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In early January 2003, Townshend admitted having provided his credit card details to a commercial child pornography website, and viewing the child porn images there, which he claimed to have done for research purposes. He made the admission after his credit card transaction was discovered as part of Operation Ore, a large anti- child pornography operation. When a British tabloid found his name on this list and asked for a comment, he went public and requested a police investigation. His home was searched and his computers confiscated. Police returned the computers several months later and did not contradict Townshend's claim that the computers contained 15,000 of his songs but no child porn. In May 2003, he was cautioned by the police (acceptance of which is technically an admission of guilt), who decided not to press charges, after finding no evidence that he was in possession of child pornography. He was also placed on the Sex Offenders Register, requiring him to register with the police every year and if he moves house. Failure to do so would carry a five-year jail sentence.

His research claims were bolstered by a document he wrote and posted on his official website in January, 2002. In "A Different Bomb (," Townshend warns that portions of the Internet represent a terrible danger, primarily because it brings deviant material to deviant (and potentially deviant) people. The title suggests he views porn - and especially child porn - on the Internet as an inevitable negative, as scary as the atomic bomb. In March, 2004, Townshend was featured on a BBC television documentary in which he described his experiences as a result of the charges, stated that he was so upset by the accusations that he considered suicide, and apologized for the event. On May 19th 2005 Townshend turned 60.

kiddie porn sucks.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

(obv. it is only the end that is the "unusual detail")

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the unusual detail is that Pete Townshend apparently has written 15,000 songs, all of which he houses on his enormo-computer.

Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link


s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope he's got some good copyright lawyers -- the next few years may see big classic-rock hits for Sgt Finchley, the Funk Detectives, and Vice Squad Rockers.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

He saves his songs as .jpegs to save space and the resulting files just happen to resemble child porn.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 26 May 2005 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Seriously though, I mean the who only had so many albums of new material, and he's only had a handful of solo albums, wtf are the rest of these songs? WHEN WILL HE UNLEASH THIS ON THE WORLD?

Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Thursday, 26 May 2005 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
they deleted "kiddie porn sucks" :(

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 25 July 2005 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

"Buddy Holly is gay"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 19:53 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So I'm sure everyone already heard that John Seigenthaler Sr. was VERY MAD that someone dared implicate him in the Kennedy assassinations in his bio on the wikipedia. So the guy who did it as a joke has come forward and apologized. Fine.

But he has also "resigned as an operations manager at a Nashville delivery company as a result of the debacle".

OVERREACT MUCH? WTF am I missing something here?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 12 December 2005 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link

No, that's not overreacting - that is a threat, no? A little scary if you ask me, but these reactions on the net are very...strange. Some people don't like Mr. Seigenthaler if you ask me.

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I'm sorry - I misread. I thought you said Seigenthaler was overreacting. Of course you are right. Sorry it's too early for me to be reading this.

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:22 (fifteen years ago) link

One more thing, if you follow the links, it appears that this whole thing is part of the 'anti-wikipedia' extremist movement (which would like to gain more credibility, but which is essentially extremist). The anti-wiki movement involves anti-science groups, far right groups, and Scientology, but watch them try to mainstream it. One way to do this is the 'hit them with both sides' strategy. This whole thing could be a ploy to bring traditional media attention to Wikipedia, albeit in a negative light...and hopefully, the extremist and scary anti-Wikipedia 'movement' would also gain 'legitimacy'. Who is hoping this will happen? Well, not only fringe groups, but whatever allies they may have in corporate America.

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:32 (fifteen years ago) link

retarded and gay (bato), Monday, 12 December 2005 08:44 (fifteen years ago) link

The article about the Singing Nun has her categorized under "people who committed suicide", "people who died in their 50s", and the magnificent "people who committed suicide in their 50s".

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 12 December 2005 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Apparently, he made the wiki entries from work, and the entries had been tracked to his computer.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 12 December 2005 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I guess that makes slightly more sense. i thought he was so ashamed of himself he quit.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

The wikipedia article for Dougie Poynter out of McFly used to say something like
"Dougie lost his virginity at 15, which is an offence in the UK. It is not known whether he lost it to a boy or a girl." and for a while people would wiki-tussle deleting it, putting it back, deleting it again... but the article's been completely rewritten now. sadly.

baby i'm waiting (cis), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

ha ha I love cranks with an axe to grind.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Apparently, he made the wiki entries from work, and the entries had been tracked to his computer.

Ha, the guy who tracked him down is a notorious crank...

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Wikipedia Watch
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Wikipedia Watch is a website critical of Wikipedia. It is owned by Daniel Brandt, the leader of the Southwestern chapter of Aryan Nations and an Internet activist.

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

From the Google-watch-watch site:

The first such article I read was published by and can be found here ( This article isn't so bad as the others, the author does expose Brandt's motives:

Brandt is not a disinterested party; the dispute between Daniel Brandt and Google is personal. He has spent thousands of hours building a Web site that he believes is both useful and important, and Google, in its algorithmic blindness, has given Brandt a lower page rank than he thinks he's entitled to. Brandt finds it genuinely hard to believe -- and even personally insulting -- that Google won't give him more credit.

