David Lynch - Classic or Dud

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Looked in the Films category for a discussion about him but suprisingly there doesn't seem to be one. So, Lynch, C or D?

Chris Lyons, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And is Mullholland Drive any good?

Chris Lyons, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to really like him, but now think he's really hit or miss. I went to see "Mulholland Drive" expecting to hate it, and by the end of the movie I did. By the next day I changed my mind and now I love it.

Sean, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm mildly diffident on the Drive, leaning towards loathing. Lynch is just too darn "quirky". Bullshit complaint, I know, but that's what I think, and I'm sticking to that.

David Raposa, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Nothing but love, so let's not talk about Dune, okay?

Nitsuh, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked blue velvet. mostly because I like ROy ORbison , but the whole movie is pretty good escept for the ending

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Absolute classic, since his first ever student films. His work with Alan Splet? on Eraserhead gave sound designers a whole new box of tricks. His editing and use of sound create almost visual poetry, playing with silence and darkness, it's refined the grammar of cinema, in my opinion. With the exception of 'Wild at Heart', which I just don't 'get', I'd recommend every film he's made.

K-reg, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why not talk Dune?

K-reg, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What's wrong with Blue Velvet's ending?

Justyn Dillingham, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

its a happy ending. i love david lynch films. yah a couple suck. but the good parts make up for all of it. hell mulholland drive makes up for dune tenfold.

chaki, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Lost Highway,
The Straight Story, Blue Velvet.
Twin Peaks? That's great too.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't he do Elephant Man too?

Wild At Heart is fantastic - reading the book might help if you don't get the movie. I have bits of dreams and real-life that seem to be directed by David Lynch. I'm not as sexy as Sherrilyn Fenn though, which is one of the many tradgedies of my life.

toraneko, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you sure the ending of Blue Velvet is happy? It always seemed important to me that the bird was fake, and that the acting in the last scene is even more stilted than normal. Something about how happiness is defined.

Dan I., Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Twin Peaks got so wayward, uresolved, sticking in the memory increasingly boringly. yet I can watch Mullholand Drive again and again.

with its Aussie soap stars, Mulholland Drive is like a lost episode, at least outdoingFire walk with Me me in episodic tension or edge (but to be fair, what can be expeced from a prequel)

Mulholland Drive is a great film for Lynch, yanking him out of his US weirdo cult niche and projecting world class ideas onto the world stage. I fail to see how it could stand a chance at BAFTA with Princess Ann on the board however (Oscars and Globes out-of-th-qn i assume).

His outsiderness, and his adoption finally by Cannes, like a Roman Polanski.

george gosset (gegoss), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 08:16 (sixteen years ago) link

dune: classic or dud would be interesting.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 08:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I would love to say that David Lynch is a genius, who knows maybe he is, but he's just not for me. I have seen some of his stuff & I know it's meant to be weird & make you think about it, but it's too much. Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, you can keep them both.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 09:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Amateurist I watched Dune a couple of years ago (at a Lynch all-nighter in Paris, no less) & I was quite surprised at how much I was LOVING it, at least until the mid-point of the second act or so when it completely disintegrated.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait - did David Lynch direct the OG Dune? Or are we talking about the recent redux? If we're talking about the OG I don't see how it could be anything other than KUHLASSICK.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait - did David Lynch direct the OG Dune?

Most certainly did -- his third film after Eraserhead and The Elephant Man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link

that movie really has some of the best production design ever. ever ever.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Factoid: Jodorowsky was originally scheduled to direct Dune, but his projected budget, among other things, prevented him from doing so.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link

good

jones (actual), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link

his fils can be classic or unclassic (straight story) or downright dud (wild at heart) but as a director and a persona he is never anything less than K-k-k-k-klassic!

Did anyone ever see that interview he did for scene by scene - i loved the bit where he's talking about "the eye of the duck" to describe the key scene in his films.

Also i highly recommend the book "Lynch on Lynch" - so much fun!

jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

wild at heart rules!

