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Saw David Lynch's new film last week ... Maybe already hashed to death in here i don't know? I loved it; wondered what other thought of it ...

navboy, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

how come nobody has answered this thread? I'm curious too.

Honda, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Here in Australia, Lynch's new rollercoaster is soon to open, and thankfully I managed to get my ass in the press preview the other night. I am incredibly partial to Lynch, I actually completed a thesis on the man for uni, so okay, naturally I loved it. I knew that I would, I see his films more interested in how I will position them in accordance to the others. I actually think it's his second best to date, although I have to say, I still prefer Lost Highway, which is the one many seem to dislike. They're actually very similar, in fact, I think that the two films work as a flipside on the same ideas and themes, Lost Highway a masculine exploration of identity, Mullholland Drive a feminine exploration of identity, both within the context of "the artist" faced with self-annalysis through that representing all they have lost with age, a younger self, who possesses all they no longer own. Both films are about the relationship with the self, they're about total narcs, basically. I'm very surprised to hear how well Mullholland has been received in America. Glad, but surprised.

AARON DARC, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I <3 Mulholland Drive.

I also <3 the dvd extras. That French interviewer guy is hilariously bad.

W4LTER, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00020HB7S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

chakles, Saturday, 26 January 2008 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link

swimming pool was good

there must be another mulholland drive thread -- there is, in fact. theories.

Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link

two hot movies one hit price

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 26 January 2008 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link

"Swimming Pool" was fucking dire.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 26 January 2008 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

i think that needs a bit of explaining alex

just too slow for you?

i thought the juxtaposition of the different phases of femininity was enthralling, along with the sheer magnetism of a French girl at her youthful prime. highly entertaining character studies.

Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I've never heard them called that before.

Alba, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link

=P

Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

It felt unfinished to me, what can I tell you.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i liked ludivine sagnier's boobs

remy bean, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah she was totally hot and mesmerizing.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 January 2008 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link

yah

Hurting 2, Saturday, 26 January 2008 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

"Were it not for David Lynch," Cyrus asserts, "Miley would never have been Hannah Montana."

Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201103/billy-ray-cyrus-mr-hannah-montana-miley#ixzz1E3WhYLo8

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 19:03 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

was looking for something else & found my ticket stub from seeing this -http://oi42.tinypic.com/33bob6e.jpg

johnny crunch, Friday, 5 July 2013 00:06 (seven years ago) link

lol fuk

johnny crunch, Friday, 5 July 2013 00:07 (seven years ago) link

Woah, I just watched this for the very first time last night. What can this mean?

So: The Answers (or something), Friday, 5 July 2013 07:25 (seven years ago) link

My wife and I watched this together right before it went off netflix. It was pretty much our first artsy movie together, I think. Usually we watch Kung fu movies or comedies when the kids aren't monopolizing the tv. She was so pissed off at me.

how's life, Friday, 5 July 2013 16:55 (seven years ago) link

ha ha!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 July 2013 17:17 (seven years ago) link

Came here with some half-thoughts about mulholland drive, now just want to talk about how bad swimming pool is.

But maybe there's something in that juxtaposition of two films which you might categorise as 'films with sex in them'.

The Lynch film doesn't pretend not to be soft porn in its soft porn parts, whereas swimming pool spent most of its time trying to convince you that it was worthy and artistic or something.

Mulholland is also as scary and unsettling as anything Lynch has ever done, whereas swimming pool is just creepy in ways it doesn't intend. The teenage girl's character was very obviously written by a man for a male audience.

Mulholland also continued Lynch's thing of looking at the - well, I'm not going to say 'seedy underbelly of Puritan America', but you know what I mean, using the idea of the proper and the improper, a sympathy with both the nice sunny world and the dark forbidden world. Whereas swimming pool was pushing a strained 'Look, here in France we are sexy and do not care!' sensibility which by now is pretty much its own white picket fence.

And look how MD uses the conventions of Hollywood, noir, and Americana and makes them into something that frightens you, whereas SP claims to be Artistic European Cinema and ends up boring you.

