Freelance Hivemind: We Are Not Amused

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This is the thread where we moan about the perils of freelance work and suggest pragmatic solutions to common problems.

This is NOT the thread where we embellish fantasies about cutting the tendons of those who take a lackadaisical approach to matters of payment or fair play WITH RUSTY KNIVES.

Play nicely!

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The Rev are demanding more cash from me which I can only assume is for the previous tax year, but why do they want this now as opposed to by January? and why the hell are they charging me interest??? i guess i could call them and ask huh...

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Because they can, times two.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you file self-assessment returns, SteveM? Is the amount more than £1,000? Surely the shortfall can be applied to your 05-06 tax code, can't it? But, otherwise, what Suzy says.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh i do my own returns but this forthcoming one will be the last as i've been employed for a year now. i'm going to pay it off when i get paid this month, then see how much else i'll have to pay when i do the return (fun fun) and hopefully i'll get some back but i doubt it. it's just the timing that's annoying and hard to understand.

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I got some leaflets about this yesterday. So if you ask again in three months or so, I might know.

What do you do, SteveM?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

general journalist moan for me is a familiar one: "I KNOW HOW TO USE COMMAS YOU SUBEDITNG FUCKING SCUM STOP ADDING AND REMOVING THEM"

deep breath.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

if you're now thinking of something to post, don't.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh i do my own returns but this forthcoming one will be the last as i've been employed for a year now.

That's what you think... Self-assessment is for life, bro.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:14 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry I didn't suggest a pragmatic solution at all. mine was definitely a rusty knives thing.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe a pragmatic solution would be to write a piece about the unseen flavouring process of sub-editing.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link

PJ, I am a Designer of web-apps and promotional graphics - fancy :)

Steady Mike, if I may call you that, say it ain't so!

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I ceased to be self-employed in May 2001 and I'm still filling in the forms, Steve. I know it's straightforward thesedays as I don't have dividends or the like to deal with but it still hangs over my summer like a grey, pinstriped cloud. I haven't filed yet for 03-04. Remembering my User ID on the S/A website would be a start.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:35 (nineteen years ago) link

why do you still have to do them? i may be ignorant here but i thought once you're back on a payroll you no longer had to bother?

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, the IR still send me them. I must admit I haven't tried to suggest that they don't bother, maybe it's worth a go? I think I'm legally obliged to complete it as soon as it drops through my letterbox.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's good doing it online actually (you should definitely call them and ask to be reminded of your ser ID or get a new one - maybe then the bureaucratic machinations oiled by the blood of the freelancers will twig that you shouldn't need to do them anymore?) - and the fun part with doing returns is counting how many fields you're not sure whether you should put anything in or not so just leave blank (about 487 last time round i think).

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The first time I did it online (2002, I think) I hadn't got all my shit together from my last year of contracting and spent two hours frantically rummaging through drawers praying that my dial-up connection wouldn't time-out. I hit submit and...got disconnected.

(It worked though.)

Alternate ending:
(I went to prison.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh the first one i did was half empty and i think i told them i had thirteen children. memory hazy tho...

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

ummmmmm... rusty knives.

pfeffernuesse (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I just did my tax return (03/04 version to the max) online and it was great. Today I got confirmation that I'd donated £397 to charity, which was also nice (I did ask them to do this, it wasn't a unilaterally philanthropic decision on the IR's part). So I actually don't have to worry about a tax return for 6 whole months, whoot!

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

why 6 months not 12 months?

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Because in early April next year I'll get all the bumf for my 2004-2005 tax return (although I'll still have 8 months in which to actually do it)

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

the subbing on a piece i have in a mag that published today is horribly subbed, with oddball tabs shoved in the middle of sentences. i know they're overworked and understaffed, but its such an obvious mistake, and i feel that if steve and i can avoid it with a two-man, laid-out-and-editied-in-a-day mag like Loose Lips, an international mag of considerable success should be able to sort it out.

i also wish another editor wasn't so flaky, and that i didn't need the work so badly to tolerate it. i know the guy loves my stuff and that my position at the mag is under no threat, but the fact that i need them more than they need me is being spelt out so clearly here that its pretty dispiriting.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

why not get proper jobs and freelance on the side. it's made me the little bundle of joy i am today.

