Do Europeen (and hell other 1st world nations) countries have national debts comparable to the United States' (per capita debt?)?

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I'm going to guess "no" since we footed the bill for protecting your cheese-smelling asses from communism and terrorism.

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you saying my ass smells of cheese or likes smelling cheese?

Nil, Friday, 29 October 2004 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not a very nice way to go about asking for a loan, Jon.

adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also - you'll get screwed by the exchange rate.

adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Could I have some cheese, please.

Anyway, my question was serious, asside from my pigheadness.

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

pigheadedness

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

can i plz have comunism and my money back.

:|, Friday, 29 October 2004 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

or rahter, can the government have my money back.

:|, Friday, 29 October 2004 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, You might want to ask for a refund cos I dont think you protected Poland (for example) from communism between 1945 and 1990 particualarly well, or Spain (or even the UK) from terrorism.

Nil, Friday, 29 October 2004 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Yea, well let us know when you repay the debt of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SLAIN AMERICAN BOYS who defended you ponces from Germany.

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

our country supported Germany so frankly you're not getting a cent off us.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

According to that logic, Jon, they owe the defeat of Nazism to Russia. Also, per capita, Britain and France lost more dead in WWII than we did.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

PLUS ALL THE MUNITIONS & SUPPLIES SENT OVER WHILE HIDING BEHIND NEUTRALITY - THAT ONE REALLY ADDED UP BIG TIME $$$!!!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

TO BOTH SIDES!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Also the French helped us win the American Revolution. So thank a Frenchman, because if it weren't for them we'd all be speaking English today.

Nemo (JND), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Are there even universally agreed-upon definitions for First World, Second World and Third World?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

No.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think so.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

1. United States $10.45 trillion (2002 est.)
2. Germany $2.16 trillion (2002 est.)
3. France $1.558 trillion (2002 est.)
4. United Kingdom $1.528 trillion (2002 est.)
5. Italy $1.455 trillion (2002 est.)
6. Canada $934.1 billion (2002 est.)
7. Mexico $924.4 billion (2002 est.)
8. Spain $850.7 billion (2002 est.)
9. Netherlands $437.8 billion (2002 est.)
10. Poland $373.2 billion (2002 est.)
11. Belgium $299.7 billion (2002 est.)
12. Switzerland $233.4 billion (2002 est.)
13. Sweden $230.7 billion (2002 est.)
14. Austria $227.7 billion (2002 est.)
15. Greece $203.3 billion (2002 est.)
16. Portugal $195.2 billion (2002 est.)
17. Romania $169.3 billion (2002 est.)
18. Czech Republic $157.1 billion (2002 est.)
19. Denmark $155.3 billion (2002 est.)
20. Norway $149.1 billion (2002 est.)
21. Hungary $134 billion (2002 est.)
22. Finland $133.8 billion (2002 est.)
23. Ireland $113.7 billion (2002 est.)
24. Belarus $90.19 billion (2002 est.)
25. Slovakia $67.34 billion (2002 est.)
26. Bulgaria $49.23 billion (2002 est.)
27. Croatia $43.12 billion (2002 est.)
28. Slovenia $37.06 billion (2002 est.)
29. Lithuania $30.08 billion (2002 est.)
30. Serbia and Montenegro $23.15 billion (2002 est.)
31. Luxembourg $21.94 billion (2002 est.)
32. Latvia $20.99 billion (2002 est.)
33. Albania $15.69 billion (2002 est.)
34. Estonia $15.52 billion (2002 est.)
35. Moldova $11.51 billion (2002 est.)
36. Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of $10.57 billion (2002 est.)
37. Bosnia and Herzegovina $7.3 billion (2002 est.)
38. Malta $6.818 billion (2002 est.)
39. Bermuda $2.25 billion (2002 est.)
40. Jersey $2.2 billion (1999 est.)
41. Man, Isle of $1.6 billion (2001 est.)
42. Andorra $1.3 billion (2000 est.)
43. Guernsey $1.3 billion (1999 est.)
44. Faroe Islands $1 billion (2001 est.)
45. San Marino $940 million (2001 est.)
46. Monaco $870 million (1999 est.)
47. Liechtenstein $825 million (1999 est.)
48. Gibraltar $500 million (1997 est.)
49. Saint Pierre and Miquelon $74 million - supplemented by annual payments from France of about $60 million (1996 est.)
50. Holy See (Vatican City)
Total $23.54 trillion
Weighted Average $3.83 trillion

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry that's not per capita, so maybe not that helpful

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

oh goddammit that's GDP too. ignore me.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone got stats on Allied repayments to the US over the last 50 years? Didnt the US take ownership of some UK assets in America as upfront payment towards arms?

NIl, Friday, 29 October 2004 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Woah, Romania be rackin' in ducats!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't have that to hand, but the remaining UK WW2 debt repayments are:
December 2004 - USD145 Million
December 2005 - USD142 Million
December 2006 - USD83 Million
USD4.336 Trillion was borrowed comprising USD3.75 Trillion Line of Credit and a Lend-Lease loan of 586 Million USD.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

threads like this only make me more like Mark C - is that really what people want?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://base58.com/ilx/chickenreason.jpg

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

WE ARE ALL MADE OF BARRY

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

:(

beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

has TS: JW vs CRW been done already?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, actually. It ended in GIFs.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

oh good

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2186.html


Here are some randomly chosen countries:

France:

Public debt: 68.8% of GDP (2003)


Germany:

Public debt: 64.2% of GDP (2003)


U.S.:

Public debt: 62.4% of GDP (2003)


UK:

Public debt: 51% of GDP (2003)


Netherlands:

Public debt: 54.1% of GDP (2003)


Italy:

Public debt: 106.4% of GDP (2003)

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

yay italy!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Grazie.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Public debt. This entry records the cumulative total of all government borrowings less repayments that are denominated in a country's home currency. Public debt should not be confused with external debt, which reflects the foreign currency liablities of both the private and public sector and must be financed out of foreign exchange earnings.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, per capita, Britain and France lost more dead in WWII than we did.

Not just per capita - of total dead, Russia (most at 29 million), Poland, Germany, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, France, Italy and Great Britain lost more lives than the US (413,000). I don't think it's rediculous to attribut the allied victory more to the Soviet union than to the USA. (that doesn't devalue any wasted life, of course).

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Jsut curious: does anyone know how the pre-Great War population of Russia (meaning all former USSR countries) compares to the population today? I was thinking after WWI, the Revolution, WWII and Stalin how anyone could be left.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link


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