Judy Blume: Classic or Dud?

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Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't really know the answer to this question, since I've only read Iggie's House. (As a boy, I wasn't really expected to read the stuff about girl sexuality.) But I want to ponder two things:

1. When I was in 4th grade, I helped tally a poll about the student body's favorite authors, and Beverly Cleary edged out Judy Blume, much to my surprise.

2. Does Blume's stuff "hold up" now? I mean, would it strike the modern kid as being hopelessly dated, or rather useful?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Well she certainly broke the barriers back then for kids books, I mean, Enid Blyton never wrote about a penis called Ralph did she?

Mind you her books were filthy enough being full of Dicks and Fanny's...

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Even though some of her stuff was dated when I read it 15 years ago . . . like the old-timey maxi pad belt thingy.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. Her books were more like *friends*. /nerd-alert

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I think classic. I was never that big a fan of hers - only read a couple, I think - but I can see whats great about her. It felt kind of naughty reading her stuff, and it was pretty wholesome at heart.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC!

blume (and paula danziger to a degree) was really pretty dark, especially in blubber and then again, maybe i won't, and there was never much resolution to her stories.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

What did Paula Danziger write? That name's achingly familiar.

Also, who wrote the SUPERFUDGE books? Was that Beverly Cleary?

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

danziger wrote the cat ate my gymsuit, the pistachio prescription, there's a bat in bunk five.. more, but those are the big ones i remember.

i think cleary wrote superfudge (and RAMONA!).

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Paula Danziger alwasy did the book slot on Going Live and such like.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

oh so classic, found myself wanting to reread Starring Sally J. Freedman as Herself just the other day.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

oh and judy blume wrote fudge.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Lauren is thinking of Tony Danza.

Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

M.E. Kerr - Dinky Hocker Shoots Smack. Bow down.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Even though some of her stuff was dated when I read it 15 years ago . . . like the old-timey maxi pad belt thingy.

Yeah, I found that part utterly baffling when I read it in middle school.

Based on Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing alone, I think Judy Blume is classic. But many of her other books are great as well. Blubber was so good at capturing how cruel and sadistic girls can be. She also wrote Superfudge.

Paula Danziger is fantastic too, I was very sad when I found out she passed away earlier this summer.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

teh Fudge books were totally fantastic.. unfortunately none of those Paula Danziger titles sound familiar, and I can't find a complete list of her books online. Oh well. I want to say "The Plant That Ate Dirty Socks." But I don't think so.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

She lives here on Martha's Vineyard, and I've heard she's very mean to the help.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I had heard that she was very dismissive towards people who want to talk about her children's books, but the books are good enough for me to overlook that.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody else read Wifey? A sort of interesting feminist artifact, and also smutty enough to warrant several rereads. (I was 13, I think, when I discovered it squirreled away on my parents' bookshelf -- I was like, hey, Judy Blume, what's this one abou...omigod!)

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Her kids' books are far and away better than her adult books. I tried to read two of them and they just came across as bad Erica Jong. Yeah, the belt thing confused me too. I loved all the Fudge/Peter/Sheila the Great books.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I learned everything I know about girls from Judy Blume. This maybe why I didn't have a girlfriend until junior year of high school.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Who wrote How To Eat Fried Worms? That book was the shit. Also, Bridge To Terabithia.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Bridge to Terabithia broke my 7-year-old heart, I hid under the table and cried for 2 days and my parents were really worried about me.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I respected women too much, so they only "respected" me. Also I was dorky and ugly.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Judy Blume, why couldn't you have written a book for awkward preteen boys?

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy's Life was no help at all.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

/emo

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy's Life was the worst magazine ever.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Then Again, Maybe I Won't was all about boy voyeurism on the next-door neighbot.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I sent in a joke to Boy's Life but they didn't print it:
Q. What is Jaws' favorite movie?
A. Raiders of the Lost Shark

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Katherine Paterson wrote Bridge to Terabithia. It made me weep, too. Thomas Rockwell wrote How to Eat Fried Worms.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I also read lots of Paula Danziger.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"She lives here on Martha's Vineyard, and I've heard she's very mean to the help."

She lives in Florida too. What I think is cool is that she paid for the YA room at the library here on the island so that you can actually read Judy Blume books in the Judy Blume YA Room!! How awesome is that? And all geniuses are mean sometimes, Maria.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Bridge to Terabithia is where emo was born.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy's Life is where hardcore was born.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

B to T. and Jane Eyre. Mr. Rochester is so emo. He even calls himself a half-formed Apollo or somesuch.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Bridge To Terabithia = the most heartbreaking thing ever.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't even remember the plot of B. to T. I just remember it being incredibly sad.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I was given the complete box set with at least six of the books up to and not including Deenie, by my trendy granny, when I was seven, for Christmas. A friend of hers worked for the publisher and had recommended them, friend was in her 60s. Weirdly they came with althistory books with Cesar Chavez and folktales from Africa and Asia, southern hemisphere stuff

