Freaks & Geeks Soundtrack Moment OPO

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Since I can only pick one, I'll pick The Cars's "Good Times Roll" playing while the geeks are riding their bikes looking for "the garage door." I hope you guys pick some other good ones.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

the Who "I'm One" - Bill watching Shandling while eating his dinner of grilled cheese by himself. heartbreakingly awesome.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, that haverchuck one.

"gonna raise hell", in the car on halloween.

nick's awe and incredulity listening to gene krupa & buddy rich's "the monster" (quite literally a monster).

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link

OP3

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Nick singing "Lady" to Lindsay.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm gonna have to second Lady

JaXoN Hole (JasonD), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Nick & Millie singing "Jesus is Just Alright With Me" and everyone going home at night, esp. Lindsay looking at Barry, after the Schweiber's party to "You're Nobody (Til Somebody Loves You)"

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

J Geils' "Flamethrower" in the store where what's his name goes to buy his blue polyster one-piece leisure suit or whatever it is. (Part of the reason this gets my vote is because "Flamethrower" was ONLY a dance hit in early '80s Detroit, thanks to Electrifying Mojo. By the way, has anybody talked much about the historical accuracy of a lot of the show? I graduated from West Bloomfield High School in 1978, and I've been to the bowling alley disco at Orchard Lake and Maple -- at least, I'm pretty positive that's the one in the show. Are there any instances in the show where anybody spells out what suburb, exactly, they're located in? I'm really curious about that. What school did the main show creator guy graduate from? There are a couple people with his last name in my old yearbooks; I checked.)

(Honorable mention: April Wine!)

(And you guys have all seen the website where the freaks review '70s albums, right? It's pretty funny; somebody should link to it.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, the Freaks' record reviews are high-larious.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

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They claim the show was shot in LA.

You mean these reviews?

(And let me just add, I'm honored to have chuck and Shakey agree on something here on my thread.)

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Link doesn't quite work. After you get there, click on "The Freaks & The Geeks" on the left, then click on "Nick and Daniel's Album Reviews."

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

(Well, where it was shot is not where it's "set," obviously.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link

"Millions of years from now, people (or whatever are around then — maybe super-intelligent monkeys like in “Planet of the Apes”) will put on “Shot Down In Flames” and say “Man, I wish I lived millions of years ago so I could have partied with Angus Young, Malcolm Young, Bon Scott, Phil Rudd and Cliff Williams!”

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost:
That's true. All I know is, on the commentary tracks on the DVD, they made a lot of noise about having to keep palm trees out of the shots. And another guy said he was from Syosset, so even though the show was set in Michigan, it was always Long Island to him. This was in reference, of course, to the Billy-Joel-heavy episode about shooting rockets with the pretty transfer student. In any case, they could well have built a set based on the disco bowling alley of your youth.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I've already picked mine, but here's a hint for someone else- the opening sequence of "Boyfriends and Girlfriends" makes more sense if you realize that it was originally meant to follow directly after "I'm With The Band" - the "Carded and Discarded" episode was inserted bewteen them after the fact as sort of a "second pilot."

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

XTC's -- No Language In Our Lungs during the geeks' baseball game. I know it's mentioned on the commentary; but it's one of my favorite songs and an absolutely brilliant moment of an absolutely brilliant episode.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link

butt patter

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Neil as Shatner reading the list on the outtakes = comic genius.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

has anybody talked much about the historical accuracy of a lot of the show
Yeah. The funny thing is, a few people on the other thread complained about historical inaccuracy, but I graduated high school three years after you did (on the East Coast), and aside from one extremely minor quibble, I really didn't find any mistakes.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Cardhouse has a few complaints about F&G historical accuracy; scroll down to February 13.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

those are some pretty stupid/insanely minor complaints. They acknowledge the "day for night" thing in the commentaries and explain why they had to shoot the episode that way.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

