Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

yes

every time I've seen or heard Hardwick deliver Dr Who trivia he gets it entirely wrong, but that's not a matter for this thread

actually wait, I just remembered an instance where it is, but I have to catch a plane

siege mentality is an aspirational lifestyle for these guys. it's a great fantasy... convince yourself that you're at war, and suddenly the exigency of war is available for you to act without thinking, and funnily enough your reflexive strategies turn out to be congruent with your desires.

you see it in MRWs, fundamentalists, anti-immigration politicians, gun nuts, preppers, police, libertarians... everywhere.

Here is the original article that quote was from. https://melmagazine.com/chris-hardwick-and-why-geek-culture-cant-shake-its-misogyny-c9eba7eb0952

besiegers who insist they're being besieged

I first assumed due to Doctor Who context that by "Mel article" you meant an op-ed by Bonnie Langford.

Nerd culture today is consumerism as religion, harassing women from Star Wars off social media, daily revelations of abuse, & VR billionaires creating tech to crush immigrants.

Meanwhile a football player protests violence against Black people & the President mocks him.

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) June 16, 2018

He has not denied that he blocked her from having friends, socialising on her own terms, having independent interests, TALKING IN PUBLIC, nor that he extensively conspired to have her denied multiple employment opportunities after breaking up.

yeah, I have said this before but the consequences that men are afraid will happen to them are the exact same consequences that have happened to women, on the same "he said" grounds, that just happen to be wrong strikingly more often, and which happen to often permanently ruin or at least detract from their personal and professional lives. shitty, aren't they?

also this is otm: I've also seen dudes insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem.

Dunno who this is, it’s just one example of this idiotic take coming into my timeline - yes nerd culture is the worst but I wish people would stop and think for one whole second before starting with this “turns out the JOCKS were the woke ones all along haha” nonsense, like yep no rape culture in *checks notes* football, no sir
― U. K. Le Garage (wins)

countering a narrative isn't the same thing as reversing it

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/16/17471082/amc-pulling-talking-with-chris-hardwick-talk-show-abuse-allegations

AMC has put him in the corner for the time being and he's been removed from this Comic Con panel.

insist that nerds are the problem in a self-distancing way that seems to ignore that men are the problem

That is an unfortunate imprecision of language, because it sweeps in every man, regardless of his thoughts, words or actions. As I understand it, the problem is behavior, not gender.

I get that oppressed people are not always required to speak with self-conscious precision about their oppressors. But precision and clarity do not hurt the cause of the oppressed; they can only help, imo.

Idk blunt linguistic force has a pretty good track record too

men need to stop talking about the men who are not the problem and fucking fix this (sorry aimless that’s probably not what you meant to say, but all our energy needs to go into making things better, not dwelling on exactly how many men are not to blame)

this week in melbourne a man raped and killed a woman who was walking home from a gig, and sooo much of the ensuing conversation has had a notallmen flavour to it, rather than going look, as men what can we do to stop this, how can we be role models, how can we identify enabling language/behaviours and call them out, how can we support women who just want to live their lives as safely as most men do

The only people who I would *maybe* listen to saying #notallmen are the problem are the five guys from Queer Eye, but they are too in empathetically in tune to run with that shit.

men need to stop talking about the men who are not the problem and fucking fix this

Sounds good!

But since I am a hermit who more or less sees my wife and daughter, with occasional extended family members, none of who tend to show disrespect towards women, I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task. I have no intention of thrusting my attentions on strange men to determine whether they hold troglodytic views about women, and even if they did, I am not sure I have the correct force at hand required to compel them to change their minds.

This seems like the weak link in the chain that will presumably lead us to paradise.

this week in melbourne a man raped and killed a woman who was walking home from a gig, and sooo much of the ensuing conversation has had a notallmen flavour to it, rather than going look, as men what can we do to stop this, how can we be role models, how can we identify enabling language/behaviours and call them out, how can we support women who just want to live their lives as safely as most men do

― karl wallogina (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, June 17, 2018 1:13 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I see ppl make this argument a lot but it feels like there's a circular quality to it, "instead of going #notallmen we should be talking about what we as men can do to fix the problem" - but then in practice, the version of 'what we as men can do to fix the problem' that's being advocated is mostly chiding other men for #notallmen-ing instead of talking about what we as men can do etc etc, so you get this endless cycle of #notallmen followed by #yesallmen followed by #notallmen etc that's just empty at the centre? I guess the counterargument would be that it's just firefighting, and if you eventually did get everyone to stop with the #notallmen-ing you could finally have a meaningful conversation about what men can do instead?

(idk if this is a conversation that would be better had in another thread, though?)

Maybe women keep chiding notallmen comments because we're really, really tired of how men somehow have to make *everything* about them, including playing ally and pointing out theyre good guys, instead of just listening to us?

I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task

then you could simply refrain from sealioning at women on the internet to tell them that #notallmen, as if you are explaining a new concept of which they were previously unaware

"sealion"?

"tuomas"

Keep going

Maybe women keep chiding notallmen comments because we're really, really tired of how men somehow have to make *everything* about them, including playing ally and pointing out theyre good guys, instead of just listening to us?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 17 June 2018 14:20 (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otfm, this is what i had been hoping to convey

"sealion"?