However the article does paint Mr. Brandt in a friendly light, and so it lends credibility to his cause - a cause which most if not all search engine professionals would regard as absurd.

The crux of Brandt's argument can be summed up with these paragraphs from the article.

When you type "NameBase" into Google, Brandt's site comes up first, but Brandt is not satisfied with that. "My problem has been to get Google to go deep enough into my site," he says. In other words, Brandt wants Google to index the 100,000 names he has in his database, so that a Google search for "Donald Rumsfeld" will bring up NameBase's page for the secretary of defense. For some reason, though, all of NameBase's deep pages -- its pages with specific names and citations -- have a low Google page rank, which causes them to show up low in the search results. Search for "Donald Rumsfeld" in Google and in the first five pages you get a lot of .mil and .gov sites, some news stories, and some activist sites. Namebase's entry on Rumsfeld doesn't come up. (It is in Google's database, but to find it somebody would have to first wade through hundreds of results.)

Why is a Nazi collecting people's names and citations?

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

ha he's not actually a nazi. That was an "unusual detail".

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Tribune Company
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Tribune Company
Type Public (NYSE: TRB)
Founded 1847
Location Chicago, Illinois
Key people Dennis Fitzsimmons, CEO & President
Scott Smith, President of Tribune Publishing
Patrick Mullen, President, Tribune Broadcasting
Industry Entertainment
Products television, newspapers, radio
Revenue 2% ($5.73 billion USD, FY 2005)
Employees unknown
The Tribune Company is a large multimedia corporation based in Chicago, Illinois. It owns the Chicago Tribune, WGN, the Chicago Cubs, the Los Angeles Times, Newsday in New York, the Hartford Courant, The Baltimore Sun, the Daily Press, and many other media outlets. The Tribune Company is also a co-owner of the WB television network. The Tribune Company's revenues total billions of dollars each year.
The Tribune Company also owns Tribune Entertainment, which owns the distribution rights to several television shows including: Andromeda, Mutant X, The Beastmaster, Family Feud, South Park, Soul Train, Candid Camera, Earth: Final Conflict, and others.

One criticism of the Tribune Company is that they are responsible for the Cubs' perpetual losing. The Tribune Company discovered that the Cubs are more profitable fielding a poor team, rather than spending big on free agents. The Chicago Cubs are located in a trendy area of Chicago, causing them to have great attendance at home games, even when the team is doing poorly.

If the Tribune Company is so unhappy about this, why don't they just edit it?

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

What makes you think they're "so unhappy"?

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

the "techno-cult of ignorance" picture montage is awesome

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 12 December 2005 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link

"Brian Chase, 38, who until Friday was an operations manager at a small delivery company, told Seigenthaler he had written the material suggesting Seigenthaler had been involved in the assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy."


latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Monday, 12 December 2005 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"In 1990, Winona played a primary role in another Burton project, Edward Scissorhands, alongside her then-boyfriend Johnny Depp. It is her only movie, other than 2002's Mr. Deeds, in which one can admire her natural blond hair which she has dyed dark since childhood."

patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 12 December 2005 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Some time around 1600, before the term acquired its current meaning, "windfucker" was an acceptable name for the bird now known as the kestrel.

Mestema (davidcorp), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Some also like to skeet in the woman's eye. skeet skeet.

melton mowbray (adr), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Track listing

1. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (Cobain/Grohl/Novoselic) - 5:02
2. "In Bloom" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 4:15
3. "Come As You Are" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:39
4. "Breed" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:04
5. "Lithium" (Cobain) - 4:17
6. "Polly" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 2:56
7. "Territorial Pissings" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 2:23
8. "Drain You" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:44
9. "Lounge Act" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 2:37
10. "Stay Away" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:33
11. "On a Plain" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:17
12. "Something In The Way" (Cobain/Nirvana) - 3:51
13. "Endless, Nameless" (Hidden track) (Cobain/Hongro/Nirvana)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:29 (fifteen years ago) link


it appears to have been edited again, not by me:

"Endless, Nameless" (Hidden track) (Cobain/Hongro/Cuomo/Urkel/Nirvana)

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link

though I think just the stray "Hongro" was funnier

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Someone did quite a number to Douglas Adams' page:

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:00 (fifteen years ago) link

HAH! It's fixed!

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Portions of the name sound like vulgarities in English and Spanish, leading to its use in various jokes. Titicaca is the lake that Cornholio, alter-ego of Beavis of MTV's animated series Beavis and Butt-head, claims to come from although he believes the lake is located in Nicaragua.

kanye twitty (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

The word 'Trekdom' is used interchangeably with 'Fandom' when referring to Star Trek Fandom or their fans and has been in use by fans of Star Trek fans for several decades.

