Winamp Sucks

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Skinning is a bad feature. All the skins are ugly.
The interface widgets are crowded.
It doesn't support m4a.
The Library is a joke.

Many of my Windows using friends use it -- WHY!?!?!

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

They don't know about QCD!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Windows Media Player - WHY DOES IT SUCK SO BAD?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link

What's QCD, Dang?!?!

Also - if you want ugly skins, try giving Windows Media Player a spin.

hstencil mind meld!

"Proud" Winamp User (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

becuase the EQ display is better than WMP, and it has pre-amp controls

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link

ah, memories.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Winamp is the best mp3 player ever. QCD is great for playing CDs.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm actually quite happy with Winamp at the moment, it seems to do exactly what I need it to.

I'm not really a big Windows user, but I'm on a windows system at the moment, and I found choosing an MP3 player to be a bit of a tricky job. I immediately chose iTunes, and was really impressed with it when I installed it, but then found that it doesn't really handle the media library feature as I'd like it to. I rip all my CDs to MP3 when I get them home, tag them up and put them in the right directory. Sometimes I move a directory or rename it, or download a song and stick it in an "unsorted" folder, and ideally I'd like the MP3 app to just find it when I start the program up.

I might be grossly mistaken, because it seems wrong, but it appears iTunes wants me to add my directories manually, and doesn't ever scan them for updates. This means that if I rename a track or move an album it gets lost and iTunes doesn't know where to find it. Similarly, if I delete a track, iTunes still thinks I want it in my media library. Winamp scans at a time you can specify (mine's set to every ten minutes) for changes in your "watch folders", and at startup.

I've not really got a way with words tonight, but hopefully you understand what I'm looking for in an MP3 player, so if you've got any suggestions for something better than Winamp I'd love to know, because Winamp isn't perfect.

In regards to the GUI, have you had a look at the "non-step" skin for Winamp? It's the only one I can cope with, and it's very nice indeed. Perhaps it's one of those things that suits my computer perfectly but would just get in the way for everyone else. And as for m4a support, you can get plugins to fix that. It also doesn't support FLAC from a default installation, but there are plenty of plugins to fix that.

Patrick Allan (adr), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

iTunes is bloatware. It's far better on the Mac. There's no reason why I should have to wait when I click on an .mp3 file for some huge program to start up.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Spencer OTM. I use Foobar with Windows and iTunes on my Mac.

adam (adam), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Skinning is a bad feature. All the skins are ugly.

Sknning is a bad feature anyway. It's one of those feature-creep features, the last one tacked on before the program becomes totally unusable.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link

jon, you're wrong.

i've tried foobar a gillion times but i can't seem to get the hang of it.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link

patrick, the feature you're describing is called folder monitoring. itunes' lack of it is one of a million reasons it beeeee-lows.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Winamp does play .m4a, you just need a plugin. It will play a lot more formats than itunes will.

svend (svend), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

iTunes is bloatware. It's far better on the Mac. There's no reason why I should have to wait when I click on an .mp3 file for some huge program to start up

Technically the bloat is quicktime not iTunes, basically iTunes for windows is iTunes straight recompiled for the Mac. Quicktime implements huge chunks of the apple API to make this and quickTime work with minimal recoding on their part, it's basically a built in emulator.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link

uh, iTunes has plugins too.

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link


Technically the bloat is quicktime not iTunes, basically iTunes for windows is iTunes straight recompiled for the Mac. Quicktime implements huge chunks of the apple API to make this and quickTime work with minimal recoding on their part, it's basically a built in emulator.

It is not an emulator.

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Not technically, but it's as big as one, so same diff.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

NO, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. EMULATORS ARE NOT "BIG".

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:15 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, not an emulator.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Foobar has a good masstagger, and I have gotten used to replaygain. Also, format strings.

W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

WINAMP RULEZ!!! It's one of the few programs I'm actually a fan of, as in, I'd get in a geeky argument about it.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link

wow, i don't know what version you're getting those screen shots from. mine's hella small and simple and easy-to-use and takes up no memory.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

ok, nevermind, i never use the library tho. just open up an album and play it.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

NO, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. EMULATORS ARE NOT "BIG".

What's the word, then? Clunky? Inefficient?

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

http://1.im.cz/n/photo/01/76/02eqlen-original.jpg

look at the upside down tabs here


wtf

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link

which is why the required library setup in iTunes seems unnecessary and annoys me.

x-post

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link

you don't need to keep stuff in the library in itunes.

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link

PS - HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS WINDOWS USERS

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Although it's easier if you do. I'm on your side, jon, believe it or not. I use iTunes on my PC, even though it's clunky. It's just better. And I like not even having the *option* of putting George Strait's face on my player. iTunes cares about me, and wants me to be cool.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

er... xpost

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

all my friends who use winamp are forever saving playlist files, dragging directories in and squinting at tiny little windows of tiny lists written in tiny grey text on a black background.... UGH

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I take back what I said about all skins being bad. Somebody please try to make that look better k thanx.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link

I used this skin for years -- it's about as good as it gets.

http://www.winamp.com/customize/component/2001/11/10/S/large_image/Oxygen_2.jpg

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:32 (sixteen years ago) link

My standards are very high indeed, and that's why I use winamp. It's certainly a different paradigm and maybe you should just accept that some people do things differently. I keep my mp3 files organized into windows folders and then click on the file itself when I want to hear it. Winamp starts playing it back immediately. That's all I care about!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

so does iTunes, dood.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Patrick, why isn't it that nice by default? Most people have awful setups.