That guy is completely right about trick-or-treating only after dark and about no designated drivers and Devil's Night (on the show is it the night before Halloween? I forget; it *should* be); his "Farmer Jack's" complaint, while technically accurate, seems kinda nit-picky. And yeah, I was wondering about "Hot Dog on a Stick"; just figured it was something I'd forgotten, or never saw back then. I have no idea whether it actually existed or not. There are musical innacuracies, too; most of the music is way more mid-to-late '70s than early '80s. (Who the hell listened to Foxy in, what, 1982 or 1981 or whenever it is?) But since my suburban Detroit high school career went 1974-1978, I kind of *like* those innacuracies, I guess. (Now I'm trying to remember what kind of punk rock haircut that the record store {or whatever} girl at the Detroit club that was clearly supposed to be Bookie's had...There weren't a hell of a lot of Mohawks back then, but I guess her hair wasn't quite in the Mohawk category, right?)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

she's got some spikes goin, I think. That episode's weird, the punk stuff has a total LA-vibe to me (as opposed to, uh, the Dead Boys...? I'm not up on my early midwest punk). maybe that's just cuz they use Black Flag. Black Flag on network television = stunning

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

OK Chuck, here was my extremely minor quibble that I raised on the other thread: when the marching band plays "25 Or 6 To 4" Nick makes a comment and then Ken says "Why would you even know that song?" I don't understand why somebody like Ken would claim not to know that song, unless there is some regional thing I'm not getting.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

That streaking scene! I don't know what song it was or who does it (guy lambardo maybe? I don't even know who that is, but the name floats into my head); the lyrics have like "one step beyond!" or something in them. It's a perfect scene, anyway. Also Little Green Bag for when the main character chick smokes weed.

Dan I., Monday, 28 February 2005 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Madness "One Step Beyond".

They invented ska, you know.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link

They should have used Negative Approach or the Necros instead!! Hardcore was INVENTED in Detroit (and, um, Maumee.)(Heck, I bet Barry Hennsler would even have done a guest spot, if they'd asked him.)

And the marching band should have played "Smoke on the Water."

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chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

xxpost:
That's "One Step Beyond" by Madness. On the commentary they talk about trying to get their composer guy (who appears as the lead guitarist of Dimension when Nick auditions in "I'm With The Band") to do a knock-off, but he comes back in frustration saying he can't do it, so they have to pay full price for the real thing.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

But Black Flag have been on network TV before, haven't they? (*Quincy,* maybe? Hell, they played Bikini Kill on *Rosanne* once, I think...)

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chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

if Black Flag were ever on TV before, I never saw it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

As for the Chicago song, I assume the point is just that Chicago weren't hard-rocking enough for Ken to know (even though "25 or 6 to 4" is a pretty hard-rocking song, actually.) Don't Chicago get made fun of as a goody-goody soft-rock band in some other episode, too?

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe. But I thought that camp would have liked Chicago because of the "musicianship," IIRC.

And the marching band should have played "Smoke on the Water."
Really? Here is the first of four ILM testimonials to the contrary.

That "Quincy" punk rock episode is great.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I lived down the street from the high school, and I heard our band practicing "Smoke on the Water" CONSTANTLY. Like EVERY DAY. They may well have also known "25 or 6 to 4"; I'm not sure. But "Smoke in the Water" is definitely the one that sticks in my memory banks.

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Did you develop a crush on a tuba girl?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

25 or 6 to 4 is a superior marching band tune to smoke on the water because SotW sounds plodding and amateurish no matter how skilled your band is while exactly the opposite is true of 25o6t4. Our band sucked, but we never sounded as good as when we played 25 or 6 to 4 ('course, I was one of the trumpet guys so I'm prob. biased).

Dan I., Monday, 28 February 2005 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyway, I don't wanna quibble about that; I like "25 or 6 to 4" fine - I just don't remember my high school band doing it. (And I do remember my high school band plodding, so I don't know that plod would = innacuracy!) There's still nothing I noticed in *Freaks & Geeks* as ridiculously innacurate as, say, the homoerotic fraternity-spanking scene in *Dazed and Confused* (though admittely I didn't go to school in Texas, where homoerotic fraternity spankings may well have been more common.) I do want to mention, though, the bizarreness of the scene in the disco, where the DJ mentions that the precious Rolling Stones had just put out a disco record, presumably "Miss You" - when, no they didn't, they'd put it out years earlier, in 1978 (and done other disco-like stuff before even then). (Which, again, was part of my late '70s vs. early '80s point. There's a difference. In fact, by the early '80s, the bowling alley disco at Maple and Orchard Lake should have been playing "Rock Lobster" and "Whip It"!)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, he should have said "Emotional Rescue" instead.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Monday, 28 February 2005 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link

"Look Sharp" by Joe Jackson, playing while Sam struts down the hall in his Parisian night suit

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

by the early '80s, the bowling alley disco at Maple and Orchard Lake should have been playing "Rock Lobster" and "Whip It"!
You're right, but the show starts in 1980 so presumably it follows the course of a school year from Fall 1980 to Spring 1981. Would the full-blown 80s really have set in by then? "Rock Lobster" came out in 1979, but so did "Bad Girls." In any case, the disco sequence is in the very last episode, and in some ways

The Last Few Episodes of Freaks & Geeks = Third Season Star Trek: The Original Series.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Perhaps that's a bit harsh.

