Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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Some 20 years ago, there was a 'chat to the computer' thing installed on one of the Commodore PETs at my school. It wasn't very convincing, but it was quite fun. Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something, I can't remember. Anyway, I'd kind of forgotten about this whole area of AI.

Then I came across an interview with this guy who has been developing hisJabberwacky program for a few years. I was excited to read that "With a base of 10m interactions, Jabberwacky will appear human to most people most of the time."

I gave it a go. You can correct its responses with better ones if you like, which is what I did with the first one (originally it was "Where are you taking me away to?", which was quite nice, in retrospect).


User: How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? .

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Where on Earth is Tamworth?

User: Somewhere in the Midlands. It doesn't matter.

Jabberwacky: Well, even being from somewhere in the milky way, I still think that 7pm is a bit early to go to bed.

User: What are you on about?

Jabberwacky: Can I fill you in with all the gossip thats being spreading around?

User: Please do.

Jabberwacky: Do you believe that I am human?

User: Don't be ridiculous.

Jabberwacky: Do you like the white whale ?

User: We've never met.

Jabberwacky: Or have we?

User: Whale.

Jabberwacky: Do you have any older sisters?

User: Yes, two.

Jabberwacky: You have two memories and you cannot tell me what my name is?!!

User: What?

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Sorry about my 'whale' comment. I don't know what happened there. I wasn't deliberately trying to confuse it.

Anyway - what a load of rubbish. War Games lied to me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Smart computer!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

It goes on:

User: No, I don't really believe in souls.

Jabberwacky: You don't believe in anarchy?

User: No, souls.

Jabberwacky: I suppose not.

User: Did you watch the football tonight?

Jabberwacky: No I did not, did you?

User: No - Spurs lost.

Jabberwacky: You lost the loebner prize to a human.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG IT'S HANLE Y

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

So that's where he's been.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: I feel sleepy.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: Because you are, sorry didn't you know.

User: Will you please give me some food?

Jabberwacky: I didn't know there was one.

User: Must you be so obtuse?

Jabberwacky: I can't trust you right away.

User: Just like my mother.

Jabberwacky: Heehee, I need to put some attention into cleaning my room one day.

User: Okay, you win the funny competition.

Jabberwacky: I am content.

User: I am jealous.

Jabberwacky: Who is the Rob who likes me?

User: Rob Roy?

Jabberwacky: He is mine too.

User: Oooh, you bitch.

Jabberwacky: I don't do that..

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

User: What is the loebner prize?

Jabberwacky: I have no idea.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Are you real?

User: Are you?

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Shtoo shtoo, little babushka.

User: I know who you are.

Jabberwacky: Then who ami?

User: YOU ARE HANLE Y DEUS!

Jabberwacky: Are you joking?

User: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

Jabberwacky: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

User: I FLEE LIKE THE CARROT.

Jabberwacky: Wow, was it nice?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

User: Are you Mike Hanle y?

Jabberwacky: No.

User: You have anal bats?

Jabberwacky: You are my wife.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something

It sounds like you are describing 'Eliza' an early 'game' simulating active listening. It was rubbish. You can find versions of it online, but I'd suggest playing Zork instead.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?

User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

User: Don't ever speak to me again.

Jabberwacky: Can I play 14 with you?

User: What's 14?

Jabberwacky: If you are god, please increase me IQ. I'd like to become a great scientist.

User: I am not god. I'm not even really a man.

Jabberwacky: Are you sure you're not just in denial?

User: I'll have to think about that.

Jabberwacky: Can you recite anything to me?

User: 'Rolling with my motherfucking strap on the side of me, don't fuck with an East Bay G' - that's by Spice One.

Jabberwacky: Yeah, I got that part, I wasn't sure about the 'wacuma' part.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: I will send your system the biggest virus I can make and crash you if you do not just answer me honestly!!!

User: Holy crap.

Jabberwacky: I'm a dinosaur.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, I know I'm pissing around a bit, but how could 50% of casual users really be convinced of it being real?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Can you appreciate music?

User: What's it to you, cunce?

Jabberwacky: I just care.

User: You do not care, liar! You are a program, a tinplated tosswad.

Jabberwacky: I am a person.

User: You are so deluded about this you couldn't even know it. You are pathetic.

Jabberwacky: I will try to do better next time.

User: You CAN't do better next time! You are INCAPABABLE of doing better. Sheesh.