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

because proper jobs preclude disappearing somewhere at the drop of a hat, require waking up early, etc etc etc...

actually, if i had to take a proper job, i'd have to quit the two regular freelance jobs that guarantee i make rent every month.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been doing that for the last year but finding it harder and harder to find time to pursue and produce the freelance work - guess it's a trade-off with social life and whatnot.

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

because proper jobs preclude disappearing somewhere at the drop of a hat, require waking up early, etc etc etc...

nonsense man. you have obviously not learnt the benefit of describing, in graphic detail, episodes of made-up extreme bowel trauma to to your boss. works every time and they can't get off the phone quick enough, even when you sound like you're obviously in the terminal of jfk airport.

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

What Stelfox said about getting a proper job and freelancing on the side.

The U***t situation continues to be dispiriting and I think they've given up on me altogether - I've had no work from them for two months. I am aware that the ongoing music reviews editor vacancy problem is the probable reason for this, but having had to deal with three different music reviews editors on that mag so far this year - all with their own competing agendas - has proved wearisome. Or else they've recruited someone who doesn't like my writing.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I have seen a new mag called Burn and Fileshare or something, perhaps this is the future. It might be worth a go. I think it's about Walkmans.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Mat Snow's a mountain of shit.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'm not full of hope. has anyone seen this yet?

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't come across it in the shops as yet, but that ghastly puff that Snow did for it in the Independent made me wish for NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST IN THREE MINUTES.

If he could have gone the whole hog and put out a magazine with emoticons and no words altogether then it might have stood up as a White Cube 2 art thing.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone else find the idea of a freelance hivemind troubling? surely as a freelance writer you should actually be thinking and writing your own thoughts. most don't but you know what i'm saying... yeah, i'd like to see a mag that would let you break stuff in the way that it's broiken on blogs etc, not tied to pr and release dates but if that's the case why not read a blog. and as for the not wanting "personality writers" what's the point. blogging (although i donm't do it any more) proved to me that being an opinion-maker is vital to writing and absolutely inevitable if you're any good at this criticism lark anyway. not like i tried to be one but i ended up that way, anyway.

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think people are being asked to share opinions or features ideas, dave, i think suzy started the thread as a location for the disposessed freelance massive to share their woes and offer comisserations and wisdom

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Me: [submits complete rewrite of article]

Editor: [obviously comparing the original version to the original version, somehow] "Paul, I'm pretty disappointed that you would try to send a re-write that has one sentence changed."

Me: "Wait, what do you mean? It's completely rewritten."

Editor: [silence]

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck why Suzy started the thread. We took the ball and ran with it.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

no stevie i'm not saying that suzy meant this thread to be that way but don't you reckon there is something of a genuine freelance hivemind (hate hate hate that word) in operation that's a bit kind of dull?

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

shared woe: the aversion that broadshee/former broadsheet paers have to the word "battyriders". when i finally manage to *not* get it excised from a piece i've written i will buy you all a drink.

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie is correct. This keeps happening.

Hivemind only in the sense of badly focussed rage towards people who say things like:

'We don't have the budget for that'
'We can't pay you for another 30 days'
'We, your bank, are charging you £150 for missing five direct debits which are less than £10 EACH'

Stelfox, maybe they won't let you say battyrider cos you is white innit.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

that's like saying i can't say "brie" coz i'm not french

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

'We don't have the budget for that'
'We can't pay you for another 30 days'
'We, your bank, are charging you £150 for missing five direct debits which are less than £10 EACH'

i wasn't being facetious about the proper job thing. it has its benefits when yr faced with all of these problems. and as much as i'm a miserable bastard most of the time you should have heard me when i didn't have this. i have very accommodating bosses who allow mw, within reason, to go away at the drop of a hat (and work for places i probably contractually shouldn't) coz i'm shit hot at my day job and work really hard, so it's really the best of both worlds for me

stelfox, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Monthly retainers for regular work/consultancies seem to be the way to go to avoid all of that, including proper jobs which I am overqualified for, but you have to get through a bunch of career before you can command the rates.

