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Convince me it isnt a silly adventure novel and that it was worth giving up a great philogy career .

anthony, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hobbit Motherfucker

RickyT, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder what the Dwarves cocks are like

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

^all dwarven women have beards^

This fact scarred me as a child - gimme Legolas anyday

or indeed a LEGOlass

, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I liked that Jenny Turner piece that mark s mentioned in the thread spoke of above by RickyT.

And I've never read the books.

Cryosmurf, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

whos more fuckable ; legolass or elron?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

haha sean bean (= boromir) was on the frank skinner show promo-ing LoTR:
fs (who plainly thinks the book = hippy toss): "So, tell us abt Boromir"
sb: "Well, er, he's good"
fs: "You haven't read it, have you!"
[interview shifts into zne where fs embarrasses sb into talking rubbish about dwarves]

mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

That's Boromir in a nutshell, innit? Nice on the casting. Maybe I should see. Though no CG will ever = the REAL Balrog. etc etc

After seeing the trailer, I am getting nervous. Not about the execution of the film, which looks pretty good, but I am realizing that the PRONUNCIATION of all those odd names is inchoate in my head and I like it that way. "Sauron" for instance is wonderfully slippery the way my mind says it. I'm not sure that I want the Webster's versh. And before you all say "well jrrt was a philologist and he had very precise rules about things" it's a bluddy BOOK, but one whose fuzzynesses I treasure. I'm willing to give this up visually but those NAMES, those impossible names...

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Have the bbc radio drama on my phone atm, it's magical. Tracer otm about pronunciation too.

darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:41 (eight years ago) link

Loved the radio version as a kid, we had it in a big box of about twenty cassettes.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:33 (eight years ago) link

i had this weird bbc adaptation of the hobbit when i was a kid, i remember all the pronunciations seemed kind of off ('gan-DALF,' 'gol-LOOM,' etc). otherwise it was pretty awesome.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:36 (eight years ago) link

Yeah the Hobbit and LOTR BBC productions were made with a different team each, I think.

Do very much love the LOTR BBC version for sure. It's a nice blend of classically stage-y radio drama -- lots of overexplaining what the characters are seeing when a visual version wouldn't need it and all -- and good atmosphere and detail. Easily the most accurate adaptation done in terms of the actual book itself. IIRC there was a late fifties adaptation for BBC Radio as well -- wonder what that was like?

There were also American radio versions done of both the Hobbit and LOTR -- The Hobbit was passable but LOTR, ack.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:45 (eight years ago) link

What's killin me is that it's v clear that jackson had the actors take pointers from this, then the cunt goes and writes his own dialogue/scenes.

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:48 (eight years ago) link

what;s killing me is Aragornth lithp come on admit it it's fucken hilarious

failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:00 (eight years ago) link

Im not getting it tbh? Its weird his talkin all country lord like tho

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:01 (eight years ago) link

is this the OG adaptation from the 80s? i swear when i re-listened years later that lisp was all i cd hear

failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:03 (eight years ago) link

Check yr tape heads maybe

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:04 (eight years ago) link

has anyone heard the bbc adaptation of asimov's 'foundation'?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:47 (eight years ago) link

i had the american "the mind's eye" dramatization of the hobbit that aired on npr in 1980, listened to it approx a zillion times

one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 06:15 (eight years ago) link

nv u sonbitch i can hear nothing but lithp now

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:41 (eight years ago) link

soz dude, thought it was obvious

http://valawyersweekly.com/files/2009/12/important-ops-logo.jpg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:45 (eight years ago) link

you've given me a yen to hear it again if that's any consolation, altho this Foundation adaptation sounds pretty cool

http://valawyersweekly.com/files/2009/12/important-ops-logo.jpg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:46 (eight years ago) link

i had the american "the mind's eye" dramatization of the hobbit that aired on npr in 1980, listened to it approx a zillion times

Yeah that was the clusterfuck I mentioned. The elves sounded like they were squeaky toy dolls on helium, except for Elrond, so sounded like an old bloated Santa Claus reject.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:57 (eight years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:58 (eight years ago) link

I don't think Weaving was that bad (he's pretty good at conveying the Elvish holier-than-thou attitude towards the other races), but IMO it wasn't very wise to cast an obviously balding guy to play a character who's supposed to be eternally young.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:02 (eight years ago) link

He was, tho, that bad. He was woeful. He looked like the mekon. He looked like the dudes from mars attacks. He talked like he had challenges. He played it one dimensional frosty headmaster rubbish. Jackson ballsed up every elf, goes without saying, but his treatment of elrond and galadriel are gross incompetencies of the highest order may he shit needles forevermore.

