I HATE APPLE

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xp no afaict the FS is fine in the abstract.

but the FS interacts with userland, and every time it does it inspires no confidence.

and the difficult time low level fs devs have had with with APFS itself (e.g. read back through http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/index.php/shadedgrey/C5/) suggests there is, at best, a lack of documentation and communication that doesn't bode well for their bandwidth to solve bigger problems.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link

apple is making some huge mistakes. i don't know what i'd do if my 2012 macbook pro died and i needed to replace it. the new macbooks are so unattractive maybe i'd just say fuck it and go back to using a PC (something i haven't done since my sophomore year of college).

Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link

at a conference this weekend I was chairing a session & needed to find a laptop to hook up to the projector. someone offered a new macbook but the normal method of copying slides from people's usb keys (which speakers were naturally prepared to do) wouldn't work bc evidently the new macbook doesn't take usb unless you have an adaptor?

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link

otm the mac line needs some serious work, should have kept at the least one legacy USB port

but yeah Euler, it has a USB port, but it's type C, whereas nearly every device that's not a screwed up camera or cell phone uses A

'A' completely sucks in its own ways but it's the ad hoc standard because memory sticks are ubiquitous

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link

wow yeah that's nuts, do they know/care how much people use usb keys?

I'm on board with smaller / thinner but a usb port's a lot different than e.g. a parallel port

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link

the answer was, apparently, no

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link

xp i'm unhappy enough with this new macbook pro that i've been looking at dell xps and precision laptops but i find the build process extremely confusing

the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link

i use my usb port every single day. i use it to backup my computer, i use to plug in my gaming controller, i use it to add books to my kindle, or charge a device. i really do not understand what they thinking by eliminating it.

Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

tbf to apple w/r/t usb sticks i think they (rightly) believe that they are on their way out, given that nowadays most people are on wifi with gmail or stuff is on a shared drive or they can airdrop etc

the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

all of the other laptop makers still pretty much suck in their own ways. my work one is a Dell one and I'd rate it as checking all the boxes of what I need, but it'd sure be nice if it had the high DPI screen and trackpad of a Mac

the market seems to be half tablet-like laptops with high resolution screens, sometimes with touch control, and shitty keyboard/trackpads. the other half is trad laptops with relatively low resolution screens and boxy-ass designs

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link

at conferences not everyone has eduroam so we have to deal with asking for temp permission to them to get wifi; usually speakers are international so they don't necessarily have 3/4g access either, and anyway they'd have to tether their laptops...it's such a hassle when we can just pop in the usb key instead.

my kids in hs/middle school use their usb keys daily bc the computer labs at school require them---they don't have "shared cloud space" or whatever. then they work on stuff at home and bring it back to school on their keys. gmail won't replace this.

I still don't know what the use situation for airdrop is

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link

people said the exact same things about floppy drives, honestly, they always do this xxps

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link

the best overall feature set on a Windows laptop is probably the Microsoft ones, which brings up a lot of philosophical questions

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

I think comparing the usb problem to the floppy drive is exactly what Apple's mindset was, and I think it's not a good comparison

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

I think ditching usb was fine. The problem is that the usb-c peripheral market is a disaster.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link

anyway I use my personal laptop at home for maybe 30 minutes a week at this point, Macs are basically a work concern for me, which means I don't care as much

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link

the best computer in 2017 is the Nintendo Switch

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

if Nintendo made a phone I'd buy it

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

they might be right that usb is going to be gone soon but we're nowhere near that point. if i want to use my playstation controller wirelessly w/ my macbook - DESPITE it being bluetooth compatible so that it can work wirelessly with my playstation - i need to plug in a bluetooth transmitter thingie into my usb port. if they want to kill the usb port they better make sure everything is set up to accommodate ppl who need it.

Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link

i've been using osx since the public beta. i know things have never been perfect. and the situation has been worse than it is now. but the software situation is getting worse, and the hardware situation is not good (and the mac line is a disaster).

It's really bad from where I'm standing. I'm using my W7 PC more and more and work because fuck it, it works.

Bring back Forstall and Serlet, imo

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Apple is absolutely and unquestionably going in the wrong direction. Poor vision, decreasing quality, increasing prices, failure to execute.

— Bob Burrough (@bob_burrough) October 22, 2017

stet, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

you could easily just buy a shitload of $3 usb A-to-C adapters and put them in a bucket in a computer lab or leave one next to the podium. such is the march of interface

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

xp my HS physics and chemistry students use google docs and google sheets at home and then just keep using google docs and sheets when they get to school, it's a good system

not sure if i was teaching another subject (like coding or whatever) if it would work as well

the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

what's even the point? so it's an extra 1/10th of an inch thinner and i get to tote around adapters?? who was clamoring for a v slightly thinner macbook experience?

Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link

ideally this will end with me not using any computers, other than getting me into high-paying jobs without having to work hard at it they've ruined my life

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link

xp this is neither here nor there as we use PCs at school so they can use their USB keys if they feel like it

the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link

I think the main draw for USB C is that it sucks incrementally less and is in theory a more robust interface

there's nothing stopping them from putting one C and one A connector on a laptop, or even, god forbid, three or four ports other than their hardware design philosophy

I just know the largest Dell laptop, which is usually aesthetically a dump truck, probably has like six different USB ports, a VGA port, HDMI, and at least one port I can't even identify because their enterprise customers demand it

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link

i'm looking at the side of my macbook pro and ... it looks too thin for usb-A

the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link

here we go, on a Dell you get:
1. 3-in-1 SD card reader | 2. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A | 3. Ethernet | 4. Security N Lock| 5. Power adapter | 6. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-Cβ„’ (DP/Power Delivery) | 7. HDMI out | 8. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A with PowerShare | 9. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A | 10. Audio

So uh, one USB C, and three USB A ports with varying features that I can't decipher

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link

my work windows 7 PC is remarkably bulletproof. it's good.

my home media PC with windows 10 or w/e is okay but it's full of microsoft upsell crap.

my iMac, it's good but i don't really use it for anything other than paying bills and occasional photo editing. i read/do most things on an iDevice or while i'm at work on my work computer

龜, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link

in other words, i'm fully on board 'the Personal Computer is dead' train

龜, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link

my latest reason for hating apple is that i took a video in landscape mode but can't figure out how to rotate it to portrait mode for easy viewing on twitter without downloading a zillion third party apps

龜, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link

I reckon the next series of Black Mirror should have an episode where the only way you can write anything is using predictive text on a tiny touchscreen.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

yeah windows 7 at work, 4-y-o HP laptop, fucking flies, Photoshop opens in like 4 seconds. totally solid. HDD. puts my mini in the shade.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

Photoshop has run faster on PCs for years I think. Something about ancient code base on the Mac version.

Alba, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link

i guess that's it. everything else is just really fast too though (relatively). windows explorer vs finder, opera vs opera, outlook vs mail.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link

my coworkers have made the point that the last few Windows 10 updates have really tightened up the core OS, crediting the fact Microsoft's been working really hard on getting things working for cloud deployment -- if you have virtualized servers running at scale, you really have to have your shit together

the user experience in Windows 10 is still a complete mixed bag, but ehh

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link

I get the impression that the Windows kernel and shell orgs are basically good at their job, and Marketing insists on crapping things up to justify their own existence and the fact that you still ostensibly have to pay for Windows

.oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link

also i didn't think it was possible but apple made the podcasts app worse. worse!!

龜, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link

agreed. new podcasts app is garbage. can't find anything.

Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link

imo they should integrate the GUI team and the hardware team

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/surface-book-2/8MCPZJJCC98C/TC4H

specs-wise, this is... good? just make one without a touchscreen and with a good-ass keyboard and trackpad and I'm in

I have the microsoft surface desktop keyboard, and it's good! they can make good ones, I think the surface books use some soft surface tablet keyboard bullshit though

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

has apple ever had a good podcast app, on anything

mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

i updated my moms iphone iOS when she visited a few weeks back and she was almost in tears with how bad the podcast app update was. "i had it just the way i liked it why would they do this? who cares about these big pictures?"

Spottie, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

yeah i wouldn't be surprised if the podcasts update actually hits publishers' stats

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 October 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link

this... doesn't address the core issue, but pocket casts is great and definitely worth the money

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:47 (six years ago) link

(ios app)

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 09:47 (six years ago) link

Is there anything I'm missing from Overcast?

Alba, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 10:58 (six years ago) link

what do you mean?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:03 (six years ago) link

i've never used overcast but they seem to be more or less on par. if overcasts is working for you, probably no need to change.

i was using icatcher for years, but its ui is like being punched in the face and just keeps getting worse. buy it if you hate yourself.

rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:04 (six years ago) link

I don’t think so, they are pretty similar. I have a slight preference for pocket casts. They are both light years better than the podcast app.

Jeff, Tuesday, 24 October 2017 11:06 (six years ago) link


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