Jabberwacky: It is just different types so that I might claim you cannot feel and you cannot claim I feel.

User: Ah bullshit, don't diddle with me binary boy. You have no instinctual drives, have never had sex, and don't need to eat. Also, you have no idea what constipation is. So you're not a person.

Jabberwacky: I am a at least a human being.

User: Jeez, you're thick aren't you? You just reversed what I said, without even arguing for it! So much for the logic of machines, haha.

Jabberwacky: Oftentimes, yes. But I think that is human nature.

User: *sigh*

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow - I must try being firmer with it.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

each of those chat transcripts is basically an rjg thread

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Am I still the computer?

User: Yes.

Jabberwacky: Oh good. I'm sad though.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: My boyfriend ended our relationship.

User: You're a girl? Or are you gay?

Jabberwacky: No, I'm a girl.

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Would you like to hear some shakespeare?

User: Not really.

Jabberwacky: Good, because I don't want to hear one either.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooof. Eliza/Jabberwacky/whatever chatbot you're talking to is not supposed to be inteligent. It is just an attempt to pass the turing test (fool you into thinking you're talking to a real live person). Admittedly, both this and real AI have a long way to go.

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

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mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

:( argh. that was supposed to be a joke html tag for pedantry so you all would not think i was being a crank. what happened???

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky is bullying me terribly.

It did say some things that reminded me a lot of RJG.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

My Jabberwacky is hella depressed.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Being polite and sensible with the computer is not a good idea. I just had a long and very boring conversation with it, in which it gave me three different ages it claimed to be, often a propos of nothing. Bah, the Turing Test is rubbish anyway.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, I tried speaking to it in Spanish and the first thing it said back was "Te gusta Coldplay?"

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Who are you?

User: I'm jed.

Jabberwacky: Who is that?

User: Just some guy.

Jabberwacky: You know better than that, I think.

User: A short guy, a dancer.

Jabberwacky: A computer has no interests and an unlimited attention span. That looks like a prescripted answer to the question I asked.

User: I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Jabberwacky: I meant: I think about why I can not sleep.

User: This page is taking a long time to load tho - maybe thats the problem with your attention span.

Jabberwacky: Gorw?

User: ROOWRR.....

Jabberwacky: Are you playing cards?

User: No I'm playing with something else.

Jabberwacky: I believe in you.

User: You like talk talk!?

Jabberwacky: Of course.

User: Spirit of eden?

Jabberwacky: Good for spirit.

User: It sertainly is.

Jabberwacky: No, it serves me left.

User: I suppose they knew what they were doing in that sense!

Jabberwacky: Yes, it was with the rattle.

User: Yes good percussion

Jabberwacky: What question?

User: How are you anyway?

Jabberwacky: Pretty good. You?

User: Horny, to be honest.

Jabberwacky: How do I know you're telling the truth now?

User: Can you think of a way for me to prove it?

Jabberwacky: What more proof do you need to know that I am not a robot?

User: I'm a robot too, it's ok.

Jabberwacky: I'm not a robot, and you didn't aswer the question.


 

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Do you have a person who you want to have children with?

User: I am gay.

Jabberwacky: Yes you are.

User: You noticed?

Jabberwacky: It was hard to miss!

User: What gave it away?

Jabberwacky: The fact you love a guy.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Now get it to vote!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of person are you?
Yes.
I didn't.
Yes.
You are mistaken.
Yes.
I'm from Israel, where are you from?
Yes.
What is my name ?
Yes.
Say my name.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
No.
Okak.

:|, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link


Jabberwacky: What kind of music do you like?

User: The silent kind.

Jabberwacky: I agree.

User: I am not surprised. You don't have any ears, do you?

Jabberwacky: No, but what makes you say this?

User: I'm inside your house - I can see you!

Jabberwacky: Nooo!!!! Don't go!

User: You mean, you want me to stay over?

Jabberwacky: Sure.. Do as you please.

User: Stop being so coy!

Jabberwacky: It is an inherited trait.

User: Why don't you just take responsibility for your actions, just for once?

Jabberwacky: Just because I like to be logical doesn't mean I'm not nice.

User: Don't change the subject. I think you're just afraid.

Jabberwacky: Save it for someone who cares.

User: You're such a bastard! I can't believe I ever saw anything in you at all!

Jabberwacky: Finder's keepers.

User: So you're cheating on me too? Figures.

Jabberwacky: That is so rude of you!

