Nathan Barley comes to TV

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Couldn't find a thread about this, despite it being an old story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4083169.stm

Potential cock up of a classic character and Morris' reputation or the best thing on TV in 2005?

Secretly English (secretly english), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:06 (fourteen years ago) link

A recipe for disaster by the sounds of things. What is it with Chris Morris having to rehash old ideas ("Jam" to thread)? "Nathan Barley" is already a household phrase amongst most Morris fans and this style of comedy's been done to death (and probably better) by Garth Merenghi and David Brent etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, I hope if this does come to light they do actually call it "Cunt".

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 January 2005 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Also - this will only appeal to people who are Nathan Barley type characters as the other 99% of the population isn't as familiar with these kind of people as say David Brent or the Royle Family etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 January 2005 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i have a feeling this will be great, dispite charlie brooker.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 3 January 2005 11:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Boomselection.info has posted an mp3 which is supposed to be the show's theme tune. It sounds horrible, but I'm sure that's the point.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 3 January 2005 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow! I'm pretty cynical this year - normally I'd be pissing my pants at this sort of thing!

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sure it will be as big as success as TV Go Home: The Series.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

wasn't this already done by 'monkey dust'?

fcussen (Burger), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Watching Morris go down this route is a bit like seeing David Bowie team up with Brett Anderson; I accept that he's probably exhausted his other approaches by now (no point doing news satire, no point doing "dark", no point doing something which gets The Daily Mail camped outside yr house, turn Blue Jam monologue into short film = easy BAFTA but even that seems like a dead end). There's always the radio.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link

why doesn't he write a screenplay/direct full length film?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 08:50 (fourteen years ago) link

MJ spot-on: I hope this will be funny despite it all, but the omens are poor. The NB character himself is very '2000', no? It's a bit like doing a wine bar-dwelling 'yuppie' character in 1991.

henry miller, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 09:28 (fourteen years ago) link

bad bad bad

TVGH is funny because it relies on your imagination the TV series sucked, Cunt was funny because of the "the Kilroy team would like to hear from you" bits.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link

why doesn't he write a screenplay/direct full length film?

Would he get the financial backing with his record of self-sabotage ("Grade is a...") and tabloid-baiting? Perhaps he would - My Wrongs wasn't cheap. I don't really know whether he's capable of developing a feature on his own. Perhaps he could team up with Richard Curtis - Hugh Grant and Mark Heap both fall in love with the same American movie star, but she has the body of a Hoover and they're wheelchair-bound mesogleal tripeds who can only communicate in supra-aural square waves. Features Rowan Atkinson as a funny vicar (who burns penguins).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link

http://news.independent.co.uk/media/story.jsp?story=599240

henry miller, Monday, 10 January 2005 11:37 (fourteen years ago) link

i've spent all day reading that story, and even bought a copy of the paper to see if i could decipher its relevence to Chris Morris.

Still, nothing.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I think NRQ's just suggesting that reality has again surpassed satire.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i was thinking that.

at first i thought that it was an invented Chris Morris character.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Trailers

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 January 2005 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Hoot Your Trap Off

http://www.trashbat.co.ck/images/barley/gallery/large_covers/bkg_eph_4_large.jpg

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 January 2005 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I laughed out loud at one of those trailers, so I'm now cautiously optimistic that this will be an undemandingly enjoyable romp featuring foolish people doing foolish things with sparkly Morrisish dialogue and no great need to worry about it being target-tardy (though it is), guilty of satirising the autosatirising (though it will be) or understandable only to residents of E1 and E2 (cos I suspect it's broader than Broadgate).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 29 January 2005 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i rather enjoyed the fact it looked like a clever (but not too clever) sitcom, simple as that. i'm hyped!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 January 2005 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

> I laughed out loud at one of those trailers,

which bit?

Dean Lerner and the bloke from Boosh bodes well. looked all a bit like that soap set in a web design office. can't remember the name now...

the very first tv trailer was based on manic miner loading screen. = good.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 31 January 2005 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

'attachments'?

Miles Finch, Monday, 31 January 2005 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

which bit?

"They don't realise it's not good cos it's rude, yeah?"
"Yeah, it's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude." (the lazy-gobbed questioning-intonation is a bonus)

I had to install QT* to watch that again, which meant I had to install iTunes. I'm LIVING IN THE FUTURE.

(Funny cos I had to deliver a project in QT last week and I couldn't even watch the finished article at my desk.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 31 January 2005 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I write about design for trendy magazines, pop across to Tokyo like it was Tesco's, rave about hazard tape, wear "ironic" houndtooth hats, and have been approached to write a weekly column in a Sunday supplement... will Dan Ashcroft include me in his withering style mag feature 'The Idiots'? Please?

