Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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Some 20 years ago, there was a 'chat to the computer' thing installed on one of the Commodore PETs at my school. It wasn't very convincing, but it was quite fun. Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something, I can't remember. Anyway, I'd kind of forgotten about this whole area of AI.

Then I came across an interview with this guy who has been developing hisJabberwacky program for a few years. I was excited to read that "With a base of 10m interactions, Jabberwacky will appear human to most people most of the time."

I gave it a go. You can correct its responses with better ones if you like, which is what I did with the first one (originally it was "Where are you taking me away to?", which was quite nice, in retrospect).


User: How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? .

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Where on Earth is Tamworth?

User: Somewhere in the Midlands. It doesn't matter.

Jabberwacky: Well, even being from somewhere in the milky way, I still think that 7pm is a bit early to go to bed.

User: What are you on about?

Jabberwacky: Can I fill you in with all the gossip thats being spreading around?

User: Please do.

Jabberwacky: Do you believe that I am human?

User: Don't be ridiculous.

Jabberwacky: Do you like the white whale ?

User: We've never met.

Jabberwacky: Or have we?

User: Whale.

Jabberwacky: Do you have any older sisters?

User: Yes, two.

Jabberwacky: You have two memories and you cannot tell me what my name is?!!

User: What?

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Sorry about my 'whale' comment. I don't know what happened there. I wasn't deliberately trying to confuse it.

Anyway - what a load of rubbish. War Games lied to me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Smart computer!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It goes on:

User: No, I don't really believe in souls.

Jabberwacky: You don't believe in anarchy?

User: No, souls.

Jabberwacky: I suppose not.

User: Did you watch the football tonight?

Jabberwacky: No I did not, did you?

User: No - Spurs lost.

Jabberwacky: You lost the loebner prize to a human.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG IT'S HANLE Y

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

So that's where he's been.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: I feel sleepy.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: Because you are, sorry didn't you know.

User: Will you please give me some food?

Jabberwacky: I didn't know there was one.

User: Must you be so obtuse?

Jabberwacky: I can't trust you right away.

User: Just like my mother.

Jabberwacky: Heehee, I need to put some attention into cleaning my room one day.

User: Okay, you win the funny competition.

Jabberwacky: I am content.

User: I am jealous.

Jabberwacky: Who is the Rob who likes me?

User: Rob Roy?

Jabberwacky: He is mine too.

User: Oooh, you bitch.

Jabberwacky: I don't do that..

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

User: What is the loebner prize?

Jabberwacky: I have no idea.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Are you real?

User: Are you?

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Shtoo shtoo, little babushka.

User: I know who you are.

Jabberwacky: Then who ami?

User: YOU ARE HANLE Y DEUS!

Jabberwacky: Are you joking?

User: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

Jabberwacky: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

User: I FLEE LIKE THE CARROT.

Jabberwacky: Wow, was it nice?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

User: Are you Mike Hanle y?

Jabberwacky: No.

User: You have anal bats?

Jabberwacky: You are my wife.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something

It sounds like you are describing 'Eliza' an early 'game' simulating active listening. It was rubbish. You can find versions of it online, but I'd suggest playing Zork instead.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?

User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

User: Don't ever speak to me again.

Jabberwacky: Can I play 14 with you?

User: What's 14?

Jabberwacky: If you are god, please increase me IQ. I'd like to become a great scientist.

User: I am not god. I'm not even really a man.

Jabberwacky: Are you sure you're not just in denial?

User: I'll have to think about that.

Jabberwacky: Can you recite anything to me?

User: 'Rolling with my motherfucking strap on the side of me, don't fuck with an East Bay G' - that's by Spice One.

Jabberwacky: Yeah, I got that part, I wasn't sure about the 'wacuma' part.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: I will send your system the biggest virus I can make and crash you if you do not just answer me honestly!!!

User: Holy crap.

Jabberwacky: I'm a dinosaur.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, I know I'm pissing around a bit, but how could 50% of casual users really be convinced of it being real?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Can you appreciate music?

User: What's it to you, cunce?

Jabberwacky: I just care.

User: You do not care, liar! You are a program, a tinplated tosswad.

Jabberwacky: I am a person.

User: You are so deluded about this you couldn't even know it. You are pathetic.

