Israel to World: "Suck It."

In my limited experience, in France they are much more conservative and pro-likud, but that's just what I saw and heard around me in my visits there. In general, my jewish circles are very ashkenazi and north american, and I have always wondered if sephardim/mizrahim in Israel are more conservative, maybe someone here could answer.

Yeah good point I am in the Ashkenaz bubble as well

thanks for all these answers, everyone.

The Jewish community in the UK now overwhelmingly votes Tory, in fact it's politically the most right wing 'community' in the UK. It's been like that for a while but it really began to swing right when Ed Miliband (who was Jewish) signalled a change in Labour's policy towards Israel and just went through the roof with Corbyn.

history of the mizrahi vote:

It was from the political outsiders, the right wing of Israeli politics — Likud and its precursor Herut — that expressions of respect for the Mizrahi contribution to building the country came.

By 1977, the Mizrahi population was large enough to help bring Likud to power for the first time.

During the 1981 elections, then prime minister Menachem Begin exploited the resentment that the Mizrahim in the development towns felt toward the nearby kibbutzim with their vast reserves of land by invoking the “millionaire (Ashkenazi) kibbutzniks with their swimming pools.”

Today, many of the kibbutzim are broke and the development towns have swimming pools.

But old symbols remain potent long after reality has changed.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-the-left-keeps-failing-in-the-pro-likud-periphery-home-to-25-of-israelis/

Thanks!

imo it's insidious that Israel has no absentee voting for citizens living abroad, so any Israelis who leave in disgust no longer have any electoral power

israel's left left israel

The Jewish community in the UK now overwhelmingly votes Tory, in fact it's politically the most right wing 'community' in the UK. It's been like that for a while but it really began to swing right when Ed Miliband (who was Jewish) signalled a change in Labour's policy towards Israel and just went through the roof with Corbyn.

― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:31 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i have some notion that it started earlier, like thatcher earlier?

According to this article, Miliband was the first time in UK electoral history that the majority of British Jews voted Conservative.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/is-there-a-jewish-vote-in-the-british-elections-402054

Maureen Lipman was very vocal against Ed at the time and quit the party, she quit Equity last week as well. Some people will never be happy with anything other than unmitigated approval for everything the state of Israel does.

Some people will manufacture any excuse for ending up as Tories.

see also : Ian Austin and Lord Walney. Strong voices against antisemitism in the UK who both got peerages and didn't have fuck all to say when the UK PM invited an actual neo-nazi to 10 Downing st.

maybe "inviting" is a bit strong, but he laid out the red carpet and helped legitimise a genuine fascist leader.

not a lot of actual data in that article

There isn't but I'm sure there's stats somewhere.

In the poll that Jpost article cited, 51% of respondents said they voted for Cameron in 2010.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/huge-majority-of-british-jews-will-vote-tory-jc-poll-reveals-1.66001

might be hard to find truly reliable numbers of course

apparently thatcher consistently won the jewish vote in her constituency too

No great achievement for a Tory in that consituency.

there are genuine antisemitic tropes that seemingly go without criticism from right-wing UK Jewish publications, that originate from the right-wing of the UK Labour party as well as from the tories. Like when Nandy said antisemitism is "a form of racism that punches upwards instead of downwards"

o_O

that was mild, there was lots of 'anticapitalism is antisemitism because jews are all bankers' discourse from the right that was apparently totally fine and normal (one labour mp said almost exactly that as i recall)

the hidden irony in this is that the dominant Christian cultures of Europe long considered banking to be usury, but the aristocracy badly wanted to borrow money, so they purposely reserved the sinful business of banking for jews.

just a few more hours until Lapid's mandate runs out...

Israel to Netanyahu: "Suck It."

It's only taken them 12 years.

Congratulations to you @yairlapid and to the heads of the parties on your agreement to form a government. We expect the Knesset will convene as soon as possible to ratify the government, as required.