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I watched The Straight Story again recently and realized it might be one of my favorite of his films (as opposed to the first time I watched it, where my reaction could be summed up as such: "WTF?"). It's very touching, and about as involving as a film with so little "action" gets.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i would've liked it if he'd arrived at harry dean stanton's house in the first reel and they spent the rest of the picture hanging out on the porch

jones (actual), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

(same goes for Chris Isaak in Fire Walk with Me)

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Mulholland Drive is a great film for Lynch, yanking him out of his US weirdo cult niche and projecting world class ideas onto the world stage. I fail to see how it could stand a chance at BAFTA with Princess Ann on the board however (Oscars and Globes out-of-th-qn i assume).

Umm. This movie is two years old. Why are we speculating on its award chances?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link


i had heard a rumor that lucas wanted lynch to direct one of the movies in the original trilogy, my guess would be return of the jedi. anyone else heard this? fact/fiction? if lynch had done one they might've been good.

*waiting for backlash*

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

The ewoks would've drank coffee and there would've been creepy sax music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link


creepy sex music would've been good too.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link


i'm guessing the effects would've been worse too, if that's possible.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

yes lynch was supposed to direct return of the jedi, he turned it down and did dune instead.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Man, I might've actually liked a Star Wars movie. Wait, but I didn't like Dune. Oh well. I would've like to see have seen it done, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I love love love love Mulholland Drive.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Mulholland Dve, Elephant Man, Lost Hwy and Eraserhead are all great. Dune was shite (didnt Lynch have his name removed from it on re-release or something tho? Or am I confused). I wasn't a huge fan of Blue Velvet, and I never watched a second of Twin Peaks - I must be the only person in the world my age who hasn't!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, Lynch had his name removed from Dune. As I mentioned above, I really thing Mulholland Drive was a return for Lynch; I think it's great.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link

He had his name removed from the TV version, which did include a lot of extra footage that fanboy me appreciated (and which fleshed out the story a hell of a lot more readily). It was, however, a poor edit in technical terms, most notably with a complete hijacking of the musical score that made no sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link

only removed from the extended-for-TV version?

crosspost

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Dune is one of my favorite movies ever. Makes perfect sense if you read the book (and don't anybody come back with "it should stand on it's own" bs, etc.)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Makes perfect sense if you read the book

Yeah, quite right. I read the book a year before the movie came out so my timing was perfect there...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Btw, Amazon describes the TV version as being 'shorter'.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link

!?! Amazon is wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, I have both versions on DVD.

although, N. has had my copy of the cinema one for nearly a year, now.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link

It's now on my Netfilx queue since I haven't seen it in years. (and what are they doing recommending Cher Live to me?? Just because I rented The Eyes of Laura Mars?)

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

the recent TV Dune was unwatchable.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

you know the best bit of dune is when alicia witt sez "and how can this be? for he is the kwizzach hadarach!" and inexplicably pulls her bottom lip all the way across the side of her face on the 'be' or 'is', i forget which

cremaster's opulent mythboredom reminded me a lot of dune

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:23 (sixteen years ago) link

cremaster 2 most indebted, obv

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

but not to dune

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

to other suburban lynch

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I can think of 10 superior movies released in 1997.

was curious about this and looked up American films released in '97 and there's a lot of garbage but also:

Starship Troopers
Boogie Nights
Deconstructing Harry
Jackie Brown

and while that's not 10, those are some heavy hitters that are all better than LH imo (I'm sure others here would throw in Amistad or Fifth Element or Good Will Hunting or a handful of others)

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:34 (seven months ago) link

Mystery man is an early version of the cowboy from Mulholland dr and zabriskie in inland empire

I agree

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:34 (seven months ago) link

1997:

The Sweet Hereafter (Atom Egoyan)
Irma Vep (Olivier Assayas)
The Apostle (Robert Duvall)
Happy Together (Wong Kar-wai)
Jackie Brown (Quentin Tarantino)
Taste of Cherry (Abbas Kiarostami)
Grosse Pointe Blank (George Armitage)
The Wings of the Dove (Iain Softley)
The River (Tsai Ming-Liang)
Nil by Mouth (Gary Oldman)

HONORABLE MENTIONS: Boogie Nights (Paul Thomas Anderson), Hard Eight (Paul Thomas Anderson), L.A. Confidential (Curtis Hanson), The Daytrippers (Greg Mottola).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:35 (seven months ago) link

not a bad year by any stretch

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:38 (seven months ago) link

and I'll throw in Deconstructing Harry and Starship Troopers too

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

don't forget Radiohead - OK Computer

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:45 (seven months ago) link

lol, you trumped any smartass retort I might've made (was mulling over a Leprechaun in Space ref).

