― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Which privileges are eliminated from people who don't breed in my scenario?
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
The columnist's position rests on the assumption that gay marriages are "inherently non-procreative"; the increasingly large number of gay couples whose coupledom is reinforced and tested by the experience of raising children together looks an awful lot like any other marriage-with-kids to me. Why not grant it the same protections and benefits?
"It's a straight thing, you wouldn't understand"
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
I think what Cathy Seipp is saying is that if we allow gay marriage then what logic does the law hold against polygamy or Kate & Allie or a handful of broke college kids getting married to achieve the same privileges as two guys or two gals whose basis for this privilege is homosexuality. I think she's pointing out that marriage as a legal institution probably isn't going to ever leave the cages of government intervention, so we're better to be vigilant about trying to limit it less we face a slippery slope in the other direction.
― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 20 April 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
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― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
MAYBE WE SHOULD STOP GAY MARRIAGE BECAUAES ONE DOESNT KNOW WHERE IT COULD LEAD
― gear (gear), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― ((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Monday, 5 June 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Under the old monogamous system, we didn't have the problem of apportioning Thanksgiving and Christmas among your mother and stepdad, your dad and his third wife, your mother-in-law and her boyfriend Hal, and your father-in-law and his boyfriend Chuck. Today, serial monogamy has stretched the extended family to the breaking point. A child can now grow up with eight or nine or 10 grandparents -- Gampa, Gammy, Goopa, Gumby, Papa, Poopsy, Goofy, Gaga and Chuck -- and need a program to keep track of the actors. And now gay marriage will produce a whole new string of hyphenated relatives. In addition to the ex-stepson and ex-in-laws and your wife's first husband's second wife, there now will be Bruce and Kevin's in-laws and Bruce's ex, Mark, and Mark's current partner, and I suppose we'll get used to it. The country has come to accept stereotypical gay men -- sardonic fellows with fussy hair who live in over-decorated apartments with a striped sofa and a small weird dog and who worship campy performers and go in for flamboyance now and then themselves. If they want to be accepted as couples and daddies, however, the flamboyance may have to be brought under control. Parents are supposed to stand in back and not wear chartreuse pants and black polka-dot shirts. That's for the kids. It's their show.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link
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― J, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link
I actually agree with most of what you're saying, except for this. Marriage in the golden days of the 40s and 50s or whenever were the golden days were was not "about" children.
― Laurel, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link