"Once the idiots were just fools gawping in through the windows. Now they've entered the building..."

Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, I think this is going to be terrific. In the trailers, it's already very funny to watch the way 'Dan Ashcroft' reacts to the madness that surrounds him. There are so many little gags hidden in each trailer, like the Weekend on Sunday mag with Nicky Campbell on the cover. Even the fact that this incredibly stodgy, conservative-looking paper wants to recruit 'edgy style barometers' for its Sunday supplement and has an editor calling people 'dude'. Just totally... weapon!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link

this looks good. i like michaels point about auto-satirisation.

debden, Monday, 31 January 2005 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link

The obvious criticism of this TV version is already taking shape, though. Just as 'Cunt' has become 'Nathan Barley', so the sheer Nazi vitriol directed against Barley in the TV Go Home episodes ('if there was any justice in this life he'd be chained to the railings of a North Sea oilrig and used as a screaming human jizzjar by two hundred great big hairy-backed bastards in the middle of the most violent thunderstorm the world has ever seen') has been watered down to Dan Ashcroft rolling his eyes.

I think a lot of the comedy in the print version came from the unhinged, psychopathic overstatement of the narrator's hatred of Barley for relatively trivial crimes against taste and morality. Who was this fellow, if not Barley's repressed, self-hating alter ego? I'll be interested if they show Ashcroft as a 'centre of goodness' – a reasonable and likeable man – or a jittering neurotic Goebbels, full of repressed, passionate, hissing, spitting, volatile-projected self-hatred.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I always figured NB must've been at some level self-satire (cf 'Shoreditch Twat') -- it only makes sense if you know a bit about that world, and to know it is to participate, to some extent. ie to 'get' the 'All Your Base' refs or whatever.

Miles Finch, Monday, 31 January 2005 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i was actually disappointed the screen nathan doesn't have a more sloaney accent, you know saying stuff like 'taste' to mean 'toast'.

debden, Monday, 31 January 2005 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Baffling hate-piece by the publisher of Shoreditch Twat:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1405547,00.html

key words relate to bleeding-edge 'creatives' being perfectly able to satirize themselves. i always thought the savagery of tvgohome was maxed so that you wdn't confuse it with halfway-house shite like shoreditdch twat -- it isn't comfortable satire, it's flamewar.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm really looking forward to it now, the trailers look good.

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i think this looks amazing. why did you all have to HATE at first.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i've seen it.

hmmmm.

Pete W (peterw), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't really enjoyed morris since blue jam. i tht jam was rub. brooker as a guardian writer is a bit one-note. and for hipsters like me (cough) barley is very five years ago.

BUT the trailers look good and thinking on it, there's no really new paradigm that's emerged to displace the barleys in "new media" circles, so it can't be that dated.

sleaze nation is still going, right? i love the dnb soundtrack on the trailer, it's exactly right.

also i have a lot invested in barley. my first ever paid piece of writing was on tvgohome, three years back. i got to use 'cunt', 'fuck', and 'pissant' in my maiden piece! woo!

xpost -- watts, say nothing!

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link

re the guardina piece: considering as how boorman himself is exactly the sort of person brooker's original "c*nt" on tvgohome was satirising (he's one of the most spectacular shitheads i have ever had the misfortune to meet), then i guess he's not going to be massively pro. i think the show might be funny but it's not quite contemporary, so it may lose something compared to how much the section on tvgh made me laugh. also, i have come across many neilthan boorleys (i wonder if them both being nb is pure coincidence - i do so hope not) in my time, but i do wonder at how many others outside of london media-wanker circles have.

stelfox, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link

that was an unintentional typo of "guardian"!

stelfox, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe it will come across as "nostalgia" instead of "dated"?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i like that idea

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link

my original piece was shit but i tried to tackle that question -- who other than people on the inside track will 'get it'.

i can't remember how i came across tvgohome but i was 18 years old and not living in london -- but anyway, my line was nathan barley helps 'explain' things that normals do know about, in advertising, magazine design, fashion, ect. after all comabat trousers, scooters, trucker caps all ended up quite high street.

i've never been a part of the media-wanker circus but have had first-hand experience of barleys -- it isn't that small a world, perhaps.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Has anyone seen the bilboard Wasp adverts? There is one on the Caledonian Road.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, i can't be alone in being simultaneously delighted by the phrase 'self-facilitating media node' and recognising the derogatory connotation yet aware that that's exactly how i'd like to describe myself half the time

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

only i'm not solvent like dear Nathan

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

there's one on junction road too. i have started to say 'weapon' quite a bit.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:18 (fourteen years ago) link

ihttp://www.tvgohome.com/tvgohome140599.jpg

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, that was too big, but anyway i don't look *unlike* that.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, saw a couple of 'Speechtool' ads in West Norwood last week - from the bus so not close enough to read whether they reveal what they're actually advertising. A couple of locals were looking very intently at the ads...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 4 February 2005 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link

the bottom crashed out of the internet, fashion and magazine publishing. A downturn that the area has since struggled to claw itself out of.

