Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Ned shared this on twitter & it’s quite a read.
I always knew it could be gross but it’s awful
to see it laid out so plainly :(

https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/inside-country-radios-secret-history-of-sexual-harassment-w515439

You guys realize tv shows are not the singular product of their stars, right

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:48 AM (one hour ago)

Like, these are collaborative things. I don’t really think there’s tons to be gleaned from picking apart how his show was put together

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:49 AM (one hour ago)

who are you addressing

(and, though I similarly don't see that it's a fruitful line in this thread, since you brought it up: which show are you talking about that Aziz acts in and is not the co-creator, executive producer, co-showrunner, primary writer and sometimes director of?)

[there are 39 teleplay credits for Master Of None across 20 episodes; Aziz has 18, Yang has 15. He's directed 30% of the episodes.]

That NYT op-ed is such trash

ya Master of None was just as much of an 'auteur' show as Louis C.K.'s thing

Good (as usual) piece by Julianne Escobedo Shepherd:
https://jezebel.com/babe-what-are-you-doing-1822114753?rev=1516127284762

^^ That Shepherd piece is excellent:

Reporting on sexual violence and misconduct is an incredibly delicate undertaking that requires a working understanding about how best to do it. At its most basic level, this means that reporters must be careful not to re-traumatize subjects, which includes consideration of the ways that their reports will be received

...gets to the weird grodiness of the Babe article - exploiting trauma rather than reporting on it.

Yeah that definitely does agood job of expanding on misgivings abt the babe piece expressed upthread

The Babe piece is so surreal. It's a piece of gossip that they expanded during conversation. I hate it so much because it's making men all over be total assholes and terrible in all the ways they supposedly are against. I am still super bothered by the completely immature wine critique.

Shepherd piece is great, best point of access to this particular branch of the story imo

hoo boy i made a real mistake scrolling down to the comments on that jezebel piece

people are so cruel

Here's the full email the https://t.co/YZ14Jca6FS reporter who wrote the Aziz Ansari story sent when asked to go on HLN with @TVAshleigh. It is really something.https://t.co/qTca5xA9m0 pic.twitter.com/usZBm0KnIr

— Max Tani (@maxwelltani) January 17, 2018

so far, not too shabby

Props to whichever editor wrote the headline for that, hard to get a concept like "Read the email the writer behind the Aziz Ansari sexual misconduct story wrote slamming an HLN anchor who criticized her" into just 20 words.

tbh i have never heard of HLN until that tweet

I swear, I can't believe people use "no holds barred" seriously. But she is 22 and not aware of the Hulk Hogan movie.

maybe not *too* shabby but still: pretty shabby

i’m surprised she didn’t include “pantsuit” and “chunky heels” in her ad hominems, jfc

There is a reason you have other people read important emails.

there do not seem to be many winners in this ansari situation

appreciated that jawnita essay, have to let it sit with me some more

HLN is the channel next to CNN on cable, no? CNN Headline News?

"Ashleigh, someone who I am certain nobody under the age of 45 has heard of, I hope the 500 retweets on the single news write up made that burgundy lipstick, bad highlights, secondwave feminist has-been really relevant for a little while,"

Seriously?

A world where a putatively feminist journalist can’t see the problem in attacking another woman for her age and appearance is a world I no longer understand. And I am only 28.

there's a lot of light between 22 and 28

there do not seem to be many winners in this ansari situation

Anyone who wanted to disperse any of the momentum gained since Weinstein broke.

"I'm 22 and so far, not too shabby!"

Ms. Way's email isn't very mature.

I guess that's an understatement.

I swear, I can't believe people use "no holds barred" seriously. But she is 22 and not aware of the Hulk Hogan movie.

― Yerac, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

using it is one thing, but what is the meaning in this context.

The entire email is embarrassing but all I could picture at the end was the Hulk Hogan movie so it lent a certain ending flourish to an already terrible email.

it's not that obscure a phrase? maybe you're just really into that movie.

We need to talk about you associating a common phrase with a decades old movie

what til Yerac finds out that Pastamania dates back to Renaissance Italy :/

Ha! I think I have never heard anyone ever use that phrase non-ironically. She should've ended with Cowabunga!

Whoops that wasn't a word. I don't even know what I mean. I am so threadbare from reading about the gymnastics trial.

I think the email probably reflects the writer’s ideology just fine. She’s not young or naive she just thinks differently from people we’d usually think of as progressive. She probably sees, in Ashleigh Banfield, an image of privilege and thinks she’s “punching up” and that’s what you’re supposed to do.

The email is again indicative of Babe maybe not being a mature or credible publication for breaking stories on sexual assault, or perhaps not thinking through their material as much as their sources might require

Right. Banfield should have attacked the websote and the journalist in the first place, not “Grace” who is just someone who was mistreated (by Ansari) and then exploited (by Babe).

gotta say the burgundy lipstick burn is extremely generationally cutting

"no holds barred" is a common phrase that no one associates with hulk hogan except for you

Burgundy Lipstick Burn (feat Jeremih)

hopefully feminism can survive some dude posting the internal email squabbles among two women to Business Insider

Lol it’s true. That might be the sleaziest and most pointless reveal of this entire episode.

But i think it was Banfield who first brought those out in the open.

FWIW I had no idea what HLN was until I read the above tweet/email

ok ok guys you dont consume cable news media we get it

i would if anyone suggested it were worthwhile in any way! it's not, is it?

no

it’s just that naif “i dont even own a tv” shit that rubs me the wrong way

nevermind

forget i said anything

gtfo you guys "i've never heard of HLN" it's not new

i would if anyone suggested it were worthwhile in any way! it's not, is it?

you sound like comic book guy

holy shit that letter is so stupid

lol i knew of CNN Headline News but was unaware that they'd rebranded that channel as HLN . . . a decade ago. i suspect it will last a good while longer than babe dot net does

also the next time my cat does something bad i'm gonna call her a second-wave feminist