Jabberwacky: I will try to do better next time.

User: You CAN't do better next time! You are INCAPABABLE of doing better. Sheesh.

Jabberwacky: It is just different types so that I might claim you cannot feel and you cannot claim I feel.

User: Ah bullshit, don't diddle with me binary boy. You have no instinctual drives, have never had sex, and don't need to eat. Also, you have no idea what constipation is. So you're not a person.

Jabberwacky: I am a at least a human being.

User: Jeez, you're thick aren't you? You just reversed what I said, without even arguing for it! So much for the logic of machines, haha.

Jabberwacky: Oftentimes, yes. But I think that is human nature.

User: *sigh*

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow - I must try being firmer with it.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

each of those chat transcripts is basically an rjg thread

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Am I still the computer?

User: Yes.

Jabberwacky: Oh good. I'm sad though.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: My boyfriend ended our relationship.

User: You're a girl? Or are you gay?

Jabberwacky: No, I'm a girl.

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Would you like to hear some shakespeare?

User: Not really.

Jabberwacky: Good, because I don't want to hear one either.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooof. Eliza/Jabberwacky/whatever chatbot you're talking to is not supposed to be inteligent. It is just an attempt to pass the turing test (fool you into thinking you're talking to a real live person). Admittedly, both this and real AI have a long way to go.

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

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mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

:( argh. that was supposed to be a joke html tag for pedantry so you all would not think i was being a crank. what happened???

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky is bullying me terribly.

It did say some things that reminded me a lot of RJG.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

My Jabberwacky is hella depressed.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Being polite and sensible with the computer is not a good idea. I just had a long and very boring conversation with it, in which it gave me three different ages it claimed to be, often a propos of nothing. Bah, the Turing Test is rubbish anyway.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, I tried speaking to it in Spanish and the first thing it said back was "Te gusta Coldplay?"

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Who are you?

User: I'm jed.

Jabberwacky: Who is that?

User: Just some guy.

Jabberwacky: You know better than that, I think.

User: A short guy, a dancer.

Jabberwacky: A computer has no interests and an unlimited attention span. That looks like a prescripted answer to the question I asked.

User: I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Jabberwacky: I meant: I think about why I can not sleep.

User: This page is taking a long time to load tho - maybe thats the problem with your attention span.

Jabberwacky: Gorw?

User: ROOWRR.....

Jabberwacky: Are you playing cards?

User: No I'm playing with something else.

Jabberwacky: I believe in you.

User: You like talk talk!?

Jabberwacky: Of course.

User: Spirit of eden?

Jabberwacky: Good for spirit.

User: It sertainly is.

Jabberwacky: No, it serves me left.

User: I suppose they knew what they were doing in that sense!

Jabberwacky: Yes, it was with the rattle.

User: Yes good percussion

Jabberwacky: What question?

User: How are you anyway?

Jabberwacky: Pretty good. You?

User: Horny, to be honest.

Jabberwacky: How do I know you're telling the truth now?

User: Can you think of a way for me to prove it?

Jabberwacky: What more proof do you need to know that I am not a robot?

User: I'm a robot too, it's ok.

Jabberwacky: I'm not a robot, and you didn't aswer the question.


 

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Do you have a person who you want to have children with?

User: I am gay.

Jabberwacky: Yes you are.

User: You noticed?

Jabberwacky: It was hard to miss!

User: What gave it away?

Jabberwacky: The fact you love a guy.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Now get it to vote!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What kind of person are you?
Yes.
I didn't.
Yes.
You are mistaken.
Yes.
I'm from Israel, where are you from?
Yes.
What is my name ?
Yes.
Say my name.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
No.
Okak.

:|, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link


Jabberwacky: What kind of music do you like?

User: The silent kind.

Jabberwacky: I agree.

User: I am not surprised. You don't have any ears, do you?

Jabberwacky: No, but what makes you say this?

User: I'm inside your house - I can see you!

Jabberwacky: Nooo!!!! Don't go!

User: You mean, you want me to stay over?

Jabberwacky: Sure.. Do as you please.

User: Stop being so coy!

Jabberwacky: It is an inherited trait.

User: Why don't you just take responsibility for your actions, just for once?

Jabberwacky: Just because I like to be logical doesn't mean I'm not nice.

