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Convince me it isnt a silly adventure novel and that it was worth giving up a great philogy career .

anthony, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hobbit Motherfucker

RickyT, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder what the Dwarves cocks are like

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

^all dwarven women have beards^

This fact scarred me as a child - gimme Legolas anyday

or indeed a LEGOlass

, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked that Jenny Turner piece that mark s mentioned in the thread spoke of above by RickyT.

And I've never read the books.

Cryosmurf, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

whos more fuckable ; legolass or elron?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

haha sean bean (= boromir) was on the frank skinner show promo-ing LoTR:
fs (who plainly thinks the book = hippy toss): "So, tell us abt Boromir"
sb: "Well, er, he's good"
fs: "You haven't read it, have you!"
[interview shifts into zne where fs embarrasses sb into talking rubbish about dwarves]

mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

That's Boromir in a nutshell, innit? Nice on the casting. Maybe I should see. Though no CG will ever = the REAL Balrog. etc etc

After seeing the trailer, I am getting nervous. Not about the execution of the film, which looks pretty good, but I am realizing that the PRONUNCIATION of all those odd names is inchoate in my head and I like it that way. "Sauron" for instance is wonderfully slippery the way my mind says it. I'm not sure that I want the Webster's versh. And before you all say "well jrrt was a philologist and he had very precise rules about things" it's a bluddy BOOK, but one whose fuzzynesses I treasure. I'm willing to give this up visually but those NAMES, those impossible names...

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Have the bbc radio drama on my phone atm, it's magical. Tracer otm about pronunciation too.

darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Loved the radio version as a kid, we had it in a big box of about twenty cassettes.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:33 (seven years ago) link

i had this weird bbc adaptation of the hobbit when i was a kid, i remember all the pronunciations seemed kind of off ('gan-DALF,' 'gol-LOOM,' etc). otherwise it was pretty awesome.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:36 (seven years ago) link

Yeah the Hobbit and LOTR BBC productions were made with a different team each, I think.

Do very much love the LOTR BBC version for sure. It's a nice blend of classically stage-y radio drama -- lots of overexplaining what the characters are seeing when a visual version wouldn't need it and all -- and good atmosphere and detail. Easily the most accurate adaptation done in terms of the actual book itself. IIRC there was a late fifties adaptation for BBC Radio as well -- wonder what that was like?

There were also American radio versions done of both the Hobbit and LOTR -- The Hobbit was passable but LOTR, ack.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:45 (seven years ago) link

What's killin me is that it's v clear that jackson had the actors take pointers from this, then the cunt goes and writes his own dialogue/scenes.

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 00:48 (seven years ago) link

what;s killing me is Aragornth lithp come on admit it it's fucken hilarious

failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:00 (seven years ago) link

Im not getting it tbh? Its weird his talkin all country lord like tho

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:01 (seven years ago) link

is this the OG adaptation from the 80s? i swear when i re-listened years later that lisp was all i cd hear

failed skirty tropes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:03 (seven years ago) link

Check yr tape heads maybe

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:04 (seven years ago) link

has anyone heard the bbc adaptation of asimov's 'foundation'?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 01:47 (seven years ago) link

i had the american "the mind's eye" dramatization of the hobbit that aired on npr in 1980, listened to it approx a zillion times

one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 06:15 (seven years ago) link

nv u sonbitch i can hear nothing but lithp now

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:41 (seven years ago) link

soz dude, thought it was obvious

http://valawyersweekly.com/files/2009/12/important-ops-logo.jpg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:45 (seven years ago) link

you've given me a yen to hear it again if that's any consolation, altho this Foundation adaptation sounds pretty cool

http://valawyersweekly.com/files/2009/12/important-ops-logo.jpg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 10:46 (seven years ago) link

i had the american "the mind's eye" dramatization of the hobbit that aired on npr in 1980, listened to it approx a zillion times

Yeah that was the clusterfuck I mentioned. The elves sounded like they were squeaky toy dolls on helium, except for Elrond, so sounded like an old bloated Santa Claus reject.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:57 (seven years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 11:58 (seven years ago) link

I don't think Weaving was that bad (he's pretty good at conveying the Elvish holier-than-thou attitude towards the other races), but IMO it wasn't very wise to cast an obviously balding guy to play a character who's supposed to be eternally young.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:02 (seven years ago) link

He was, tho, that bad. He was woeful. He looked like the mekon. He looked like the dudes from mars attacks. He talked like he had challenges. He played it one dimensional frosty headmaster rubbish. Jackson ballsed up every elf, goes without saying, but his treatment of elrond and galadriel are gross incompetencies of the highest order may he shit needles forevermore.

darraghmac, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:06 (seven years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

Arnie or Stallone would have been worse.

not_goodwin, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:10 (seven years ago) link

I struggle to imagine a worse elrond than weaving tbrr

Trust me. It IS that bad. A little backstory:

It was produced by “The Mind’s Eye” theatre company, who at the time were responsible for numerous adaptations of classic literature for radio. The script, written by Bernard Mayes, was an abridged version of the book. Its eleven hour running time focused significantly on the dialogue, with much of the back history and expositionary narration removed.