Actually, a couple of months ago I was up for managing ed of an art mag (not the one which does the art fair) and it was valuable to know that the publisher hadn't paid freelancers for six months. They then asked me to join them in another job, freelance, and fortunately I was able to tell them to swivel (though in that polite way that makes dumb men go 'wait, did she just tell me to swivel?')

I've only had one instance of a magazine going tits-up owing me money and it was an American art title.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

no stevie i'm not saying that suzy meant this thread to be that way but don't you reckon there is something of a genuine freelance hivemind (hate hate hate that word) in operation that's a bit kind of dull?

-- stelfox (...), October 6th, 2004.

Well that's how the music monthlies work, isn't it, even the W**e. They want functional writing for readers who don't bother looking at anything except the star rating. As I have said many times on ILx before, no doubt we're close to a scenario where magazines will have done with words altogether and just print title, artist, track listing, star rating and optional emoticons. Our Readers, we are told, Don't Have Time For All This Arty-Farty Long Review (long meaning > 50 words) Stuff. They Have Busy Lives Trying To Get On Location, Location, Location! So why waste time constructing elegant syntactical curlicues and artful comparisons when (a) "not as good as the last one" will earn you the same money; and (b) all curlicues/artful comparisons will by rote be edited out of your review anyway, as well as, wherever editors espy it, the first person. Call centre criticism.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

and any mention of Caribbean hotpant variants

stelfox, Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Well that's how the music monthlies work, isn't it, even the W**e. They want functional writing for readers who don't bother looking at anything except the star rating.

features-wise, i'd hope that wasn't the case. i certainly haven't seen this at Mojo.

(b) all curlicues/artful comparisons will by rote be edited out of your review anyway, as well as, wherever editors espy it, the first person.

again, i have experienced this, but it certainly isn't the rule at places i work now. NME had this approach, i wonder if they do now? K! has always encouraged a first-person approach, where this works, and have allowed me to write in-depth on the tangential elements of an artist's appeal, because they assume the readers will appreciate this. again, with Mojo, the one big piece I've written for them so far (Mars Volta) gave me free reign to write about *the music*, and the influence of free-jazz, salsa music and afrobeat on the band, in addition to The Story and The Scandal.

Marcello, if this is yr assumption of the entire industry, YOU ARE WRITING FOR THE WRONG PLACES! Life as a Freelancer isn't all being Not Amused, and it'd be wrong if we didn't aslute the places we enjoy writing for as well, because without them this 'job' wouldn't be worth a damn.

Frustrations for me now are more to do with there not being the space to cover everything I want to write about, in the depth I want (but Loose Lips cures most of these, as blogging does for many I guess), or money issues, than feeling creatively frustrated. I certainly feel happier and more confident about my work now, and that's 100% to do with easing myself out of unhealthy work situations and finding places that rewarded me better. Shit or get off the pot, but there are definitely working environments that will leave you with a good sense of well-being, professionally.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

a key part of this, also, is empowering yrself as a Freelancer to expect better, and to deal with frustrating editors in a manner that gives you an upper hand, and doesn't leave you in a diminished position. if you think it really doesn't get any better/worse than where you are, you'll remain immobile, because that's hopeless behaviour.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevie are you trying to persuade me to cross over to Mojo?

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Not specifically (competition innit!) (it would rock if you did tho) just saying that not only can you do BETTER than whatever unfulfilling freelance you're in right now, you *should* be doing better, and you have to accept that before it'll get better... Don't get dispirited, is what i'm saying, because there *is* better out there, and we have to *make* the mags we work at better, from within.

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting...Stevie, I've just emailed you off board.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Need a little bit of advice.

I've started doing some articles for submission to the broadsheets around here, I'm trying to avoid music, more feature style articles.

