The other thing about the assassination, beyond it exerting a continuing fascination-magnetism in the American psyche, etc., is that it's never one HUNDRED percent easy to dismiss conspiracy theories, because of everything else that it turned out the government really was doing, e.g. COINTELPRO, which is partially on record but still mostly redacted and/or classified. Like, it's a ripe atmosphere for conspiracy theories when you have actual conspiracies going on, and everybody (since the, what, early 70s?) now knows at least the outlines of it.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally. CIA, mafia, they were all off the freaking chain as far as over-extending their reach, and it's not like batshit stuff didn't really happen.
But I agree that the parties involved are no known for their secret-keeping abilities, so single gunman is still the most rational theory that holds any water.
Part of me does love the conspiracy though. Oswald was such a fuckin mook
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM, not to mention the Castro assassination plots the CIA kept from the Warren Commission. Oswald may have acted alone, but he wasn't living in a vacuum.
― bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
I heard some Robert MacNeil-produced radio hour on WNYC last night, and damn it's gonna be quite a week for geezer hagiography!
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link
even redoubtable lib anchors invite experts to gas off about CAMELOT.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link
Let's not give the Goodwins more employment.
um you guys Frontline is doing like 2 hours on Lee Harvey Oswald tomorrow night (I think)!
someone less lazy than me can google for the factual information
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
I understand Arthur Schlesinger is going to be briefly resurrected to do some talk shows.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link
Surely LIFE will publish souvenir editions of Krassner's "The Parts That Were Left Out of the Kennedy Book"
:D
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:12 (ten years ago) link
"Lemme at that throat wound, Lady Bird!"
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:13 (ten years ago) link
ahahah
i still get a kick out of that damn story.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/jfk-warmonger/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:28 (ten years ago) link
^^^ most assuredly do not endorse this dude's views in general or even all of that article but it's kind of nice to see someone stating the obvious in the face of a million sentimental liberals portraying JFK as a closet peacenik who was going to Save Us All. (surely the only thing oliver stone and arthur schlesinger could find to agree on...)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 November 2013 22:31 (ten years ago) link
Was reading about Nellie Connally's recollection of 11/22:
• Sen. Ralph Yarborough yelling at everyone, getting pissy because he had to ride in the same car as LBJ.
• The governor not being told of JFK's death until that Sunday.
• Parkland calming down after everyone's gone back to Washington until Sunday when they bring Oswald in. "You brought the man who shot my husband here?"
Fun weekend, it sounds like.
― pplains, Monday, 18 November 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link
was there ever proven to be anything offically 'fishy' about Nixon flying out of Dallas the same day or was that just, you know, coincidence?
― piscesx, Monday, 18 November 2013 23:59 (ten years ago) link
he had to return a movie
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 00:00 (ten years ago) link
The Oswald assassination bothers me a little bit.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah it bothered Jackie too.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115632/castros-reaction-jfk-assassination
― balls, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 04:40 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DD2KWCimBQ
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 04:48 (ten years ago) link
do any of the books about this talk about how it's weird that zapruder didn't even flinch when the final shot happened? did he have really bad eyesight or something
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link
tripod?
― Aimless, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Sitzman
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
Two recent JFK bits from ye olde Gawker network blogs:
http://io9.com/artist-discovers-unseen-color-photos-of-jfks-final-mom-1465070605
http://gizmodo.com/stabilized-footage-of-the-jfk-assassination-is-unsettli-1465136863
That second one is especially cool but unsettling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfXFkc
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 19:21 (ten years ago) link
least zapruder didn't have an iphone
http://i.imgur.com/fVAcL3K.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
hey, I have a black umbrella with me today, total coincidence.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link
http://observer.com/2013/11/who-killed-jfk-and-why-do-we-want-to-keep-reading-about-him-or-her-or-them-the-enduring-charm-of-kennedy-conspiracy-books/
my friend wrote this, it's great and has an absolutely stupendous opening paragraph
― 乒乓, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
thinking i really missed the boat by not writing a kennedy book to release this quarter
― johnny crunch, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
^^^
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
We're reading echoes. ECHOES.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
slapping together a whole book of "alternate history" to sell to fantasizing olds is so ugh
Skimming the book to see how Mr. Greenfield maneuvers Kennedy through civil rights (a bill dies in Congress in ’64, but Kennedy manages to sign a voting rights act in his second term) and Vietnam (he withdraws U.S. forces)
of course he does
― i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
Known to millions simply by her middle name, Kennedy helped bring the cutting edge of culture into our living rooms during the 1990s through her outrageous segments as an MTV VJ, host of Alternative Nation, and on-the-spot correspondent for MTV News. She interviewed everyone from fame-averse Seattle rock musicians to vapid celebrities and politicians, asking the taboo questions no one else would as she navigated between true artists and phony poseurs. In The Kennedy Chronicles, she gives us a backstage pass at the last golden years of the cable network that defined a generation.