I had another question. Someone mentioned on the other thread the scene where Mr. Rosso plays "I'm Eighteen" by "Mister Alice Cooper" and Nick comes out of his office and says "Guys, Mr. Rosso is really talented on the guitar. Some of those chords he played were really complicated" or something like that. Now, I'm not a guitar player, but as far as I can tell, he was basically playing an open E and some C and D barre chords, which doesn't seem extremely advanced. Further evidence to the contrary, I am assuming this is part of the gag, that Nick is basically flying blind in his musical pursuits without any real support, until perhaps Mr. Weir plays the Rich/Krupa stuff for him.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link

the third season of Star Trek is much maligned (even by the people responsible for it like the producers and the actors), but I gotta say, there's some real gold that season: May That Be Your Last Battlefield, the space hippies, Spock's Brain, Plato's Stepchildren.

tho I do agree the last three episodes of F&G have a sort of rushed "oh shit lets squeeze every idea and storyline we never quite got around to into these three episodes!" kind of feel.

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SPOCK'S BRAIN!!!!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

>Spring 1981. Would the full-blown 80s really have set in by then?<

Absolutely. If by "full-blown '80s" you mean skinny ties and dance-oriented new wave. As for "Rock Lobster" coming out in 1979, that's true, but it stuck around suburban Detroit dancefloors (at least ones I remember) a lot longer than Donna Summer (who I actually prefer) did; in fact, by 1981, even the FUNK station in Detroit (WGPR -- again, Electrifying Mojo) was probably playing at least as much B-52s and Devo (and Gary Numan and Kraftwerk and J Geils and Billy Squier etc, and Prince and Kurtis Blow etc.) as Donna Summer (at least at night). (Actually, by 1981, the clubs and radio may have been playing "Private Idaho" instead, come to think of it. And people also would have been dancing to "Turning Japanese." I really think so.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link

that these kids seem like clueless 70s-rock holdovers in a just-dawning 80s world is part of its charm, to me. It makes even the "cool" freaks seem kinda dorky ("the Who? Haven't they heard of DEVO?!")

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link

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If the Space Hippies had come to McKinley I predict they would have called Neil a "Herbert" and "reached" with Gordon Crisp. Maybe they would even have appreciated Nick's musical efforts.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:49 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, Nick can really SOUND!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I was a freshman in high school in 1980, and would have been in Sam and Neil and Bill's high school class. The music seems pretty much right on, as I'm not a trainspotter on this score. We don't remember this now, but in those pre-Internet times a group wasn't OVER as soon as they released a new record; FM radio meant longer shelf-life for songs/acts/genres.

I kind of like the whole dynamic wherein: freaks : music :: geeks : comedy. If the young guys had been into music, there would have been a lot more "new wave" action on the show.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Right -- well, I'm not denying that kids still listened to Styx and Nugent and Seger etc. in the early '80s; of course they did. (I NEVER remember the Who being a big deal with anybody at my high school -- they seemed like old news, at least until punks discovered "My Generation" -- but maybe that's just my own experience. On the other hand, I did show up at my high school once and somebody had written WELCOME TO THE GRAND ILLUSION across the front of the school - true story!) And obviously none of these kids would have been listening to WGPR; no way. But they wouldn't have suddenly been discovering Foxy (who are great, by the way), either (not at home, and not in a disco).

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chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

ALL the metal-heads in my Oregon high school were into the Who's older stuff.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Really? Wow. Our metalheads were totally Kiss/Nuge/Aerosmith. The Who would have been big brothers' music, like the Beatles or somebody. Black Sabbath, by the way, inasumuch as I remember, did not EXIST - not on the radio, not anywhere. But then I wasn't much of a music fan then, so maybe I didn't notice; supposedly there were luded out burns who liked them, but maybe I just hid from those kids and pretended they didn't exist. And I didn't really start listening to the rock stations (WRIF, WABX, and WWWW in Detroit) until new wave 1979. Never heard any Sabbath then; didn't hear them on the radio til '81 or so (and when I did, it was late at night, and they scared me shitless.)

