It takes a long time and a sustained, concerted effort to expose victims of sexual crimes to come forward. With Weinstein, there was a mountain of evidence and the story took years to reach a tipping point because of the stakeholders involved. That's because the stakeholders...are stakeholders in the very system that has evolved to intrinsically protect itself.
It's not only NDAs--which in Hollywood are legendarily tight--it's the threats of getting sued that would and should scare anyone against litigating or pressing charges. Defending yourself in a countersuit is cost prohibitive for the vast majority of accusers even outside of the entertainment world. And as noted by the silence of many, it's a bad for the career.
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
tabloid culture has survived for decades' worth of scandal, I'm sure it can outlast this.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
can NDAs be made constitutionally illegal? I know noncompetes are illegal or unenforceable in some jurisdictions.
― valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
popbitch's four-part series on american media (publishers of enquirer etc) was very good reading, if you haven't read it yet
http://popbitch.com/2017/10/the-united-states-of-american-media-inc/
also, ami is responsible for this new publication...https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-publisher-pal-puts-saudi-propaganda-magazine-in-us-supermarkets
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
NDAs are contracts between two parties so they couldn't be made "constitutionally illegal" in that way.
Noncompetes are very much enforced on a regular basis in many venues and most states have plenty of case law to support their enforcement, particularly in the past 20 years.
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
And by "enforced" I mean that lawyers have the confidence to sue, file injunction, etc. based on a failure to adhere to an NDA or noncompete.
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
really? last I'd heard, the majority of noncompete clauses don't hold up, unless they can prove trade secrets are in play
ah, now an x-post, and yeah... if you don't have the time or money for lawyers, noncompetes work
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
and unfortunately in Hollywood the other party is near-guaranteed to out-money you
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
bynes somewhere all but named schneider as her abuser (I found that yesterday while digging around) but I suppose no one cared?
― akm, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Is that from recently or awhile back?
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
are you talking about the crazy days and nights post?
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/03/blind-item-13-her-words.html
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
the thing is, with threads like that above, they're contaminated with either discredited stuff (people still using CDAN as a source despite their being debunked years ago) or outright conspiracy theory (people unironically bringing the Illuminati in)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2012/04/01/how-crazy-days-and-nights-fooled-hollywood/
sure, i mean there's literally a 'some of this stuff is fiction' disclaimer at the bottom of every page. anyway here's some more recent coverage
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/10/crazy-days-and-nights-enty-interview
https://www.thedailybeast.com/whos-next-the-mysterious-blind-item-king-who-exposed-weinstein-spacey-and-lauer-before-the-media
― maura, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
Like, I'm saying, that if someone can successfully connect the dots from the last 20 years of Perez Hilton/TMZ "hahahaha Britney/Lindsay/Amanda is such a TRAINWRECK" to "Children who suffer from sexual abuse often have tumultuous adulthoods and also that abuse came from inside the industry" it might cause some amount of reflection on just what the fuck we've been doing
otm + corey haim :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
no I saw it somewhere else. but maybe it was fake, dunno. let's think about this though: either there has been a concerted effort for years to bring down dan schneider fueled by the internet and people who hate him; or he's a fucking creep. his work speaks for itself and certainly lends credence to the latter.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
amanda bynes did tweet (then retract the tweets) about her dad being abusive, maybe that's what you're thinking of
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
like most gossip sites, CDAN gets things right sometimes. And the Post has been in the bag with publicists for years, so it's reasonable for wags and pimps to find useful tools to wage public battles over "truth" or "facts".
It was lore for a long time that they don't hold up because a) there wasn't much case law a couple of decades ago, b) it's still expensive for a company to sue, and c) enforceability/damages is more obvious in some industries than others. So, it's not that they don't "hold up" as much as most of the time, it's not worth it for a company to pursue it. If the damages are obvious however...
xp
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
tbh I looked at that CDAN site once this week and most of the blind items are vague enough that they could apply to a handful of people
maybe there's a strong nostradamus/stopped clock effect thing going on
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
"This B list former child star recently got out of rehab, but her friends think she's headed back"
― mh, Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
"I sense that you are worried about a loved one or relative whose name includes the letter... E"
― when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
An aside, but would be interesting to interview Michael Musto about the past year and blind items.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
Would love to know how he ever knows who is playing who
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
the celeb gossip industry's been going for ~100 years now and are likely making more money off exploiting people than ever i dont see them stopping
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
I noticed in the UK some of that press has been adapting to the current climate with lots of "LOOK AT THIS RAPIST MONSTER"-type covers.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 29 March 2018 09:43 (six years ago) link
profanity standards aside didnt Fatty Arbuckle get the same treatment in 1921?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 10:50 (six years ago) link
Like it may cause a fundamental rethinking of tabloid culture writ large
― Whiney G. Weingarten
peter thiel tried to warn us
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 March 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link
profanity standards aside didnt Fatty Arbuckle get the same treatment in 1921?it's about time this thread had someone show up to argue that every accusation is false and part of a conspiracy, now we can really get down to brass tacks
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Thursday, 29 March 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
Is that what you are about to do?
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
oh no :(
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
ugh. it was 1994 but you don't have to bring back EVERYTHING from the seventies...
― Nhex, Thursday, 29 March 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
damn it.
― how's life, Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
woah that is some fucked up and gross behaviour
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
very gross. fuck that.
i couldn't stomach the new R&S but as the article makes clear, he continued to work with so many different people on big projects. now it's like this sickness intertwined into the culture. hopefully that will end.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
"Call the police," indeed.
― how's life, Thursday, 29 March 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
that's a terrible story but this line:"Creators of shows including SpongeBob SquarePants, Adventure Time, and Rick and Morty have cited Ren & Stimpy as an influence" well, yeah, duh. I mean, would they deny that this was influential? I'm not saying 'separate the art from the artist' but it's like saying Woody Allen hasn't been influential. doesn't make him not a fucking creep.
― akm, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
it provides context for the many people who may be unfamiliar with a 25-year-old cult cartoon
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
And I don't think anyone, the creators or the author, were trying to make him any less of a creep.
― nickn, Friday, 30 March 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
his fame has to mentioned as part of explaining why he was able to get away with it in several instances and for so long; he is genuinely beloved by many animators and animation fans for his work.
― Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2018 04:27 (six years ago) link
the many people who may be unfamiliar with a 25-year-old cult cartoon
the new Micky Mouse cartoon is 100% a R&S ripoff. and as mentioned in the article, he recently did animation work for Weird Al and design work for Miley Cyrus. he was still getting work.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:15 (six years ago) link
Don’t forget the Bjork video!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
that one... not so recent
― mh, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
sorry, i was just caught up in naming John K stuff :(
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 30 March 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
sad sean penn story about his sad book and sad #metoo poem that he included in his book. someone put him on an island somewhere.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-penn-bob-honey-who-just-do-stuff-review_us_5ab9a1bee4b008c9e5fa89a2
― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
sorry if already linked to. you probably don't even need to look at it to be honest.
― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
he was still getting work.The Weird Al video was 12 years ago.
― just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
the Bangerz tour wasn't
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
His output has slowed down, but he enjoys a living-legend stature that prompted 3,562 people to fund a Kickstarter campaign for his short Cans Without Labels, which he screened at a prestigious animation film festival in 2016. He made art for Miley Cyrus’s 2014 Bangerz tour; he animated two credit sequences on The Simpsons, the most recent in 2015. His portrait still hangs on the wall at Nickelodeon.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 30 March 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
The article just came out yesterday.
― how's life, Friday, 30 March 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link