Dunno. This is all tentative and I'm aware that people here know Lynch better than I do.

cardamon, Friday, 5 July 2013 19:37 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Blu-ray on Criterion in October

http://www.criterion.com/films/28050-mulholland-dr

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:13 (five years ago) link

*faints*

velcoro pharmacy & provisions (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:19 (five years ago) link

Would be happier if not for the region-locking.

chihuahuau, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 22:49 (five years ago) link

It would be cool if they included the 'pilot' cut in the extras

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 23:15 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

this is so cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh6JtllRkPQ

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:57 (three years ago) link

interesting to go back and see so little enthusiasm for this when it came out. this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?

akm, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:20 (three years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00020HB7S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

taking sides

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:22 (three years ago) link

yeah it is weird, also strange that there's comparatively little press or promo for this. No talkshows iirc, total opposite of Lost Highway media blitz. Don't know why.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:23 (three years ago) link

Lynch was on Leno when Mulholland Drive came out in 2001

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:35 (three years ago) link

I seem to remember MD was pretty big at the time. It got a swag of awards and nominations. My memory is that it came at a time when Lynch's reputation had tapered off somewhat, and this put him right back on the pedestal.

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:38 (three years ago) link

The media consensus was that Lynch had lost his way. I think the expectation after Lost Highway was that he would go on making critically divisive, minor cult films. People had also largely heard that MD was a rejected TV pilot with some new footage tacked on. This was one of those unexpected comebacks that has a hell of an impact.

Chris L, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:46 (three years ago) link

this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?

Try best.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:14 (three years ago) link

And it won the NYFCC's best film award, along with iirc the Village Voice critics poll.

Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:15 (three years ago) link

eric OTM

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:17 (three years ago) link

yes

flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:22 (three years ago) link

"So little enthusiasm" -- wha??

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:25 (three years ago) link

Naomi Watts even got faint Oscar buzz

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:25 (three years ago) link

so little enthusiasm in this thread, i think they meant

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:29 (three years ago) link

yes, I meant this thread

akm, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:39 (three years ago) link

Mulholland Drive came out when ILX was down and all the discus was on the Sandbox iirc

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:24 (three years ago) link

yah we were goin nutz for it i saw it like 5 times in the theater

Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 07:42 (three years ago) link

there's a couple of copies of ilx.thehold.net and sandbox.thehold.net on archive.org but I can't find that discussion I think

StanM, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 08:58 (three years ago) link

i saw this in the theater when it came out, it was amazing, and i was on ILX at the time, but didnt really bother posting here. don't take the lack of posts for a lack of enthusiasm me and my friends drove around the parking lot afterwards screaming with joy.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:28 (three years ago) link

i saw it when it came out and immediately stabbed my eyes out so i would never see another movie ever again

na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:33 (three years ago) link

....naido?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:34 (three years ago) link

NA eyed 0

Holy shit lynch is a genius

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:35 (three years ago) link

lol

na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:40 (three years ago) link

it was right there, staring us all in the face for all these years

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:42 (three years ago) link

I've lived scenes like Diane's at that party: being alert to humiliations from people once in your life, being seated beside weary sour old ladies while a beat box pitter-patters in the background.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:21 (three days ago) link

Btw, I was very satisfied w/my 3rd viewing... I picked out even a few more connections btw. the two sections that I hadn't noticed before; and even the "extra pieces" which aren't so easily incorporated – Club Silencio, the old couple, the "bum" behind Winkie's – seemed to make a sort of sense to me.

However you "interpret" those elements – or even if you just think they're random surrealism (ha) – I think they're necessary to keep the story from feeling too pat and "just-so," if that makes sense.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:35 (three days ago) link

Sadly, it’s not a very “quotable” movie (my only knock against it!); that’s one of the few lines that qualifies. Maybe also, “Don’t drink all the Coke!”


Partly just by virtue of having seen it so many times, multiple lines often run through my head (“Now I'm in this dream place”, “I’m in love with you, I’m in love with you”, “This is the girl!”, “Just pretend you didn’t see it; it’s better that way”, “You’re not broke, but you’re broke” etc) but I guess apart from the espresso scene the one that really feels quotable is the Cowboy, esp. “No, you’re not thinking; you’re too busy being a smart alec to be thinking”.

Weirdly, I can’t remember that Coke quote at all!