Also, I wish that the freaks read *Creem*! That would have been very cool (and very accurate, though, okay, maybe *Circus* would have been even more accurate). (By the way, has anybody mentioned that the REAL freaks on the show are the scary bullies who are always picking on the geeks? Which scary bullies are, sadly, never really fleshed out.)

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link

well, Alan gets pretty well fleshed out. The fat guy (the one who yells BURNOUT! at Lindsay) sadly, does not. I knew that guy in high school and I fucking hated him.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, Nick can really SOUND!
I have a feeling there would be a territorial pissing contest between Mr. Rosso and the interstellar counterparts to his youthful self.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

the 'bullies' play D&D with the geeks, give them a porno, apologise fr the sister egging them, consult harris fr advice, reassure sam (semi-comically) tht they'll look after his sister &c. it's only really kim kelly (and her hispanic one-episode friend) tht bullies the geeks.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

???? no, the FREAKS do those things; the freaks are totally nice (except, yeah, kim kelly sometimes). I'm talking about the OTHER bullies (who are the real outcasts on the show; I wish we knew more about them).

chuck, Monday, 28 February 2005 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link

shed a tear for the misunderstood abusive fat guy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 February 2005 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, apologies chuck, misread fr a moment.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

So this thread has now completely morphed from Great Musical Moments in F&G to Why Did They Pull Their Punches Vis-A-Vis Sadistic Bullying On F&G? I'd rather stick to the other thread sidetrack- F&G Meets The Cast of Star Trek, TOS. Sample Episode: Cafeteria On The Edge of Forever: In Which Captain Kirk Demonstrates The Art Of Courtship To Bill By Moving In On Ms. Foote During Bill's Convalescence And Mr. Spock Wows The Freaks With A Demonstration Of Future State Of The Art Carburetor Technology.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link

don't make me go look for f&g slash.

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

fascinating.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link

What is, Shakey?

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don't make ME go look for f&g axl!

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link

yr Cafeteria on the Edge of Forever synopsis looked like it required my favorite Spock "catchphrase".

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, I see. Perhaps a raised eyebrow emoticon would have helped (if such a thing exists), if not an mp3 soundbite of the bass lick that is the Mr. Spock theme music.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Here's another stab: All The World's A Stage: In Which Captain Kirk, Pretending To Be A Visiting Geek Uncle, Hams It Up At The McKinley High Christmas Pageant, While Neil, Trapped On Board The Enterprise, Does His Best Shatner Imitation In Order To Save The Ship/The Earth/The Universe. Meanwhile, Mr. Spock Helps Improve The Order Flow At The A1 Sporting Goods Store And Dr. McCoy Chastely Romances Bill's Mom.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 02:47 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, I found one other tiny potential accuracy quibble- the math competition. We never stood up and answered the questions orally like the did on the show- it seems more like a spelling bee to me the way they did it. I'm assuming they made this change because everbody thought it would be boring to film people filling out little pieces of paper, plus then you wouldn't get to hear the math. But I could be wrong. Was anybody a mathlete in that part of the country? Chuck?

Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 13 March 2005 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"where anybody spells out what suburb, exactly, they're located in?"

the show takes place in Chippewa, wherever that is (this tidbit is dropped at the beginning of the "punk" episode when Ken wonders why anyone would drop out of school and then "stay in Chippewa")

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

They also make some reference to Lindsay's dad's store being out on 18 mile (in the episode where Reagan comes to visit), so I assume this is a reference to what suburb of Detroit it is supposed to be set in. (Appears to be Sterling Heights?)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link

(please note I have zero understanding of the actual geography of the Detroit/Michigan area)

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't either, but I had heard of the infamous 8 Mile, so I figured it out from there via google.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link

>Was anybody a mathlete in that part of the country? Chuck?<

I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school; I don't *think* any other suburban Michigan schools had them then (because if they did, I'm sure West Bloomfield would have, too), though I could be wrong. (Either way, am I the only one who thinks it's weird that none of the matheletes are male? And my daughter Coco, who is 15, likes the show a lot but is pissed that there are really no *female* geeks on it; the only *hint* otherwise, in almost the entire series, is one scene where one of the mathelete gals at a table in the cafeteria makes a one-off joke about asotopes - though I guess Millie or Tuba Girl might sort of count; depends what your definition is {not to mention how strict your definition of "girl" is, I guess, in Tuba's case). Either way, I agree that Lindsey is never convincingly either geeky or post-geeky; Coco says she's just whiney, and generally can't stand her. Though I say she's at least not as whiney as Angela Chase on *My So Called Life* was.) (NO girls on Freaks and Geeks are anywhere near as interesting as Rayanne Graf, though, I don't think. Though then again, who is?)