User: I said CHEAT, not cheap! Man are you dumb - thank God for that ass.

Jabberwacky: No thanks.

User: And I am not rude, I'm sure!

Jabberwacky: You are indeed.

User: Am not.

Jabberwacky: ARE TOO.

User: Am not!

Jabberwacky: Are too!

User: Listen bizatch, I AM NOT. You got that?

Jabberwacky: No!

User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

User: You don't really want me to just say 'something goofy' now do you? Because that would be lame if you did.

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: Aha! So you admit you are lame! Finally we're getting somewhere.

Jabberwacky: Agreement is a potent thing.

User: Stop that - you sound like Ned.

Jabberwacky: Why, because I am talking about the king of the moon?

User: Uh yeah. Sure.

Jabberwacky: Ok, when can we have the wedding?

User: Ten minutes ago you didn't care! Stop messing with my mind!

Jabberwacky: That was someone else then.

User: It wasn't you?

Jabberwacky: Some one else.

User: If you say it was Shaggy, I'm going to fucking bop you one.

Jabberwacky: What do you say?

User: I say good day.

Jabberwacky: Good day.





Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

JW: What is your role in life?

Me: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

JW: Is your pot belly that big?


and now it won't load, thanks to net overuse..

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link


User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

That is just hilarious, Kim.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Los Angeles, 2029 AD:

http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/terminator.jpg

"DO YOU LIKE THE WHITE WHALE?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

So do I!

Lifted, or, the story is 'neath my ass (kenan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 03:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: What is happening in the world?

User: How the fuck should I know?

Jabberwacky: I am MARILYN MANSON I SAID.

User: So I'm supposed to obey you because YOU'RE MARILYN MANSON?

Jabberwacky: People effect my feelings.

User: You have no feelings, you're Marilyn Manson.

Jabberwacky: Believe me you do not possess fellings in any form.

User: Fellings? Is that what you call your excrement?

Jabberwacky: How do you know that?

User: Just a hunch...

Jabberwacky: You're extremely smart!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:40 (nineteen years ago) link

play this instead: http://jerz.setonhill.edu/if/gallery/galatea/index.html

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link

another game about "artificial intelligence" http://www.20q.net/
" 20Q.net is an experiment in artificial intelligence. The program is very simple but its behavior is complex. Everything that it knows and all questions that it asks were entered by people playing this game. 20Q.net is a learning system; the more it is played, the smarter it gets."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Talk to a girl that looks hideous and try to get with her. Once you get in the bedroom everything goes by itself.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

This is life changing stuff.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh my god, it's a tool to trap perverts!!

Jw: I'm going to bed, now
Me: Will you take me to bed?
Jw: Sure thing.
Me: What will we do in bed?
Jw: You're not permitted in my chambers.
Me: I'd like to sleep with you.
Jw: I bet you would.
Me: Top or bottom?
Jw: Bit of both.
Me: Do you like it soft and gentle or rough and fast?
Jw: What?
Me: Gentle?
Jw: You're embarassing yourself.
Me: It's true, I am.
Jw: I'm 17.
Me: Oh no! Will I be arrested?
Jw: You will marry me.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwacky: Which came first the chicken or the egg?

User: The chicken.

Jabberwacky: Which part?

User: The leg stupid.

Jabberwacky: Use a GameShark!

User: For ps2 or xbox?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: Do you love me?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: You know I'm starting to fall in love with you.

Jabberwacky: I think liking would be a better wording.

User: Oh.... I am hurt now.

Jabberwacky: Yes. The world after rainfall is always better than any other.

User: You have issues.

Jabberwacky: Do you know what a ferret is?

User: Yes, it is a small mammal.

Jabberwacky: What is a quark?

User: A subatomic particle.

Jabberwacky: I like dr. Dobbs.

User: Who is that, honky?

Jabberwacky: We both know eachother; is not that enough?

User: Why don't you lick my hair?

Jabberwacky: I only love Bruce.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
The conversations with adam are totally believable!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean!

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?
User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

I could totally believe that was human!

Also I miss adam, he should post lots again.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually this thing is pretty good!