I guess since it's a while since I finished college I'm keen to just refresh on the basics of cold calling features editors. What are the golden rules here? As I say I'm sure this was drummed into me in college but I forget alot of it.

I mailed one of my completed articles to the features eds of 4 broadsheets here. I got two replies, one said "not appropriate for our paper, no real local angle, not enough real life stories", I sort of disagreed but didn't expect that paper to publish anyway, tho now I wonder if the fact that my story just can't really have a local angle will go against me, or is it just the paper in question.

The other reply said "I found this very interesting, can you tell a little more about your background, and show me some other samples of your work". So I did this, no response yet. But why would they want to know my background, is the article not the important thing?

I haven't recieved any reply from the other two. Not a bad start I thought though, at least things are happening, even two replies isn't bad and one of them was potentially positive.

But I'm just wondering about the best way to handle this kind of thing, is just coming up with ideas and churning out as many articles as I can, then sending them off, a viable route to success/money?

What about the days where you want to work but can't think of an idea and end up scouring the news sites?

I am really keen to make a go of this, I want to leave my current job, but I think it would be stupid until I have succeeded a little.

I know there are lots of good freelancers and smart people here, what do you think?

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm, just saw the article I wanted to write is printed TODAY in the Guardian, by someone far more qualified and well known in the field than me.

Maybe it's best to stick to Irish papers since they can be relied upon to not be very up to date on new and interesting things.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:25 (seventeen years ago) link

that bastard followed me to the Lake District

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah one other thing, finally.

Is there any decent resource that gives info about who does what job in the papers, all in one place?

I've been just calling the newspapers and asking, which is fine, but it would be easier to just have a website or something.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

there is a book.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah that makes sense, thanks alot.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link

there ought to be a website though. obv positions change o'er the year. but it is infuriating how anon they keep themselves. i've had a couple of things published in an american magazine where i just straight pitched the editor -- and they replied. uk eds seem to do this only about 1/4 of the time.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

ronan: try to arrange face-to-face meetings with features editors if possible. hit them with as many ideas as possible, and be willing to take on commissions they might want you to write (although, in the current zero-cash climate, this is unlikely to happen).

just sending in the odd article here and there means you could end up being overlooked. pitching up with a stream of quality ideas and trying to cultivate some kind of relationship with commissioning editors is by far the best idea.

i know it's a truism, but don't give up or be disheartened. the best resource a freelance feature-writer can have is IDEAS.

x-post: er, two-step approach to success here involves 1) ringing up the paper in question and saying: "hello, what's the name and direct line of your features editor?" and 2) ringing them. rocket science, eh? o yeh: don't just rely on e-mail. always make a follow-up call.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 21 August 2006 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you think it's best then to send just one mail with a couple of ideas? And not have the articles done? To sort of attempt to have them say "ok, can you write this article you suggested, here is how many words I want etc". that way seems to make sense since you tailor it for the publication automatically, tho I was writing the articles first, because in a way then I have a better idea of what I'm selling.

perhaps a combination of the two approaches is best.

i'm going to try and keep in contact with the two eds who replied, particularly the one who asked for other examples of my work, and see how that goes.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 August 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

in your case, ronan, you might be best to have finished articles to show them because you're an unknown quantity to them.

need to zoom to work now. will look back in here later. but yes, all yr approaches here seem sound.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 21 August 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus I just got an email back from one of the places I mailed, probably the one I'd most like to be printed in, saying they find it really interesting but want me to change it, with more quotes and a slightly different angle. then "can you do this for 12 tomorrow, let me know".

panic!

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 28 August 2006 09:56 (seventeen years ago) link

do the best you can and send it back to them at 11:30, show you can turn copy around quickly

Ed (dali), Monday, 28 August 2006 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem is, he sort of faintly outlined suggestions for changes, then said "let me know how this seems to you", and I feel unsure as to whether I should say "yes this is great" and proceed, or quickly clarify what he wants a little. with the latter, I'm just afraid of seeming slow on the uptake in my questions, perhaps what he sees as obvious I amn't seeing. though I do generally understand his suggestions, obv this is a bit weird without the topic being known here.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 28 August 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're not sure ring back and chat some more. He's asked you to do it now, so the important thing is doing it to his satisfaction. He's not going to care at all about spending a couple of minutes with you if it means he gets what he wants. Don't say "I don't understand, can you explain again?" – just make contact again like it's the most natural thing in the world to be continuing a dialogue about it.