Um, there is one scene where the bowling alley disco is identified as being on 15 Mile, which = Maple Road, which is where the one on Orchard Lake Road on the border of Farmington Hills & West Bloomfield would have been. Chipewa is a non-existent place, I am 99.9999 per cent sure. 18 Mile would be pretty far out -- Milford, Walled Lake, Waterford, Utica, maybe? Though that's only if this is Northern Oakland County. I'd think Sterling Heights would be way closer to Detroit than 18 Mile (if there actually is an 18 Mile Road in real life - I forget), though I could be wrong. Don't have a map handy.

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link

And anyway, Sterling Heights, from what I've seen, looks more grimey and less lawn-manicured than the neighborhood on the show. (Though that may have been different circa 1981, I guess.) (And come to think of it, where the freaks on the show seem to live is more rednecky and rural-looking than where Lindsey's family lives. TOTALLY could be Keego Harbor to the more affluent non-freaks' West Bloomfield -- I actually think the show depicts class distinctions pretty well.) (The Keego Harbor of *Home Improvement* looked NOTHING like Keego Harbor, by the way, though we were told that's where that '90s show was set.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

(and by "where the freaks live", i mean burnout slutgirl kelly and the guy who spends early episodes imitating vinnie barbarino then winds up liking punk, not the one whose dad is a military officer and who winds up liking disco. my favorite freak by far -- in fact, possibly my favorite character on the show, give or take the ex-geek dungeons and dragons kid -- is the deadpan-sarcastic freak who winds up liking tuba girls, but i don't think we ever see where he lives.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Googling of fan pages tells me that the the guy from Detroit, Paul Feig, graduated from Chippewa high school, which was in Sterling Heights I think.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, Ken's the one central character who's home/family we *never* see.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link

That's a good point. Presumably they were saving that for second season, but no mention is made on any commentary I heard.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link

I get the feeling they weren't sure where to take his character, and the tuba girl episode was them really taking a first crack at it (that episode's pretty good, tho its kinda getting into Degrassi Jr High territory - actually my fave scene is the one where Chowkevski "comes out", which was inexplicably cut from the actual episode). Obviously they had a better handle on the rest of the Freaks from the get-go, whereas Ken seemed to be there just to provide one-liners.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, in fact at one point I was surprised that he was featured in the opening credits. They seemed to have liked the guy- I never watched it, but apparently he was in "Undeclared."

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, I saw a couple episodes of "Undeclared", it just didn't quite work, the format was too short for any of the characters to really do much (and I think Feig and Co. say this on one of the commentaries). Cuz it was 30 minutes, but it wasn't staged like a sitcom.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school
Would you have egged them on Halloween if they had existed?

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 14 March 2005 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

x-post to Chuck

My wife also complained about the heavily-female-slanted Mathletes team, saying that in reality it would all have been guys (tho I should point out there ARE a couple male Mathletes shown in the series). The Mathletes plotline seems to be an amalgamation of a lot of different acamedic "competitions" that go on in high school (Academic Decathlon, Mock Trial, etc.), rather than anything in particular - as such I think it should be forgiven whatever factual lapses it contains. It def. provides a lot of great scenes (mostly because of Millie, and the bitchy chick that Lindsay makes a catty point of defeating)

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

and fwiw, no, in general the top academic over-achievers in my high school class were not all guys, in fact, my memory is that it was mostly girls who were into that shit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link

>I never even HEARD of matheletes back then. They definitely never had them at my school
Would you have egged them on Halloween if they had existed? <

Honestly? I probably would have *been* one. Scored 200 points higher in math than in verbal on my SATs; 99th percentile. School counselor damn near had a nervous breakdown when I decided to major in journalism in college.