Sly Bradbury's The Marion Cobretti-cles (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 16:46 (seven months ago) link

My larger point was that Lost Highway and Good Burger are literally the only two 1997 movies anyone cares about nowadays.

Chris L, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:02 (seven months ago) link

In the reverse order you listed them, but yes.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:04 (seven months ago) link

brb gonna watch Tony Leung and Leslie Cheung have sex again

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:09 (seven months ago) link

1997 was a great year for flicks. Starship Troopers should have won best picture but for some reason it wasn't even nominated, i think maybe the screeners got lost in the mail.

omar little, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:12 (seven months ago) link

I love Lost Highway, think it's underrated, although it would benefit from shaving some of the endless scenes of him stumbling around long hallways near the end. Replaying that whole sequence along with the Rammstein tune is a bit much.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 17:52 (seven months ago) link

I didn't like it as much second time but I still prefer it to all those listed films that I've seen so far (even though Irma Vep may be better). The Bowie/road credit scenes completely knocked my socks off first time I seen it, even though not much is happening.

I love Robert Blake in this, especially the way he says "ask me". Booth is good, but I'd actually like to be Blake's character. Who wants to be Booth except guys who endlessly quote tough guy assholes in movies?
Has anyone here read Blake's autobiography Tales Of A Rascal: What I Did For Love? I've heard it's brilliant and quite dark itself.

I once read someone complain that Booth is simply a rehash of an earlier Hopper character.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:18 (seven months ago) link

Hopper once claimed that Booth is what Billy The Kid from Easy Rider would have become in the '80s had he not been (SPOILER) killed.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:53 (seven months ago) link

I know he got off on an acquittal but I can't enjoy LH anymore knowing Blake (or one of his goons) knocked off his wife.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:59 (seven months ago) link

I'd actually like to be Blake's character

really

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:02 (seven months ago) link

My favorite 1997 film is the relatively obscure Too Many Ways to Be No. 1, an early Milkyway joint. Probably the most echt-90s film I can think of too - Kieslowski/Tykwer-style alternate timelines, camerawork that wants to out-Doyle Chris Doyle, direct lifts from Takeshi Kitano (hey wasn't Fireworks also 1997?).

Second fave is Boogie Nights. Favorite from Alfred's main list is Grosse Point Blank: sneakily subversive take on the hitman genre. Probably the only Tarantino wannabe that was bearable.

I remember my friend and I were soooo psyched to see Lost Highway at the time, my friend doubly so since he absolutely adored Reznor and Manson, and after we watched it, we just sat there, deflated: "Um, that's it?".

gjoon1, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:03 (seven months ago) link

As for Wild at Heart, I haven't seen the deleted scenes, but I read the script and there was more of the random peripheral violence/accidents that you get just a taste of in the final film. The script made it feel like Lynch and Gifford were trying to make their own version of Godard's Weekend, except with a central couple in love rather than falling apart.

Speaking of Weekend, has any other Lynch film been so heavy-handed in its references? The Wizard of Oz, Sherilyn Fenn looking for her handbag seemed to come from Weekend, the dog with the severed hand from Yojimbo. I don't remember Lynch typically being so obvious, usually it's more along the lines of the bird in Blue Velvet maybe being a Kuchar reference or something obscure like that.

gjoon1, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:13 (seven months ago) link

Checking the festivals of 1997, it's also the year that Hana-bi won the Golden Lion. That's a good one as well.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:17 (seven months ago) link

I just checked, Paul M Sammon claimed that the character and even certain scenes in Blue Velvet are very similar to Out Of The Blue. But he was also complaining that Lynch was selling out and was becoming too crassly pornographic (this was 1992), most of arguments points weren't very convincing.

Οὖτις- in the same way I want to Count Orlok or the creep in Khanate's "Skin Coat".