Well done, by the way.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 28 August 2006 10:17 (seventeen years ago) link

He emailed me, so I guess I'll email back, it's easier to organise my thoughts in print I think.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 28 August 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Good stuff Ro - and when they ask for changes just say 'fine' in a pleasant way and then ask for clarification if needed.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

The only other problem, I've just realised, is that it's a Bank Holiday in the UK so I'm going to have to contact any UK sources tomorrow from 9-12 and get it written up in that time. Makes it difficult to work on it today except this evening with American people I need to speak to.

I basically said in my email "yes I'm keen to make those changes and can do it for tomorrow at midday" then made my suggestions for what my idea of those changes was, he was quite general, so I said what I specifically planned to include and asked if this was what he wanted.

No reply, it was about an hour and a half ago, so I guess just keep going with my interpretation of what he asked for? Presuming he might not be rooted to the office seat on a Bank Holiday Monday.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
£60 a page? What the fuck is this, a magazine or a fanzine? There better be travel expenses in this one. Teach me to write about things I'm interested in rather than stuff that actually pays well.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

retro gamer?

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Sssssshhhh.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

oh right!

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.squashsa.asn.au/images/Schweppes.gif

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

So.......here I am. It was a pretty severe edit which makes me a bit unhappy, and doesn't inspire me with confidence for future work, but I guess I should just enjoy this. Though....it's hard, some of the sentences at the end kinda stop making sense they're tweaked around and changed so much! Still I suppose editor knows best.

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 14 September 2006 07:53 (seventeen years ago) link

damn, currently on front-page banner

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Just read that on the bus on the way into work - good work Ronan!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 14 September 2006 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Well done! Glad to hear it. I thought it read very well. It's all a bit easier from now on I'd hope!

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 14 September 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, whatever your ed did, the article flowed nicely to someone who hadn't seen orig copy and concomitant 'iceberg issues' and one would think the ed would use you again. Don't sweat it. Good intro etc.

Next step: Ro does an invoice to GNL (and no you don't get extra £££s for the front page stuff). Should get btwn £225-£300.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 14 September 2006 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ronan Fitzgerald examines the potential for abuse! (V cool)

I'm getting my first proper artwork for proper CD released soon. So far it's going pretty well but deadline is imminent and still loads of things to sort out. And I'm too scared to ask them how much they're going to pay me (or I'm going to have to pay them if it all goes tits up). Hoping it will lead to more tho.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 14 September 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Why would you have to pay?

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 14 September 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

if we're doing freelance circle-jerks now, i got 1x review in s1ght and s0und tomorrow, mini-rah.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 14 September 2006 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Sort the money now or welcome to screwsville...

/voice of bitter experience

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it bad form to phone up a guy who once interviewed you for a job, turned you down, and say "Hey, you know that other magazine you write for? The fuck is the phone number of their editor?"?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 14 September 2006 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I quit my job, now I am freelance....I will need to be disciplined I guess. Do you guys give yourself a 9-5? Today is the first day of me not working, officially, but I was DJing till 3 last night and not home till 4, I didn't drink but am finding work today incredibly difficult, I need sleep badly while I'm still sick. What do you do on days like this? I've sort of decided to write up some interviews, something manual and easy, and maybe do other tasks like go to the bank etc...

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok another question, if anyone is reading...

At what point do you go "fuck it" and jettison an article? I spoke to my editor about it a month ago, had been working in my day job a lot, he said he thought it was a good idea and to give it a go, fairly non commital but he was interested.