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:33 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost except that it's slow. You're both right, really.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I keep my mp3 files organized into windows folders and then click on the file itself when I want to hear it. Winamp starts playing it back immediately.


Did you just upgrade from MS-DOS 5?

Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm on XP, and I can confirm that Windows will do screw-y things with filename order. I use Winamp 5.56 and enqueuing a folder by right-clicking on it always results in odd results. But when I drag the folder to the Playlist Editor window, it always stacks the files alphabetically.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:49 (ten years ago) link

^ Yes, but you have to drag the whole folder and not the contents, because if you select the contents then whichever file you select last is "highlighted" in Explorer, which will put it first in the list it sends to the target app (then the other files may appear in reverse order too)

iirc

</nerdy>

cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:51 (ten years ago) link

ironically, at some point during me posting to this thread, Songbird went a bit nuts and placed a Teenage Panzerkorps mp3 in the middle of a Low album in its playlist. which was slightly jarring

cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:56 (ten years ago) link

xp yeah, drag folder, not contents. I'm massively anal about organising my music into folders anyway.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Sunday, 6 February 2011 21:59 (ten years ago) link

it really whips the llama's ass

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:00 (ten years ago) link

The main advantage of winamp is the ease of finding things in your library quickly, the library sorting and small text interface. The program is almost entirely designed for people who don't like to label/sort their music all the time. But I have never been in a situation where I've wanted to load an entire folder with subfolders and miscellaneous files through My Computer.

However, since my last harddrive erase (and loss of tons of music) I have just stuck with WMP even though I'm not a big fan.

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:18 (ten years ago) link

Oh, I forgot to say (or think) that I never used the library in Winamp, just the playlist. So if this is a library issue, no idea.

The library sorting and finding is what I like about Songbird, so maybe it is a bit weird that I never even tried Winamp's library in many years of using Winamp.

cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:22 (ten years ago) link

xp and winamp 5.601, using windows explorer as a library. james mitchell's suggestion doesn't work.

a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Sunday, 6 February 2011 22:52 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

winamp classic is still the best - quickest mama unlike the bloated itunes

Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 19:11 (nine years ago) link

Winamp Modern is also pretty zippy as long as you don't use the Media Library. Bento/Big Bento can both shove it though.

got a whole lotta gloves (snoball), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:04 (nine years ago) link

all I know is when I wanna hear "tears before bedtime" the app opens in seconds, I hit "j" and type in the track and voila! there it is. itunes takes so long to open

Latham Green, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:07 (nine years ago) link

I still use winamp more than itunes.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 04:29 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

https://jordaneldredge.com/projects/winamp2-js/

mookieproof, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:01 (three years ago) link

I've been using this a little bit, but mostly because I have all my media dumped into Plex: https://medium.com/plexlabs/introducing-plexamp-9493a658847a

mh, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:02 (three years ago) link

i actually still use winamp at home

mookieproof, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:17 (three years ago) link

same lol

Simon H., Friday, 9 February 2018 16:24 (three years ago) link

I don't have any need for it any more but Winamp >>>> iTunes.

Matt DC, Friday, 9 February 2018 16:27 (three years ago) link

man, I used Winamp up until very recently and it never went wrong. Don't know why I use AIMP now and it's always failing to detect what sound card I'm using (I swap all the time)

Badgers (dog latin), Friday, 9 February 2018 17:00 (three years ago) link

Still using WinAmp 5.61, see no reason to change. It opens quickly, can handle massive playlists, doesn't crash (or at least it's never crashed for me), and does what I need with minimal fuss.

2018 has to be better (snoball), Friday, 9 February 2018 19:21 (three years ago) link

i also still use winamp

although it still forgets to be always on top all the time

adam the (abanana), Friday, 9 February 2018 22:44 (three years ago) link

I want to go back to winamp because aimp doesn't have the mini mode, so I always have to go and find it, and it doesn't understand that if I drag some mp3s in, they should stay in the same order. But where can I get winamp now? The only website I can find doesn't have any download links.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 9 February 2018 23:45 (three years ago) link

winamp 5.6.4.318 for windows installer (inside a zip)

lol @ me

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 February 2018 00:17 (three years ago) link

the minute I post this there will probably be some kind of world-shattering exploit revealed, but until then I feel pretty comfortable saying winamp is a perfect piece of software

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:22 (three years ago) link

winamp was great which means it still is but i haven't looked back from foobar2000.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:24 (three years ago) link

tried several times to get foobar the way i wanted it and failed; no doubt i'll give it another shot when winamp stops working

k otm

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 February 2018 01:53 (three years ago) link

http://www.winamp.com/ -> "follow this link to get updated news" -> http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=374929 -> second post = download links for the latest version?

