let's all go to GOR!!

i.e. 'Goreans' know that fogging the central point of the Gor thing (women=slaves) is the key to both a vague level of respectability but is also part of the turn-on.

RickyT: HMPH. You wish. Gareth is married to his hair.

That goes for 4 of Sclub too.

(B.W*ts*n of Wire and SWP fame is a big Gor fella)

I didn't know that fun 1950s fact though. Blimey. Hooray for the Danes, eh?

weren't there free women who kept finding out that actually they'd rather be slaves?

I googled Gor+feminism but am none the wiser. Are all these ladies secretly Kodanshi?

If Gor is on the other side of the Sun - i.e. THE TENTH PLANET MONDAS - wouldn't any potential recruits have to contend with THE CYBERMEN who already live there? Seems to me the question of gender-based slavery would be secondary to the question of flesh vs. plastic. All the fetishists would join the Cybermen while the old-fashioned ornery bondage types would fight for humanity...

Secondly - why not visit Bor instead? It's a lot like Gor, except instead of sex everybody plays Dungeons And Dragons. All the women have to be elves and speak in a silly voice.

nikki

I actually know several real-life, real-time Gorean households (who basically follow, as much as is possible and practical) the world as created by Norman. It's not for me, (though there are 'free women' in Gor, but the whole thing is soooo not my style. Not even as a Panther Woman). There are some beautiful parts of Gorean life, especially the positions and rituals (think Japanese Tea Ceremony as far as there being serious rules about what is and is not acceptable). The women that I know who are actively real-time Gorean say that they find fulfillment in the giving over of power. In general I have not been nearly as impressed with the real-time Gorean 'masters,' though.

Personally, I cannot see much fulfilling in a relationship where the self is negated and one can only refer to themselves in the third person (it is, however, better than the one male slave that I know who was trained to speak of himself in third person AND as 'it'. *shudder*). I also have a problem with the basic assumption that ALL males are superior to any female. (Give me a break!) AND that any female who is not submissive is just deluding herself and needs to be brought under control and taught to submit.

I can see the rewards of experimenting with Gor as on-line role playing, as it is an interesting process to assume new identities and to explore them in annonymity. However, I do not think that I'd ever be comfortable in a real-time Gorean household (I do like to visit them, every once in a while, to watch the service ... an experienced red-silk slave is a delight to be around! And it's delightful to never have to ask for a refill of a drink and so forth - like old-fashioned maid service, in many ways). But to each their own *shrug*

I think I'd prefer a world where I was pretty much in charge and everyone obeyed and honored and worshipped me. And where I could spend my day reading and eating chocolates and being fanned by naked males and females weilding ostrich-feather fans and so forth. Oh, and where there were lots of orgasms, too.

Surely that's just as much the case in a lot of non-Gorean S&M?

It is in my experience, Caitlin.

...it was the bears, wasn't it? HOTT.

This "thanks" to reading yr thread yesterday, mark s!

women are pleasure slaves
men are men and dress in leather while they eat meat
ruled by a cast of giant insect-priests
exactly on the other side of the sun,
counterbalancing the earth
but HOTTER than earth

Let's all go to GOR!

Sounds great to me!

ph4y i pwn yr subconscious and u know it

god, i think one of these sites was an AwfulLinkoftheDay on SA a few years ago...

...This exotic world of misogyny and male dominance is every science fiction nerd's wet dream; in the world of Gor, women throw themselves all over the nearest 20-sided die rolling scrawny outcast nerd with a broadsword! Gor is so much better than Earth because on Gor you get to fight for virtues and stab evil creatures with glowing magic poles while buying slave women who cater to your every whim and don't turn you down like Betsy Hilman did in the high school junior dance when everybody laughed at you and then you spilled punch on your pants and ran home crying and your mom laughed at you because she was drunk out of her mind and they'll all pay oh yes they will pay...

[...]

To some particularly fragile nutjobs on the Internet, once again the line between fantasy and reality becomes as fuzzy as their last memory of lifting up their 600-pound pale Slim Jim gut and actually viewing their own penis without the aid of a hydraulic lift and a series of NASA cameras. Thousands of dedicated online fuckbags have spent the last decade ironing out the kinks of the kinky "Gor D/s" scene (which either stands for "Gor Dominant / submissive" or "Gor Dumb Shits"), which is some kind of retarded bondage / dominance thing that combines the beauty of 1960's science fiction novels, sex, and Internet chat rooms. I honestly can't think of any mixture more disturbing and worthless than this, except possibly tons of napalm and the local Lee's Summit grade school...