― flappy bird, Sunday, 17 June 2018 14:46 (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is a trolling tactic in which you pretend to miss someone's point and keep asking them to explain again and again and again until they give up on you, as a sort of passive-aggressive way of winning internet arguments. tbh i don't think sic used the term fairly against aimless at all.

aimless:

I am perplexed how I am supposed to go about this gargantuan task. I have no intention of thrusting my attentions on strange men to determine whether they hold troglodytic views about women

imo it's ultimately about (a) calling out misogynist/misguided bullshit when we come across it, explaining in a congenial way why it's bullshit; and (b) recognising that we should not make this about ourselves and instead fade into the background wherever possible, as trayce said; and also (c) and (d) and (e) and (f) and (g), which are various other ways we can quietly be good role models and help other people be better without making it all about us. (i want to say something about doing all this in the hope that we can get through to the sorts of men who will only listen to men, while making sure we don't trample all over the agency of women who of course are totally fine at doing all of this (because otherwise we just become a different part of the same problem), but i can't put it into words that don't sound ambiguous or fuckwitty)

soref:

so you get this endless cycle of #notallmen followed by #yesallmen followed by #notallmen etc that's just empty at the centre?

it's difficult to advocate for shutting the fuck up and fading into the background (popping up only when it's obvious we can do something to change attitudes/behaviours and/or look after victims) while also actively raising the issue in order to do so. sorry, i saw yet another notallmen forming upthread and sort of snapped a little bit.

(idk if this is a conversation that would be better had in another thread, though?)

i mean it is and it isn't, in that men's rancid behaviour is the whole reason for this thread.

but as trayce said, in general if we know when to shut up and listen, that is one of the best things we can do

IMO in this area, men shouldn’t even speak unless spoken to

Women get to tell their experiences of men’s terrible behavior

Men should wait to be called upon to answer

Just a side-note: at the place where I tutor/mentor, the volunteer pool seems to be about 5% male. If you're looking for a way to be a positive male role model for little guys before they have the chance to slide into a lifetime of shitty manhood, that's a relatively low-impact place to start.

ftr I wasn't accusing Aimless of wilfull trolling, but bursting into the thread in June 2018 to explain that actually, #notallmen - especially after a professional writer who is a woman quoted a man who had not been challenged for his original post - is aggressively obtuse.

way overdue but at least it got done

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-northwestern-university-bill-cosby-honorary-degree-20180618-story.html

Maynard James Keenan?

Deep breath. I have to anonymously tell this story because I tried to tell it from my real account and couldn't name him directly out of fear, so I deleted the tweets. Here goes: I was 17 and he was 36. 1/

— Iwas17HeWas36 (@IWas17HeWas36) June 23, 2018

Junot Diaz gives a very lawyered-up, crisis-PR-ed up interview.

framing of that piece is weirdly upsetting even as it purports to expand the conversation; maybe i'm projecting onto it

yea it is awful whatever the individual merits of diaz' claims are

ian connor was front row at the louis vuitton show. throw fashion in the trash

The experience isn't improved by the (possibly EU-only) page you get when you visit with a 60-point "We need your consent" banner.

god this fuckin' guy

The Man of Steel actor Henry Cavill has drawn severe criticism for comments about the #MeToo movement and rape in a new interview.

Cavill, who is currently promoting the forthcoming action film Mission: Impossible – Fallout, was speaking to GQ Australia when the interviewer asked how #MeToo had affected him.

“Stuff has to change, absolutely,” Cavill said, before adding: “There’s something wonderful about a man chasing a woman … I think a woman should be wooed and chased, but maybe I’m old-fashioned for thinking that.”

“It’s very difficult to do that if there are certain rules in place. Because then it’s like: ‘Well, I don’t want to go up and talk to her, because I’m going to be called a rapist or something.’”

“Now? Now you really can’t pursue someone further than, ‘No’. It’s like, ‘OK, cool’. But then there’s the, ‘Oh why’d you give up?’ And it’s like, ‘Well, because I didn’t want to go to jail?’”

Social media users have been quick to castigate Cavill for his views. One Twitter user suggested Cavill was “absurd” and that “if he doesn’t want to be called a rapist then all he has to do is ... not rape anyone.” Another asked: “When did the notion that being chased is a pleasant feeling become so universally accepted?”

That dude looks like IRL Robbie Rotten.

But then there’s the, ‘Oh why’d you give up?’

1. I don't quite believe any woman in the history of ever has said this.

2. Even if someone has, so what? One possibly apocryphal hypothetical missed opportunity vs. the demonstrable, well-documented harm of not taking no for an answer.

It's good to know that the threat of imprisonment does occasionally function as a deterrent for people who have no moral compass.

weinstein talked to TAKI, good lord talk about rats banding together

1. I don't quite believe any woman in the history of ever has said this.

“if he doesn’t want to be called a rapist then all he has to do is ... not rape anyone.”

it's sad how simple this is, really

Meanwhile, everyone's favorite

https://deadline.com/2018/07/harvey-weinstein-movie-jobs-sex-spectator-interview-rose-mcgowan-asia-argento-anthony-bourdain-1202426212/

Cavill was probably confusing harassment or stalking with rape, which is easy to do, when you aren't very bright and have never really thought about it for more than two seconds.

Well well

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/columnist-retracts-new-harvey-weinstein-interview-1127027?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

(This columnist is, BTW, the very horrible Taki.)

"You were born rich and privileged and you were handsome," Weinstein is quoted as saying to Theodoracopulos.

L M A OOOOOOOOOO

Theodoracopulos said in the story that he and Weinstein were reunited because Weinstein came to him with a "world exclusive" pitch about the relationship between Asia Argento and the late Anthony Bourdain.

what a piece of steaming shit he is