― buzza, Friday, 22 November 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
ya done shot the rong Kennedy
I have zero doubt there was a conspiracy, and the truth is probably as nutty as (but different from) Oliver Stone's.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
Every time i see a picture of him and Jackie in the limo, I think about how he's the one guy who's missed out on all this.
― pplains, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:14 (ten years ago) link
ha this is great:
The morning he was killed, the president turned to his wife and quipped, “You know, we’re heading into nut country.” Oswald, in addition to being too small, was not even the right kind of nut—a poor, self-educated, left-leaning kook who couldn’t hold down a job in a city of rich, white racists who were furious with the president.
― goole, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
always nice to see the right wing counter-ritual of "oswald was a communist" at these times
― goole, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:27 (ten years ago) link
I always remember him as a resident of Texas.
― pplains, Friday, 22 November 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link
also as the guy who mighta gone in this wrecka stowe that morning
http://frontrow.dmagazine.com/2013/11/the-oak-cliff-record-store-that-was-dragged-into-the-jfk-assassination-saga-survives/
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 18:59 (ten years ago) link
wtf that is the second time today someone has made a wrecka stow joke/ref to me
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
Jeez, right-wingers are still doing this?? Even when I was a child and every union member and FDR fan was a " Communist" I didn't even hear that one. I knew he was a communist but also a really angry and anti-social loner. You're missing a lot of history if you avoid Oswald.
One of my favorite anti-communists, Fred Schwarz, blamed Maoism for it. Sounds crazy now.
TV coverage is blessedly conspiracist-free - think of all the people who would be hurt and offended.
― Sweetfrosti (I M Losted), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link
but TV coverage is not pomp or fatuity free, alas
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
hey that's a great article, thanks Morbs xxxp
― sleeve, Friday, 22 November 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
here we go, "new footage"
http://www.thewrap.com/jfk-assassination-new-footage-producer-stephen-bowen-lee-harvey-oswald
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:44 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if pruitt taylor vince and vincent d'onofrio will be in the footage
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 22 November 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link
i used to have arguments with a mate of mine about whether 9/11 was a conspiracy or not. i didnt think it was and he did as he'd recently seen "zeitgeist" and was now all about 9/11 being a conspiracy. then he would ask, "did you think the kennedy assassination was a conspiracy?". id say "yeah i think its likely" and then i was hit with "ahhh well if the US government would do that why wouldnt something like 9/11 be a conspiracy??" GROAN
― subaltern 8 (Michael B), Friday, 22 November 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link
well there actually are precedents for political leaders being killed by conspiracies, there's not really any precedent for a conspiracy as airtight and leak-proof as a government-planned 9/11 would have had to be. oh and plus there is actually no evidence at all that 9/11 was a conspiracy.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 November 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
rip capnlorax
― buzza, Friday, 22 November 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
the lincoln assassination was a conspiracy: booth and five of his friends.
― goole, Friday, 22 November 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link
yes, incl the one who stabbed Seward.
is anyone watchin the CBS News webcast from 11/22/63?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link
I feel like it's been on for 50 years the entire month of November
― Multiple Miggs (dandydonweiner), Friday, 22 November 2013 21:49 (ten years ago) link
Sunday morning w/ Jack Ruby could be innaresting
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 November 2013 21:52 (ten years ago) link
there are some plausible theories that booth had connections to the confederate secret service.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 22 November 2013 21:54 (ten years ago) link