After the recent cancellation of Star Trek: Enterprise, the future of Trekdom is still uncertain, though it has been scaled back to its own core. Some may believe that Trekdom might die off, or it might be extinct at the onset of such conflicts such as World War III.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 16 April 2006 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

"D-cup sized breasts are generally regarded as minimum specification in order to fully enjoy this act."

"Plus, all the slang..."
But shouldn't the 81 be called a 010?

dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link

turn the "8" on its side; insert "1."

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 17 April 2006 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

# "spagnola" (lit. "Spanish job", in Italy)
# "branlette espagnole" (lit. "Spanish job" (France)
# "espanhola" (lit. "Spanish job", in Brazil and Portugal)
# "ισπανικό" (lit. "Spanish job", in Greece)
# "cubana" (lit. "Cuban job", in Spain)

Pwnjabi MC (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 17 April 2006 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Martin Luther was a cunt.

Was what I found at the top of the page when I checked wikipedia a few weeks before starting a class on the Reformation.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 17 April 2006 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link

That Salon piece is a pathetic excuse for journalism. "Man, my conspiracy theory site doesn't rank high enough on Google when searching for an incredibly famous person! At least Salon's desperate enough to write about my plight."

musically (musically), Monday, 17 April 2006 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
In [[2006]], Momus was appointed head booker for the American wrestling federation [[IWA: Mid South]].

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link

The Cold War cycled through a series of high and low tension years (the latter called [[Détente]]). Historians continue to debate the causes of the low tension, but it was decided that the high tension was formed by the male romping between members of the Soviet and U.S troops.

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

First go here:

Go to the Probe / Men in Video Awards section.

Click on the 1995 recipient of the "Best Bottom" award.

Note the expression on his face.

Eric H., Monday, 4 June 2007 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link


strgn, Monday, 4 June 2007 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Cultural imperialism at its WTF-est:

Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão GCL (born José Alexandre Gusmão, on June 20, 1946) is a former freedom fighter who became the first President of East Timor since independence from Indonesia.
His nickname, "Xanana", is taken from the name of the 1970's rock and roll/comedy group Sha Na Na.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 19 July 2007 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

On a radio interview, Trina said that the relationship was more of a "brother-sister" relationship. Later, on Victoria's RapBasement, Lil Wayne said he knew nothing of the rumors. During Wayne's childhood, he mistakenly got thought of as a gay guy but late he dismissed all these claims by watching naked gun 33 and a third.

acrobat, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link

And in the next chapter:

"Lil Wayne and Trina have recently ended their porno relationship, which was stated by Lil Wayne, himself, on BET's 106 and Park."

Did someone misspell "promo"?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 09:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"As she was raised in the United States, Wang was exposed to many classic pop music acts, including but not limited to: The Beatles, Queen, and Oingo Boingo."

justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 17:30 (one month ago) link

"including but not limited to"

I like how legalistically this is put.

jmm, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 17:32 (one month ago) link

what is coming out that guys butt

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 19:49 (one month ago) link

a thing that’s called radar love
a wave in the air
a line in the sky

Not that it isnt strange enough to merit inclusion itt but that maud gonne stuff would be so well known as to have been a strange omission from any wiki rly

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:13 (one month ago) link

The song, which is about having sex in a car, received positive reviews from critics.

shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 07:13 (one month ago) link

Amazing Grace is a 1974 comedy film directed by Stan Lathan and starring Moms Mabley.[1] The film's title is a play on words based on the name of the Christian hymn "Amazing Grace".

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 January 2021 16:19 (one month ago) link

appreciation for that

timber euros (seandalai), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:13 (one month ago) link

a gold ole play on words where the words are exactly the same

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:14 (one month ago) link

One is in title case, one has a proper noun

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:46 (one month ago) link

The group is known for their unique combination of musical talent and Christian lifestyle, as evidenced in their songs.

unintentionally insulting

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 16:05 (one month ago) link

Yeah J.S. Bach wants a word with you, punkass

quoth the craven (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 23 January 2021 16:09 (one month ago) link

In 2017 a re-issue of his cassette-only album 'Before I Went to Harvard' was pressed onto 12" vinyl through Eleventh Hour Recording Company and a previously unreleased song entitled "Mole in the Ground was included on Sound Asleep Records' "Hit the Hay Vol. 9" compilation.

Has anyone seen or know of the whereabouts of Bill Fox. As one of his friends, I have not seen Bil or talked to him since December 31st, 2017.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:30 (one month ago) link


if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:33 (one month ago) link

I hope nobody mods that

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:34 (one month ago) link

Same, and I mean some of his records have just been re-issued again, so I think he's probably alive...just being his reclusive, emotionally troubled, alcoholic self

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:51 (one month ago) link

The song was originally recorded in a bathroom, and in the masters of the recording, someone in the next apartment can be heard yelling "Shut up".