StanM, Saturday, 10 February 2018 08:47 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

ok, plex on iphone is actually.. pretty good now?

mh, Monday, 19 March 2018 21:28 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

so i've switched from PC to Mac and I'm having trouble finding a media player that works properly. I just want to be able to play music. I'm not interested in creating a media library or making playlists or any of that jazz. Just want to be able to drag and drop a folder or double-click a file and get it to play.

iTunes - is just fucking awful in every way. It's as though the people who invented it had never understood people's needs. I'm sure last time I tried to use it, it tried to automatically copy all 2TBs of my music collection into low-bit m4a files on a hidden folder on my computer. Also, I never worked out how to get it to play an album all the way through without randomly shuffling to some other tune I played a few weeks ago. Terrible.

Winamp - Ah Winamp. It really kicked the llama's ass back in the day. Easy to use, not fussy about putting things into playlists etc. Just drag a folder into the window and it plays straight through. Sadly doesn't seem to enjoy life on my Mac. When I try to drag/drop a music folder into the window it says the files aren't supported. Lovely.

VLC Media player - Can't go wrong with this? Wrong. If I drag a folder into the window, it doesn't expand into tracks, it just sits there as a folder until I click to expand it. Rubbish if I want to copy a bunch of album folders into it. I've tried all the settings, including one which seems to say it affects this, but it doesn't do anything.

Elmedia Player - insists on showing me the album cover instead of my tracklist. The tracklist comes as an optional floating window which you have to toggle on. Not useful.

In conclusion: Media players are awful and Macs are terrible machines invented by a terrible company who prize compactness over functionality. Somebody help me out here before I lob this over-priced piece of crap out the window and go back to my trusty 2012 Asus.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:39 (four months ago) link

Clementine?

brimstead, Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:43 (four months ago) link

i'll check it! thanks!

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:44 (four months ago) link

"Clementine Quit Unexpectedly"

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:47 (four months ago) link

*Sigh*

And people told me that Macs 'just work'

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:48 (four months ago) link

foobar?

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:50 (four months ago) link

let's try it

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:51 (four months ago) link

working so far!! :-) thanks!

crikey, that was a saga

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:54 (four months ago) link

foobar is still good yep

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:56 (four months ago) link

i mean Apple sucks but it works pretty well for me on the PC

Notes on "Scamp" (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:57 (four months ago) link

I have not touched QCD in decades but apparently it was still being updated as of last year:

https://quintessential-media-player.en.softonic.com/

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 22 October 2020 17:12 (four months ago) link

not convinced that that's a real QCD update

for macs i'd ask elvis telecom what he uses

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2020 17:34 (four months ago) link

so I spoke to a Mac expert friend who suggested I really do look into iTunes again and that the functionality, particularly in relation to things like Serato which I use a lot, can outweigh some of its shortcomings.
I've never put my music into libraries, rather I've always kept it in folders which are carefully alphabetised on an external drive and which I access via Explorer (and more recently Finder).
But the idea of chucking all 2TB into a library and risk a jungle of broken/mislabelled ID3 tags does put me off. Will it mess up the already labyrinthine personal system I've cultivated over decades? Will it confuse Serato and mess up its own very finnickity Crate system?
Maybe the wrong thread for this question I guess...

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:03 (four months ago) link

lol have fun

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 22 October 2020 22:03 (four months ago) link

I use Small Player (https://www.igorware.com/small-player) for playing sound files. It's a tiny program, starts instantly. It's great. Just plays stuff and nothing else. I haven't used it much for listening to music for hours on end or anything like that (I do all that in Spotify), so I can't guarantee how it performs. I use it mostly for listening through single mp3/wav files/folders of my own stuff, and it's always worked perfectly for me.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 09:58 (four months ago) link

Oh shit, I got your PC-Mac switch the wrong way round. Tough luck.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 09:59 (four months ago) link

Foobar2000 still rules. It can use your folder structure to organise its browser and it's also pretty flood for managing metadata tags. Not sure where the Mac version is at in terms of development.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:51 (four months ago) link

Pretty *good.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:52 (four months ago) link

iTunes - is just fucking awful in every way. It's as though the people who invented it had never understood people's needs.

iTunes (or "Music" as it's now called on macOS) is very powerful and very much geared towards for 'power users' (esp if you use scripting), but indeed it does not cater at all to people who organise stuff by filenames and folders, it's 100% tags. If you don't have your tags correct, then it's useless.

Alternatives on the mac are limited. There's Swinsian and a fairly crappy foobar2000 version (PC version is much better).

Siegbran, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 10:58 (four months ago) link

For mass-tagging on the mac there's Yate, Musicbrainz Picard and (if you like command line) Beets.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 11:04 (four months ago) link

Don't know about mac but foobar runs very well under wine in linux and Peter is actively looking for bugs to improve compatiblity

chihuahuau, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:53 (four months ago) link

people like IINA as a kind of better VLC for mac.
https://iina.io

but just to preview a file, hitting spacebar after selection lets you play it immediately.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:06 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

toaster plugin suddenly stopped working correctly and i can't figure out why

ffs

mookieproof, Sunday, 21 February 2021 03:19 (one week ago) link


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