recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

how has the medium changed as a result of Ware's work? Did you see a rash of comics artists using techniques/styles that he specialized in following his appearance on the scene? Are comics now produced in a different way, post-Ware? Is the standard content and narrative structure of comics different, post-Ware?

Don't get me wrong, I like him, but the dude is like the EXACT OPPOSITE of revolutionary, he is completely and utterly devoted to graphic design styles mastered by preior generations.

(also note original post is about his "revolutionary" ART TECHNIQUE not the juxtaposition of said art technique with fairly standard po-mo, self-awarene/ironic narratives)

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Ware's revolutionary quality (if you grant him that) has more to do with how he uses and reconfigures his influences than with anything he ex nihilo invented.

even though much of it can be traced back to that one Richard Mguire piece from volume 2 of RAW.

I was thinking more of Spiegelman's Midget Detective strip in one of those early RAW issues but yeah that too

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(also note original post is about his "revolutionary" ART TECHNIQUE not the juxtaposition of said art technique with fairly standard po-mo, self-awarene/ironic narratives)

Fair enough, though I got what Captain Lorax (or at least McCloud) meant. Still,

he is completely and utterly devoted to graphic design styles mastered by preior generations.

simplifies what the guy does in a *major* way

Here (amazing McGuire piece) and Midget Detective probably had an impact Ware, but his work isn't entirely subordinate to his influences. I'm not the biggest Ware defender, but writing him off as a magpie seems unfair.

OMG ZS that is the best news I've heard in forever, about the second volume of Berlin! That's one of my FAVORITES. I want to read Jar of Fools pretty bad.

I was looking at my issue of a comic book abt the Melvins and Jason Lutes had worked on it. !!!

I know this is cred-free here, but are the 'Lucifer' comics (offshoot of Sandman, but no Gaiman) worth reading? My library has all of them.

Yep, Amazon has it (Berlin, Vol. 2) listed for a Aug. 19th release, for $13.57! I was going to ask about Jar of Fools, too.

**Neophyte Alert**

I just got into the genre not too long ago (see dumb posts above), and so far I've mainly stuck with recommendations and "classics" before I dive into contemporary works in progress. So I'm kinda stoked to finish up Vol. 1, catch up with the newly released Vol. 2, and then read the issues of what will eventually be Vol. 3 as they come out serially. This is a big moment for me.

I've got most of the Berlin issues floating around somewhere, but haven't read them as I want to read the whole thing in one go. Of course, it will take FUCKING YEARS before they're all out. Sigh.

I've read Jar of Fools, but not for a while. The guy can draw like a motherfucker, and JoF was pretty OK, but what I've read of Berlin (I think the first 10 or 12 or so) were really kicking its ass.

Yes, Lucifer is worth reading, Abbott. It is Big, and it's about Lucifer creating a new world free of G_d's influence and hijinks that ensue. It is not nearly as highfalutin' and serious as it might sound but it is still Vertigo.

Love some hijinks!

I can't believe I've been here longer than 10 months

Just so you all know, I don't tell people in other forums about ilx. The people that lurk in other forums I visit occasionally (mmorpg.com), would make ILX turn into ape shit. Who would want ILX to become 4chan for instance? I mean theres a huge difference between a forum being ape shit as opposed to unicorn shit or whatever the hell ILX is.

Wow, I just read The Arrival by Shaun Tan, and I would wholeheartedly recommend it to everyone. The artwork is absolutely beautiful, and though there is no words it would easily translate into a really great movie. As the title suggests, it is about a man who leaves his wife and daughter to find work in a new country. It's obviously influenced by Ellis Island in the late 19th/early 20th century, but with flying ships, balloon postal service, and so on. Alternate universe new country. Very dreamlike. The book excels in recreating that sense of fright, wonder and confusion one encounters upon entering a new culture, with no friends, not knowing the language. Where will he sleep, where will he work? What the HELL is that food? It is awesome.

Also, this would be one of those books that you could read as a child and enjoy, and then 20 years later reread it and enjoy it on another level.

This is from a section where he is trying to figure out how to use the public transportation system. The little creatures are the pets that everyone seems to have.

http://i44.tinypic.com/28in7h2.jpg

The city

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w120/jeffreyquah/thearrivalsplash.jpg

(I'll stop. I'm just excited about being able to recommend something that hasn't been mentioned already here.)

nice picture - reminds me of charcoal drawings that the kids are forced to do at art schools... but with a red color (and probably more talent than most art school kids).

I have most recently acquired: The Frank Book and From Hell. The Frank Book is probably going to end up as a centerpiece for a coffee table one day when I buy a house (no guest actually wants to read a whole book on a coffeetable so I might as well put one with great art and barely any text).

I'm Looking into Ordinary Victories by Manu Larcenet because the art style seems like something I would draw and it's just a majestic type of cartoony art. (I mentioned recently this book recently in I Love Comics - even though I don't read any comics. Just cartoons and graphic novels.) Unfortunately, Ordinary Victories, is probably too skimpy to call a novel. (but there is 4 in the series right now and 2 are translated to English)
http://madinkbeard.com/images/Larcenet1.gif

z_S, i bought the arrival for my bf last year after the cover caught my eye at a bookstore - it really is beautiful.

i'll have to get that

I love the arrival too. been meaning to pick up his new one 'tales from outer suburbia'

My gf just referred this question to me, since I've been reading a decent amount of graphic novels the past year or so, but now I'm passing this on to you all to see if you have any advice:

I'm a magazine editor who needs to solicit an article on graphic
novels-only I'm not overly familiar with the genre and don't have a ton
of time for research. The magazine I work for covers issues related to
war and peace, poverty, and social justice, so I'd like the writer to
focus on new graphic novels (out within the last couple years) that
address these issues. Anyone out there who follows the genre and can
point me in a few directions - or know of good writing on it?

