"Cultural Elite", "Liberal Media" and/or "Hollywood Liberals"

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if you use any of these terms in earnest....PLEASE EXPIRE SOONEST!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link


lauren (laurenp), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

We have a "Liberal Elite" in the UK, apparently. I think it means nice people. But yeah, all those phrases are horrible.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew Bolt to thread, heh heh.

Hayden (Pow, Pow, Pow) (haitch), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I should clarify,....if you use "Liberal Media" as a pejorative. A literally liberal media is a fine thing indeed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 24 September 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "hollywood liberals" is a great term for people who have private jets fly them across the country yet parade around in a Toyota Prius to show how environmentally "concerned" they are.

guydude, Friday, 24 September 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I sorta agree with the last one, but I don't think that's quite how Alex meant it.

ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Friday, 24 September 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't even know if the 'private plane-economic car' thing exists. Is it common? It seems like the sort of thing people guess at- "Driving a Prius? Pretty good huh?" - "Nah, flew in a Private Plane" - "Really?" - "Well, bound to - Hollywood types". How publically available are celebrities travel plans?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 24 September 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Most of the people who use these terms, or at least the ones who came up with them, are conservative elites -- people like David Brooks or the Kristols.

Hurting, Friday, 24 September 2004 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Look, it's a proven fact that the 52 percent of the public who voted for either Al Gore or Ralph Nader in the last election all live on the Upper West Side, except for the ones who are movie stars and live in Hollywood, or the gay ones who live in San Francisco, and they all fly personalized tricked-out troop transport planes to tree-huggy rallies and spend most of their time sipping white wine lattes and speaking French to their undocumented, underpaid gardeners and pool boys. They control the media, duh, because that's how they recruit the next generation (they can't do it by procreating because they're all either gay or have abortions every month).

I don't know why this is so hard for you elitists to admit. Maybe you'd understand it better if I said it in European.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely its more resource efficient to cross the country in a jet plane than in a Prius?

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

not if you put the prius in neutral and head downhill the whole way.

ex-jeremy (x Jeremy), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Today I heard a new one (I have to endure bill o'reilly right after Stern till I turn it off): "elite media"

Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i think that's the name of a porn producer

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

They just use these terms because they aren't allowed to say 'Jews, cosmopolitans and degenerates' any more.

Momus (Momus), Friday, 24 September 2004 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

momus OTM.

(though i've been known to use the term "limousine liberals" to describe fellow travelers that i don't like for whatever reason.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 September 2004 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

add to this little list "trial lawyers" as a right-wing bogeyman, which i for one have ALWAYS found to be wingnut code-speak for "jew lawyers."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 September 2004 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Before someone invokes Godwin's Law on me, I do want to point out that the links between the Nazis and the Bushies are becoming clearer all the time, as this Guardian article explains.

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 25 September 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

If I hear the term "straight-shooter" applied to Bush one more time they might have to put me in the loony bin.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 25 September 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

If he's a straight-shooer, I'm Zorro the Gay Blade.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Librarian Media"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Who would that consist of, Ned?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:14 (nineteen years ago) link

call it "politics-of-envy envy": ppl who aren't victims (particularly) melodramatising themselves as contemptuously mocked outsiders* to pimp off the (apparent) moral power of genuine social outsiderdom

(there is something headwimmingly bizarre abt ppl with considerable media power - like bill o'reilly - constantly denouncing the concept of media power) (hypocrisy is the tax vice pays virtue!!)

in the 19th century the bourgeoisie tended to mimic the aristocracy, even as they ousted them, for maximum political heft: in the 20th century, the rest of the middleclasses began to mimic the poor, to regain the political heft they were losing to a variety of mass social movements

*(there's a left AND a right manifestation of this faux outsiderdom (and i suspect all these phrases mark a dim awareness of - and resentment toward - the inherent contradictions therein)**: the right version is currently in the ascendency in the US, though it also shows many signs of coming to pieces: viz as class differentials in income and social potential are exacerbated, in an era of massive debt and declining economic leeway, the right-populist coalition of rich, middle and poor is under increasing strain)

**presence of contradictions = why the phrases have power but lack sense?

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 08:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn well said, Mark.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(alex yr kid = so cute AND looks like you!!)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 08:57 (nineteen years ago) link

looks like you!

People keep telling me that, but I just don't see it. Thanks, though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 25 September 2004 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link

this kind of talk is ever sillier since the repbulicans have come to control basically all three branches of the u.s. gov. its the preoccupation with "elites" and "liberals", etc. that prevents the average republican on the streetfrom realizing that, hey!, my party controls the government but they still arent doing shit for me. if i were a conservative i would be pretty pissed. where's my ban on abortion? where's my nationalized creationist science curriculum? its all susan sarandon's fault innit.

that being said i wish most famous "creative" people would shut up about politics. not out of censorship or realpolitik, but just self-censorship, like "millions of people are going to hear the words i have to say, maybe i should read a few good books first". may i advise http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0156309203/qid=1096233659/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-1311404-7721731

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Sunday, 26 September 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

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