As far as I can tell the chap was hardly very secretive about what he was doing - but then the national press picked up on it. More worrying is how the local press found out about the story - whether it was a police leak.

women sharing is never a facet of patrichal societies AFAIK

drupal tech project tearing itself up over explusion of gorean developer

http://buytaert.net/living-our-values

https://www.drupalconfessions.org/

unjustly neglected thread imo

👍🏽 👍🏽 👍🏽

https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/

this is a weird timeline

protip: the wikipedia page for gorean subculture is nsfw!

a couple months ago i was watching one of the special features on the mst3k dvds talking about the "gor" books. they didn't get to john norman himself, but somebody did an interview with one of his publicists. it was an interesting watch because mostly he seemed to be talking about the evolution of the marketing of norman's works - in the '90s, the marketing played up the bdsm-y aspects but since then they've moved towards playing up the sword and sorcery thing.

back in my usenet days, goreanism seemed to be at its peak, although i guess second life had a lot of them- i never touched second life. my memory of those times, hanging out in those subcultures, was that goreans got sort of a gruding tolerance from bdsm people. that gor was stupid, but that they weren't exactly in a position to be judging other people on the acceptability of their fetishes.

you know, i'm still not. the scummiest folks in the bdsm scene i knew weren't goreans. i personally, in the process of trying to deal with my depression, have written fiction that is far more offensive and disturbing than anything john norman, whose chief fault is his lack of imagination, has come up with. nobody will ever read any of it while i am still alive. i guess i should just delete everything i've written now in case any of it gets out and gets hung over my head. i'm used to that sort of shit. i've been dealing with it at least high school. do what we say or we'll let you know what you're REALLY like, and god knows twenty, twenty-five years ago liking the sort of things i liked made me a certified Sick Fuck(TM).

Any reason you don't want to delete it all?

Ebooks gave Norman's career a second life.
There's a very eccentric interview with Norman here, he touches on the Gorean communities.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5783833/john-norman-the-philosopher-who-created-the-barbaric-world-of-gor

Molly Tanzer and Silvia Moreno Garcia did humorous articles about the books and films, I could have sworn there was more.
http://www.pornokitsch.com/2016/06/readers-of-gor-tarnsman-of-gor.html
http://www.pornokitsch.com/2016/07/readers-of-gor-outlaw-of-gor.html

any reason i don't want to destroy my own past and pretend to be "normal"?

new board descrip

Let's all go to the Gorbals

i'd rather go to gor tbh, seems a more enlightened culture

didn't really know what to expect clicking on this thread, learned a lot, gee thanks ILX

this is a weird timeline

how so?

i just started watching GOR (11987) #gorwatch

it is bad

spoiler alert ffs

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9JFDqzEVVBU/TovPZUbtPAI/AAAAAAAABz4/Ne-e4cGWKoQ/s640/outlaw_gor.jpg

PEPLUM.BLOGSPOT

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/andrew-neil.jpg

the scummiest folks in the bdsm scene i knew weren't goreans. i personally, in the process of trying to deal with my depression, have written fiction that is far more offensive and disturbing than anything john norman, whose chief fault is his lack of imagination, has come up with. nobody will ever read any of it while i am still alive. i guess i should just delete everything i've written now in case any of it gets out and gets hung over my head. i'm used to that sort of shit. i've been dealing with it at least high school. do what we say or we'll let you know what you're REALLY like, and god knows twenty, twenty-five years ago liking the sort of things i liked made me a certified Sick Fuck(TM).

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:14 AM (three years ago)

Any reason you don't want to delete it all?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:07 PM (three years ago)

any reason i don't want to destroy my own past and pretend to be "normal"?

― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:49 PM (three years ago)

I'm really sorry for saying that. I hope you don't delete the stuff.

I believe that a contributing factor for the worst depths of OCD I was dealing with a few years ago was my impulse to make my desires simpler and neater, like I was trying to whittle myself down and get rid of things with possible negative implications. But now I realize that bettering oneself is not a process of eliminating problematic things, but sometimes embracing them, embracing the complexity and knowing that we'll probably never know what half of this stuff is really about. I feel much better and whole now that I've embraced all my desires again and found new ones.

When I was trying to distance myself from certain things, I was becoming more anxious, pompous, suspicious, accusatory; yes, more conservative. If I've always had a taste for and open-mindedness about weird/extreme content, yet still fallen into this narrow minded fear, how can I expect many other people to understand? Perhaps the normalization of weird fetishes will save us all?

Maybe I haven't learned my lesson, because while extreme gore and death fetishes now seem relatively wholesome (it usually seems so detached from the real world and I'm sure most of these fetishists are nice enough), there is still porn I look upon with a bit of fear and suspicion: lots of racial stuff, anything that seems to be simmering with hatred for perceived inadequacies and weakness or stuff that revels in societal stigma attached to victims. But maybe it's all more complex and a bit more innocent than it seems.

I seen an interesting thing a few months ago, there was a piece of bimbo transformation art and lots of fans of this stuff were complaining in a thread that the artist seemed to believe in the themes too seriously, like they were genuinely appalled by someone taking some of the common tropes into the context of their thinking about the real world.
There's so much role-play in these communities that it's difficult to know what anyone really thinks about these things but occasionally you see an appalled outsider commenting and then some going "hey this is just fun fantasy, we'd never actually do any of this stuff".

I'm a little bit worried because I do all my art under my own name (and wouldn't have it any other way) and sure eventually if I execute a good number of my ideas, that it will cost me something someday. Family often asks to see my work and I don't know how they'd react to all the incest art and some other things I want to do. But I always remember that there's really extreme artists in Indonesia and China who could get into way more serious trouble if they were found out and there was a woman who does some serious taboos and apparently her family just thinks it's funny.
Why does any artist want to scare normal people so much? I'd rather not face any opposition and we could all just write and draw without trouble.