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:35 (seven months ago) link

want to be

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:35 (seven months ago) link

oh well that all makes sense then

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:43 (seven months ago) link

I haven't seen LH in a long time, I should rewatch it. But one of the biggest problems with it is that it's so dark, meaning, the lighting in it is just dark, that it doesn't translate well to my TV which is 10 years old (and the last time I actually watched it was on VHS on a tube TV which was terrible looking). It looked good in a theater. I'd guess that a blu-ray on a better TV would look great. If Lynch was holding out for Criterion that's too bad.

akm, Thursday, 27 June 2019 03:50 (seven months ago) link

haven't seen it since it was released but on the They Shoot Pictures website Lost Highway is still the highest ranking film from 1997, even above Happy Together and Taste of Cherry

Dan S, Thursday, 27 June 2019 04:49 (seven months ago) link

Tim Lucas offers up his blocked Lost Highway commentary: https://videowatchdog.blogspot.com/2019/07/hear-my-lost-lost-highway-audio.html

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 14:46 (six months ago) link

(sorry, who is Tim Lucas?)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 16:37 (six months ago) link

film critic, publisher of Video Watchdog, author of Throat Sprockets, Bava biographer, professional DVD commentary track guy whose commentary was blocked by Lynch from the Lost Highway blu-ray discussed extensively in this thread evive

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 18:52 (six months ago) link

yeah i have to imagine that Criterion wants to put out all the Lynch films they can and he's just waiting out until they're able to (at least a year considering they just put out Blue Velvet). I'd prefer an Inland Empire reissue, not because it needs to be 'restored,' it's just very hard to find these days. the region 1 dvd has been out of print for years.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Henry Rollins talking about Lynch's working process on Lost Highway, and hanging out with him off-set, on a 2017 podcast episode

(there's five minutes of chit-chat between Rollins and his long-time office manager / co-host at the beginning)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 2 September 2019 02:35 (four months ago) link

This is good stuff

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 2 September 2019 02:59 (four months ago) link

I’m re-watching the return now and it’s so mind-blowingly good

k3vin k., Monday, 2 September 2019 16:56 (four months ago) link

lol that megaphone story in Rollins podcast is beautiful

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 13 September 2019 23:53 (four months ago) link

I never wanted The Return to end, so I put off and put off watching the last two episodes... and still haven’t. Love having them out there to watch sometime when the mood takes me

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 14 September 2019 13:57 (four months ago) link

Last two episodes are both equally nuts, but in very different ways

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 September 2019 14:34 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've heard a couple of people say More Things That Happened is just as good or better than Inland Empire and I cant wrap my head around that. Only two scenes particularly grabbed me. One was the short scene at the end with Dern sitting among the girls in a living room with warm light. The other is the longer part for Karolina Gruszka, in which she subtly twitches with curiosity and fear while talking to the "phantom" watch seller. I might have a lookout for more Gruszka (mostly polish films).

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 30 September 2019 18:44 (three months ago) link

I love More Things Happened because it further destabilizes Inland Empire, which I mostly love for how impossible it is for me to get my head around. But no, it's not better, of course not.

Frederik B, Monday, 30 September 2019 21:15 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2nTQV1n7CC/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:57 (two weeks ago) link

new short up on Netflix!

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:36 (one week ago) link

wait what

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 January 2020 16:12 (one week ago) link

you heard me

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 20 January 2020 16:17 (one week ago) link

new Lynch film is always excellent news

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 January 2020 16:19 (one week ago) link

'A detective interrogates a monkey who is suspected of murder.'

Nice.

pomenitul, Monday, 20 January 2020 16:20 (one week ago) link

and it's lynch's birthday today too

"it was the ape in the rue morgue with simian frenzy and a chimneypiece"

mark s, Monday, 20 January 2020 16:24 (one week ago) link

I'd like to see this monkey team up with Babu Frick for some serious hijinks.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 20 January 2020 17:23 (one week ago) link

this is great; i love that the monkey's mouth/voice is so clearly lynch

i'm shocked he didn't drop this in advance of the oscars so he could pick up a short subject nom (yes i know it's old but this should count as a new release)

"i would lay my life on the line for any chicken or rooster"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 20 January 2020 20:34 (one week ago) link

oh lord the musical number

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 20 January 2020 20:40 (one week ago) link

Amazing. This kind of thing feeds my soul.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 01:23 (one week ago) link

hardboiled noir answers from that little guy.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 01:23 (one week ago) link

ARE YOU A STRONG ARMED MAN?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 03:09 (one week ago) link


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