whoa roxy that is a motherlode of good stuff!!
FANTASTIC news about lost and found
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
the new movie theater was the only thing talked about in the Grand Plans for Downtown circa 1999-2000 that made any sense, so i'm glad it's the one thing from those plans that survived. (among other things talked about: enclosing market square in glass; a planetarium on gay st. called Universe Knoxville...)
i was there in june before and after bonnaroo and as usual for the last few years happily impressed with all the different stuff going on downtown. a lot of my friends don't go to sundown anymore because it's too crowded, which is a good sign. especially with the new development (supposedly) happening on the south bank of the river, i think downtown might be establishing itself as a viable little community. it has all the downsides of revitalized downtowns of course -- racial and economic stratification, for a start -- and as neighborhoods go, north and south knoxville both still seem more interesting, in terms of character, diversity, etc. but compared to the total ghost town that was gay street and market square 10 years ago, what's there now is a gigantic improvement.
also roxy's right about metro pulse -- now bizarrely owned by the news sentinel -- but my friend coury who more or less built the paper from scratch in the first place just took back over the reins, so that's probably a plus. knoxville voice i wrote for a little bit when another friend was working there, but i never understood wtf that paper was trying to be (noam chomsky columns?). and then they fired my friend, so i stopped writing for them.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
DJ KINGTRON
:-D
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Tracer: I know! Knoxville is fun right now!
Also: Science O'Mega is a very brilliant guy. He is a DJ and emcees/produces with various HR Dept. guys.
In short, I totally love Knoxville right now more than ever.
Another big scene in Knox right now is the Whisk-Hutzel records conglomerate, basically a guy called Will Fist and a hundred, zillion bands that essentially do nothing but drink all day and smoke drugs and play (mostly) sludgey rock. Will is a great guy, a real character, always a pleasure to see him working the door at the Pilot Light.
A lot of peeps in town have been saying that this will be THE year for Knoxville music. I'm jaded, but it certainly FEELS that way right now...
Search also: Three Rivers Rambler, Wok n Roll in East Knoxville, CHANDLER'S DELI (also East Knox), Kaya (great West Knox korean)...I could go on for days, I'll leave it at this for now.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link
The BLUE PLATE SPECIAL at WDVX on Gay St. is the best thing to happen in my life, @ high noon every single day, a free show hosted by the wonderful and talented Matt Morelock, who is just great, and hosts a great show on WDVX, as well. I go every time I can.
yeah i finally went to one of these in june. saw a very strange double-header with christabel & the jons and a tuvan throat-singing group. it was great.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link
the river developments scare the f*ck out of me - did you know there is already a luxury condo tower with gated entry on SCOTTISH PIKE???
for those who don't know knoxville it's difficult to describe the cognitive dissonance here, but basically imagine a bunch of old wooden houses with porches and yards, scruffy but neatly tended, with all kinds of corny mailboxes and american flags out front, possibly a few rusted washing machines tucked by the side of the house, a dog on a chain... and you drive down to the end of this road and there's a fucking gate with an intercom and a tower of luxury condos and a parking lot full of SUVs
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, I am strongly opposed to the development South of the river. Haven't people learned you don't mess with Vestal?
xpost!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I am very happy to be moving back across the bridge (TO sokno).
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link
and er it's difficult to even discuss the housing development going on up behind UT hospital. have you guys driven up there to see that yet? i have never seen any engineering work that large with my own eyes. it looks like an open pit mine.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link
supposedly the people in charge of doing specifically the riverbank stuff have gotten a consulting group in who have made them be reasonable about the plans, including limiting the heights of the buildings and ensuring a mix of affordable housing. if it could be done right i'd be all for it. given the history of sokno development there is absolutely zero cause for optimism though.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
It's embarassing. Makes me very angry even visualizing it.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:41 (sixteen years ago) link
(Upthread I gave Nama the thumbs, but it's actually way too small and expensive, although it is open really late, which I like. Their ice cream sucks, but the staff is mostly people who give me free octopus, so what can you do?)
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link
hey roxy i don't want to be a damper on your encyclopedia of awesome knoxville newness!
what is brownies? (and why do they hate you?)