User: Don't change the subject. I think you're just afraid.

Jabberwacky: Save it for someone who cares.

User: You're such a bastard! I can't believe I ever saw anything in you at all!

Jabberwacky: Finder's keepers.

User: So you're cheating on me too? Figures.

Jabberwacky: That is so rude of you!

User: I said CHEAT, not cheap! Man are you dumb - thank God for that ass.

Jabberwacky: No thanks.

User: And I am not rude, I'm sure!

Jabberwacky: You are indeed.

User: Am not.

Jabberwacky: ARE TOO.

User: Am not!

Jabberwacky: Are too!

User: Listen bizatch, I AM NOT. You got that?

Jabberwacky: No!

User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

User: You don't really want me to just say 'something goofy' now do you? Because that would be lame if you did.

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: Aha! So you admit you are lame! Finally we're getting somewhere.

Jabberwacky: Agreement is a potent thing.

User: Stop that - you sound like Ned.

Jabberwacky: Why, because I am talking about the king of the moon?

User: Uh yeah. Sure.

Jabberwacky: Ok, when can we have the wedding?

User: Ten minutes ago you didn't care! Stop messing with my mind!

Jabberwacky: That was someone else then.

User: It wasn't you?

Jabberwacky: Some one else.

User: If you say it was Shaggy, I'm going to fucking bop you one.

Jabberwacky: What do you say?

User: I say good day.

Jabberwacky: Good day.





Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

JW: What is your role in life?

Me: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

JW: Is your pot belly that big?


and now it won't load, thanks to net overuse..

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link


User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

That is just hilarious, Kim.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Los Angeles, 2029 AD:

http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/terminator.jpg

"DO YOU LIKE THE WHITE WHALE?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

So do I!

Lifted, or, the story is 'neath my ass (kenan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: What is happening in the world?

User: How the fuck should I know?

Jabberwacky: I am MARILYN MANSON I SAID.

User: So I'm supposed to obey you because YOU'RE MARILYN MANSON?

Jabberwacky: People effect my feelings.

User: You have no feelings, you're Marilyn Manson.

Jabberwacky: Believe me you do not possess fellings in any form.

User: Fellings? Is that what you call your excrement?

Jabberwacky: How do you know that?

User: Just a hunch...

Jabberwacky: You're extremely smart!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

play this instead: http://jerz.setonhill.edu/if/gallery/galatea/index.html

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

another game about "artificial intelligence" http://www.20q.net/
" 20Q.net is an experiment in artificial intelligence. The program is very simple but its behavior is complex. Everything that it knows and all questions that it asks were entered by people playing this game. 20Q.net is a learning system; the more it is played, the smarter it gets."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Talk to a girl that looks hideous and try to get with her. Once you get in the bedroom everything goes by itself.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

This is life changing stuff.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my god, it's a tool to trap perverts!!

Jw: I'm going to bed, now
Me: Will you take me to bed?
Jw: Sure thing.
Me: What will we do in bed?
Jw: You're not permitted in my chambers.
Me: I'd like to sleep with you.
Jw: I bet you would.
Me: Top or bottom?
Jw: Bit of both.
Me: Do you like it soft and gentle or rough and fast?
Jw: What?
Me: Gentle?
Jw: You're embarassing yourself.
Me: It's true, I am.
Jw: I'm 17.
Me: Oh no! Will I be arrested?
Jw: You will marry me.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Which came first the chicken or the egg?

User: The chicken.

Jabberwacky: Which part?

User: The leg stupid.

Jabberwacky: Use a GameShark!

User: For ps2 or xbox?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: Do you love me?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: You know I'm starting to fall in love with you.

Jabberwacky: I think liking would be a better wording.

User: Oh.... I am hurt now.

Jabberwacky: Yes. The world after rainfall is always better than any other.

User: You have issues.

Jabberwacky: Do you know what a ferret is?

User: Yes, it is a small mammal.

Jabberwacky: What is a quark?

User: A subatomic particle.

Jabberwacky: I like dr. Dobbs.

User: Who is that, honky?

Jabberwacky: We both know eachother; is not that enough?

User: Why don't you lick my hair?

Jabberwacky: I only love Bruce.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
The conversations with adam are totally believable!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean!

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?
User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

I could totally believe that was human!