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Thursday, 28 January 2021 06:41 (four weeks ago) link

"A remake of Big Fat Liar began filming in August 2016.[9] The film titled Bigger Fatter Liar starred Ricky Garcia as Kevin Shepherd, Jodelle Ferland as Becca, and Barry Bostwick as Larry Wolf. "

justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Saturday, 30 January 2021 18:32 (three weeks ago) link

Klaasje van der Wal was proud of the fact that Krist Novoselic once called him a bass god in a blog, while it was said that Van Leeuwen was informed about the Nirvana cover during a visit to Hilversum in the Netherlands. Apparently, he had listened to Bleach in a shop, returned it to his friend without having purchased the album and explained that he did not buy it because he thought the cover was inferior.

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 16:53 (three weeks ago) link

After the completion of The Mirage tour in 1982, four of the members of Fleetwood Mac released five solo albums with varying degrees of success. Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVie, and Lindsey Buckingham each released one while Stevie Nicks released two.[14] John McVie preferred to go sailing.

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:43 (three weeks ago) link

John McVie OTM

Copybara / pasteybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 January 2021 22:34 (three weeks ago) link

this is quite something, from the Trade and industry section of the Chinese people in Myanmar article. it is among many other things a headache-inducing exercise in writing the same idea in 50 differently worded sentences. be careful what you un-hide!

Like much of Southeast Asia, ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs dominate Burmese commerce at every level of society.[7][8][9][10][32][33][34][35] Burmese Chinese wield tremendous economic clout and influence over their indigenous Burman majority counterparts and play a critical role in maintaining the country's economic vitality and prosperity.[9][10][33] Entire Chinese enclaves have sprung up in major cities across the country.[33] Burmese Chinese a disproportionate wealthy, market-dominant minority not only form a distinct ethnic community, they also form, by and large, an economically advantaged social class: the commercial middle and upper class in contrast to the poorer indigenous Burmese majority working and underclass around them.[34][36][37][38][39]

Mandalay is now the economic and financial nerve center of Upper Myanmar and is considered the epicenter of Burmese Chinese business culture. An influx of poor Han Chinese immigrants, mostly from the Yunnan province have continuously increased the dynamics of the economy throughout the entire nation and transformed Mandalay into the prosperous trading center that it is today.[40][41][42] Established Sino-Burmese businessmen continue to remain at the helm of Myanmar's economy, where the Chinese minority have been transformed almost overnight into a garishly distinctive prosperous business community.[43][44] Much of the foreign investment capital into the Burmese economy has been from Mainland Chinese investors and channeled though Burmese Chinese business networks for new startup businesses or foreign acquisitions. Many members of the Burmese Chinese business community act as agents for Mainland and overseas Chinese investors outside of Myanmar.[37][45] In 1988, the State Law and Order Restoration Council (SLORC) came to power, and gradually loosened the government's role in the economy, encouraging private sector growth and foreign investment. This liberalization of state's role in the economy, if slight and uneven, nonetheless gave Burmese Chinese-led businesses extra space to expand and reassert their economic clout. Today, virtually all of Myanmar's retail, wholesale and shipping firms are in Chinese hands.[20][37] For example, Sein Gayha, a major Burmese retailer that began in Yangon's Chinatown in 1985, is owned by a Burmese Hakka family. Moreover, ethnic Chinese control the nations four of the five largest commercial banks, Myanmar Universal Bank, Yoma Bank, Myanmar Mayflower Bank, and the Asia Wealth Bank.[46] Today, Myanmar's ethnic Chinese community are now at the forefront of opening up the country's economy, especially towards Mainland China as an international overseas Chinese economic outpost. The Chinese government has been very proactive in engaging with the overseas Chinese diaspora and using China's soft power to help the Burmese Chinese community stay close to their roots in order to foster business ties.[9] Much of the foreign investment from Mainland China now entering Myanmar is being channeled through overseas Chinese bamboo networks. Many members of the Burmese Chinese business community often act as agents for expatriate and overseas Chinese investors outside of Myanmar.[47]

Ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs have been increasingly involved Mandalay's economy since the imposition of sanctions by the United States and the European Union in the 1990s. During Myanmar's open door immigration policy in the 1990s, Mandalay became the most remarkable destination for massive Chinese migration.[30] With the onset of economic liberalization and the rise of free market capitalism in Myanmar, members of the Sino-Burmese community gravitated towards business and adhere to the Chinese paradigm of guanxi which is based on the importance of having contacts, relationships and connections as ingredients for business success. Following Myanmar's new market transformation, Chinese immigrants from Yunnan were able to obtain identity papers on the black market to become naturalized Burmese citizens overnight.[40][48] Many foreign-born Chinese obtained Burmese citizenship cards on the black market.[49][50] Identity cards were not only used for new Chinese migrants to stay indefinitely, but to also bypass laws on foreign ownership of businesses such as hotels, shops, and restaurants.[51] A substantial increase in foreign investment has poured from Mainland China have flown into property and have been able to avoid the foreign ownership ban as many Mainland Chinese were able to obtain Myanmar identity cards via bribery or marriage to a Myanmar national through middlemen who themselves are Burmese citizens with Chinese ancestry.[49][50] Retail stores were opened by Chinese entrepreneurs, whose business interests ranged from cement mixing to financial services as ambitious Chinese entrepreneurs have literally taken over the economies of Rangoon and Mandalay and turned them into the prosperous business and financial centers that they are today.[31][52][53][54][55] As Mandalay became more economically prosperous, large influxes of ethnic Chinese immigrants have continued to settle there since the 19th century resulting a sinification of the entire city.[56][57] The transformation of Mandalay into a booming modern metropolis filled with foreign businesses and gem trading centers occurred under the auspices of the entrepreneurial Chinese minority.[49][50] Many ethnic Chinese owned and operated businesses such as trading companies, market stalls, food joints, medicine shops, hotels, and gem shops have also flourished.[49][50] Today, virtually all of Mandalay's and Rangoon's shops, hotels, restaurants, financial services outlets and prime residential and commercial real estate are owned by ethnic Chinese.[31][37][44][52][58] Prime real estate in key sites in Mandalay have been entirely acquired by wealthy Chinese businessmen and investors.[31] As new Chinese migrants came into Myanmar flush with vast amounts of capital, they engaged heavily investing in businesses including wholesale marketing, gold and jewellery shops, hotels, restaurants, real estate, and jade mining.[59] Mandalay's 100,000 strong Chinese population comprise ten percent of the city's entire population yet control all of Mandalay's retail gold shops, gemstone mining concessions, foreign business offices, and timber trading companies surrounded by Chinese owned large Victorian villas scattered on the outskirts left behind by the British colonialists.[36][48] Gemstones and gold bars are among the many the goods sold on the Burmese commodities market and represent the trade of many Chinese expatriate entrepreneurs and investors.[48] Foreign buyers of jade and gems have been flocking to the city of Mandalay, with clients from Hong Kong continuing to be the main customers. Mandalay been virtually sinicized economically and culturally, to the resentment of indigenous Burmese, who have been entirely displaced their into poverty stricken shantytowns in economic submission.[50] Mandalay's other major industries include sports where the nation's popularity of soccer has sprung across the city. The soccer team, Yadanabon FC represents the city in the newly formed Myanmar National League, making it the nation's first professional soccer league. About 50 percent of the land plots in Downtown Mandalay are controlled by ethnic Chinese. Whenever a large real estate project, such as a hotel or shopping center that is about to be constructed, the project is typically under the hands of an ethnic Chinese real estate entrepreneur. In addition, more than 50 percent of the economic activity in Downtown Mandalay are dominated by Chinese-owned shops, hotels, restaurants, and showrooms.[30] About 80 percent of the hotels and guesthouses, more than 70 percent of the restaurants, more than 45 percent of gold and jewelry shops, about 30 percent of jade and gemstone trading, and nearly 100 percent of the sale centers for Mainland Chinese made commodities in Mandalay are owned and operated by Chinese.[30] Ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs have acquired all of the central Mandalay's economic arteries and quickly controlled and dominated much of the city's business activity.[36][54] In Central Mandalay, about 80 percent or four out of five gold and jewelry shops are owned by ethnic Chinese.[59] In addition, all of Mandalay's shopping malls and hotels were entirely built and owned by ethnic Chinese construction and real estate development companies. Expatriate Chinese entrepreneurs have economically revitalized and continue to dominate Mandalay's central business district while Mainland China's influence has become so prevalent, that the local inhabitants have referred to Mandalay as a "Chinese city" dominated by an inflow of international expatriate Chinese money, much of it invested in hotels, restaurants, and bars.[60][29][49][56][57][61][62][63] The strong economic clout and influence exerted by the Chinese in Mandalay, Yangon, and other parts of northern Myanmar have entirely displaced indigenous Burmans into poverty stricken ghetto shantytowns on the outskirts of major Burmese cities.[36][49][56]

Goods manufactured historically by indigenous Burmans have been entirely displaced by inexpensive Chinese consumer goods such as textiles, machinery, and electronics in terms of quality and price.[64] Tapestry weaving, gold leaf carving, furniture crafting, and precious stone polishing was historically a source of employment and income for indigenous Burman artisans have entirely been displaced and taken over by the Burmese Chinese.[65] Many products historically made by indigenous Burmans have been entirely displaced by cheaper Chinese imports and higher quality Burmese Chinese made products.[49][66][67][68][69] Burmese Chinese entrepreneurs dominate every major Burmese business sector including silk weaving, tapestry, jade cutting and polishing, stone and wood carving, making marble and bronze Buddha images, food products, temple ornaments and paraphernalia, the working of gold leaves and of silver, garments, pharmaceuticals, match manufacturing, brewing, and distilling. Burmese Chinese entrepreneurs have also have established heavy industry joint ventures with many large Chinese conglomerates. These industries include shipbuilding, copper, nickel, oil and natural gas, cement, base metals, coal, fertilizers, jet fuel, industrial minerals, kerosene, steel, tin, tungsten, agricultural processing, forestry, airlines, wood and wood products, teak logging, timber, rice, and building materials, machinery, transport equipment, and plastics.[24][38][70] Chinese consumer electronics, beer, and fashion are also large industries.[66][71] In Yangon, the Hokkien operate small and medium-sized family businesses in teak logging, rice, bean and legume trading, and cooking oil production while the Cantonese focused on small-scale manufacturing of handicrafts and similar artisan retail products.[45]