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link
my best source on the sokno development is a community-activist type who lives in island home and is sort of perpetually at odds with knoxville development plans, but she thinks the planning process and whatever has been about as good as it could be under the circumstances (circumstances being the normal influence of/deference to monied developers). and, you know, most of the south bank of the river has been mostly industrial for years anyway. i doubt the impact on the surroundings will be all that dramatic. it'll be like the condos over by the big aztec-temple hotel, a little self-contained world. the effect on the beer line at the sevier avenue pilot will be minimal. (although i also heard that someone's turning that J&J beer joint farther east into some kind of upscaley place, which made me sad. i never went in there, but i always liked driving by it. seemed like something out of suttree.)
i mean, i also still when i'm in knoxville miss the downtown of 10 years ago, because it was this sort of deserted place that we could make whatever we wanted to, and the things that were there seemed kind of significant just for being there. (plus they tended to be weird, like j's mega mart.) but having been part of the downtown activist brigade i can't really complain about downtown having actually taken off a little. it's always the conundrum of trying to rescue abandoned places and then the consequences when other people start to notice them. you can't control it past a certain point.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i just wonder where all these new people will GO, when they need to get some diapers or gasoline - and i think i know the answer: alcoa highway, NOT vestal
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link
probably. although you can get to the kroger on chapman highway pretty easily through vestal.
also speaking of knoxville and going corporate, my wife spotted a girl today on the upper east side today porting a bed, bath and beyond bag with a cynthia markert print jutting out of it.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link
(there's not really much to shop at in vestal anyway. there's that sav-a-lot on maryville pike i guess, if that still counts as vestal.)
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link
That's the main intersection in Vestal!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Brownie's is just a local in the heart of Vestal. They don't hate me, they just HATE having attention drawn to them...very paranoid about the interweb, as well.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i thought the main intersection in vestal was where king tut's is. but maybe that's too close to the river? i've always been hazy on the boundaries. vestal is one of those elusive places.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
That's right next to the Savway!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link
oh no i mean the other store -- farther out, toward montgomery village. is there a grocery store next to king tut's? i guess i'm just forgetting.
and do they still have vestival?
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
right, chapman highway is the obvious go-to for the riverfront developments, yeah
i guess my point is, yes, there's not a whole lot of small businesses there and it's too bad that a gazillion new residents right next door will probably do nothing to change that situation. it ought to be a vestal bonanza!
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:27 (sixteen years ago) link
What? All of these things you are mentioning are extremely close to one another.
Vestival still happens, yes, but it has been invaded by boring hippies.
xpost
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link
good old pease furniture
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:29 (sixteen years ago) link
aw i like knoxville hippies.
yeah i guess that stuff's all close together. it's just a mile in south knoxville can seem like a long way. nothing goes in a straight line.
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm sort of freaked out that the big auto junkyard next to the railway bridge seems to have closed its doors, it's been there for at least 30 years
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I always liked that place. You mean the one near the one lane underpass, on Ogle?
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link
(i think the one-lane underpass is what makes maryville pike seem distant from king tut's in my mind. like a secret passage or something.)
― tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link
no the one on blount ave, before you get to the baseball diamond if you're driving from town. it's built up around the overpass on the right hand side if you're driving that way. it seemed like the stacks of cars just carried on up into the hills and the woods and the kudzu. there's only a few cars left there now, though, and it's disconcertingly... TIDY
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Some Vestal pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/vestalsignsized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/faintinggoatssized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/savwaysized.jpg
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/roundhousesized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/peasesized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/onelanesized.jpg
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/montgomerysized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/kingtutsized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/headsized.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/browniesbarsized.jpg
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link
haha i have NEVER seen that vestal sign
the savway used to be a cas walker's, did you know that? same red and white facade, too. cas walker's entire business strategy was to set up supermarkets in poor neighborhoods and sell the lowest quality products possible.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha, lol @ Cas.
Also, that Vestal sign is right across the street from Vestal park. Ever been there?
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
great pics, roxy!!
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
yes i have! not in awhile though.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=W004
Thanks, Tracer!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link
dude i went to five points village plaza in june
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I wish Knoxville would get a good planetarium, though (delayed response to way-upthread thing mothra said).
xpost what on earth is that
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:53 (sixteen years ago) link
it's out MLK boulevard, it's supposed to be a hub to revitalize "the wrong side of the tracks". its biggest attraction is an IGA. i went because i had to renew my driver's license and the old courthouse doesn't do that anymore - and no way am i driving to east town(e) mall. i was the only white person i saw for about an hour. it sort of brought a whole lot home to me that i avoided thinking about for years, re: knoxville
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:57 (sixteen years ago) link
haha also i have been to the "we need your head in our business" barbershop, when i got back from london in 2004. irony overload: they cut OFF the mullet i received from a london hairdresser!
Haha, that's GREAT!! re: the mullet
I wonder if that IGA serves IGA burgers...
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 01:59 (sixteen years ago) link
A cool local guy has opened a thing called South Knox School of Sound directly next door to the "Need your Head in our Business" place/Pease furniture. They do good all ages shows and music lessons.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 02:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i hesitate to ask what goes into an IGA burger
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link
the arrowhead IGA - now some really creepy looking afterschool place - was where i honed the pacman and donkey kong skills that have made me so famous
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 August 2007 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link
this thread makes me feel like richard ford
haha
i am great at pacman too! i honed this at the longbranch, tho
― roxymuzak, Monday, 27 August 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link