— Reuven Rivlin (@PresidentRuvi) June 2, 2021

Arab parties (well, the ones that can stomach Bennett) part of the governing coalition for the first time.

I will be honest, I took Netanyahu's stoking of hostilities to be first and foremost his icily cynical way of heading off the possibility of a governing coalition without him, and I thought it would work.

Who knows, maybe it still will. They still have to hold it together long enough for a vote, after all.

Now let's hope a restrained Bennet is indeed that, restrained, and that it's a better option than Netanyahu.

I think it will be better for Israeli citizens...doubt it will make any difference in the wellbeing of Arab residents of Gaza and the West Bank

Arab parties (well, the ones that can stomach Bennett) part of the governing coalition for the first time.

oops

Arab parties (well, the ones that can stomach Bennett) part of the governing coalition for the first time.

not really the first time, old Labour used to have support from Arab parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_satellite_lists

Definitely the first time a religious Muslim Shura council gave the OK to an Israeli governing coalition, however

This interview is very interesting, Naftali Bennett is just a massive tool:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-im-more-right-wing-than-bibi-but-i-dont-use-the-tools-of-hate/

Not only does he categorically rule out a Palestinian state but he's also a startup bro

NFTs for Palestine.

lol don't give them any ideas

I read this in the paper edition (there have been other, better NYT Op-Eds than this - and worse) but I thought it was striking that this self-consciously statesman-like essay closes with a paragraph that could easily be endorsed by both Hamas and the Israeli hard right:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/27/opinion/israel-palestinians-two-state-solution.html

An agreement will be possible when pragmatic leaders on both sides understand that the price of not having an agreement for their people is far higher than the price of compromise.

i.e. No Justice, No Peace

This was better - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/opinion/israel-palestinian-citizens-racism-discrimination.html

Just enjoyed teh 2 part Behind the Bastards look at the Netanyahus.
Hadn't known his background much until then.

THe one on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was quite interesting too. In terms of history of European Anti-semitism

Now let's hope a restrained Bennet is indeed that, restrained, and that it's a better option than Netanyahu.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 bookmarkflaglink

"Hope these people can be tolerated now"

I heard that the widesperead attitude to palestine across Israeli politics was a lack of tolerance back a few years back when it sounded like netanyahu's position was precarious. Shame, would be nice if there was some party looking out for the marginalised.

Would be good if it could be rewound to a point where the population that has been in place for the previous centuries weren't being marginalised by people who moved into their space supposedly to avoid persecution. That Behind teh Bastards podcast goes into the thought as Israel was being created and how the incoming population were consciously trying to uproot the previous population from the word go.

This again is why it’s weird to me that environmentalists sometimes don’t get what occupation does. Colonialism has always been body/land violence. https://t.co/7w2LVCMt2U

— nashwa (@nashwakay) June 3, 2021

Portuguese political podcast É Apenas Fumaça, who do great work, did this interview (in English) with a member of the Breaking The Silence org. Possibly all old news for ppl who know a lot about the topic, but I found it illuminating on how the occupation works on the ground:

https://fumaca.pt/ori-givati-palestinianos-tinham-de-sentir-que-nao-podiam-levantar-a-cabeca/

The great Nabil el-Kurd, father of Muna and Mohammed, brought a chair and is sitting outside the Israeli police station where his daughter is detained and his son being interrogated. https://t.co/NSHaXSr4DL

— لينة (@LinahAlsaafin) June 6, 2021

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/netanyahus-likely-departure-is-not-easing-the-fears-of-palestinians

Imagine being told that you have to demolish your own home that is rightfully yours or pay the government to demolish it for you. This is the literal textbook definition of ethnic cleansing. Don't turn away from IsraeI's barbarity. #SaveSilwan https://t.co/eK5TrFLpkw

— sahar 𓂆 (@faIasteeny) June 10, 2021

But Ilhan Omar's the problem.

you have to get your acts of terrorism signed off on by a court

after 12 years, a new Prime Minister