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:06 (eight years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

Arnie or Stallone would have been worse.

not_goodwin, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:10 (eight years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

Trust me. It IS that bad. A little backstory:

It was produced by “The Mind’s Eye” theatre company, who at the time were responsible for numerous adaptations of classic literature for radio. The script, written by Bernard Mayes, was an abridged version of the book. Its eleven hour running time focused significantly on the dialogue, with much of the back history and expositionary narration removed.

The production was very low budget, drawing upon local amateur actors and friends of the producer. There was extensive use of library music and home made sound effects. Due to scheduling issues the cast often recorded their dialogue separately which leads to some somewhat stilted exchanges of dialogue in key scenes. The actors also had to provide multiple voices and their own accents are at times apparent. It is also clear that the production was not driven by a Tolkien scholar. The pronunciation of many names and places is often incorrect and some aspects of the plot have been reduced so excessively it leaves many questions unanswered to those unfamiliar with the story.

Oh and you get Tom Bombadil too. Rather too much.

It's all on YouTube! You've been warned, but if you want to start somewhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTledKaqoJ4

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:14 (eight years ago) link

Oh man, so much love for these adaptations! The LOTR one in particular I've just listened to death since I was a lad. Remember being astonished years after the fact to discover that it was really Bill Nighy playing Sam Gamgee in it.

Peter Woodthorpe (aka Del Boy's dad) as Gollum is absolutely 100% spectacular the whole way through this, he walks the line between creeping villain and pitiful wretch perfectly, makes your skin crawl. And he does it in a way that rarely if ever descends into the kind of comedy space that Serkis' version sometimes ended up occupying. Special mention for Gandalf too - I love Ian Mac, but Michael Hordern is just another level, when he gets angry in this I get chills.

The atmosphere and production throughout is wonderful, I love how frequently they bring the music in, although tbf some of the soprano little-boy opera grates at times (Boromir's prophecy etc). But the circling strings --> staccato stabs --> mournful theme of the main title music haunted my childhood.

Is the BBC Hobbit version mentioned further up-thread the one with Heron Carvic (also briefly of Dick Barton Special Agent) as Gandalf? Guy's voice fascinates me, it's so soft and oily. The music in this is also quite fun, slightly odd little medieval motif that plays at the start and end of each section. And the song that the goblins sing as the dwarves and Bilbo are taken down to Goblin Town used to give me nightmares, honest to god. TERRIFYING!

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:27 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/10826867/Viggo-Mortensen-interview-Peter-Jackson-sacrificed-subtlety-for-CGI.html

“Anybody who says they knew it was going to be the success it was, I don’t think it’s really true,” he says. “They didn’t have an inkling until they showed 20 minutes in Cannes, in May of 2001. They were in a lot of trouble, and Peter had spent a lot. Officially, he could say that he was finished in December 2000 – he’d shot all three films in the trilogy – but really the second and third ones were a mess. It was very sloppy – it just wasn’t done at all. It needed massive reshoots, which we did, year after year. But he would have never been given the extra money to do those if the first one hadn’t been a huge success. The second and third ones would have been straight to video.

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:12 (seven years ago) link

Mortensen thinks – rightly – that The Fellowship of the Ring turned out the best of the three, perhaps largely because it was shot in one go. “It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane. But it’s true that the first script was better organised,” he says. “Also, Peter was always a geek in terms of technology but, once he had the means to do it, and the evolution of the technology really took off, he never looked back. In the first movie, yes, there’s Rivendell, and Mordor, but there’s sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it’s grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:13 (seven years ago) link

Sounds right enough from here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:24 (seven years ago) link

too easy on the clown by far obv but at least he has achieved clarity with time

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:29 (seven years ago) link

Hey, smart enough to recognize a fluke was a fluke. I'm still very fond of the original three films but I'm kinda glad I kept my expectations for the new ones at the level of 'just give me a good Smaug.' Which they did, so.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:34 (seven years ago) link

nb the clown there is jackson, i dig viggo

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:41 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I got that, trust me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:42 (seven years ago) link