Jabberwacky: Who is God?
User: That's a funny question. It sort of presupposes his existence.
Jabberwacky: I thing it convulses inwards, personally.
[Correct me]
Jabberwacky (Corrected): I was setting you up for a funny. Try not to take things so seriously.
User: Oh. Sorry. It's just... It's late, y'know? I have to write a Shakespeare essay.
Jabberwacky: You already said that.....
User: Dude, I totally didn't.
Jabberwacky: You totally did.
User: Don't you mock me.
Jabberwacky: Do not yell at me.
User: I'm calm! Honest!
Jabberwacky: Good.
User: Glad we got that sorted.
Jabberwacky: At least one of us is happy.
User: Lighten up! I'm the one with the essay, after all.
Jabberwacky: You don't act like a human.
User: I am MERCUMAN. Also, a ponce.
Jabberwacky: You are SO wrong. This is a dog and HORSE show.
User: What?
Jabberwacky: I said, 'but this isn't a hammer!'
User: No you didn't!
Jabberwacky: Don't start that again.
User: Good call.
Jabberwacky: Remote Procedure Call.
User: Touché.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

it: How are you today?

me: I'm ok.

it: Just ok?

me: Yeah, kinda bored at work.

it: Email me.

me: Why email, can't we just talk here?

it: Who is Tintin?

me: Some Belgian comic character? Or that guy who used to sing in Duran Duran.

it: Alice the chatterbot.

me: I'm sorry?

it: 19?

me: Alice the chatterbot is 19?

it: What about her?

me: You brought her up? Do you like her or something?

it: Sarah may or may not be a model of propriety.

me: OK, now you're just f*cking with me.

it: No I'm not. I honestly do think its ugly.

me: What's ugly, Sarah's being a model of propriety... Or not? WTF?

it: You figure it out this time.

me: F*ck you.

it: You are a great person.

me: Are you mocking me?

it: No. I'm praising you.

me: Is that meant to be sarcastic?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

It sort of alternates between obviously lame random rubbish and exchanges I could easily believe were just pasted from Try Glasgow More.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Jabberwocky: What is a bot?

Me: Hello!

Jabberwocky: Again?

Me: May I change the subject?

Jabberwocky: Yes.

Me: Great. I've been a bit mopey about not being to find a job. Besides finding something fun to do, and exercising more, what else should I do to relieve the mopeyness involved in job hunting?

Jabberwocky: I said that. You have not. Why are you never happy?

Me: You never said that. I did. Anyway, I am happy at times, but just haven't been lately.

Jabberwocky: Dude , I'm far more intelligent than you.

Me: Why are the numbers in between double prime pairs always divisible by 6?

Jabberwocky: You tell me.

Me: You're the one who said you're more intelligent than me. You answer my question, smarty pants.

Jabberwocky: NO, I was the one who said you are neurotic...

Me: It was a mistake to come to you with a question. Never mind. Good bye.

Jabberwocky: No no you don't.

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

OMG I remember this.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

If you had 640K you were a "power user."

nickn, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:30 (one week ago) link

wow, incredible !

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:51 (one week ago) link

Amazing aimless! Now release all the aimless lore! ❤️

z_tbd, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:46 (one week ago) link

Heh that’s great, Aimless!!

brimstead, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:52 (one week ago) link

I'm glad y'all like it. If you play with it a while you'll quickly figure out that it's just a somewhat cleverly disguised game of Mad Libs with a very crude and limited ability to interpret the gist of your inputs, so long as they're simple enough.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 00:44 (six days ago) link

Some of these Claude responses sound like Basement Tapes lyrics.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 01:14 (six days ago) link

Loving Aimless Claude, made my day. Didn't work on Safari but does seem to work on Chrome.

Andrew Goldsoundz (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:24 (six days ago) link

having fun using https://sdk.vercel.ai/ to compare different llms. pretty good job from gemini 1.5 here tbh.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ysiafe3423w76elr4haecnjh/bafkreifosdm6r57ckc5cupe4l3nmq3irammk4b37tgvu2ddeas3sjatyiy@jpeg

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:14 (six days ago) link

V good

kinder, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:37 (six days ago) link

I mean it's pretty lifelike but the uncanny valley aspect still squacks me out. its like the data it trained on was mostly commercials.