The production was very low budget, drawing upon local amateur actors and friends of the producer. There was extensive use of library music and home made sound effects. Due to scheduling issues the cast often recorded their dialogue separately which leads to some somewhat stilted exchanges of dialogue in key scenes. The actors also had to provide multiple voices and their own accents are at times apparent. It is also clear that the production was not driven by a Tolkien scholar. The pronunciation of many names and places is often incorrect and some aspects of the plot have been reduced so excessively it leaves many questions unanswered to those unfamiliar with the story.

Oh and you get Tom Bombadil too. Rather too much.

It's all on YouTube! You've been warned, but if you want to start somewhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTledKaqoJ4

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 12:14 (seven years ago) link

Oh man, so much love for these adaptations! The LOTR one in particular I've just listened to death since I was a lad. Remember being astonished years after the fact to discover that it was really Bill Nighy playing Sam Gamgee in it.

Peter Woodthorpe (aka Del Boy's dad) as Gollum is absolutely 100% spectacular the whole way through this, he walks the line between creeping villain and pitiful wretch perfectly, makes your skin crawl. And he does it in a way that rarely if ever descends into the kind of comedy space that Serkis' version sometimes ended up occupying. Special mention for Gandalf too - I love Ian Mac, but Michael Hordern is just another level, when he gets angry in this I get chills.

The atmosphere and production throughout is wonderful, I love how frequently they bring the music in, although tbf some of the soprano little-boy opera grates at times (Boromir's prophecy etc). But the circling strings --> staccato stabs --> mournful theme of the main title music haunted my childhood.

Is the BBC Hobbit version mentioned further up-thread the one with Heron Carvic (also briefly of Dick Barton Special Agent) as Gandalf? Guy's voice fascinates me, it's so soft and oily. The music in this is also quite fun, slightly odd little medieval motif that plays at the start and end of each section. And the song that the goblins sing as the dwarves and Bilbo are taken down to Goblin Town used to give me nightmares, honest to god. TERRIFYING!

Third Rate Zoo Keepers With Tenth Rate Minds (Windsor Davies), Wednesday, 14 August 2013 16:27 (seven years ago) link

nine months pass...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/10826867/Viggo-Mortensen-interview-Peter-Jackson-sacrificed-subtlety-for-CGI.html

“Anybody who says they knew it was going to be the success it was, I don’t think it’s really true,” he says. “They didn’t have an inkling until they showed 20 minutes in Cannes, in May of 2001. They were in a lot of trouble, and Peter had spent a lot. Officially, he could say that he was finished in December 2000 – he’d shot all three films in the trilogy – but really the second and third ones were a mess. It was very sloppy – it just wasn’t done at all. It needed massive reshoots, which we did, year after year. But he would have never been given the extra money to do those if the first one hadn’t been a huge success. The second and third ones would have been straight to video.

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:12 (seven years ago) link

Mortensen thinks – rightly – that The Fellowship of the Ring turned out the best of the three, perhaps largely because it was shot in one go. “It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane. But it’s true that the first script was better organised,” he says. “Also, Peter was always a geek in terms of technology but, once he had the means to do it, and the evolution of the technology really took off, he never looked back. In the first movie, yes, there’s Rivendell, and Mordor, but there’s sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it’s grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:13 (seven years ago) link

Sounds right enough from here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:24 (seven years ago) link

too easy on the clown by far obv but at least he has achieved clarity with time

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:29 (seven years ago) link

Hey, smart enough to recognize a fluke was a fluke. I'm still very fond of the original three films but I'm kinda glad I kept my expectations for the new ones at the level of 'just give me a good Smaug.' Which they did, so.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:34 (seven years ago) link

nb the clown there is jackson, i dig viggo

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:41 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I got that, trust me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 11:42 (seven years ago) link