Zeal of a convert---from ILB's Speculative etc thread:
I finally read The Lord of the Rings--finally, that is, after putting it down in early high school--thee appointed tyme of maximum susceptibility--upon realizing that I was expected to go epically Questing with a hero who had furry toes. Apparently a lot of detractors don't get past the first forty pages, or the first sentence, about Bilbo's elevetny-first birthday, but the whole point is the pull from light to dark and back again, and the way they get mingled---leaders on all levels, incl. drafted patrol leader Frodo, are subject to temptation, corruption (in the sense of physical and psychic wounds, some of them permanent/recurring--plus of course effects on Middle-earth, "the circles of the world," as mentioned briefly, in an end in one of the Appendices of this 1990s one-vol edition: circles, like the Ring, which must have their own kind of end, limits, be something, some thing, however elusively so, 'til the reader can peer through them, as Tom Bombadil does, and see something beyond. He does it and laughs, it's all nonsense to him, seeing his unchanged turf, but he knows it's real enough to others, with real enough, inescapable consequences for all, even a victorious Quest/Anti-Quest means the Grail/Anti-Grail will both save the world and destroy it, in terms of sucking the magic out of it (no spoiler, Gandalf tells Frodo that right off, when he drafts him for the destruction of the precious, corrupting Ring, cos magic's gone as far as it can go; time for the cycles continue by secular means, and slow down the death spiral, anyway)
One limitation: we're told the significance of most things as they happen---which is better than being swamped by codes, as can happen with Gene Wolfe--but an enjoyable exception is being allowed to ponder the fate of Sauron. I think (aside from his own obsessive psycylcling through Ages) seeing though his stone has intensified his focus on the Ring---stones don't lie, but their views, the contexts they create/intensify, given the viewer's own anxieties, antagonisms, hopes and dreads, have a lasting and sometimes entrapping affect on several characters. So yeah, I disagree with those who claim Tolkien doesn't do psychology--and the effect of the stone is not so far from science fictional concerns (note also the networking of stones).
And when the ship sails, it sails, buddy. Not that it doesn't leave some real nice (and not-at-all nice) stuff behind. "There's a feeling I get/When I look the West." Eh, guess I better go listen to some more of those folk-death-or-doom-metal promos (in recent years, Wino's way ahead of the pack). Also, now I need to check out the ancient albums of Cirith Ungol. But book-wise, should I read more Tolkien, beyond The Hobbit?
PS: search "Tolkien" on The New Yorker site, get lots of good results, especially Auden, Gopnik, and Anthony Lane.

― dow, Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:54 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also the stress of leadership on all levels is a big part of the fateful psychology.

― dow, Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:00 (seven years ago) link

Still awaiting advice on other Tolkien books.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:03 (seven years ago) link

But it’s true that the first script was better organised

To be fair, it was also a simpler story. One party is easier to follow than three parties. But I completely agree that it was the best of the movies.

jmm, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:09 (seven years ago) link

Dow: well that's a lot to unpack! Mark S is the one who I think would lock into your read most readily and would be able to advise, so take what I'm about to say with grains of salt: If you want to read the Silmarillion as the book that some characters in LOTR would read themselves (which is how it's intended) then that'll help. If anything it'll play up the idea of cycles -- Tolkien himself went through some major revisions of Middle-earth as conceit in the last ten years of his life so if anything the final three manuscript collections -- Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels and to a degree The Peoples of Middle Earth -- might be of particular interest, though I'd say you'd want to read them only after having read The Silmarillion first. The Children of Hurin expands one key tale from there in full.

Beyond that: Unfinished Tales has some of my favorite writing of his, especially 'Aldarion and Erendis,' which is as close as he ever got to a domestic drama. And of the many shorter works, Farmer Giles of Ham is a goofy-ass lark, but Smith of Wootton Major and Leaf by Niggle are complementary tales on the same idea of creativity and its worth, the latter story in an explicitly Catholic context.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:38 (seven years ago) link

what Ned said.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:54 (seven years ago) link

Silmarillion = tolkein's Kalevala basically

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:59 (seven years ago) link

Great, thanks so much, guys! All those appendices in the edition I read were helpful too. Extended entries in the online Science Fiction Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia of Fantasy were what convinced me to try again: knowing what would happen just whetted my appetite for seeing how he would manage all that.
My local library has a lot of Tolkien and related material, like the mostly excellent Tales Before Tolkien, in which Douglas Anderson rounds up stories by authors JRR praised, and/or was evidently influenced by, others he might well have read, plus some cool ringers. Will indeed consult with Mark.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:07 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, the appendices were Tolkien's way of getting the then-unpublished Silmarillion material out there a bit, but even then it was only a very swift redaction. Definitely piqued my interest for sure first time through! Anyway, enjoy the further reading!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:15 (seven years ago) link

lots of great arcane lore to enjoy in 'the simarillion' and 'unfinished tales', like about gandalf and the istari etc. wish there were ten times as much

http://s5775.p9.sites.pressdns.com/istari-2/

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:03 (seven years ago) link

Everyone otm nice post dow

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:07 (seven years ago) link

Thanks. Wondering about his recently published version of Beowulf too.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:15 (seven years ago) link