Between 1895 and 1930, Sino-Burmese businesses were initially concentrated within three sectors: Brokerage, manufacturing, and contracting. Under British rule, Chinese share of the businesses was reduced significantly from 28.5 to 10 percent in manufacturing, 26.6 to 1.8 percent in brokerage and 31 to 4.3 percent in contracting while Burmese Indians improved their economic positions significantly and controlled a larger proportion of the businesses within the three sectors. Other major sectors between 1895 and 1930 that declined included banking and money-lending, dropping from 33.3 percent to zero. Trading changed from 13.3 to 12.6 percent. Similar drops in market share occurred in the import-export trade, extraction, distribution-supply, and business partnerships. However, Chinese share in milling increased from 0 to 4.5 percent, agents from 13.3 to 15.6 percent, shopkeeping from 6.7 to 18.3 percent, and merchanting from 12.3 to 13.1 percent.[72][73] Of the 47 rice mills in Myanmar, 13 percent was controlled by ethnic Chinese and was utilized for rice exportation and processing. During the last few decades of the 19th century, Chinese turned to rural money-lending. Sino-Burmese businessmen also ran illicit opium and gambling dens, tea shops, liquor stores and also acted as agents for the sale of petroleum products.[74]

As Sino-Burmese entrepreneurs became more financially prosperous, they often pooled large amounts of seed capital and started joint ventures with overseas Chinese business moguls and investors from all over the world.[37] However, most stayed in Myanmar or concentrated their efforts on surrounding Southeast Asian markets such as Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand as well as the Greater Chinese market such as Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. Many Burmese Chinese entrepreneurs have friends and relatives in Mainland China has produced favourable conditions for them to support wealth accumulation by introducing the wholesale market of Chinese made products in Myanmar abroad.[30][75][76][77] Legal two-way trade between Mainland China and Myanmar reached 1.5 billion dollars USD per year by 1988 and additional Chinese trade, investment, economic, and military aid was sought to invigorate the Burmese economy.[74] In order to secure and protect their economic interests, the Burmese Chinese Chamber of Commerce serves as a guild, association, business nerve center and lobby group for local Burmese Chinese businessmen. Most notably, the Malaysian business magnate Robert Kuok converted Mandalay and Rangoon into the largest economic hubs for Mainland Chinese and Southeast Asian Chinese business networking and deal making in Myanmar.[37] For smaller businesses and newer start-ups, many self-employed Sino-Burmese retail hawkers make a great living selling cheap bicycle tires imported from China.[37] Ethnic Chinese dominate Myanmar's jade industry and have been the chief driving force behind Burmese gem mining and jade exports.[78] Private gem mining is a large industry in Myanmar with many of the concessionaires being controlled by Sino-Burmese entrepreneurs. At present, Myanmar's booming gem industry is completely under Chinese hands and the thriving Burmese Chinese businessmen at every level, from the financiers, concession operators all the way to the merchants that own scores of newly opened gem markets. One Chinese-owned jewelry company reportedly controls 100 gem mines and produces over 2,000 kilograms of raw rubies annually.[79] Since the privatization of the gem industry during the 1990s, Sino-Burmese jewelers and entrepreneurs have transformed Myanmar's gem industry into new retail jewelry shops selling coveted pieces of expensive jewelry.[79] One notable incident occurred in June 2011 where a gem market was forced to be shut down after a fight embroiled a group of Chinese and Burmese merchants over a business deal that went sour. Allegedly, the Burmese and Chinese merchants were embroiled in a fight over a deal that was worth US$5,300.[80]

Burmese Chinese entrepreneurs are not just dominant in the big business sector but also in the small and medium-sized business sector as well.[36][80] Burmese Chinese have dominated several types of businesses such as selling bicycle tires, auto parts, electrical equipment, textiles, precious metals, machinery, ironmongery, hardware, printing and bookbinding, books and stationery, paper and printing ink, tailoring and dry-cleaning, jewelry, English tutoring, and money exchanges. Beauty parlors, construction sites, mobile phone sale centers, traditional Chinese medicine clinics, restaurants, pubs, dry cleaners, laundromats, cafes, casinos and gambling dens, breweries, nightclubs, hotels and karaoke bars are also common establishments.[30][81] Ethnic Chinese minorities dominate both the legitimate trade as well as the highly lucrative illegitimate trade in opium and other unsavory drug enterprises. Sino-Burmese businessmen such as Lo Hsing Han and Kyaw Win continue to control Myanmar's major banks, airlines, teak logging companies, and gemstone mining concessions. Lo's son, Steven Law is also a prominent businessman well known for being at the helm of Myanmar's largest conglomerate company Asia World, whose investments include a container shipping operator, port buildings, and toll road authorities.[82][83] Law also has business holdings in sports, where he is the majority owner of Magway FC, a Burmese soccer team.[84] Law also has holding's in Myanmar's gem industry where it is valued at an estimated $600 million. His holdings include numerous valuable ruby concessions as well as "a mining stake in northern jade rush' town of Phakent". His conglomerate is also the most popular business partner for foreign investors looking to invest in Myanmar's private gem industry.[79]