Zeal of a convert---from ILB's Speculative etc thread:
I finally read The Lord of the Rings--finally, that is, after putting it down in early high school--thee appointed tyme of maximum susceptibility--upon realizing that I was expected to go epically Questing with a hero who had furry toes. Apparently a lot of detractors don't get past the first forty pages, or the first sentence, about Bilbo's elevetny-first birthday, but the whole point is the pull from light to dark and back again, and the way they get mingled---leaders on all levels, incl. drafted patrol leader Frodo, are subject to temptation, corruption (in the sense of physical and psychic wounds, some of them permanent/recurring--plus of course effects on Middle-earth, "the circles of the world," as mentioned briefly, in an end in one of the Appendices of this 1990s one-vol edition: circles, like the Ring, which must have their own kind of end, limits, be something, some thing, however elusively so, 'til the reader can peer through them, as Tom Bombadil does, and see something beyond. He does it and laughs, it's all nonsense to him, seeing his unchanged turf, but he knows it's real enough to others, with real enough, inescapable consequences for all, even a victorious Quest/Anti-Quest means the Grail/Anti-Grail will both save the world and destroy it, in terms of sucking the magic out of it (no spoiler, Gandalf tells Frodo that right off, when he drafts him for the destruction of the precious, corrupting Ring, cos magic's gone as far as it can go; time for the cycles continue by secular means, and slow down the death spiral, anyway)
One limitation: we're told the significance of most things as they happen---which is better than being swamped by codes, as can happen with Gene Wolfe--but an enjoyable exception is being allowed to ponder the fate of Sauron. I think (aside from his own obsessive psycylcling through Ages) seeing though his stone has intensified his focus on the Ring---stones don't lie, but their views, the contexts they create/intensify, given the viewer's own anxieties, antagonisms, hopes and dreads, have a lasting and sometimes entrapping affect on several characters. So yeah, I disagree with those who claim Tolkien doesn't do psychology--and the effect of the stone is not so far from science fictional concerns (note also the networking of stones).
And when the ship sails, it sails, buddy. Not that it doesn't leave some real nice (and not-at-all nice) stuff behind. "There's a feeling I get/When I look the West." Eh, guess I better go listen to some more of those folk-death-or-doom-metal promos (in recent years, Wino's way ahead of the pack). Also, now I need to check out the ancient albums of Cirith Ungol. But book-wise, should I read more Tolkien, beyond The Hobbit?
PS: search "Tolkien" on The New Yorker site, get lots of good results, especially Auden, Gopnik, and Anthony Lane.

― dow, Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:54 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also the stress of leadership on all levels is a big part of the fateful psychology.

― dow, Sunday, May 4, 2014 11:05 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:00 (seven years ago) link

Still awaiting advice on other Tolkien books.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:03 (seven years ago) link

But it’s true that the first script was better organised

To be fair, it was also a simpler story. One party is easier to follow than three parties. But I completely agree that it was the best of the movies.

jmm, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:09 (seven years ago) link

Dow: well that's a lot to unpack! Mark S is the one who I think would lock into your read most readily and would be able to advise, so take what I'm about to say with grains of salt: If you want to read the Silmarillion as the book that some characters in LOTR would read themselves (which is how it's intended) then that'll help. If anything it'll play up the idea of cycles -- Tolkien himself went through some major revisions of Middle-earth as conceit in the last ten years of his life so if anything the final three manuscript collections -- Morgoth's Ring, The War of the Jewels and to a degree The Peoples of Middle Earth -- might be of particular interest, though I'd say you'd want to read them only after having read The Silmarillion first. The Children of Hurin expands one key tale from there in full.

Beyond that: Unfinished Tales has some of my favorite writing of his, especially 'Aldarion and Erendis,' which is as close as he ever got to a domestic drama. And of the many shorter works, Farmer Giles of Ham is a goofy-ass lark, but Smith of Wootton Major and Leaf by Niggle are complementary tales on the same idea of creativity and its worth, the latter story in an explicitly Catholic context.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:38 (seven years ago) link

what Ned said.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:54 (seven years ago) link

Silmarillion = tolkein's Kalevala basically

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:59 (seven years ago) link

Great, thanks so much, guys! All those appendices in the edition I read were helpful too. Extended entries in the online Science Fiction Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia of Fantasy were what convinced me to try again: knowing what would happen just whetted my appetite for seeing how he would manage all that.
My local library has a lot of Tolkien and related material, like the mostly excellent Tales Before Tolkien, in which Douglas Anderson rounds up stories by authors JRR praised, and/or was evidently influenced by, others he might well have read, plus some cool ringers. Will indeed consult with Mark.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:07 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, the appendices were Tolkien's way of getting the then-unpublished Silmarillion material out there a bit, but even then it was only a very swift redaction. Definitely piqued my interest for sure first time through! Anyway, enjoy the further reading!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 15:15 (seven years ago) link

lots of great arcane lore to enjoy in 'the simarillion' and 'unfinished tales', like about gandalf and the istari etc. wish there were ten times as much

http://s5775.p9.sites.pressdns.com/istari-2/

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:03 (seven years ago) link

Everyone otm nice post dow

james lipton and his francs (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:07 (seven years ago) link