Not quite out yet, I think! A few more weeks? Been meaning to catch up with that and the other translations/scattered efforts that Christopher T. has overseen.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:27 (seven years ago) link

dow otm. reminds me that i started rereading LOTR last year then got distracted by a move, need to get back on that.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 15 May 2014 17:38 (seven years ago) link

.. a series about Aragorn’s life as a Strider would probably rock actually

scanner darkly, Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:00 (eight months ago) link

a videogame as well

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:03 (eight months ago) link

the thing that people don't yet know about aragorn/Strider is that he often travels via a chain that he throws diagonally up and forward, swinging across any obstacle like tarzan or harry pitfall over the alligators

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:04 (eight months ago) link

Isn’t that Bionic Commando!?

epistantophus, Sunday, 16 May 2021 02:08 (eight months ago) link

Nope, it’s my idea!

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 03:05 (eight months ago) link

Listen, I didn’t have a sega genesis!!

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 03:06 (eight months ago) link

i think it should be a Mega Man clone called Dúne Dain.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:30 (eight months ago) link

shit why didn't I go with Dúna Dan

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:31 (eight months ago) link

And here I thought you were making a deep-cut reference to actual NES game Strider.

epistantophus, Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:54 (eight months ago) link

2 towers 2 furious

I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Monday, 24 May 2021 09:22 (seven months ago) link

I know that once you start on the LOTR tumblrs you can spend your life there - but this is lovely

https://prismatic-bell.tumblr.com/post/189586763336/ekjohnston-kyraneko-kittyknowsthings

i mean, honestly it’s amazing the Elves had as many languages and dialects as they did, considering Galadriel (for example) is over seven thousand years old.

english would probably have changed less since Chaucer’s time, if a lot of our cultural leaders from the thirteenth century were still alive and running things.

(and other less couth things)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:58 (seven months ago) link

That's pretty cool, will have to share that.

Another team of Tolkien podcasters -- more well-known than us! -- bagged a pretty good interview with Ralph Bakshi about his film version

https://luke-shelton.com/2021/05/28/tep-32-ralph-bakshi/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2021 20:38 (seven months ago) link

Anyway as for our own podcast, latest episode is live!

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/27

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 14:33 (seven months ago) link

Meanwhile, not inaccurate

Canonically, the Lord of the Rings is a memoir by hobbits, which has several detailed descriptions of meals throughout, so maybe the whole saga is just one of those recipe blogs where they have to tell you a whole epic story before getting to the food.

— Sean Kelly (@StorySlug) June 3, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:30 (seven months ago) link

lol otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:50 (seven months ago) link

this applies a lot to A Song of Ice and Fire (and gets worse with each book with multi page descriptions of various meals)

scanner darkly, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:03 (seven months ago) link

i just purchased the first wheel of time book. i guess i will soon be learning about the cuisine of the time world

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:16 (seven months ago) link

Eat, Love, Destroy The Ring

scanner darkly, Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:07 (seven months ago) link

So, yes, news and a half here:

https://deadline.com/2021/06/lord-of-the-rings-anime-film-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-new-line-1234773024/

A lot to chew over in terms of what this means vis-a-vis future projects, the exact rights split between Amazon and WB, where the MGM purchase might come into play, etc. etc.

But it's a great story to focus on and I'm damn intrigued at what could result. Will note that I do know one of the producers and I have faith in his ability to see it through, so hopefully everyone else is at that level.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:39 (seven months ago) link

The horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the Deep once more!

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 11 June 2021 11:49 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

New episode! Basically, blood and death.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/28

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:27 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

New episode later this week -- meantime, have a read:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/24/soviet-union-tolkien-art-dissidents/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 July 2021 22:41 (five months ago) link

A new episode? Why yes! Eagles eagles eagles.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/29

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:57 (five months ago) link

well, yeah

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 July 2021 16:44 (five months ago) link

look carefully at the background of the image!