"out within the last couple years" is the difficult part for me, since I've spent the last year mainly trying to get familiar with touchstones that have been out for a long time. So while Maus would be great, it's also a few decades old.

Persepolis seems like a decent recommendation, although it's a few years old now. Anyone else have any ideas?

By the way I ignored all the advice on this thread and recently read Blankets. The description on Amazon made it sound like the story of the agony of growing up in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere with a super-evangelical family. A small part of the story was about that. But he doesn't really rebel against any of that much until the final 1/10 of the story. Up to that point he's like "I can't think about girls or I'll make God angry at me, wahhh". The dialogue is also consistently unrealistic and overblown: "When we were young, my brother and I shared the same bed...and we would often witness sparks of light dancing about the sheets." No wonder Raina dumped you, dude.

Beautifully drawn, I'll give it that. But it's telling that the most enjoyable page in the entire book is the one given over to a recreation of a comic strip that his brother shows him (the one about the guy and the eyebrow fairy, for those that read it). Where is his BROTHER's graphic novel? I'd read that.

bump for advice on the magazine editor's question?

I can't think of anything off the top of my head, as I'm usually a superhero kinda guy, but if you crosspost the question to I Love Comics you might get results. I will let the question marinate though, and if I think of anything will post here.

Joe Sacco's Palestine and Safe Area Gorazde might be good recommendations.

Can't think of anything from the last couple of years, but Howard Cruse's Stuck Rubber Baby would fit what the editor is looking for, as it is a mixture of a coming-out story of a gay man and a history of the civil rights movement in the American South. It's from the 90s though, so not really recent.

Also, Pyongyang by Guy Delisle, Exit Wounds by Rutu Modan.

Thank you for the recommendations, and yeah, I'll cross-post this over at ILC.

Oh, and Alan's War by Emmanuel Guibert.

I guess Jason Lutes' Berlin is pretty recent, as the second book came out only last year. It's quite good, but it isn't finished yet.

Just got the second Hate anthology today, not exactly serious graphic novel stuff, but fun anyway.

I second the recommendation on Exit Wounds, and it definitely is about war and peace (as well as family and romance).

Agreed on exit wounds. I haven't read those Sacco books but I read one or two earlier ones, he's definitely good.

I've never read Joe Sacco, but he's probably your man.

Fun Home by Alison Bechdel is pretty recent too, and I guess the gay/lesbian content makes it kinda political, though it's mostly a family history. More relevant from a LGBT and social rights point of view is her long-running strip Dykes to Watch Out For, which I think is her true masterpiece. I'd recommend that to anyone, besides lesbian history and political commentary it also has plenty of humour and drama and soap opera, so it's quite fun to read. (Fun Home is good too, but it's kinda text-heavy and narratively complex, so it takes some effort to get inside it.)

Sacco's work is excellent. If war reportage is not your thing his But I Like It is a lighter book about touring with a rock band.

I've tried to read Sacco's "journal" comics, but the overtly long text panels always wear me down. They feel more like illustrated reportages than proper comics with good storytelling.

Any graphic novels that you'd recommend for an 11 year old and a 14 year old?

The latter has "V is for Vendetta". The former actually draws in a way that reminds me of Mr Scruff (amazed he hasn't written a book) or Kid Koala (probably too bleak ... also too rare/expensive).

Ta.

Trying to keep to limited runs/single edition trades.

Both younguns:
Noelle Stevenson - Nimona
If they're OK with having a girl protag (lord knows I wouldn't have been at that age), really funny, lovely art, nice story about friendship.

Jeff Smith - Bone
Great adventure story, tails off towards the end but the beginning is magical. And yes, there are single-volume editions available lol.

14YO:
BKV - Runaways
Bright and TUNS of FUNS, there are like 4 volumes (collected into 2 omnibuses)? BUT SO GOOD.

Frank Miller - Batman: Year One
Grim / gritty done right. Exceptionally tight writing.

Alan Moore - Top 10
Also bright and fun, though it does touch on L&O:SVU like subjects, but hell, if they're reading V...

Dan Slott + Ty Templeton - Spider-Man/Human Torch
Bright and funny. Slott's She Hulk is also good, but that spans several volumes.

More if I can remember.

10yo
Grant Morrison - All Star Superman
I’m not a big reader of Supes but this is a beautiful and loving distillation of the character.

14yo
Grant Morrison - We3
My favorite Morrison, about cyborg animals, I don’t remember how violent is is though.

it is super violent!

All-Star Superman is p much perfect though

Yes, plus you get the acronym which anyone that age will love.

Kate Beaton for both

Grant Morisson's Doom Patrol for the 14-year-old

Sfar/Trondheim's "Dungeon Zenith" for both

20th Century Boys for the 14-year-old

Liana Finck's instagram for either

Scalped for the 14 year old (it's like a teenager's idea of an adult book - there are bewbs)

Paper Girls for either

Sic to thread for indies

Also big yes on Top 10 (you might like it too, it's the best)

Oh, and depending on their interest in Marvel lore, the Kieron Gillen 2 x Journey Into Mystery books are very good