Alba, Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:36 (three days ago) link

Good call, a few of those others you mentioned are good lines (huh, I hadn’t processed the relevance of “this dream place”—glad you highlighted it!)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:39 (three days ago) link

I watched the beginning of the Behind the Scenes segment on the Blu-ray – it opens with the Diane/hitman scene in the diner, and Naomi Watts keeps tripping over the line: "It's just an actress's photo resume!" Funny that Lynch insisted on using that phrase, rather than just "headshot."

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:54 (three days ago) link

the one that really feels quotable is the Cowboy, esp. “No, you’re not thinking; you’re too busy being a smart alec to be thinking”.

"There's sometimes a buggy. How many drivers does a buggy have?"

peace, man, Sunday, 18 April 2021 11:30 (two days ago) link

^
Buggy seals it

calstars, Sunday, 18 April 2021 12:13 (two days ago) link

In the Blu-ray extras, Justin Theroux tells a great anecdote about filming that scene. The producer guy who played the Cowboy didn’t/couldn’t learn his lines, so Lynch ended up taping them to Theroux’s head, face, and chest... he was literally reading them aloud for the performance.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 14:49 (two days ago) link

One thing I remember from one of the extras was Laura Harring talking about the direction Lynch gave her for her stumbling walk though the hills. “You’re like a broken doll”, which she found very useful. It struck me, because I’m pretty sure I heard him give exactly the same direction to an actress in another of his works, maybe Phoebe Augustine in Twin Peaks, or Isabella Rossellini in Blue Velvet or Sherilyn Fenn in Wild at Heart or, well, you get the idea.

That childhood experience he talks about with the naked bloody woman staggering out of the darkness runs deep, eh?

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:00 (two days ago) link

For leading Diane up the “secret path” to the dinner party, he told her to “walk like a kitty cat.”

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:04 (two days ago) link

Also, TIL that she retains the title Countess von Bismarck-Schönhausen from an early marriage

https://www.bfi.org.uk/interviews/david-lynch-laura-harring-mulholland-dr

Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:15 (two days ago) link

Just learned that too! Btw, she has a shitty agent:

While fellow cast members Naomi Watts, Patrick Fischler, Robert Forster, Brent Briscoe and Bonnie Aarons (the terrifying hobo) are in the upcoming season of Twin Peaks, Harring’s name is noticeably absent. “My agent didn’t want me to be one of the 200 cameos,” she explains. Instead, her agent held out for a more substantial role that didn’t materialise.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:18 (two days ago) link

(Bonnie Aarons was not in The Return, btw. But Vincent Castallanos, the bro who gets the (er) head shot, is another actor who was.)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:31 (two days ago) link

My guess is that Harring would have had the Ashley Judd part.

Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:25 (two days ago) link

What else of interest was she ever in?

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:38 (two days ago) link

xp I was thinking that, too—though that’s a pretty substantial role!

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:38 (two days ago) link

Hot take : the return is about 15 hours too long

calstars, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:41 (two days ago) link

In terms of screen time though Judd could have probably filmed all her scenes in a day. And as far as I know most everyone but Kyle was paid scale. That’s probably what the agent saw.

Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:42 (two days ago) link

BTW she must have hired a new agent in between TP:TR and when she had a wordless cameo in the Inland Empire credits.

Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:44 (two days ago) link

Or they thought a wordless cameo in a home movie's credits was fine, bu a speaking role in a highly-publicised prestige TV series for a major cable channel deserved better.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 18 April 2021 19:20 (two days ago) link

Sure seems like she was on a lot of magazine covers though, Spanish language or otherwise.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 02:24 (yesterday) link

Okay, rewatched this, slow-watched and then speed-watched, over the weekend for the first time since it came out and can't stop thinking about it.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:36 (yesterday) link

Just want to call out my favorite shot from the movie. The long zoom-out at the start of this clip, from what looks like a live musical performance to what is then revealed as a radio broadcast and then as a filmed scene of a radio broadcast. It breaks the 4th wall and just keeps on breaking them. I think it's a perfect little encapsulation of what the movie has to say about both filmmaking and storytelling in general, including the stories we tell ourselves. Also, it's just gorgeous to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGOla3r6IhA

Yeah, that was good, just as you describe.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:07 (yesterday) link

and they're in drag!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:10 (yesterday) link

btw thanks to MD I briefly thought Justin Theroux was smokin' hot.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:11 (yesterday) link

Same. I got over it by the Charlie's Angels sequel tho.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:22 (yesterday) link

At which point I entered this phase:

https://i.redd.it/l803gndh1zc21.jpg

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:23 (yesterday) link

I’d never noticed that!