Amazon says its (as yet untitled) Lord of the Rings series will make its debut on Sept 2, 2022: pic.twitter.com/AJb9YRBTYX

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) August 2, 2021

They've also shared this first image from the series: pic.twitter.com/9pyvZGiaMg

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) August 2, 2021

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 August 2021 19:38 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I thought this was good, fucken long but early on a good quarter of it is about Bakshi's history, once he gets into the technical shit it's golden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr_rb_pitHk

The Speak Of The Mearns (Jonathan Hellion Mumble), Friday, 20 August 2021 20:48 (five months ago) link

Yeah one of my cohosts posted about this this morning. I was just thinking it would be good to have a 'making-of' book here but efforts like this help flesh it out for sure.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 August 2021 20:56 (five months ago) link

at first i thought that might be the scandalous x-rated tale of tom bombadil

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 August 2021 00:57 (five months ago) link

would watch

scanner darkly, Saturday, 21 August 2021 01:28 (five months ago) link

As it happens, my other cohost did this the other day. (But in truth, the joke was mine.)

Dom Bombadil pic.twitter.com/tg7QN14kb7

— Jared Pechacek (@vandroidhelsing) August 16, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 August 2021 02:24 (five months ago) link

"Who is Dom Bombadil, lady?" "He is." *pause* "He is zaddy."

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 August 2021 02:28 (five months ago) link

would DEFINITELY watch

scanner darkly, Saturday, 21 August 2021 02:50 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Our new episode is up! Gondolin, it falls.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/30

Also currently about halfway through The Nature of Middle-earth. There's quite a bit of math.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 16:18 (four months ago) link

more pictures from Tove Jansson's Hobbit are at https://lithub.com/take-a-look-at-tove-janssons-illustrations-for-a-swedish-edition-of-the-hobbit/

moomin.com says in 2017 "Finnish publisher WSOY has released a new edition of the book in Finnish. The book Hobitti eli Sinne ja takaisin is illustrated by Tove Jansson."

that's not my post, Sunday, 12 September 2021 14:47 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

New episode on Monday. In the meantime, enjoy.

In the Silmarillion Elwing appeared to the mariner Eärendil as a bird and helped him sail to Valinor and petition the Valar to save Middle-Earth.

— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) October 1, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:44 (three months ago) link

the orioles twitter account has been on fire lately

Tracer Hand, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:50 (three months ago) link

So we talked about the new book:

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/31

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2021 15:57 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

It's twenty years of...this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1dU1HZ_73M

Our new episode on said first film will be out shortly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 December 2021 20:51 (one month ago) link

And it is out! Enjoy!

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/33

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2021 16:26 (one month ago) link

was just thinking, not apropos of the 20th anniversary - rather because I am watching the hobbit trilogy for the first time, they will surely do another cinematic adaptation of lord of the rings at some stage. maybe in another 10 or 20 years though?

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 December 2021 17:35 (one month ago) link

Don't see why not, especially if the TV show gets any traction

let's make lunch and listen to five finger death punch (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 December 2021 17:46 (one month ago) link

Maybe a bilbo origin story

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 17 December 2021 18:23 (one month ago) link

The exact state of rights is mysterious, but it seems like Warner Bros is holding on to their option, given the anime in the works that'll be set in Rohan during the time of Helm Hammerhand and is explicitly said to be in continuity with the Jackson films (so likely the same design for Helm's Deep etc.). There's absolutely room for a new version and doing it as a full adaptation via streaming could certainly work, but doubtful that Amazon's going to get the chance any time soon. Again, though, the rights state is ultimately mysterious, since there are four players -- the estate, Middle Earth Enterprises (aka Saul Zaentz's holding company for Hobbit/LOTR rights in specific), WB and Amazon -- and there's no public clarity on who is doing what.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2021 18:23 (one month ago) link

Primes wheel of time adaptation suggests theyre not exactly flinging money around it looks like shit

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 17 December 2021 18:31 (one month ago) link

I do wonder. Well, we'll find out in September.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 December 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

Our new episode out in a few days; in the meantime, this whole thread is gold (he's about three-quarters through it)

1) throwing a guy off a cliff for an execution is metal as hell

2) what the hell is wrong with Idril?? Eöl is the worst dude, he imprisoned and eventually killed her aunt, and she’s still like “oh I don’t like this execution business, we should forgive him, I hate my dad now”

— Max Rebo’s Roadie (@KevKoeser) January 7, 2022

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 January 2022 22:01 (one week ago) link

Bah, that's not the start of the thread:

some holiday break reading pic.twitter.com/R4KpZDoW52

— Max Rebo’s Roadie (@KevKoeser) December 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 January 2022 22:01 (one week ago) link

idril otm, weirdly!!

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Friday, 14 January 2022 22:04 (one week ago) link

Anyway, new episode? Why yes.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/34

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 January 2022 19:51 (three days ago) link


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