An influx of foreign capital investment from Mainland China, Germany, and France have led to new construction projects across Myanmar. Mainland China has poured investment into the country supplying the Burmese economy with plenty of cheap Chinese goods and services in the market in addition to provide money for new startup infrastructure projects.[49][85] Many of these infrastructure projects are in the hands of Chinese construction contractors and civil engineers with large scale construction undertakings including irrigation dams, highways, bridges, ground satellite stations, and an international airport for Mandalay.[37][59][86] Sino-Burmese entrepreneurs have also established numerous joint ventures with Mainland Chinese State-owned enterprises and companies for the construction of oil pipelines that could bring thousands of jobs into the country.[87][88] Private Chinese firms, many of which are small to medium-sized businesses rely on established business networks between China and Burmese Chinese entrepreneurs to conduct trade between the two countries. Mainland China is now Myanmar's most important source of foreign goods and services well as one of the most important sources of foreign direct investment, accounting for 61 per cent of all FDI into the country from 2013 to 2014.[69] Chinese SOEs account for 57 percent of all foreign firms operating in Myanmar and are primarily involved in the oil and gas, power, and mineral sectors while private firms that engage in licit/illicit trade account for a majority of foreign investment in Myanmar's domestic economy.[64] Chinese structural power over Myanmar's structure of finance also provides China with a dominant position within the country's natural resource sector, primarily Myanmar's latent oil, gas, and uranium sectors. Its position galvanizes China's position as Myanmar's primary investor and consumer of its extractive industries, which accounts for a majority of China's investment holdings.[64][89] Many Chinese capitalists have realized that it has been more advantageous for them to invest in Myanmar's mining, lumber, and energy sectors. A number of them have targeted Myanmar's high value natural resource industries such as raw jade stones, teak and timber, rice, and marine fishery industries.[69]

As ethnic Chinese economic might grew, much of the indigenous Burmese majority have gradually been driven out into poorer land on the hills, on the outskirts of major Burmese cities or into the mountains.[34][36][38][56] Disenchantment grew among the displaced indigenous Burmese hill tribes who felt they were unable compete with ethnic Chinese businesses.[37][58][65] During the Burmese property boom in the 1990s, Chinese real estate investors began building and speculating as property values doubled and tripled in values resulted indigenous Burmese being pushed further away from their native homes and displaced into the outskirts of major Burmese cities towards impoverished shantytowns.[34][90] Underlying resentment and bitterness from the impoverished Burmese majority has been accumulating as there has been no existence of indigenous Burmese having any substantial business equity in Myanmar.[13][91][92] The increased economic clout held in the hands of the Chinese in Myanmar has triggered distrust, resentment and anti-Chinese hostility among the indigenous Burmese majority.[93][94] Decades of free market liberalization brought virtually no economic benefit to the indigenous Burmese majority but rather the opposite resulting a subjugated indigenous Burmese majority underclass, many of whom still engage in menial labor, rural peasantry or illegal teak smuggling in a stark socioeconomic contrast to their modern, wealthier, and cosmopolitan middle class Chinese counterparts.[15][34][43] Thousands of displaced Burmese hill tribes and aborigines live in satellite shantytowns on the outskirts of Mandalay in economic destitution. The wealth disparity and abject poverty among the indigenous Burmese aborigines has resulted hostility blaming their socioeconomic ills on foreign domination, exploitation, and looting of their country by a relative handful of outsiders, namely Chinese.[34][36][37][38][39]

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Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:10 (three weeks ago) link

Jesus make it stop

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:14 (three weeks ago) link

from the article on king oliver:

He reunited the band in 1928, recording for Victor Talking Machine Company one year later. He continued with modest success until a downturn in the economy made it more difficult to find bookings.

a downturn you say!

from the same article:

After Storyville closed, he moved to Chicago in 1918 with his wife and step-daughter, Ruby Tuesday Oliver.

might keef, or more likely brian jones, have had some dim recollection of this bit of jazz history trivia?

budo jeru, Friday, 5 February 2021 06:59 (two weeks ago) link

He had a part in the ABC sitcom Dinosaurs as Al "Sexual" Harris (who frequently engaged in sexual harassment)

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 5 February 2021 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

the trad wing of the british jazz active in some of the clubs the stones played in during their early days included an aggressively vocal faction dedicated to king oliver and little else: they believed eg that jazz went downhill after the saxophones arrived (1923) and were not afraid to tell you so. jones had definitely feuded with them.

mark s, Friday, 5 February 2021 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

In 2014, Traylor joined a spiritual group which led to an isolation from society, but left shortly after.[1]

Selfie Stick Stickly (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 February 2021 10:30 (two weeks ago) link

^ Predictably, the linked article says nothing of the sort.

Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 February 2021 10:33 (two weeks ago) link

irl chucklettes

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 6 February 2021 10:34 (two weeks ago) link


shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 6 February 2021 10:34 (two weeks ago) link

However, next year saw no Freaknik

Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Saturday, 6 February 2021 17:22 (two weeks ago) link

He was so horrified at the terrible sacrileges intended for three desecrated hosts that he immediately made an offering of his own spirit to be possessed by demons in expiation for this intended sacrilege. His prayer was granted, and for more than twenty years he was harassed by evil spirits, experiencing hallucinations, seizures and temporary paralysis, and slowly losing his power of speech. He became plunged in suicidal despair over his eternal damnation. At times he was unable to use his hands, his feet, his eyes, his tongue, or was impelled to commit a thousand extravagances, which even the most charitably inclined deemed foolish. The delusions under which he labored at such times caused him the greatest joy.

bulb after bulb, Sunday, 7 February 2021 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

the 3–2 win over Rochdale earned Gannon's club promotion to League One.[43] He refused to give a post-match interview to Sky Sports following a nine-month dispute with the company over a broken Skybox.

The Man DeLorean (onimo), Sunday, 7 February 2021 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

In 2008, Ward launched a solo project as Lord Ward, releasing the singles "Brooklyn Blister" and "Rich Boys in Strip Clubs" on Corsair Records. In 2009 he added some extra d's to become Lord Warddd.

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

whatup wardddie

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

Throw some D's on that bit.

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

beat me to it, augh

honk honk honkin' on Bobo's door (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

a character appropriately called "Red Herring" (a pun on red herring)

shivers me timber (sic), Thursday, 11 February 2021 07:55 (two weeks ago) link

Punky's dog is named Brandon, after Tartikoff himself. The dog's real name was Sandy. Sandy originally shared the role with his brother, but Tartikoff decided that Sandy was better for the role.

edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:31 (one week ago) link

dog named brandon

pplains, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 22:58 (one week ago) link

Hutton Mount is in close proximity to Hutton and Shenfield railway station.

It is often described as feeling like a Liminal Space or like something out of a Silent Hill game.

can any essex ppl confirm

Left, Friday, 19 February 2021 11:45 (six days ago) link

On August 24, 1991, they played the Splattering of Tribes Festival in the desert outside Indio, California, with such acts as Lead Corpse, the Rails, Liquid Jesus, Sort of Quartet, Pigmy Love Circus, Haunted Garage, the Stains, DC3, Suplex Slam, Porno Sponges, and Dead Corpse.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 February 2021 20:21 (four days ago) link

Anne Rice and Anneka Rice have the same birthday.

koogs, Monday, 22 February 2021 09:29 (three days ago) link

xpost i don't know any of those acts but just on naming that sounds like a pretty cool festival

honkin' on bobo, honkin' with my feet ten feet off of beale (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 February 2021 14:16 (three days ago) link

it's either a porngrind festival or a jamband festival. or both

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 15:04 (three days ago) link

I did a GIS of the Essex (of '60s hit 'Easier Said than Done') and was puzzled as to why pretty much every image showed them in military uniform but whaddayaknow

Founding members Walter Vickers (guitar) and Rodney Taylor (drums) were members of the United States Marine Corps stationed in Okinawa, Japan.[1] After being transferred to Camp LeJeune in North Carolina, they enlisted fellow Marines Billy Hill (aka Billy Proctor) and Rudolph Johnson as group members.[1] Next they added a female lead singer, Anita Humes, another Marine.[2]

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 14:16 (two days ago) link

MC Skat Kat also featured in "Yakety Yak, Take It Back", an all-star public service music video produced by Warner Bros. in 1991 for the Take It Back Foundation. The music video featured appearances by numerous celebrities, for a new version of the song "Yakety Yak" with a message about recycling.[9]

Please Hammer Stop Hurting 'Em (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:02 (yesterday) link

(Sorry, cheating, this bit is from the Muppets Wiki but I needed more info on this latter day 'We Are The World')

Celebrity appearances include Dr. John as the voice of the animated Yakety Yak character, Bugs Bunny, Pat Benatar, Natalie Cole, Charlie Daniels, Lita Ford, Quincy Jones, B. B. King, Queen Latifah, Kenny Loggins, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, M.C. Skat Kat (from Paula Abdul's video "Opposites Attract"), Bette Midler, Randy Newman, Tibi, Tone Lōc, Ozzy Osbourne, Brenda Russell, Al B. Sure!, Ricky Van Shelton, Barry White and Stevie Wonder.

Please Hammer Stop Hurting 'Em (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:11 (yesterday) link

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