Thanks. Wondering about his recently published version of Beowulf too.

dow, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:15 (seven years ago) link

Not quite out yet, I think! A few more weeks? Been meaning to catch up with that and the other translations/scattered efforts that Christopher T. has overseen.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:27 (seven years ago) link

dow otm. reminds me that i started rereading LOTR last year then got distracted by a move, need to get back on that.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 15 May 2014 17:38 (seven years ago) link

oh boy! just listened to the Denethor family showcase and working on the Ent one today. :) relevant to my above comments on legend/chronicle/lore: i like your observation that maybe Denethor's attachment to the traditions, politics and details of the office sort of marks him apart from the way others in the universe relate to the past. and so perhaps me reaching for more concrete, graspable history is a bit Denethor-ish, and not really encouraged by the text.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:39 (two months ago) link

Denethor is a civil service

The only other character we see attached to such a position is the guardsman showing ?pippin? around Gondor's barracks

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:46 (two months ago) link

Denethor is also that most overplayed archetype, the cautious governance that has kept the place running in between would-be inspirational leaders actually getting it right as opposed to wrecking the fucking gaff

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:47 (two months ago) link

Big fan of Merry bringing low the enemy's hated, hitherto-invincible captain with a one-in-a-million sword he plundered from a place of great danger and carried south for many miles, preventing Eowyn from being splattered into paste in the process, and then goes up to a dying Theoden and immediately apologises for not doing anything useful while in his service

― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits)

Merry Sue nest pas

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 01:59 (two months ago) link

Just listened to the latest episode of By-The-Bywater, on the scouring of the shire. Cracking ep, one of the best yet!

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 13:40 (two months ago) link

Thanks kindly! We do our best.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:41 (two months ago) link

‘Mortal Kombat’ Star Accuses Amazon’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ of Lacking Asian Actors
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-diversity-1234953348/

dow, Saturday, 15 May 2021 18:23 (two months ago) link

The most recent of the Eruditorum posts makes me think that's probably a good thing...

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 15 May 2021 18:47 (two months ago) link

I finally watched the “Tolkien Edit” of the Hobbit movies, a fan edit that chops the trilogy down into one 4-1/2 hour movie.

It’s decently watchable, if not actually anything like good. About on a par with most of the Marvel movies I’ve seen (which is not high praise). But if you take it as canon, at least it doesn’t taint & stain the original LOTR trilogy the way the theatrically released Hobbit movies did.

Whoever put that together is kind of a hero.

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 15 May 2021 18:49 (two months ago) link

area fan

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 15 May 2021 18:55 (two months ago) link

There are a couple of those Hobbit edits floating around -- I have two, plus a separate one that's just the Dol Guldur arc. One of those edits did a pretty great job of reducing it down to three hours that followed as closely to the original text as allowed and basically did what I felt could have been done at the start, just tell the story in one film. From the moment they announced it as two films I had my doubts and we all knew what happened after that.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 19:09 (two months ago) link

yeah, i’d prefer a single hobbit movie and a dedicated dol guldur movie

scanner darkly, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:10 (two months ago) link

.. but then if LoTR movies came out now in the MCU age we’d also get a dedicated Tom Bombadil movie, so..

scanner darkly, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:12 (two months ago) link

i want to see Lord of the Rings: Paradise, where they all get drunk on the beach and flirt in the pool

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:13 (two months ago) link

featuring tom bombadil, i mean

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:14 (two months ago) link

Tom Bombadil: Love and Thunder

scanner darkly, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:16 (two months ago) link

xxp pretty sure that’s all what’s going on in the Undying Lands, thus why they’re in such a hurry to go sail there at the end

epistantophus, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:36 (two months ago) link

The Lord of the Rings 2: The Scouring of the Shire Part 1

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:41 (two months ago) link

: Genesis

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:41 (two months ago) link

Directors final cut

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 May 2021 22:15 (two months ago) link

The Two Towers 2: Electric Boogaloo

Deicide at Chuck E. Cheese (PBKR), Saturday, 15 May 2021 23:53 (two months ago) link

by 2050, reflecting the continuing evolution of the IP and a need to make clear to younger fans why they should bother watching them, the original Jackson series will have been rebranded "The Scouring of the Shire: Origins"