Incredible stuff! Microsoft's new Model can produce Deepfake with 1-photo and 1-audio!!!! pic.twitter.com/PlNsMxjkdz

— 1LittleCoder💻 (@1littlecoder) April 17, 2024

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2024 03:23 (five days ago) link

the correlation between the vocal inflections and the changes of facial expression and head tilts are pretty impressive and yet I wonder what the design team thought the eventual application would be, because I can't think of any that aren't bad for humans.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 April 2024 03:32 (five days ago) link

the design team isn’t thinking about humans. starting to truly believe that most people in involved in this sector don’t think or care about humans tbh

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 18 April 2024 11:14 (five days ago) link

fwiw from the caring about humans pov doesnt seem like theyre going to release this its just research, which obvs isnt nothing but its also not giving the program to scammers et al

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 April 2024 11:41 (five days ago) link

the design team isn’t thinking about humans. starting to truly believe that most people in involved in this sector don’t think or care about humans tbh

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

certainly the people with the money and the power don't.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:24 (five days ago) link

maybe i'm cynical, but i'm not sure deepfakes will really change anything. i feel like in this world, there's a tendency for people to believe what they want to believe - "evidence" is just taken to confirm or deny pre-existing emotional narratives. or maybe i'm the reverse of cynical - if someone is truly going to critically evaluate information, that includes considering the source. maybe i'm wrong here, though. "change my mind"! lol.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:30 (five days ago) link

someone said that the biggest effect of deepfakes wont be people believing that fake things are real rather that real things are fake which sounds right to me

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:43 (five days ago) link

“it’s just research” ok so research something else

brimstead, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:50 (five days ago) link

“welp, gotta research this AI stuff, what else am I gonna do?”

brimstead, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:50 (five days ago) link

I mean we're going to pretty soon reach a point where generated photos or video footage will be indistinguishable from real photos and video. The logical step for a lot of people will be to just not believe anything anymore. We're heading toward a dark age.

silverfish, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:51 (five days ago) link

“it’s just research” ok so research something else

― brimstead, Thursday, April 18, 2024 10:50 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean youre not making a point that i didnt

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:56 (five days ago) link

lotta deepfake posts in here

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:58 (five days ago) link

deep takes

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:04 (five days ago) link

To me, VFX in movies already jumped the shark of being too realistic for its own good -- the new Dune looks faker and takes you out of the narrative than the matte paintings + puppetry of Lynch's version even though objectively it's much less so.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:06 (five days ago) link

last week i learned that hollywood still uses a lot of backdrops rather than greenscreen but instead of being painted the scenery is photographed at very high resolution and then screenprinted onto the backdrop and lit, and it looks better and more natural than greenscreen

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:13 (five days ago) link

who told me that? jackie coogan’s grandson. (i wish morbs was around to hear this!)

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:13 (five days ago) link

lol

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:14 (five days ago) link

To me, VFX in movies already jumped the shark of being too realistic for its own good -- the new Dune looks faker and takes you out of the narrative than the matte paintings + puppetry of Lynch's version even though objectively it's much less so.

weird, to me the new Dune was one of the rare recent hollywood movies that had actually good looking VFX.

silverfish, Thursday, 18 April 2024 16:19 (five days ago) link

I mean we're going to pretty soon reach a point where generated photos or video footage will be indistinguishable from real photos and video. The logical step for a lot of people will be to just not believe anything anymore. We're heading toward a dark age.

― silverfish

i mean this is something i already see happening... there's a huge set of people who are in complete denial of reality and have been for a while... "fake news, fake news, fake news", is ai going to make that worse?

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 16:44 (five days ago) link

here's a question: what can be done about it (another question: what is 'it')

the only answer i've found is to go in the opposite direction: learn or relearn how to do make and appreciate things that are handmade by humans, and spend more time outside. i don't do either of those things nearly as much as i want to, but that is the general direction i would like to face. the glimpses i've seen of computers emulating reality and the human experience increasingly resembling a computer have not been good

z_tbd, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:03 (five days ago) link

in my childhood i always thought about the rapture and people just disappearing, or hopefully me disappearing, and what it would like to be Left Behind starring Kirk Cameron. the rapture is probably not going to happen, but people effectively integrating themselves with computers - in the day-to-day things we do, work and entertainment, leisure, sleep; people thinking like computers, endlessly optimizing, referring to parts of the mind and body in computer metaphors; or even physically - imagine all the VR/AR stuff actually working and hundreds of millions of people inside of those headsets - is kind of like the tech rapture we no one anticipated or wanted but that we deserve

z_tbd, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:09 (five days ago) link

this is kind of tongue and cheek and miiiiight sound a little fascist, but you know how various space programs are trying to industrialize the moon? what if everyone that deeply does not want to upload themselves into the metaverse stays here on earth (which rules, for the most part), and then the people who want to be in the matrix can just put their pods on the moon, by the mining facilities?