What is slow-watching, James? Like stopping and starting or actual slo-no?

Alba, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:31 (yesterday) link

and they're in drag!

Yep, another layer of masks/performances.

xp was just gonna ask is "slow-watching" ... watching a movie from front to back in normal time?

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:46 (yesterday) link

How do you view that scene in relation to Rebekah Del Rio's performance at Club Silencio?

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:46 (yesterday) link

I never connected this scene to Club Silencio - no hay banda indeed

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:47 (yesterday) link

oops sorry

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:47 (yesterday) link

(btw, this is the point on which the interviewer weirdly tried to buttonhole Lynch, in that DVD booklet interview)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:49 (yesterday) link

(I hadn't made the connection, I'm too dense - guess the i'viewer wanted to show off that he did, lol)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:50 (yesterday) link

yeah me neither, is what my post was meant to say

another favourite little thing from this film is the way the camera continuously rises in the shots in Winkies while Dan describes his dream

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:53 (yesterday) link

^word! when I first watched it, I was all "wtf?" Lynch actually talks about that in the same interview; apparently it took some work to rig up the right equipment for that effect in that small space (I had assumed it was just handheld).

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:55 (yesterday) link

!!

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:00 (yesterday) link

Yes, Eric H is correct, slow-watching is watching in normal time, maybe even backtracking on occasion, as opposed to running out of time because the purchase is due to expire and or it is time to sleep - what dreams may come? - and so FFWDing through bits and speedwatching.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:02 (yesterday) link

How do you view that scene in relation to Rebekah Del Rio's performance at Club Silencio?

I think both that scene and Betty's amazing audition scene relate directly to Club Silencio, all of them play with the ways film and art create artificial realities that can convey and resonate with deep, real emotions. It's kind of the ultimate magic trick, I'll show you how it's done, but you'll still feel it anyway.

Dum, da-dum
Da-da-da-da-da-da-da
Oh, baby, I've told every little star

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:48 (yesterday) link

xp Nice, thx

Oh, baby, I've told every little star

I've always liked that song... not sure how I feel about it used in this context (can you ever hear Roy Orbison's "In Dreams" as non-creepy, after the Blue Velvet treatment?), but it was a good choice! (I had never heard "Sixteen Reasons Why I Love You" before.)

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:56 (yesterday) link

idgi, who's in drag?

Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:02 (yesterday) link

Does he use Roy Orbison in other films besides this one and the other canonical one mentioned?

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:07 (yesterday) link

Hm. Apparently Lynch actually first heard "Crying," which led to him listening to more of the Big O and putting "In Dreams" in Blue Velvet. In my own Silencio Repertory Theater I will imagine how he would use "Leah" in a scene.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:20 (yesterday) link

Or what would have happened if he had discovered The Louvin Brothers instead.

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:21 (yesterday) link

Here's Lynch on that song:

Rebekah just wanted to come over for a coffee and sing in front of us. She didn't want to record anything, but she came in and four minutes later—I think before she'd had her coffee—she's in the booth. And the one take that she sang, four minutes off the street, is the vocal that's in the film. THE ACTUAL RECORDING!

The weird thing is that she chose to sing that particular Roy Orbison song. I was about to start shooting Blue Velvet, and "Crying" came on the radio. I said, "Jeez! I've got to get that song to see if it would work in the film." In the end, it wasn't quite right, but I started listening to other cuts, and "In Dreams" came up. (...) Rebekah knows Barbara Orbison, Roy's second wife, and she's the one who translated "Crying" into Spanish, but it's just so strange that that was the song that was almost in Blue Velvet.

Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:30 (yesterday) link

Oh, so that's why there is a Barbara Orbison credit/thanks in there. Great story, thanks!

Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 19:28 (yesterday) link


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