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 00:03 (two months ago) link

Lord of the Rings: The Snyder Cut

scanner darkly, Sunday, 16 May 2021 00:03 (two months ago) link

Its the ewok crossover will really tear it

flagpost fucking (darraghmac), Sunday, 16 May 2021 00:11 (two months ago) link

The Gondolorian

scanner darkly, Sunday, 16 May 2021 00:58 (two months ago) link

.. a series about Aragorn’s life as a Strider would probably rock actually

scanner darkly, Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:00 (two months ago) link

a videogame as well

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:03 (two months ago) link

the thing that people don't yet know about aragorn/Strider is that he often travels via a chain that he throws diagonally up and forward, swinging across any obstacle like tarzan or harry pitfall over the alligators

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 01:04 (two months ago) link

Isn’t that Bionic Commando!?

epistantophus, Sunday, 16 May 2021 02:08 (two months ago) link

Nope, it’s my idea!

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 03:05 (two months ago) link

Listen, I didn’t have a sega genesis!!

parenthetically yours, (Karl Malone), Sunday, 16 May 2021 03:06 (two months ago) link

i think it should be a Mega Man clone called Dúne Dain.

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:30 (two months ago) link

shit why didn't I go with Dúna Dan

Bobo Honk, real name, no gimmicks (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:31 (two months ago) link

And here I thought you were making a deep-cut reference to actual NES game Strider.

epistantophus, Sunday, 16 May 2021 11:54 (two months ago) link

2 towers 2 furious

I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Monday, 24 May 2021 09:22 (two months ago) link

I know that once you start on the LOTR tumblrs you can spend your life there - but this is lovely

https://prismatic-bell.tumblr.com/post/189586763336/ekjohnston-kyraneko-kittyknowsthings

i mean, honestly it’s amazing the Elves had as many languages and dialects as they did, considering Galadriel (for example) is over seven thousand years old.

english would probably have changed less since Chaucer’s time, if a lot of our cultural leaders from the thirteenth century were still alive and running things.

(and other less couth things)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 May 2021 09:58 (two months ago) link

That's pretty cool, will have to share that.

Another team of Tolkien podcasters -- more well-known than us! -- bagged a pretty good interview with Ralph Bakshi about his film version

https://luke-shelton.com/2021/05/28/tep-32-ralph-bakshi/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 May 2021 20:38 (two months ago) link

Anyway as for our own podcast, latest episode is live!

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/27

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 14:33 (two months ago) link

Meanwhile, not inaccurate

Canonically, the Lord of the Rings is a memoir by hobbits, which has several detailed descriptions of meals throughout, so maybe the whole saga is just one of those recipe blogs where they have to tell you a whole epic story before getting to the food.

— Sean Kelly (@StorySlug) June 3, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 June 2021 16:30 (two months ago) link

lol otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 June 2021 17:50 (two months ago) link

this applies a lot to A Song of Ice and Fire (and gets worse with each book with multi page descriptions of various meals)

scanner darkly, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:03 (two months ago) link

i just purchased the first wheel of time book. i guess i will soon be learning about the cuisine of the time world

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 June 2021 18:16 (two months ago) link

Eat, Love, Destroy The Ring

scanner darkly, Thursday, 3 June 2021 20:07 (two months ago) link

So, yes, news and a half here:

https://deadline.com/2021/06/lord-of-the-rings-anime-film-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-new-line-1234773024/

A lot to chew over in terms of what this means vis-a-vis future projects, the exact rights split between Amazon and WB, where the MGM purchase might come into play, etc. etc.

But it's a great story to focus on and I'm damn intrigued at what could result. Will note that I do know one of the producers and I have faith in his ability to see it through, so hopefully everyone else is at that level.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:39 (one month ago) link

The horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the Deep once more!

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 11 June 2021 11:49 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

New episode! Basically, blood and death.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/28

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:27 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

New episode later this week -- meantime, have a read:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/24/soviet-union-tolkien-art-dissidents/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 July 2021 22:41 (one week ago) link

A new episode? Why yes! Eagles eagles eagles.

https://www.megaphonic.fm/bythebywater/29

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:57 (four days ago) link

well, yeah

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 July 2021 16:44 (four days ago) link

look carefully at the background of the image!

Amazon says its (as yet untitled) Lord of the Rings series will make its debut on Sept 2, 2022: pic.twitter.com/AJb9YRBTYX

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) August 2, 2021

They've also shared this first image from the series: pic.twitter.com/9pyvZGiaMg

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) August 2, 2021

bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Monday, 2 August 2021 19:38 (yesterday) link


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