Forever went around the 5th grade and was a bit of a gateway drug for VC Andrews. And the general consensus among 6th grade literati was that Wifey sucked; we had all moved on to Carrie. Perverts, the lot of us, eh?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

what a trip down memory lane. my ten-year-old-self would stay up all night and read 5 danziger books at a time.

my friend wrote this

http://www.brokenpencil.com/excerpts/excerpt.php?excerptid=69

on the topic.

scout, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic! The novels are sort of dated (yes, the belt thing [which they have since edited in recent editions STUPID REVISIONIST HISTORY]) as well as Tony's brother in TAMIW having recently died in Vietnam) but I still like them. I think Starring Sally J. Freedman as Herself is one of her best.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

From the woman herself

Yes, Tiger Eyes fans - looks as if filming will happen sometime this fall. Any ideas for casting Davey (16-17) appreciated.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

five years pass...

Spotted this in a bookstore. Can't really decide if this particular attempt to market it towards Kids Today is obnoxious or clever.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/417aglZcY4L._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:03 (six years ago) link

It's a clever concept but they didn't really follow through with it since the title font doesn't look like a text message font.

Immediate Follower (NA), Saturday, 18 June 2016 19:50 (six years ago) link

are you there, god? it's me, harold, with the purple crayon.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:00 (six years ago) link

I would argue not clever because the concept isn't very well executed and also because allusions to texting on the cover of a book written in the '70s is basically a non sequitur.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Sunday, 19 June 2016 02:35 (six years ago) link

Loved these books, but was more of a Cleary dude

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 19 June 2016 03:02 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

there was this one in 2012, which I know nothing about

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1748260/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2018 16:51 (four years ago) link

There was a Fudge tv show/movie back in the '90s, iirc.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:45 (four years ago) link

Forever was done as a TV movie back in the 70s.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, 19 October 2018 17:50 (four years ago) link

Actually reading Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing with my 3/4 class right now.

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2018 18:21 (four years ago) link

The Young Adult literature class I'm assisting with this term just did Forever. They seemed to find it super cringey (which I get, even though I like the novel).

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Friday, 19 October 2018 18:28 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Woo hoo- on the set of the Margaret movie. So exciting! ⁦@Lionsgate#ItsMeMargaret pic.twitter.com/eY4kXXKQx2

— Judy Blume (@judyblume) April 19, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 April 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link

i didnt know they were making a Margaret movie - intetesting!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 02:20 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.nytimes.com/article/best-judy-blume-books.html

mookieproof, Monday, 26 September 2022 04:29 (eight months ago) link

arg i’m paywalled - can someone help a veg out

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 September 2022 04:49 (eight months ago) link

five months pass...

Might also be paywalled but a great read

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/business/media/judy-blume-hollywood.html

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 19:21 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

The Guardian really likes the new "Margaret" movie... kinda want to check it out

Hopefully will lead to film version of Then Again, Maybe I Won't

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 April 2023 18:41 (one month ago) link

Personally I was always weirded out by how excited Margaret and her friends were about getting their periods. I identified much more with the reactions of the characters in Louise Fitzhugh's The Long Secret, where they're all just kind of outraged and depressed about having to do this every month.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 27 April 2023 18:57 (one month ago) link

I don't want to overhype because it really is a very modest film, but the Margaret praise across the board is very much merited

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Thursday, 27 April 2023 19:35 (one month ago) link

I got into the Superfudge books as a kid and started reading all the Blume I could find. Girls snickered at me because they saw me reading Are You There God…. I also read Forever, Blubber, the Ramona books, Shiela the Great. I started really enjoying books with female protagonists. I remember picking out books for the Troll book club and telling my mom what I wanted. There was one about a president’s daughter (Lincoln? I can’t remember) and my mom raised her eyebrow and suggested something else. It made me really self conscious that I had gone too far into liking girly things.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 27 April 2023 19:38 (one month ago) link

Dinky Hocker Shoots Smack! was a good one too (from that era)

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 April 2023 19:43 (one month ago) link

looking forward to the movie
need to watch the Prime documentary too

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 April 2023 20:17 (one month ago) link

I watched that last week. Didn't know a lot about her, although I did Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing as a grade 4-6 novel study a few times. The turtle scene was always a big hit.

clemenza, Thursday, 27 April 2023 21:31 (one month ago) link

xp there was a book called The President's Daughter by Ellen Emerson White that I got from the Scholastic book club. it was actually really good!

Lily Dale, Thursday, 27 April 2023 22:46 (one month ago) link

Scholastic Book club! That brings me back... you could get books for like 65 cents, delivered to class. I think I still have my copy of Elizabeth Enright's Gone-Away Lake that I got through them, probably read it ten times as a kid

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 27 April 2023 23:43 (one month ago) link

Xp no, it wasn’t that. I think it was about an old timey founding father’s kid or something. I had forgotten all about this until today, and now i’m mad at my mom again.

Cow_Art, Friday, 28 April 2023 01:04 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

This is pretty good, just as much a history of YA and a write-up of its politics.

https://thepointmag.com/criticism/the-age-of-adolescence/

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 May 2023 14:28 (two weeks ago) link


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