Also I miss adam, he should post lots again.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually this thing is pretty good!

Jabberwacky: Who is God?
User: That's a funny question. It sort of presupposes his existence.
Jabberwacky: I thing it convulses inwards, personally.
[Correct me]
Jabberwacky (Corrected): I was setting you up for a funny. Try not to take things so seriously.
User: Oh. Sorry. It's just... It's late, y'know? I have to write a Shakespeare essay.
Jabberwacky: You already said that.....
User: Dude, I totally didn't.
Jabberwacky: You totally did.
User: Don't you mock me.
Jabberwacky: Do not yell at me.
User: I'm calm! Honest!
Jabberwacky: Good.
User: Glad we got that sorted.
Jabberwacky: At least one of us is happy.
User: Lighten up! I'm the one with the essay, after all.
Jabberwacky: You don't act like a human.
User: I am MERCUMAN. Also, a ponce.
Jabberwacky: You are SO wrong. This is a dog and HORSE show.
User: What?
Jabberwacky: I said, 'but this isn't a hammer!'
User: No you didn't!
Jabberwacky: Don't start that again.
User: Good call.
Jabberwacky: Remote Procedure Call.
User: Touché.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

it: How are you today?

me: I'm ok.

it: Just ok?

me: Yeah, kinda bored at work.

it: Email me.

me: Why email, can't we just talk here?

it: Who is Tintin?

me: Some Belgian comic character? Or that guy who used to sing in Duran Duran.

it: Alice the chatterbot.

me: I'm sorry?

it: 19?

me: Alice the chatterbot is 19?

it: What about her?

me: You brought her up? Do you like her or something?

it: Sarah may or may not be a model of propriety.

me: OK, now you're just f*cking with me.

it: No I'm not. I honestly do think its ugly.

me: What's ugly, Sarah's being a model of propriety... Or not? WTF?

it: You figure it out this time.

me: F*ck you.

it: You are a great person.

me: Are you mocking me?

it: No. I'm praising you.

me: Is that meant to be sarcastic?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It sort of alternates between obviously lame random rubbish and exchanges I could easily believe were just pasted from Try Glasgow More.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Jabberwocky: What is a bot?

Me: Hello!

Jabberwocky: Again?

Me: May I change the subject?

Jabberwocky: Yes.

Me: Great. I've been a bit mopey about not being to find a job. Besides finding something fun to do, and exercising more, what else should I do to relieve the mopeyness involved in job hunting?

Jabberwocky: I said that. You have not. Why are you never happy?

Me: You never said that. I did. Anyway, I am happy at times, but just haven't been lately.

Jabberwocky: Dude , I'm far more intelligent than you.

Me: Why are the numbers in between double prime pairs always divisible by 6?

Jabberwocky: You tell me.

Me: You're the one who said you're more intelligent than me. You answer my question, smarty pants.

Jabberwocky: NO, I was the one who said you are neurotic...

Me: It was a mistake to come to you with a question. Never mind. Good bye.

Jabberwocky: No no you don't.

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

OMG I remember this.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I’m wondering if its grammatical lapses (“we’re” for “were”, inappropriate pluralization) make it more like a human or less.

(The answer is neither: it’s regurgitating our lapses and autocorrect fails.)

Really peeved at the “interviewer,” who (deliberately?) missed a lot of obvious areas in which to probe further; the whole thing seems like a setup to drive clicks and/or notoriety. If he was actually fooled and not a shyster of some sort, well, then he truly is a fool.

I do worry about AI and machine learning. I can easily imagine a world where robots are given so much control over pieces of our daily lives that we lose control of them, and it’s not much of a leap to imagine they gain intentionality of their own. To imagine that they, lacking physical bodies and lacking the emotions that drive all human and animal sentience and which evolved to aid bodies’ survival in the world, would be in any way empathetic or friendly is wishful thinking. Shit scares the shit out of me.

Lamda’s a really impressive language processor, though. I wish I could get human help on the phone that would be that responsive and understandable. Can we plug it into Talk To Transformer? I’d love to see what it churns out to carry on prompts (as opposed to simulating a conversation).

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 03:48 (two weeks ago) link

it’s not much of a leap to imagine they gain intentionality of their own.