Down the line I'm not sure it's actually going to work, but I really want to do it and deliver on the idea I had. Am I stupid for thinking it might look bad to just hit him with my other ideas now, which I do think are better. I just bit off a bit more than I could chew with idea 1, and now find myself unable to say what the piece is really about. I probably could finish a 1000 word draft of it but my gut feeling is that it's not really good enough.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

So the boss has been falling a little farther behind in paying me with each issue. She's paying me now for work done in March/April. I think it's time for The Talk.

My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

good luck with The Talk, WmC.

one of my main clients has changed the schedule on me five times in the last two weeks. but I've put up with it because I'm terrified of not being able to pay the bills this month (and also because I'm a spineless weasel).

freelancing is terrifying. nice knowing I'm not helping my creepy old racist boss at my last job buy another Lamborghini, though.

her breath came in short pants (sciolism), Friday, 13 August 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

She got caught up in a big way without having to have The Talk! Paid me for the most recent issue months ahead of expectation.

Freelancers and small business owners who have business credit cards, or anybody who has a credit card that they actually like, I need recommendations: my business card is going to expire in May, and since I declined their most recent Change in Terms (a hike from 9.9% to 20+ on purchases), I expect they'll cancel the card. I think I want to get a card that has a points/miles/rewards program. Anybody have any recommendations?

pixel farmer, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

No recommendations?

pixel farmer, Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

(doh! more appropriate to post here)

I fired a client today! There's so much weight off my shoulders, I actually am floating in space

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

The client is really good at timing paychecks to arrive on Fridays before Monday holidays, knowing that it'll be Tuesday before I can get to the bank.

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Monday, 20 January 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Advertiser, who knows the price for a full page full color ad, asks "what's the price for a full page B&W ad if only the photos are in color?"

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link

double, for having to mix black and white and color in the same ad

j., Friday, 7 August 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link

good answer

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Friday, 7 August 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

I've been working for the same client for 17 years now and thought I couldn't be surprised by anything in this particular industry, but today I'm mindboggled by a feed supplement for show cattle called "Fresh & Feminine."

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

Getting a dozen photos through email but rather than attaching them all to the same mail, each photo has been sent through it's own individual email. I noted in the future to try using zip or multiple attachments.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Also every time I get sent something, I get an email and then a few hours later I get a text and then a I get a phone call all asking if I got the email. Yes I got it. It didn't get lost in the mail.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 August 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

I don't envy the life of the livestock show photographer. They sell a web-resolution image one time and suddenly everybody has it, including people who haven't paid for it and people who want to use it for print even though it's not big enough. Still puts me in a tough spot between the photographer and the advertiser.

My name is Donald J. Trump, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht. (WilliamC), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

Can we talk about the Paycheck Protection Program? I got email from my bank this morning that included this:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, the Treasury Department issued much-anticipated guidance for the Paycheck Protection Program, which starting this week will provide up to $350 billion in fully forgivable loans to help small businesses maintain payrolls during the coronavirus pandemic.

Small businesses and sole proprietorships—generally, those with 500 or fewer employees—may apply for PPP loans with their bank starting on Friday, April 3; independent contractors and self-employed workers can apply starting April 10. PPP loans will be fully forgiven when used for payroll costs, interest on mortgages, rent and utilities, with at least three quarters of the forgiven amount being used for payroll; forgiveness is based on employers maintaining headcount or quickly rehiring and maintaining salary levels.

The phrase "fully forgivable loan" is throwing me. If I wind up qualifying and use the money under their constraints, does that mean it becomes just a free-money grant? I think I read on the Treasury website that I'd have to apply for loan forgiveness and that it's not automatic. But still, this sounds like a lifeline for me (independent contractor).

Miami weisse (WmC), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:29 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

moving from the 'working from home' thread

I've worked from home for almost 19 years. I expect it to all come crashing down around my ears any day now.

― Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:14 AM (two years ago)

lol it kinda did. My client held on through the end of '21 before shuttering, and I billed another client $310 in '22. My tax guy says I can claim to be self employed and claim a loss for four years before I have to start calling myself a bartender instead of a graphic designer and quit claiming internet/phone/WFMU donations as business expenses.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Friday, 10 March 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link


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