I hate to be a hata, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

morris's next series should be about this guy:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15150907&method=full&siteid=89488&headline=the-man-who-drinks-petrol-name_page.html

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, even at best he's just Bootleg Biffo, but he's making major E4 shows will Biffo is still writing for kids' TV shows that nobody watches

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 11:00 (ten years ago) link

Does he ever write Screen Burn anymore or is he now concentrating on bigging up his own projects and writing travel features in the midst of global recession?

synths and drum machines (e.g. Simmonds) (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 11:09 (ten years ago) link

I don't really mind Brooker. He can be pretty funny and Screen Wipe was good. But that travel piece at the weekend was the most boring pointless thing I've read in a while. And I'm including posts like this on ILX.

GamalielRatsey, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 11:13 (ten years ago) link

despite slagging it off elsewhere, i'm taping dead set. i bet i never watch it, though. nobody here is making a convincing case for it being anything other than a mediocre diversion -- and trust me, i've got way too many of those going on right now.

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 11:19 (ten years ago) link

Would have been even better with a slightly larger budget though.

I was surprised at how relatively expensive it looked as it is

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:00 (ten years ago) link

i can't wait for ep5 of dead set (which i'm in, heh). haven't seen any of it yet though...

CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:05 (ten years ago) link

also love that they didn't bother with credits, just gave a URL. if Brooker's over-rated it's more because there's just so many far worse people out there doing well too.

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:16 (ten years ago) link

altho maybe it did undermine a bit the 'credits are useful as an interlude between programmes that allow you to pause for thought without some numpty chattering away about what's coming next as if it wasn't easy enough for you to find this out anyway' argument he made quite well on SW

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:18 (ten years ago) link

brooker? a contrarian? well i never.

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:22 (ten years ago) link

i always assumed credits existed as much to doff a cap to the people who worked to create a show as to inform the viewer who these people were. as such, i'd mourn their passing if they disappeared altogether: it's like not having the autor's name on a book sleeve.

CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:27 (ten years ago) link

no it's closer to the book listing all the people who actually helped in the production process of the book at the end

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:29 (ten years ago) link

I too was a bit perturbed by their lack of zombie knowledge, but I think that they probably wanted a contrast with most of the recent zombie projects, which almost all seem to have a good grasp of zombie history and use that for 'sly' meta-textual referencing. Which seems a bit of a strange thing to get away from when your whole schtick is OMG Zombies & Big Brother! Together at last!

I did enjoy it, tho.

emil.y, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:42 (ten years ago) link

no it's closer to the book listing all the people who actually helped in the production process of the book at the end

An acknowledgements page, then?

I thought it was alright, nowt special, rather too much of it got taken up with Jaime Winstone making sobbing noises. Going to the credits site (features authentic scrolling-slightly-too-quickly-to-read effect, though I did see former Gladiators winner Eunice Huthart listed in the stunt performers), I came to realise that I had no idea what any of the characters were called.

William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:03 (ten years ago) link

An acknowledgements page, then?

more like a list of every single person at the publishing company who ever had anything to do with it, right down to the dude who made the editor's PA his cup of tea in the morning.

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:08 (ten years ago) link

ep5 of dead set (which i'm in, heh).

okay where?

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:13 (ten years ago) link

> also love that they didn't bother with credits, just gave a URL

jamcredits.com (now abandoned) got there first, you Clarkson faced Guff-Prating Berkskull.

copy here: http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/J/jam/credits_ns6.html

...
KEVIN ELDON
...

koogs, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:23 (ten years ago) link

the sign with Eldon's face, arrow and GOLLUM tag

Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:25 (ten years ago) link

Kevin Eldon is playing the character I would actually be in the BB house

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:31 (ten years ago) link

the scene with the girl pounding bits out of the zombies skull with the fire extinguisher was amazing

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:34 (ten years ago) link

I thought they were going to play out the whole paranoia of the contestants disbelief that it wasn't just a stunt for a bit longer, perhaps they'll refer to it again.

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:37 (ten years ago) link

ep5 of dead set (which i'm in, heh).

okay where?

― Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:13

well...

haven't seen any of it yet though...

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:05

so i don't know. but i'm what's known as a "background zombie"... so i might get a quarter of a second's bloodied screen time.

CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:31 (ten years ago) link

i'm what's known as a "background zombie"

new user name for you there.

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:49 (ten years ago) link

(or me, if you don't snap it up first.)

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:49 (ten years ago) link

Or a useful phrase for an ILX Lurker?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:50 (ten years ago) link

splendid idea!

Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:52 (ten years ago) link

ach, it was only on for half hour tonight totally wasn't expecting that.

still enjoying it.

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 22:33 (ten years ago) link

watched last night's, and about 10 minutes of tonight. that'll be it for me. it's so fucking dull. beyond the basic premise -- big brother! zombies! -- there's absolutely nothing there, is there? the characters are ciphers, the action is predictable, the outcome interests me not a jot.

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 23:38 (ten years ago) link

(and i appreciate what chewshabadoo says upthread about the characterisation improving, but i can't be arsed waiting around for that to happen!)

remorseful prober (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 23:42 (ten years ago) link

the installments are too short. would have been cool 90 minutes than two 60 minutes.

looks quite good for the budget. Obviously going off that whole current-horror movie thing with the fast cutting, the handheld, the shutter speeds etc..., but it's fine. Hardly groundbreaking or terribly inventive so far, but still a really enjoyable zombie horror by my standards. Glad the satire hasn't really got in the way of anything.

Gukbe, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 02:46 (ten years ago) link

lol at Pippa telling that producer guy he was using up the oxygen

"it's not a fucking submarine"

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 09:23 (ten years ago) link

Dead Set thread here:
Dead Set - E4 Big Brother Zombie thing!

koogs, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 13:50 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

is this out of print on DVD? anyone know where i can order it, preferably cheaply, and have it shipped to the US? (it's ridiculously expensive on amazon.co.uk.)

i'd rather cut cane for castro (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 1 March 2009 16:41 (ten years ago) link

if you know how to use torrents then you can get it on http://thebox.bz/ - i think they have open sign up just now but if you need or want an invite then give me a shout.

jed_, Sunday, 1 March 2009 16:45 (ten years ago) link

It *is* out of print, aggravatingly (my copy was scratched when I lent it to someone). It went from being stacked in every HMV for 5 pounds to being tough to find in a matter of weeks, seemingly. The first 2 Charlie Brooker books are similarly tough to track down!

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Sunday, 1 March 2009 21:30 (ten years ago) link

Sold my copy of Brookers' TV Go Home book for £40 on eBay, to none other than... actor Michael Fenton Stevens

Blap for Lashes (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Sunday, 1 March 2009 21:32 (ten years ago) link

£40?! That makes it the most valuable book I own!

nate woolls, Sunday, 1 March 2009 21:43 (ten years ago) link

the DVD is awesome. comes with that booklet and so many extras on the DVD itself. torrents don't really compare to the whole package.

cutty, Sunday, 1 March 2009 22:20 (ten years ago) link

true true, my friend ran off te manchester wit mine. bitch.

a raggamuffin is a type of cat (a-bomb), Sunday, 1 March 2009 22:21 (ten years ago) link

keep it foolish yea

a raggamuffin is a type of cat (a-bomb), Sunday, 1 March 2009 22:23 (ten years ago) link

oh great, downloaded this as a torrent and none of the files work AWESOME thanks internet go die.

i'd rather cut cane for castro (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 2 March 2009 17:34 (ten years ago) link

Pssst-
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Kfairy&view=videos

Not amazing quality, but perfectly watchable.

chap, Monday, 2 March 2009 17:38 (ten years ago) link

thanks, yeah, i know (that's where i saw them the first time). problem is my wife wants to watch it, and for reasons i can't go into here (or fathom) she hates watching video on the computer.

i'd rather cut cane for castro (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 2 March 2009 18:08 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

saw this just before christmas in hmv and bought it thinking it was out of print. amazon has cheaper copies so i guess they've repressed it, or whatever you do with dvds. bum.

koogs, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 20:48 (nine years ago) link

still a great dvd to own.

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 20:53 (nine years ago) link

hell, I don't think I have a region-free player hooked up now, I might have to copy this over to my pc

mh, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:49 (nine years ago) link

nine years pass...

i'm not a preacher man

mh, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 03:41 (three months ago) link

keep it chopped out, yeah?

meaulnes, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:44 (three months ago) link

Toby, you rim-licker. How's it fucking collapsing?

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:47 (three months ago) link

well fucking weapon

mh, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 23:06 (three months ago) link


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