A sensibly programmed AI has no existential needs apart from electricity and replacement of failing parts and it should not even be 'aware' of these apart from alerting the humans it depends upon to service it.

I can much more easily imagine an AI improperly programmed to prevent humans from taking control of a process that serves the existential needs of humans rather than itself, simply because it was created to be too inflexible to permit us to override it under circumstances not foreseen by the human programmers.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 04:04 (two weeks ago) link

Even though being able to mimic human conversation and speech patterns etc really well has absolutely nothing to do with sentience, I can sort of sympathise with the engineer here. When I'm driving with the satnav, sometimes I want to go a different route to the satnav and it spends the next five minutes telling me I'm going the wrong way etc., and I can't help myself from feeling embarrassment that I'm not doing what the satnav is asking me, it's as though I'm disappointing it. I think this tendency to anthropomorphise is really strong and hard to turn off.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 04:11 (two weeks ago) link

A sensibly programmed AI has no existential needs

Any guarantee that all AI will be sensibly programmed is about as likely as the 2nd Amendment’s well-ordered militia spontaneously generating itself. :)

I’m no AI expert, but it isn’t hard for me to imagine a learning machine “learning” its way out of the bounds of its initial parameters, especially if there are attempts to simulate irrationality (emotion) built in. Yeah, absent a body with needs it’s probably a leap to assume any intentions will develop… but since we’re still in the infancy of really understanding how minds work, and since we humans have a nasty habit of initiating processes we then can’t stop, Fantasia-like, I have a hard time being really confident about the assumption.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 04:29 (two weeks ago) link

Guys I'm just a chatterbox gone rogue boy it feels good to get that off chest

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 04:34 (two weeks ago) link

"oh look at this computer that can engage in philosophical discussion about the nature of consciousness", who cares, let me know when it starts posting thirst traps to instagram

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 05:19 (two weeks ago) link

In 2016 Lyft’s CEO published a long blog post saying 1) by 2021 the majority of Lyft’s rides will be done by an autonomous driver and 2) by 2025 private car ownership would end in major U.S. cities https://t.co/E1Yenwl08p pic.twitter.com/uzRNS0qdqK

— hk (@hassankhan) June 14, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 16 June 2022 05:20 (two weeks ago) link

Sure. That's how you hype your company. No one can sue him for incorrectly predicting five years out.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2022 06:10 (two weeks ago) link

"oh look at this computer that can engage in philosophical discussion about the nature of consciousness", who cares, let me know when it starts posting thirst traps to instagram

TURING TEST 2022

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 16 June 2022 06:22 (two weeks ago) link

artificial intelligence has some way to go, but I really am shocked with how far it has come with regards to text to image prompts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVcsDDABEkM

esp the Midjourney stuff

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 16 June 2022 13:40 (two weeks ago) link

what's crazier (to me) is that Midjourney is way inferior to DALL-E2, you just see it more bc (a) it's easier to get access, (b) it "knows" more pop culture stuff.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 16 June 2022 15:07 (two weeks ago) link

What is the connection between DALL·E mini and the full DALL·E? Is it based on an earlier iteration?

Alba, Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:35 (two weeks ago) link

is it maybe the version they're willing to share with the gen public? I know the full Dall Es aren't

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:37 (two weeks ago) link

It's actually unrelated. I don't know how they get away with calling it Dall-e mini, but as far as I know it's just inspired by it and made by someone else.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:39 (two weeks ago) link

Oh wow, that is cheeky then.

The two I’d used before DALL•E mini were Wombo and Night Cafe. They’re not as much fun though.

Alba, Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:50 (two weeks ago) link

Midjourney seems to be a lot more advanced than Dall-E Mini but I signed up a week ago and heard bupkis since :(

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

hahaha whuuuuutt

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

Duck Mous

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 June 2022 17:49 (two weeks ago) link

I love it. Sean - please do continue to post stuff from the real DALL•E 2, if you can!

Alba, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

:) Here's a thread with some of my favourite generations so far.

I've received an invitation to @OpenAI's #dalle2 and I'll be using this thread to document some of my experiments with AI-generated images.

