calm my nerves. well unless someone can suggest something better.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

F. Scott Fitzgerald sez - CLASSIC!

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hemingway said total classic too.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Raymond Carver.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 25 August 2005 01:53 (4 years ago)

Fitzgerald = drank himself to death at age 44
Hemingway = committed suicide
Carver = alcholic, died age 50

Guess it depends what you mean by "good"...

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link


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