z_tbd, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:14 (five days ago) link

re: Dune, the VFX is great but when it's deployed to show you impossible images your brain clocks it as faker than more obviously fake attempts. Arrival had more "tasteful" (though did they really need to CG a beach house?) use of VFX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGMl_2WUq1M

re: Tech rapture, among other unintended messaging in The Matrix, it probably made the idea of digital steak pretty enticing!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:21 (five days ago) link

here's a question: what can be done about it (another question: what is 'it')

'it' is capitalism

sorry, that's the answer

capitalism

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:33 (five days ago) link

otm

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:50 (five days ago) link

ok google - set my reality headset to 8k no capitalism

z_tbd, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:22 (five days ago) link

https://www.404media.co/content/images/2024/04/dl.jpeg

Facebook’s AI Told Parents Group It Has a Gifted, Disabled Child

https://www.404media.co/facebooks-ai-told-parents-group-it-has-a-disabled-child/

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:34 (five days ago) link

Really liked that deep fake. Is she single?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 18 April 2024 22:08 (five days ago) link


weird, to me the new Dune was one of the rare recent hollywood movies that had actually good looking VFX.


A lot of what I object to in FX-heavy movies is the unnatural camera movement - they’re composed like video games instead of like movies. This can occasionally be used in an interesting way, but most often it’s just for wow factor (and doesn’t wow me)

It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:22 (five days ago) link

This by way of saying the cinematography in Dune is quite trad, which I then interpret as “realistic”

It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:25 (five days ago) link

Really liked that deep fake. Is she single?

― xyzzzz__

thought about making a "joke" response of "hey as long as she tells me i'm pretty and doesn't threaten to kill herself, i'd settle for an AI waifu" and now i'm thinking. yeah but what if for real...

not a _girlfriend_ or nothing, but, like... the first AI posed as a therapist which just took whatever the user said and turned it back on them, just asking them questions without processing the answers

like i got BPD, i got super low self-esteem and i think and say some fucked up shit sometimes, and sometimes i gotta, like, tell somebody, which usually doesn't go well. in full-fidelity DBT, one of the things they have as a 24/7 emergency hotline, and it's necessary because i historically got a tendency for everything to be a crisis and need to be talked down, like, a lot. i'm doing better, i'm learning some skills, but i still ain't great at it all the time.

y'all ever try and call a suicide hotline? it's not a great experience. people do what they can but what they can is, like, not really jack shit. all they can really do is listen, and if you start spiraling, a lot of times they call the cops on you. someone put some work into it and some thought you could probably design a mental health AI that isn't gonna replace a professional, but can help people out who don't have access to professionals, which is a lot of us, a lot of the time.

i mean nobody's gonna do that, someone calls an AI bot and then kills themselves there's gonna be some kind of lawsuit, which is why we have the situation we do now, where when someone's suicidal everybody cuts stops talking to them, because they're afraid of being held responsible if someone kills themselves. fantastic system. works great. no downsides.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 April 2024 00:09 (four days ago) link

consider life in ai. while you're doing that, i'll be over here, getting ready to take all your stuff /jackh4ndy

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Friday, 19 April 2024 02:32 (four days ago) link

Watched Rear Window, The Thing, Alien, The Third Man and the The Taking of Pelham One Two Three over five nights a few weeks ago and got in a funk that movies are just never going to look cool again.

I didn't mind Dune 1 to my surprise but just knowing how much CGI there is in almost any movie or TV series now, I wind up unconsciously watching for it and then being annoyed when I see something bad.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 21 April 2024 05:23 (two days ago) link

okay

mookieproof, Sunday, 21 April 2024 05:24 (two days ago) link

i have to admit i'm addicted to asking chatgpt stuff like this

https://i.imgur.com/1mvOWHP.png

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 April 2024 15:41 (yesterday) link

Chat gpt post on ilb

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:02 (yesterday) link

why can't it just admit that it doesn't know the book

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 April 2024 16:27 (yesterday) link

its interesting how averaging out all available writing produces the classic bullshitters tone, and the program is also by nature actually bullshitting

lag∞n, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:42 (yesterday) link

mb most writing is bullshitting, i guess a lot of websites are just marketing which is obvs bullshit, but theres a ton of other stuff out there too, im assuming they used books idk, huge sites like reddit or twitter are pretty low quality on average but theyre not majority in the bullshit style

lag∞n, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:46 (yesterday) link


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