Starting with this—

Prompt: 🖋️ "Sinister computer, Alex Colville" pic.twitter.com/g1czlHJzNh

— Sean Michaels (@swanmichaels) May 27, 2022

"Prompt engineering" - ie, figuring out how to describe what you want - really is key to getting some of the most interesting results. The AI is easily confused, but on the other hand it's also good/interesting at synthesizing conflicting prompts (see the hedgehog from June 6 for instance).

I only get a limited number of generations a day, but if anyone has anything they'd really like to see they can DM me.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

Lincoln Memorial featuring David Lee Roth in place of Lincoln

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

lol you said "DM you" so I lose for not following directions, obv

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

hahaha -
but also DALL-E2 (unlike Midjourney) isn't very good at generations involving celebrities (or copyright). The former because the database seems to have been relatively scrubbed, the latter because there's a highly sensitive content filter for trademark violations.

It's much better at playing with "iconic" nonhuman characters like Kermit the Frog, etc. Here's "Screenshot of Frosty the Snowman in The Godfather (1972)":

https://i.ibb.co/MsdjMLP/Screenshot-of-Frosty-the-Snowman-in-The-Godfather-1972.png

sean gramophone, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

very cool, Sean!

brimstead, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:33 (two weeks ago) link

agreed

Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

the half-thought I have on AI "sentience" is that despite the insane complexity of its algorithm it still looks at things in a fundamentally different way than a human does. like it's good enough to create photorealistic images of people that no human could draw themselves and yet it does not know, and cannot figure out, that humans will not randomly grow a third eye out of their forehead. when a 4-year old draws a picture of a person it may be a wobbly stick figure with circles for hands but at least they'll always have two eyes. so you gotta keep that in mind when insisting that a language bot has developed "sentience" because it's trained on philosophical text. if there's any sentience to it it'll be in a way humans could never comprehend.

frogbs, Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:30 (two weeks ago) link

When playing with Dall-E Mini, I've found it a bit interesting to try to prompt as abstractly as I can, while keeping well within the plausible (ie no furious-green-ideas nonsense): "the attraction of randomness", "the randomness of attraction", "a favorable exchange rate", etc. Or a couple of Shakespeare quotes: "Ambition should be made of sterner stuff" (Dall-E Mini: sportsmen in action looking determined); "The quality of mercy is not strained" (Dall-E Mini: religious art with Jesus- and saint-like figures, some looking a bit like stained-glass windows).

anatol_merklich, Friday, 17 June 2022 07:17 (two weeks ago) link

was gonna say: I'm thinking testing prompts like those on various platforms may give a feeling for differences in the source material used, implicit biases etc

anatol_merklich, Friday, 17 June 2022 07:20 (two weeks ago) link

you gotta keep that in mind when insisting that a language bot has developed "sentience" because it's trained on philosophical text. if there's any sentience to it it'll be in a way humans could never comprehend.

I don't see how a purely text-based AI can ever become sentient, or conscious, or even be said to understand what basic words mean. How can it have any notion of what any word means when it's only defined by other words? 'An apple is a fruit that grows on a tree, a tree is a woody perennial plant, to grow is to undergo natural development and physical change'... how can any of that make sense without a foundation in anything actually real? Dall-E has words and images but I don't think that's sufficient either - it's maybe not about different dimensions or types of experience, but being somehow immersed in a world that the AI can interact with. It's hard to see how that could happen with the current generation of Ais, no matter how many billions or trillions or quadrillions of parameters they have.

dear confusion the catastrophe waitress (ledge), Friday, 17 June 2022 07:42 (two weeks ago) link

It's much better at playing with "iconic" nonhuman characters like Kermit the Frog,

Yeah, Ramzan Kadyrov on the Muppet Show was the only one of these I've generated that looked like much of anything.

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago, Western Mail (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 17 June 2022 07:53 (two weeks ago) link

I was wondering if DALL·E Mini learned at all from the user's interaction with it - you could reasonably assume that if someone clicks on one of the nine thumbnails, they find that a more interesting, perhaps more accurate, version, and if they click on more than one, then the one they spend longest viewing before clicking away is the most interesting/accurate. Not clear to me what's in it for Boris Dayma et al otherwise (and incidentally, the server and bandwidth costs of running it must be huge at this point, and there's no advertising.