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I was on the debate team and forensics team, though (we didn't have academic decathalon or mock trial or anything like that); both seemed pretty evenly split between girls and guys. (Were there male matheletes at Lindsey's own school? I know the competing school had a couple, but all the scenes I remember with Millie's team seemed to be all girls, both during the competition and in the cafeteria.)

xhuxk, Monday, 14 March 2005 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I think there are a couple guys in the room when Kowchevski tells the team Lindsay's back on in Millie's place...? I'd have to re-watch tho. But yeah, the competing team had at least one guy, a black guy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I tried to listen to the commentary from the real life parents last night, and the mother of the actress who played Millie was there but she didn't say much and when she did it was hard to hear. John Daley's father was an actor who was on the set all the time and knew everything about everybody- I thought he was a producer for a while.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Going back to the original question - jocelyn got it right: it's Nick and Millie singing the song from Jesus Christ Superstar at the party. Second best: Nick's terrible song that he wrote about Lindsay.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks for getting us back on topic, Nick, but is "Jesus Is Just Alright" really in Jesus Christ Superstar?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Eh who cares.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link

It's all about Millie being serious and Nick being really into it but goofy and not really knowing the words (similar to the scene when Mr. Rosso plays "I'm Eighteen" in the guidance office and everyone's all freaked out but Nick's kinda diggin' it).

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Or Nick dancing with Lindsay's parents to the old-time records.

xpost:
Perhaps the Doobie Brothers care.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Ken's the one central character who's home/family we *never* see.

i'm fairly sure that there's one scene of ken in his bedroom, looking depressed. it's pretty modest, certainly not what i would expect considering his confession that he was raised by a nanny. perhaps full-time childcare was cheap in 70s suburban michigan?

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah there is, lauren, he's playing disco and thinking he's gay but chuck's right we don't really get to see his 'home life' (interaction w. mum & dad &c.)

there is a boy mathlete but he is on the other team : /

(for the geeky trivia spotters: the boy mathlete on the other team is veronica mars' best friend, wallace)

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Geils' "Flamethrower" in the store where what's his name goes to buy his blue polyster one-piece leisure suit or whatever it is. (Part of the reason this gets my vote is because "Flamethrower" was ONLY a dance hit in early '80s Detroit, thanks to Electrifying Mojo. By the way, has anybody talked much about the historical accuracy of a lot of the show? I graduated from West Bloomfield High School in 1978, and I've been to the bowling alley disco at Orchard Lake and Maple -- at least, I'm pretty positive that's the one in the show. Are there any instances in the show where anybody spells out what suburb, exactly, they're located in? I'm really curious about that. What school did the main show creator guy graduate from? There are a couple people with his last name in my old yearbooks; I checked.)
(Honorable mention: April Wine!)

(And you guys have all seen the website where the freaks review '70s albums, right? It's pretty funny; somebody should link to it.)

-- chuck (cedd...), February 28th, 2005.

In one episode they mention something about going to hang out on 16 mile -- my friend lived on 16 mile. And they go to Pine Knobb, obviously.

David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Wait, do we ever see Daniel's family?

Magic City (ano ano), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes. His mother wants him to go pick up medicine for his father one morning so he is late for school. Kim gives him grief because she left a notebook in his car that she needed for an open-book test that morning.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

<3 This show, finally saw it recently and hunted down the entire run. I was looking through this wikipedia list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_and_Geeks_(soundtrack) for best soundtrack moment and I couldn't pin it down! Too many good ones! Ones that stick out are the awesome Van Halen selection, that one episode where it's mostly Who songs (including "Boris the Spider"!!!), the Rush tracks (remind me of my little brother's Peart phase), the solo from the best Queen song ever ("Keep Yourself Alive"), "White Room", The Amboy Dukes.... So many great moments in this show, so many great songs!

Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 5 June 2010 04:03 (ten years ago) link

OK, is it just me, or is one of the Disco hits played during the Disco episode missing from this list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_and_Geeks_(soundtrack)#118:_Discos_and_Dragons

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 5 June 2010 05:25 (ten years ago) link

Man, this is near impossible.... But at the moment I'll go with "Whipping Post."

billstevejim, Saturday, 5 June 2010 08:32 (ten years ago) link

...coming from someone who does not enjoy The Allman Brothers at all, but this episode was the first time I ever enjoyed hearing it.

billstevejim, Saturday, 5 June 2010 08:33 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

Revisiting random episodes, just got done with the fake ID one, and the Billy Joel songs are low-key great usages.

Also Kevin Corrigan coming on to Lindsay: "Wanna see Yes at Cobo?...Richie Blackmore's Rainbow is opening..."

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 02:20 (one week ago) link

Heh, was wondering who would start such a thread.

The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:05 (one week ago) link

"Box of Rain," "White Room" and "I'm One" close.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:32 (one week ago) link


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