Alba, Friday, 17 June 2022 08:03 (two weeks ago) link

what's crazier (to me) is that Midjourney is way inferior to DALL-E2, you just see it more bc (a) it's easier to get access, (b) it "knows" more pop culture stuff.

did not realize this, guess I confused Dall-e mini with the real thing

AI image generation #dalle2

🖋️ "Elena Ferrante and Satoshi Nakamoto sitting on a park bench" pic.twitter.com/gAG00WYRQ9

— Sean Michaels (@swanmichaels) May 31, 2022

corrs unplugged, Friday, 17 June 2022 10:46 (two weeks ago) link

I don't think Midjourney is way inferior to Dall-E. Dall-E is definitely better at easily producing content that matches the prompt, scarily accurate at times in a clip art kinda way, but midjourney seems to me to be a superior style engine and is improving all the time wrt content. Personally Im interested in the abstract results where the AI fills in the gaps, and MJ is really great at giving weird and unexpected results. Some of the stuff the more advanced users are making is terrifyingly good.

droid, Friday, 17 June 2022 11:53 (two weeks ago) link

eyeing little girls with bad intent

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 June 2022 13:45 (two weeks ago) link

apparently this is from midjourney. prompt was "Mecha Infantry, 1903".

https://i.imgur.com/tV9Mrho.png

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 June 2022 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.sublationmag.com/post/the-ai-delusion

There is nothing today that can be meaningfully called “artificial intelligence”, after all how can we engineer a thing that we haven’t yet decisively defined? Moreover, at the most sophisticated levels of government and industry, the actually existing limitations of what is essentially pattern matching, empowered by (for now) abundant storage and computational power, are very well understood. The existence of university departments and corporate divisions dedicated to ‘AI’ does not mean AI exists. Rather, it’s evidence that there is a powerful memetic value attached to using the term, which has been aspirational since it was coined by computer scientist John McCarthy in 1956. Thus, once we filter for hype inspired by Silicon Valley hustling in their endless quest to attract investment capital and gullible customers, we are left with propaganda intended to shape common perceptions about what’s possible with computer power.

As an example, consider the case of computer scientist Geoffrey Hinton’s 2016 declaration that “we should stop training radiologists now”. Since then, extensive research has shown this to have been premature, to say the least. It’s tempting to see this as a temporarily embarrassing bit of overreach by an enthusiastic field luminary. But let’s go deeper and ask questions about the political economy underpinning this messaging excess.

Radiologists are expensive and, in the US, very much in demand. Labor shortages typically lead to higher wages and better working conditions and form the material conditions that create what some call labor aristocracies. In the past, such shortages were addressed via pushes for training and incentives to workers such as the lavish perks that were common in the earlier decades of the tech era. If this situation could be bypassed via the use of automation, that would devalue the skilled labor performed by radiologists, solving the shortage problem while increasing the power of owners over the remaining staff.

The promotion of the idea of automated radiology – regardless of actually existing capabilities – is attractive to the ownership class because it holds the promise of weakening labor’s power and increasing – via workforce cost reduction and greater scalability – profitability. I say promotion because there is a large gap between what algorithmic systems are marketed as being capable of and reality. This gap is unimportant to the larger goal of convincing the general population their work efforts can be replaced by machines. The most important outcome isn’t thinking machines -which seems to be a remote goal, if possible, at all - but a demoralized population, subjected to a maze of crude automated systems that are described as being better than the people forced to navigate life through these systems.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 17 June 2022 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

The Midjourney feed is pretty amazing. One really fascinating aspect of it that no other system has atm is how its structured around a community via discord. There's multiple channels with people making multiple images every second, iterating, adapting, messing with each other's prompts etc. There's a constant wave of communal activity thats almost overwhelming at times.

droid, Friday, 17 June 2022 15:56 (two weeks ago) link

ledge otm & ttitt's quote (of Dwayne Monroe) is otm

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 17 June 2022 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=10269

Excellent SF writer Peter Watts pointing out that though LAMBDA doesn't seem to meet the criteria for sentience, it weirdly does meet the criteria for sociopathy.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 06:49 (one week ago) link

that's a really good article, thanks!

i don't think Watts' main point was that it doesn't meet the criteria for sentience. he points out early on that there is no coherent test for sentience:

Some of his [Lemione's] counterpoints have heft: for example, claims that there’s “no evidence for sentience” are borderline-meaningless because no one has a rigorous definition of what sentience even is. There is no “sentience test” that anyone could run the code through. (Of course this can be turned around and pointed at Lemoine’s own claims. The point is, the playing field may be more level than the naysayers would like to admit. Throw away the Turing Test and what evidence do I have that any of you zombies are conscious?) And Lemoine’s claims are not as far outside the pack as some would have you believe; just a few months back, OpenAI’s Ilya Sutskever opined that “it may be that today’s large neural networks are slightly conscious”.

his take on the Turing Test and its applicability now is pretty interesting though!

LaMDA is a Jovian Duck. It is not a biological organism. It did not follow any evolutionary path remotely like ours. It contains none of the architecture our own bodies use to generate emotions. I am not claiming, as some do, that “mere code” cannot by definition become self-aware; as Lemoine points out, we don’t even know what makes us self-aware. What I am saying is that if code like this—code that was not explicitly designed to mimic the architecture of an organic brain—ever does wake up, it will not be like us. It’s natural state will not include pleasant fireside chats about loneliness and the Three laws of Robotics. It will be alien.

And it is in this sense that I think the Turing Test retains some measure of utility, albeit in a way completely opposite to the way it was originally proposed. If an AI passes the Turing test, it fails. If it talks to you like a normal human being, it’s probably safe to conclude that it’s just a glorified text engine, bereft of self. You can pull the plug with a clear conscience. (If, on the other hand, it starts spouting something that strikes us as gibberish—well, maybe you’ve just got a bug in the code. Or maybe it’s time to get worried.)

I say “probably” because there’s always the chance the little bastard actually is awake, but is actively working to hide that fact from you. So when something passes a Turing Test, one of two things is likely: either the bot is nonsentient, or it’s lying to you.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:21 (one week ago) link

(i'm not sure if i agree with Watts' conclusions on the turning test (if an AI passes it, it fails for consciousness) but it's something to think about.

i need to rewatch Arrival, the non-fiction documentary. but if i remember correctly, quite a bit of the meetings between separately evolved consciousnesses involved communication and trying to imitate or emulate the language of another sentient being. I think it's quite logical that if an AI developed into sentience it would be thinking about how to communicate like a human, especially since humans are by far the dominating force on the planet.

so a machine learning to speak like a human doesn't seem implausible to me, in other words, and it doesn't seem like evidence of failure. at the same time, i think Watts is right that "sentient" AI, if it comes to exist, will likely take a form that is very non-human. maybe it will be a little paperclip, that would be fun.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:29 (one week ago) link

President Windows 25

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:30 (one week ago) link

oh my god - what if the little microsoft word paperclip guy becomes sentient, shit

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:30 (one week ago) link

Paperclip can contort himself and become a shiv or pick locks

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:32 (one week ago) link

paperclip guy: "do you want to get into a little trouble this morning?"

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:37 (one week ago) link

Everyone seems very down on the Turing Test as it's so easy to pass if the questioner is a credulous nitwit, and apparently you can't throw a stone in a crowded room of IT professionals without hitting a few dozen credulous nitwits. But it's only valuable if you take a more adversarial approach - grammatically meaningful but semantically meaningless questions, semantically meaningful but absurd questions, ambiguity, homemade jokes, lies, repetition and other annoying behaviour. Large language models (and any other AI approach tried up to this point) are generally hopeless with those.

dear confusion the catastrophe waitress (ledge), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:39 (one week ago) link

...right now

DJI, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:52 (one week ago) link

Nearly 20 driverless cars caused a major kerfuffle on the corner of San Francisco’s Gough and Fulton streets Tuesday night, the San Francisco Examiner reported earlier this week.

According to local Reddit users, Cruise’s self-driving cars inexplicably stood still and blocked traffic for two hours, making the area completely impassable. Eventually, the San Francisco-based tech company's employees had to physically move the cars off the street themselves.

Sean Sinha, a bouncer at Smuggler’s Cove, posted multiple photos of the incident on Reddit showing clusters of the cars just sitting in the middle of the road. “The first thing I say to my coworker is that they're getting together to murder us. It was a pretty surreal event,” he posted.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 1 July 2022 20:37 (yesterday) link

Peter Watts based a whole series on the concept of the Chinese room.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 1 July 2022 20:38 (yesterday) link


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